re "Legal had it in their hands within two days and that involved pulling and selectively restoring the identified tapes and burning to DVD. I call bullshit."
After the Iran Contra emails where found on US gov systems a lot of work has gone into making sure nothing can be search in any easy way.
The complex flow of text, right leaning links with a drop in of a left link to provide political cover would point to a very well known, very active sockpuppet.
The US gov has learned from a lot its past court cases and legal issues around having real data backups.
Never again will data be kept as it was in the past: backup and for a court to find: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/...
"Career staff at the White House Communications Agency order the November backup tapes of the e-mail system to be saved instead of recycled as usual. Subsequently, investigators from the FBI and the Tower Commission use the backup takes to reconstruct the Iran-contra scandal."
Iran–Contra affair: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...–Contra_Affair
Re What in the world is so important about them? What are they hiding?
The tech is now very cheap (down from federal/mil/spy/nation only funding) . You are getting a lot of info about people, movements and their devices in a region for state/city funding.
Done with other tech you can get: passenger, driver faces, all the unique data about a phone, data use, location, duration, who is around you. Over time the next step is the voice print.
The legality question is that: fishing for 'anyone' or 'anything', entrapment, parallel construction vs needing limited roving warrant that has to show real legal results to a court over time.
The antenna you saw might just be for city wifi, a trail or any other cost saving network. Some cities police have used mesh networks in the past:
"Seattle police have a wireless network that can track your every move" (Nov. 7, 2013) http://www.kirotv.com/news/new...
Long term what is wanted at a federal and city level is voice prints on file making any (and all) communication trackable as in the UK.
MI5 uses Army helicopters to track terror suspects (21 February 2010) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...
Spy-in-sky patrols over British cities in hunt for Taliban fighters (3 August 2008) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...
"They are attempting to identify suspects using ‘voice prints’"
"recently they have been fitted with equipment capable of picking up signals from wi-fi computer networks."
ie what gov/mil did a years ago over cities is now at a low cost and been slowly rolled out into suburbia at a police level.
Expect a lot more of the chat down option - one state officer hinting that their role in a federal task force is now a talk with federal law enfacement at a persons door. No court paperwork needed and a lot of tracking tech in the area. The hide part is parallel construction vs a real warrant and what any good legal team would find.
The problem is every huge block of telco cartel or monopoly will want a cut. As a small or regional ISP you pay off the local monopoly for the fast lane but then the other side of the nation feels slow too. How many telco cartel or monopoly like zones does a smaller ISP have to pay to get the fast lane? Just the east and west coast for now?
Think of the average peering deals with new side speed clauses. Not just a dedicated line or bandwidth or best effort but the correct settings for that interconnect between telco monopolies and cartels. Your local ISP will have to pay to get out of the US, into the US, get out of the EU, into the EU, Asia, Africa, South America....
If your regional ISP does not have the right partners at a national level its game over for the users until extra cash flows.
Yes its been sold as an ISP with good dedicated national and backhaul having settings for their users VOIP. Sounds great, the ISP branded VOIP gets a boost over email, games, video streaming.
The problem with this is what all the other providers will offer: your ISP, blog/web 2.0 host, video streaming, game drm platform will all offer to do the same for a few $ per month.
Every host, game site and portal will be on the slow as email default packet settings until you pay up per day, week, month, year...
How many times will the average user have to pay for, rent and upgrade for access to the internet?
Will a web designer have to pay for the fast site? Will an artist have to pay for the fast site? If the users do not pay for the fast site?
The techniques worked so well in Iraq and Afghanistan. Voice prints, cell phone tracking, face of driver and passenger, the constant night raids, banking reports, the chat down when travelling locally.
All the kit and skills sold to the US gov during the Iraq and Afghanistan occupation has now found a new marketplace: the lucrative new home front.
re "The only thing they're really good at is absorbing a blast coming from under the vehicle."
That was the origin for much of the tech. South Africa had to keep its troops moving down roads that where unsafe.
South African Border War: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...
All that decades of tech is been repackaged and sold to the US gov for its own distant small wars. The crew survives but the long term health costs add up as some of the energy of the event does shake the human body.
What is left after the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan is been gifted to US cities, states as great "free" tech for any municipal.
