Telephone calls from off shore are also external communications?
Every call to or from Ireland was 'collected' as the tech of the day allowed.
Your off shore call would have to find someones telco network.
Mail was fair game after Defence of the Realm Act 1914, you had a HOW (home office warrant) for ~MI5. Indian Police Intelligence, SIS, General post office censors i.e. mail was always in play before and after WW1.
How did the security services work before easy global networks and tame commercial junk encryption?
You round up everybody of interest to a concentrated, secure, remote location?
Track their sloppy spies and work back?
You find the enemy locals in neutral countries, befriend and rendition them. The offer of total collaboration is then the only option.
Before the "internet" it was one time pads, radio i.e. real people finding other people. If hi tech nations have bet all on signals intelligence that was their own method to build on.
The rest of the world can work with their culture, diaspora, faith, cult, dual citizens. This was not unexpected or anything new?
The West got lucky as China and the Soviet Union/bloc had to do vast national mil system tests, get into global electronic banking and go digital.
Everyone and their brother always could have understood where cheap POTS, fax, ISDN, adsl, optical on standardized networks would end up. There where enough hints in the free press, academic 'tech' history books, magazines, public court cases from the 1950's on.
The GCHQ found this with their first Intelsat sites at Goonhilly Downs (Morwenstow/GCHQ Bude), in the late 1960's. The UK gov constructed another local receiving station for the spillage and got all the international calls and more. The NSA provided hardware, the UK the land, running costs, staff, all data was shared.
Gating provided realtime like sorting so only select product was kept. The GCHQ found they where working on local and all the commercial satellite calls.
Domestic material under such a system where not a UK legal issue back in the late 1960's, in public print by 1992, why would it be different now?
The kind of hardware failure that keeps gov retained emails clean and safe. Meetings posted to all staff, the need for more equipment, tasks many staff know about, that tasks have been completed, the good reviews, requests for office supplies and everything that can be trusted to a court or search by any entity at anytime.
With some projects you dont use gov networks with backups. With some projects you use federal gov cleared.com email accounts via contractors for the duration of a task.
I would say massively smart. A wider selection of the US public now understand how files, projects and details can be consistently hidden from oversight, FIOA, courts, the press and whistleblowers for generations.
With small sets of compartmentalized computers and networks, nothing can be found with any form of system wide 'networked' search.
This keeps projects safe from all US courts, the press with friends on the inside, political parties with friends on the inside, cults, dual citizens helping spies via US front companies or any other group been observed.
A computer at a desk used by one person without the usual network backups can keep an ongoing project a bit more secure from a cleared network wide search.
Past events showed too many trusted/political active courts/bad people can do cleared network wide searches without ever been noticed at the time.
The compartmentalized system as set up is working well, even when detected nothing much is found that seems readable.
Imagine what every other branch of the mil, contractors and gov can work on in the same way without any outside/gov/court issues:)
re AC and the '[1] Can be said of any bloody base station. Did ya know most base stations have ports where you can just plug stuff in and grab whatever data you wanted?"
A telco's tech staff and legal department may want real local court paperwork on one person before they allow access to their complex, over subscribed tower.
Like the app called SpideyApp for Android?
"ACLU + The Guardian Project" http://codesign.mit.edu/2014/0... http://codesign.mit.edu/2014/0...
"An Android-based Stingray detector that uses scan differentials to detect anomalous cell towers."
My guess the local network changes would be a new weak or strong local "tower"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Think of it as a small cell phone tower like kit that is cheap for a state, city and can offer remotely capturing data from mobile telephones.
Drive it into an area of interest and you become a cell phone tower like hardware to surround telco equipment.
In the distant past you would have to talk to the telco for logs or get access to the real telco hardware ie a mil/federal like tech task.
What local law enforcement want is logs like what a cell tower would for voice, messages, telco data (position) over an area.
Every powered phone in that area eg protest event, one person talking to the press, two people meeting face to face but been tracked.