Just as the US mil budget had to pay for the construction and running costs so will the local cities, states have to pick up the costs for the mil grade bespoke parts and needed upgrades.
Across America, Police Departments Are Quietly Preparing For War (06/09/2014) http://www.zerohedge.com/news/...
Yes the "municipal budget" is going to have to stretch far for the parts, skilled staff and new costs..... thats cash that will have to come from roads, schools, libraries, much needed infrastructure maintenance.
The other option to have enough local raids to self fund with confiscated property auctions. If the paper work is done just right it might bring in extra federal funding per raid too:)
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Its like many ideas presented to top US intelligence students.
Just enough history on todays enemy, the tech to do the work needed and the correct collection of happy short tech stories from the past.
Thanks to the work of whistleblowers the world now understands: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/...
Different govs, the US, UK have total mastery of the 'net' via local shared facilities and people. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... (3 Jun 2014)
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04... (APRIL 23, 2014)
The standard crypto offered is junk.
Entire generations have to rethink what the 'net' really is: predictive and trackable:
"US Secret Service wants sarcasm-detection tool for Twitter" (05 Jun 2014) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tec...
People read the headline but a bit further down is the fun part: "real-time" and the ability to identify 'influencers'.
Tech that was once at a budget level of a few nations agencies is now more wide spread at a federal level with a domestic role.
Yes what Canada needs is a cheap aircraft. Cheap to work on, cheap to fly and cheap to buy many more.
The crews can then get many more hours in and work well as a team.
Why play with one jet ready to fly per location when Canada could have its crews getting lots of real flight time on many more aircraft.
Real flight time as a team is what builds any airforce. Not simulators, not rationed hours only for the very best.
Day, night, low level, complex mission over a longer time without the stress of having to return to save on parts costs, give another pilot a share.
As for US exporting sensors, weapons systems, and advanced networking - Canada and Australia should know better by now.
They will get computer help to take off, fly, land and a system to help with next gen missiles - all US export grade and as limited as any past systems where for their generation.
As for stealth, if the other nation has a good spread of Russian, Chinese and EU radars - one will see the expensive jets at some setting.
The US hope that the act of turning radar on is never going to be an issue. Many nations have had years to consider that very complex problem:)
Depends on what you feel like doing. Encryption can be fun just to add to the huge mix of everything the gov is keeping and knowing your repeated use of encryption will be noted.
You could contact the media about past political stories in your state and retype the names, court events, keywords and offer the press support, scans of related paper or not digital work from the past.
Take up photography.
Always have a fully charged video camera (none of that 10/20 min limit hardware) at hand for the expected 'chat down'.
Is it one person, two people at your door, are they using a federal task force email/seal to make their state wide work seem federal?
Where your "free" fully encrypted email/chat reverts to plain text for advertizing, that is where 5+++ governments, ex gov staff, former gov staff are waiting.
You have seen the lists of brands that fully, willingly and over years allowed this to happen on/deep in/to/from their own branded, dedicated networks.
The backhaul, client, server can have all the fancy, best, open source crypto you like.
Re All they really need to do is arrest the people who have the skills that they need, and then coerce them into doing the work that needs to be done.
That method of enter and turn into gov informants worked well for the labor movement, woman rights, law reform, peace activists, anti nuclear protesters, animal rights, tax reform, far left, far right, 3rd party, faith based groups.
The methods are usually the same - join the gov backed NGO and do useless busy work, tax free with a nice wage, car and hand out/sell glossy safe material to people while asking for support.
Start a group and find your 5th or 8th supporter an informant or gov official reporting on you. With federal funding they can become part of the group for years, decades, working their way up, even taking over the group. At a state, city, local level, funding might be tight and they have to induce action that can be used in court at a much more rapid rate.
Mass incarceration was considered by East Germany - the costs of keeping the vast numbers in clothing, feeding them, guarding the location, ensuring the relatives understood the nature of the arrest - it all becomes very expensive and complex. Better just to flood any movement with informants from younger to retired and see what they bring back using charm, skills or the life experience to fit in.
The contact can be positive - first name, an offer to chat, a coffee, no more loans, no tax, spending money, that car, holiday for doing what interests you. Just making notes, recording, getting up to admin level pw, suggesting the next 'protest'... bringing a new face in.
The contact can be negative - you have to work fast or you get the concurrent and consecutive criminal sentences.
Why would the UK bother with "parallel construction"? Just seal the court and have a gov official introduce a person as an expert witness to read back the logs/recordings/let the security cleared defence ask questions.
The 'expert witness" will have no name, past, court reviewed academic history as an export but will be able to affirm the copper line was tapped at the exchange or digital log was saved over 2 years...
The court is then reopened and nobody is any the wiser about UK methods.
In the US in theory you would get to face the gov expert with your own experts making parallel construction so vital for the US gov.
It depends on who is requesting no press.
eg "Exclusive: US blocks publication of Chilcot’s report on how Britain went to war with Iraq" (14 November 2013) http://www.independent.co.uk/n...
Re "So what's to stop the defendants or their family going to the media to say they're the defendants to get the case against them dropped? It doesn't make any sense."
They might be invited in for a chat and told if they talk or the cleared legal team talk they all get bundled in on long term charges, risk deportation, loss of work. That can be very chilling.
The laws where set up facing WW1 Germany, the Soviet Union, Ireland (as in recording all calls, data in and out). Later laws where updated to contain/track the people released after the Irish peace talks. A lot of telco, cleared lawyer only changes over the past years.
Layers of powerful laws over generations not really intended for use on everyday people with an extended family.
Recall when Duncan Campbell, Time Out reporter Crispin Aubrey and former SIGINIT operator John Berry faced witnesses from the UK intelligence community:
Colonel 'B'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The UK court system has reverted to 1977 and the Official Secrets Act 1911 to try and stop the press from reporting again. All this has been tested in the UK press and legal system before. Secret courts did not save the GCHQ from Time Out article "The Eavesdroppers".
If the case is so "major" and is legally sound, let the press in to see the UK justice system at work. The same issues where faced over Ireland, UK gov staff working for the Soviet Union, the first super grass efforts (well connected informers getting reduced time).
How a secret national security trial will legally challenged in open court after a conviction for the tactic of "major terrorism" will be interesting.
That "measly civil claim" is the US Constitution. The US Constitution vs new lines and added paragraphs adding extra "national security" color of law?
If any gov can just say evidence does not exist, that no court can see it, that no paper work can be found - the legal system stops for an entire cadre of gov workers.
How long before more gov agencies, bureaucracies and well connected contractors try the same color of law trick? All they have to do is spin up a "national security" story and at a federal level, state or city level your access to any court is reduced to a very expensive request?
Re Absolutely nothing.
You now know what your courts, political leaders, lawyers, tame press, trusted brands and top academics have fully supported, funded, not wanted to understand or just let happen.
What can you do as a customer?
Reconsider just consuming the brands that fooled generations. Go out and find other, better US brands. From that chat app, email account, operating system, hardware, software, telco, crypto course.
When you buy your next lcd, rethink the brand on the bezel covering that lcd.
Why support the brands that decrypt all the time, every time.
Take your free time back, expert skills from their branded support sites and redirect your wisdom to other products and services.
No more 3rd party forum help, no more hype for their next product.
You have to use what you have to use in many situations but you still have the freedom to change your personal tech selections.
Tell people why you no longer supporting some trusted brands. Tell people why your are now supporting another brand.
Sit back and enjoy as the front groups, sock puppets, PR experts spin up color of law quotes to reshape and redefine their brands pasts.
You face decades of databases:
From the classic Wanted persons NCIC, all criminal records via Interstate Identification Index: III "triple-eye" (a conviction in any state at any time), Brady Law, Treasury Enforcement Computer System (TECS), Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), New Hire registry...
From plate readers, facial recognition on the driver and passenger sides, your local fusion center...
Got a cell phone on you?
Re 'but NSA getting a cert that is valid for any domain is trivial due to the trust model as it currently exists."
Just as plain text for advertizing has to be done at some point in the internal network, the NSA, GCHQ, 5++ other nations, their staff, ex staff, former staff - a lot of people will still enjoy.
Slashdot Mirror
re "Legal had it in their hands within two days and that involved pulling and selectively restoring the identified tapes and burning to DVD. I call bullshit." After the Iran Contra emails where found on US gov systems a lot of work has gone into making sure nothing can be search in any easy way.