If the phone is in use you get text messages, emails, cell/telco like information, may have an option for voice communications, position.
yes "Stingrays: The Biggest Technological Threat to Cell Phone Privacy You Don't Know About" recalling https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/...
You getting what federal/mil/security services would get over an area via a tame existing telco tower hardware/software at the local state and city level kit.
You might end up on a fusion center list.
You might end up with a chat down by locals under a federal task force.
You might end up with a real federal chat down.
Other parts of the US gov have less insight into their staffs backgrounds might have issues around: crime, other countries, faith based groups, political activism.
Over time the gov staff can be identified, promoted to areas with less access, turned, watched for a larger network of people or dismissed.
Think of the cash flow in the past 10 years. Signals, human intelligence, the diverse layers of US gov agencies, mil that had their own cold war structures, 'votes' ~seats at the table (political access) all getting looked after. The past 10 years have had a huge growth in one agency both in funding, role and politcal/mil power.
Active foreign clandestine signals, mil, gov, human intelligence groups now have to share, be open to or even get given tasks from one new agency.
US gov computer experts has faced many reviews over many years. From politically connected brands getting low quality, expensive software and hardware monopolies, spies, organized crime gangs, cults, dual citizens with a total commitment to their other country getting deep into US gov systems.
The only option is to audit networks and staff from other secure networks that do not show or are part of any internal or external networks.
Small expert US teams ccould then hunt for spies without been seen by other long term spies with with top clerances watching for just such efforts.
Sooner or later such methods of compartmentalization filter down to normal gov use to avoid political/press/legal/or allowing parallel construction.
You can see the same in use of.com vs.gov political emails. The.gov emails will be part of searchable US history over time, the federal.com ones are gone with every election cycle.
The problem with backup tapes is they dont work in the way people think they do after the 1980's. http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/...
"electronically shred more than 5000 e-mail notes in the memory banks of their computer systems, as the Iran-contra scandal breaks."
"Subsequently, investigators from the FBI and the Tower Commission use the backup takes to reconstruct the Iran-contra scandal."
The data on backups would be clean, internal, bureaucratic, everyday office work expected to be fall under court orders, FOIA one day, staff reviews, security audits.
Staff know to keep that side in perfect condition.
The backbones gives you the real time split of all traffic passed - the email headers of all domestic US telcos would be trivial to keep as data.
Recall Room 641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... - domestic, all data is split (mirrored) and sent to another part of the USA for sorting, indexing and then efficient encoding and compression for longterm storage. The corporate pipes are the backbones.
You get the trail of contacts, who was sent what and when. People can then be asked if they have the message they sent or where sent. NSA metadata can fill in a US wide picture over time of what was lost during the "crash". You get a short list of data: time, ip, address, perhaps keywords if the people where of interest to the NSA over a few hops ie like the email header. The new method for the NSA will just to keep everything done on the net (as in text, voiceprint, a webcam image) and just go looking as requested/tasked.
Re ""Educational Standards" proving that if you lower the bar enough, even an idiot can graduate."
With scholarships, testing early and often you can have the best of both worlds. A large pool of average happy students trapped in debt after 5 years of French or The Silmarillion or interpretive dance vs that few percentage who just seem to find real math jobs?
The US only has to ensure support a small pool of elite students who where on scholarships or had wealthy parents to fund them into the very best math and science courses.
Once they have been identified, sorted, supported and found jobs in the military industrial complex - what the rest of the over educated population enjoys is of no further concern.
You don't need that many to run the NSA, CIA, NRO, NGA (Geospatial) and others.
The rest of the consumer hi tech sector can be filled with cheap smart staff from other parts of the world- lower wages, union free and interchangeable.
People looking after the next gen multisensor systems will always be looked after.
The US and UK tried their magic in Iran with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1...'état as Operation Ajax, Operation Boot.
They then let the secret police, domestic security and intelligence service as the SAVAK contain the results of the coup. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...
Over time trying to contain your own population does not work no matter the wealth, outside support or methods:)
Think of it as a digital, legal Berlin wall 2.0. The US legal system will function in open court and a vast illegal domestic telco surveillance network will be examined.