I propose an experiment. Take the AC submission flow, style of text and see where else it is in "use"
The complex flow of text, right leaning links with a drop in of a left link to provide political cover would point to a very well known, very active sockpuppet.
The US gov has learned from a lot its past court cases and legal issues around having real data backups.
Never again will data be kept as it was in the past: backup and for a court to find: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/...
"Career staff at the White House Communications Agency order the November backup tapes of the e-mail system to be saved instead of recycled as usual. Subsequently, investigators from the FBI and the Tower Commission use the backup takes to reconstruct the Iran-contra scandal."
Iran–Contra affair: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...–Contra_Affair
Re What in the world is so important about them? What are they hiding?
The tech is now very cheap (down from federal/mil/spy/nation only funding) . You are getting a lot of info about people, movements and their devices in a region for state/city funding.
Done with other tech you can get: passenger, driver faces, all the unique data about a phone, data use, location, duration, who is around you. Over time the next step is the voice print.
The legality question is that: fishing for 'anyone' or 'anything', entrapment, parallel construction vs needing limited roving warrant that has to show real legal results to a court over time.
The antenna you saw might just be for city wifi, a trail or any other cost saving network. Some cities police have used mesh networks in the past:
"Seattle police have a wireless network that can track your every move" (Nov. 7, 2013)
http://www.kirotv.com/news/new...
Long term what is wanted at a federal and city level is voice prints on file making any (and all) communication trackable as in the UK.
MI5 uses Army helicopters to track terror suspects (21 February 2010)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...
Spy-in-sky patrols over British cities in hunt for Taliban fighters (3 August 2008)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...
"They are attempting to identify suspects using ‘voice prints’"
"recently they have been fitted with equipment capable of picking up signals from wi-fi computer networks."
ie what gov/mil did a years ago over cities is now at a low cost and been slowly rolled out into suburbia at a police level.
Expect a lot more of the chat down option - one state officer hinting that their role in a federal task force is now a talk with federal law enfacement at a persons door. No court paperwork needed and a lot of tracking tech in the area. The hide part is parallel construction vs a real warrant and what any good legal team would find.
How much for the packets to ride the golden token that does a ring around the nation at full speed?
The problem is every huge block of telco cartel or monopoly will want a cut. As a small or regional ISP you pay off the local monopoly for the fast lane but then the other side of the nation feels slow too. How many telco cartel or monopoly like zones does a smaller ISP have to pay to get the fast lane? Just the east and west coast for now?
Think of the average peering deals with new side speed clauses. Not just a dedicated line or bandwidth or best effort but the correct settings for that interconnect between telco monopolies and cartels. Your local ISP will have to pay to get out of the US, into the US, get out of the EU, into the EU, Asia, Africa, South America....
If your regional ISP does not have the right partners at a national level its game over for the users until extra cash flows.
Yes its been sold as an ISP with good dedicated national and backhaul having settings for their users VOIP. Sounds great, the ISP branded VOIP gets a boost over email, games, video streaming.
The problem with this is what all the other providers will offer: your ISP, blog/web 2.0 host, video streaming, game drm platform will all offer to do the same for a few $ per month.
Every host, game site and portal will be on the slow as email default packet settings until you pay up per day, week, month, year...
How many times will the average user have to pay for, rent and upgrade for access to the internet?
Will a web designer have to pay for the fast site? Will an artist have to pay for the fast site? If the users do not pay for the fast site?
The techniques worked so well in Iraq and Afghanistan. Voice prints, cell phone tracking, face of driver and passenger, the constant night raids, banking reports, the chat down when travelling locally.
All the kit and skills sold to the US gov during the Iraq and Afghanistan occupation has now found a new marketplace: the lucrative new home front.
re "The only thing they're really good at is absorbing a blast coming from under the vehicle." ..... thats cash that will have to come from roads, schools, libraries, much needed infrastructure maintenance. :)
That was the origin for much of the tech. South Africa had to keep its troops moving down roads that where unsafe.
South African Border War: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...
All that decades of tech is been repackaged and sold to the US gov for its own distant small wars. The crew survives but the long term health costs add up as some of the energy of the event does shake the human body.