The other option is legal Berlin wall 2.0 falls into place with color of law been used to stop open courts and protect a large amount of the domestic telco surveillance network and its deep gov connections.
The fun part is as cases move up to the highest courts - sooner or later within a generation some cases will have to be allowed or blocked.
The good news is thanks to whistleblowers and open US courts - further open legal work or a hasty color of law block will be very public.
The big fear is that the color of law efforts win and the legal system becomes optional for a vast section of bureaucrats, technocrats and their favored private sector contractors.
Welcome a legal system under a living document or within a banana republic.
As people are slowly understanding its a vast pool of people working on "classified" stuff. Much of it is now "classified" to just stop the press, courts, law reformers, other politically active groups from finding embracing details. From over priced failed projects, crimes and the use of contractors, hidden sites, staff- doctors, lawyers who worked at remote sites. The rapid advancement and political protection of people who faced no real background investigations to the use of dual citizens... to a vast illegal telco surveillance network and the tame brands that helped..
"A hidden world, growing beyond control (July 19, 2010) " http://projects.washingtonpost...
Have we had State secrets yet? Retroactive immunity? Anything distracting under color of law
State secrets privilege https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Rename the projects and methods, hand the databases over to the GCHQ and Canada.
Do an exhaustive, in depth search in the US and find nothing?
Anything distracting around the world?
It gives that 3d depth and color lacking in the real world.
Young people like computer games and respond well to been further educated with computers.
Its part of a complex learning system that has worked/sold well in other countries...
Its part of a complex learning system that will sell well other countries...
Think of the exports, local hi tech jobs.
Stories like this reflect well on Armed Forces when any good news is needed to take away from reports about the UK role in Iraq.
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Telephone calls from off shore are also external communications?
Every call to or from Ireland was 'collected' as the tech of the day allowed.
Your off shore call would have to find someones telco network.
Mail was fair game after Defence of the Realm Act 1914, you had a HOW (home office warrant) for ~MI5. Indian Police Intelligence, SIS, General post office censors i.e. mail was always in play before and after WW1.
How did the security services work before easy global networks and tame commercial junk encryption?
You round up everybody of interest to a concentrated, secure, remote location?
Track their sloppy spies and work back?
You find the enemy locals in neutral countries, befriend and rendition them. The offer of total collaboration is then the only option.
Before the "internet" it was one time pads, radio i.e. real people finding other people. If hi tech nations have bet all on signals intelligence that was their own method to build on.
The rest of the world can work with their culture, diaspora, faith, cult, dual citizens. This was not unexpected or anything new?
The West got lucky as China and the Soviet Union/bloc had to do vast national mil system tests, get into global electronic banking and go digital.
Everyone and their brother always could have understood where cheap POTS, fax, ISDN, adsl, optical on standardized networks would end up. There where enough hints in the free press, academic 'tech' history books, magazines, public court cases from the 1950's on.
Yes the public court news is getting fun too:
"Microsoft challenges US gov’t warrant to access overseas customer data"
http://arstechnica.com/tech-po...
http://www.theguardian.com/tec...
The GCHQ found this with their first Intelsat sites at Goonhilly Downs (Morwenstow/GCHQ Bude), in the late 1960's. The UK gov constructed another local receiving station for the spillage and got all the international calls and more. The NSA provided hardware, the UK the land, running costs, staff, all data was shared.
Gating provided realtime like sorting so only select product was kept. The GCHQ found they where working on local and all the commercial satellite calls.
Domestic material under such a system where not a UK legal issue back in the late 1960's, in public print by 1992, why would it be different now?
The kind of hardware failure that keeps gov retained emails clean and safe. Meetings posted to all staff, the need for more equipment, tasks many staff know about, that tasks have been completed, the good reviews, requests for office supplies and everything that can be trusted to a court or search by any entity at anytime. .com email accounts via contractors for the duration of a task.