What is left after the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan is been gifted to US cities, states as great "free" tech for any municipal.
Just as the US mil budget had to pay for the construction and running costs so will the local cities, states have to pick up the costs for the mil grade bespoke parts and needed upgrades.
Across America, Police Departments Are Quietly Preparing For War (06/09/2014)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/...
Yes the "municipal budget" is going to have to stretch far for the parts, skilled staff and new costs
The other option to have enough local raids to self fund with confiscated property auctions. If the paper work is done just right it might bring in extra federal funding per raid too
Its like many ideas presented to top US intelligence students.
Just enough history on todays enemy, the tech to do the work needed and the correct collection of happy short tech stories from the past.
Thanks to the work of whistleblowers the world now understands:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/...
Different govs, the US, UK have total mastery of the 'net' via local shared facilities and people.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... (3 Jun 2014) http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04... (APRIL 23, 2014) The standard crypto offered is junk.
Entire generations have to rethink what the 'net' really is: predictive and trackable:
"US Secret Service wants sarcasm-detection tool for Twitter" (05 Jun 2014)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tec...
People read the headline but a bit further down is the fun part: "real-time" and the ability to identify 'influencers'.
Tech that was once at a budget level of a few nations agencies is now more wide spread at a federal level with a domestic role.
The last of the gold plated, profit earning, export winners before the first good drones.
Yes what Canada needs is a cheap aircraft. Cheap to work on, cheap to fly and cheap to buy many more. :)
The crews can then get many more hours in and work well as a team.
Why play with one jet ready to fly per location when Canada could have its crews getting lots of real flight time on many more aircraft.
Real flight time as a team is what builds any airforce. Not simulators, not rationed hours only for the very best.
Day, night, low level, complex mission over a longer time without the stress of having to return to save on parts costs, give another pilot a share.
As for US exporting sensors, weapons systems, and advanced networking - Canada and Australia should know better by now.
They will get computer help to take off, fly, land and a system to help with next gen missiles - all US export grade and as limited as any past systems where for their generation.
As for stealth, if the other nation has a good spread of Russian, Chinese and EU radars - one will see the expensive jets at some setting.
The US hope that the act of turning radar on is never going to be an issue. Many nations have had years to consider that very complex problem
Depends on what you feel like doing. Encryption can be fun just to add to the huge mix of everything the gov is keeping and knowing your repeated use of encryption will be noted.
You could contact the media about past political stories in your state and retype the names, court events, keywords and offer the press support, scans of related paper or not digital work from the past.
Take up photography.
Always have a fully charged video camera (none of that 10/20 min limit hardware) at hand for the expected 'chat down'.
Is it one person, two people at your door, are they using a federal task force email/seal to make their state wide work seem federal?
Where your "free" fully encrypted email/chat reverts to plain text for advertizing, that is where 5+++ governments, ex gov staff, former gov staff are waiting.
You have seen the lists of brands that fully, willingly and over years allowed this to happen on/deep in/to/from their own branded, dedicated networks.
The backhaul, client, server can have all the fancy, best, open source crypto you like.
Re All they really need to do is arrest the people who have the skills that they need, and then coerce them into doing the work that needs to be done.
That method of enter and turn into gov informants worked well for the labor movement, woman rights, law reform, peace activists, anti nuclear protesters, animal rights, tax reform, far left, far right, 3rd party, faith based groups.
The methods are usually the same - join the gov backed NGO and do useless busy work, tax free with a nice wage, car and hand out/sell glossy safe material to people while asking for support.
Start a group and find your 5th or 8th supporter an informant or gov official reporting on you. With federal funding they can become part of the group for years, decades, working their way up, even taking over the group. At a state, city, local level, funding might be tight and they have to induce action that can be used in court at a much more rapid rate.
Mass incarceration was considered by East Germany - the costs of keeping the vast numbers in clothing, feeding them, guarding the location, ensuring the relatives understood the nature of the arrest - it all becomes very expensive and complex. Better just to flood any movement with informants from younger to retired and see what they bring back using charm, skills or the life experience to fit in.
The contact can be positive - first name, an offer to chat, a coffee, no more loans, no tax, spending money, that car, holiday for doing what interests you. Just making notes, recording, getting up to admin level pw, suggesting the next 'protest'... bringing a new face in.