With some projects you dont use gov networks with backups. With some projects you use federal gov cleared
I would say massively smart. A wider selection of the US public now understand how files, projects and details can be consistently hidden from oversight, FIOA, courts, the press and whistleblowers for generations. :)
With small sets of compartmentalized computers and networks, nothing can be found with any form of system wide 'networked' search.
This keeps projects safe from all US courts, the press with friends on the inside, political parties with friends on the inside, cults, dual citizens helping spies via US front companies or any other group been observed.
A computer at a desk used by one person without the usual network backups can keep an ongoing project a bit more secure from a cleared network wide search.
Past events showed too many trusted/political active courts/bad people can do cleared network wide searches without ever been noticed at the time.
The compartmentalized system as set up is working well, even when detected nothing much is found that seems readable.
Imagine what every other branch of the mil, contractors and gov can work on in the same way without any outside/gov/court issues
Hi Zynder, Yes I saw that project link a few day ago via https://docs.google.com/presen... :)
Glad I could help you with your research
re AC and the '[1] Can be said of any bloody base station. Did ya know most base stations have ports where you can just plug stuff in and grab whatever data you wanted?"
A telco's tech staff and legal department may want real local court paperwork on one person before they allow access to their complex, over subscribed tower.
It only crashes for the end user, the parts that track the user for advertizing and the US gov have a perfect operational record.
Like the app called SpideyApp for Android?
"ACLU + The Guardian Project"
http://codesign.mit.edu/2014/0...
http://codesign.mit.edu/2014/0...
"An Android-based Stingray detector that uses scan differentials to detect anomalous cell towers."
My guess the local network changes would be a new weak or strong local "tower"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Think of it as a small cell phone tower like kit that is cheap for a state, city and can offer remotely capturing data from mobile telephones.
Drive it into an area of interest and you become a cell phone tower like hardware to surround telco equipment.
In the distant past you would have to talk to the telco for logs or get access to the real telco hardware ie a mil/federal like tech task.
What local law enforcement want is logs like what a cell tower would for voice, messages, telco data (position) over an area.
Every powered phone in that area eg protest event, one person talking to the press, two people meeting face to face but been tracked.
If the phone is in use you get text messages, emails, cell/telco like information, may have an option for voice communications, position.
yes "Stingrays: The Biggest Technological Threat to Cell Phone Privacy You Don't Know About" recalling
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/...
You getting what federal/mil/security services would get over an area via a tame existing telco tower hardware/software at the local state and city level kit.
You might end up on a fusion center list.
You might end up with a chat down by locals under a federal task force.
You might end up with a real federal chat down.
Other parts of the US gov have less insight into their staffs backgrounds might have issues around: crime, other countries, faith based groups, political activism.
Over time the gov staff can be identified, promoted to areas with less access, turned, watched for a larger network of people or dismissed.
Think of the cash flow in the past 10 years. Signals, human intelligence, the diverse layers of US gov agencies, mil that had their own cold war structures, 'votes' ~seats at the table (political access) all getting looked after. The past 10 years have had a huge growth in one agency both in funding, role and politcal/mil power.
Active foreign clandestine signals, mil, gov, human intelligence groups now have to share, be open to or even get given tasks from one new agency.
US gov computer experts has faced many reviews over many years. From politically connected brands getting low quality, expensive software and hardware monopolies, spies, organized crime gangs, cults, dual citizens with a total commitment to their other country getting deep into US gov systems. .com vs .gov political emails. The .gov emails will be part of searchable US history over time, the federal .com ones are gone with every election cycle.
The only option is to audit networks and staff from other secure networks that do not show or are part of any internal or external networks.
Small expert US teams ccould then hunt for spies without been seen by other long term spies with with top clerances watching for just such efforts.
Sooner or later such methods of compartmentalization filter down to normal gov use to avoid political/press/legal/or allowing parallel construction.
You can see the same in use of
The problem with backup tapes is they dont work in the way people think they do after the 1980's.
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/...
"electronically shred more than 5000 e-mail notes in the memory banks of their computer systems, as the Iran-contra scandal breaks."
"Subsequently, investigators from the FBI and the Tower Commission use the backup takes to reconstruct the Iran-contra scandal."
The data on backups would be clean, internal, bureaucratic, everyday office work expected to be fall under court orders, FOIA one day, staff reviews, security audits.
Staff know to keep that side in perfect condition.
The backbones gives you the real time split of all traffic passed - the email headers of all domestic US telcos would be trivial to keep as data.
Recall Room 641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... - domestic, all data is split (mirrored) and sent to another part of the USA for sorting, indexing and then efficient encoding and compression for longterm storage. The corporate pipes are the backbones.
You get the trail of contacts, who was sent what and when. People can then be asked if they have the message they sent or where sent. NSA metadata can fill in a US wide picture over time of what was lost during the "crash". You get a short list of data: time, ip, address, perhaps keywords if the people where of interest to the NSA over a few hops ie like the email header. The new method for the NSA will just to keep everything done on the net (as in text, voiceprint, a webcam image) and just go looking as requested/tasked.
Re ""Educational Standards" proving that if you lower the bar enough, even an idiot can graduate."
With scholarships, testing early and often you can have the best of both worlds. A large pool of average happy students trapped in debt after 5 years of French or The Silmarillion or interpretive dance vs that few percentage who just seem to find real math jobs?
The US only has to ensure support a small pool of elite students who where on scholarships or had wealthy parents to fund them into the very best math and science courses.
Once they have been identified, sorted, supported and found jobs in the military industrial complex - what the rest of the over educated population enjoys is of no further concern.
You don't need that many to run the NSA, CIA, NRO, NGA (Geospatial) and others.
The rest of the consumer hi tech sector can be filled with cheap smart staff from other parts of the world- lower wages, union free and interchangeable.
People looking after the next gen multisensor systems will always be looked after.
The US and UK tried their magic in Iran with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1...'état as Operation Ajax, Operation Boot. :)
They then let the secret police, domestic security and intelligence service as the SAVAK contain the results of the coup. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...
Over time trying to contain your own population does not work no matter the wealth, outside support or methods
Think of it as a digital, legal Berlin wall 2.0. The US legal system will function in open court and a vast illegal domestic telco surveillance network will be examined.
The other option is legal Berlin wall 2.0 falls into place with color of law been used to stop open courts and protect a large amount of the domestic telco surveillance network and its deep gov connections.
The fun part is as cases move up to the highest courts - sooner or later within a generation some cases will have to be allowed or blocked.
The good news is thanks to whistleblowers and open US courts - further open legal work or a hasty color of law block will be very public.
The big fear is that the color of law efforts win and the legal system becomes optional for a vast section of bureaucrats, technocrats and their favored private sector contractors.
Welcome a legal system under a living document or within a banana republic.
As people are slowly understanding its a vast pool of people working on "classified" stuff. Much of it is now "classified" to just stop the press, courts, law reformers, other politically active groups from finding embracing details. From over priced failed projects, crimes and the use of contractors, hidden sites, staff- doctors, lawyers who worked at remote sites. The rapid advancement and political protection of people who faced no real background investigations to the use of dual citizens... to a vast illegal telco surveillance network and the tame brands that helped..
"A hidden world, growing beyond control (July 19, 2010) "
http://projects.washingtonpost...
Have we had State secrets yet? Retroactive immunity? Anything distracting under color of law
State secrets privilege https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Rename the projects and methods, hand the databases over to the GCHQ and Canada.
Do an exhaustive, in depth search in the US and find nothing?
Anything distracting around the world?
It gives that 3d depth and color lacking in the real world.
Young people like computer games and respond well to been further educated with computers.
Its part of a complex learning system that has worked/sold well in other countries...
Its part of a complex learning system that will sell well other countries...
Think of the exports, local hi tech jobs.
Stories like this reflect well on Armed Forces when any good news is needed to take away from reports about the UK role in Iraq.