The contact can be negative - you have to work fast or you get the concurrent and consecutive criminal sentences.
Why would the UK bother with "parallel construction"? Just seal the court and have a gov official introduce a person as an expert witness to read back the logs/recordings/let the security cleared defence ask questions.
The 'expert witness" will have no name, past, court reviewed academic history as an export but will be able to affirm the copper line was tapped at the exchange or digital log was saved over 2 years...
The court is then reopened and nobody is any the wiser about UK methods.
In the US in theory you would get to face the gov expert with your own experts making parallel construction so vital for the US gov.
It depends on who is requesting no press.
eg "Exclusive: US blocks publication of Chilcot’s report on how Britain went to war with Iraq" (14 November 2013)
http://www.independent.co.uk/n...
Re "So what's to stop the defendants or their family going to the media to say they're the defendants to get the case against them dropped? It doesn't make any sense."
They might be invited in for a chat and told if they talk or the cleared legal team talk they all get bundled in on long term charges, risk deportation, loss of work. That can be very chilling.
The laws where set up facing WW1 Germany, the Soviet Union, Ireland (as in recording all calls, data in and out). Later laws where updated to contain/track the people released after the Irish peace talks. A lot of telco, cleared lawyer only changes over the past years.
Layers of powerful laws over generations not really intended for use on everyday people with an extended family.
Dont worry the US wants an online sarcasm detector :)
http://www.engadget.com/2014/0...
Recall http://news.slashdot.org/story... for the real fun
Recall when Duncan Campbell, Time Out reporter Crispin Aubrey and former SIGINIT operator John Berry faced witnesses from the UK intelligence community:
Colonel 'B'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The UK court system has reverted to 1977 and the Official Secrets Act 1911 to try and stop the press from reporting again. All this has been tested in the UK press and legal system before. Secret courts did not save the GCHQ from Time Out article "The Eavesdroppers".
If the case is so "major" and is legally sound, let the press in to see the UK justice system at work. The same issues where faced over Ireland, UK gov staff working for the Soviet Union, the first super grass efforts (well connected informers getting reduced time).
How a secret national security trial will legally challenged in open court after a conviction for the tactic of "major terrorism" will be interesting.
That "measly civil claim" is the US Constitution. The US Constitution vs new lines and added paragraphs adding extra "national security" color of law?
If any gov can just say evidence does not exist, that no court can see it, that no paper work can be found - the legal system stops for an entire cadre of gov workers.
How long before more gov agencies, bureaucracies and well connected contractors try the same color of law trick? All they have to do is spin up a "national security" story and at a federal level, state or city level your access to any court is reduced to a very expensive request?
Re Absolutely nothing.
You now know what your courts, political leaders, lawyers, tame press, trusted brands and top academics have fully supported, funded, not wanted to understand or just let happen.
What can you do as a customer?
Reconsider just consuming the brands that fooled generations. Go out and find other, better US brands. From that chat app, email account, operating system, hardware, software, telco, crypto course.
When you buy your next lcd, rethink the brand on the bezel covering that lcd.
Why support the brands that decrypt all the time, every time. Take your free time back, expert skills from their branded support sites and redirect your wisdom to other products and services.
No more 3rd party forum help, no more hype for their next product.
You have to use what you have to use in many situations but you still have the freedom to change your personal tech selections.
Tell people why you no longer supporting some trusted brands. Tell people why your are now supporting another brand.
Sit back and enjoy as the front groups, sock puppets, PR experts spin up color of law quotes to reshape and redefine their brands pasts.
You face decades of databases:
From the classic Wanted persons NCIC, all criminal records via Interstate Identification Index: III "triple-eye" (a conviction in any state at any time), Brady Law, Treasury Enforcement Computer System (TECS), Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), New Hire registry...
From plate readers, facial recognition on the driver and passenger sides, your local fusion center...
Got a cell phone on you?
Re 'but NSA getting a cert that is valid for any domain is trivial due to the trust model as it currently exists."
Just as plain text for advertizing has to be done at some point in the internal network, the NSA, GCHQ, 5++ other nations, their staff, ex staff, former staff - a lot of people will still enjoy.