Re They aren't going to be impacted by the NSA
If their paycheck to paycheck life is stopped by the loss of that vital next paycheck the "people" might become locally politically active.
The telco network/internet is perfect for tracking small trends and grassroots efforts like that:)
The "abilities for evil" where not an issue when looking at distant nations and other nations mil ranks.
All that skill set is now facing inward ie at the vast majority of people.
More a return to the 1990's role of the NSA - limited funded and called on only when really needed outside the tasks of setting the codes.
The CIA and mil/contractors will take their lost 'share' back from the NSA that just grew too fast in the past ~10 years.
French, Germans, Japanese, and Italians wanted US political aid, trade, mil support, they did what they where 'told' and kept to a US/UK set standard.
If any national crypto private or public sector standards emerged from with in Asia or the forming NATO/EU the UK and US where quick to request individual firms or nations come back to the set 'NSA/GCHQ' weakened standard.
How would any nations mil or political leader say 'no' to the full might of NATO or the USA crypto?
Saying yes to the NSA/GCHQ bought in amazing new tech, local jobs, generational trust and contracting wealth to trusted local ex mil.
Questions bought in political issues, legal friction, trade issues, treats, cash flow issues, private sector bankruptcy and a loss of standing internationally.
The Soviet Union went for the human side of US/UK tech and wanted weak/ideological conflicted or cash poor staff to sell out their western govs and where always waiting for the next offer.
What did the Soviets have? Cuba was safe for a big listening station. Bits of Africa? Asia? South America? Huge spy ships and expensive satellites never gave the results and coverage demanded.
The UK and US always had the global banking, telco systems and crypto. The Soviet Union had to connect if it wanted to export on NSA terms too:)
China just sat back and flooded the West with their students and products- learning their way up until they could trade their way to any project at any quality or price. Win contracts or offer aid projects and make friends.
So really beyond the junk encryption setting NSA and GCHQ you where stuck with age old human spying, spy ships, satellites or doing what you where told by US/UK experts.
ie the "Russians / Soviets" could not even keep their own crypto traffic safe beyond the 1950's (very wise one time pad use was stopped).
Their radio and communications networks became huge, sloppy and totally useless into the ~1960-80's.
The role the Soviet played is a bit like our 'internet' now or Enigma and Germany - back to plain text.
China went smart and offered layers of regional and national data - mixed with propaganda, missing data, fake data and politics - good luck with working that out at a spy or database level.
So other countries get soft loans and have to pay them back in real hard currency... via massive taxes or selling off national infrastructure.
"Debt" on a "US" national scale doesn't work that way? - as in never pay back "work that way" or some other trading/computer/war/political trick?
Any issues raised about "passive eavesdropping" by protesters in the real world would be surrounded by police, federal agents and domestic mil support if near a base/camp/fort...:)
Long term surveillance and infiltration would blunt the message.
Press can be fired, set up, distracted or ensured fame until stories about "eavesdropping" become a distant memory.
Academics can be ensured fame as they write about other safe topics or are questioned over every 'privacy' 'crypto' or 'rights' paper.
If all that fails just set up well funded front 'foundations' or present other 'academics' to question the role of the Fourth Amendment at a state and federal level until it becomes just another party political mess.
Sockpuppets have a great role to play too:)
The same basic questions about US law would have been placed in the ~1950-60-70-80-90~2000. Any individual would have just been reassured, reassessed and later promoted to a less legally challenging area.
A few generations later the people doing the hiring and been re hired for contracting would have been more understanding of the role of global communications at a domestic level.
"knee-jerk anti-NSA sentiment"? Global encryption is now junk. The brands that sold it are a joke. The gov workers who tested/passed it are presenting unsafe math. Thats not just "sentiment" or 'sensible priorities"
You dont get to be on an oversight committee without getting a hint of the plain text wonders related to any area of political interest. Mil, drugs, banking, trade, crime - just enough to keep the laws flexible and internal reviews been all the oversight ever needed.
Recall the NSA funding and internal standing in the US gov structure in the 1990's?
They had to deliver plain text 24/7 or face even less funding or other groups would have offered language contractors and bulk clearances.
The only trick was keeping the citation needed over generation.
From the 1920's on the ~GCHQ and ~NSA gave UK and US political and military leaders limited and then full plain text about the world.
With the generational (1950-80's) change from dedicated cryptography machines to the 'internet' that same political and military deal had to be met.
How do you get the world chatter? You have to create any emerging digital standards. Just as the cryptography machines and telco equipment where interfered with and sold cheap to friendly nations.
If the UK and US encounter perfect encryption, they get to the firm making it, swap staff, buy in, buy up, create negative press or bolster the prestige of a more tame firm. Product prices can also be fixed until the perfect encryption never makes a profit or has to change methods to keep up.
Time for the buddy system for all staff or contractors:)
As for the numbers, the KVM teams only have to be lucky once – the bank will have to be lucky always.
Re Why are we even having this conversation?
It turns science in to just another humanities subject and real environmental pollution into ~ "conversations with heavy industry".
The faster science is watered down the less you have to worry about "work" by epidemiologists, statisticians, and public health staff.
Most importantly the next generation will not even want to understand the word epidemiologists.
State govs can save on science teaching, pollution testing and any technical/professional expertise.
Heavy industry can go on without filters or site remediation.
People of faith vote for 'their' winning political team. Creationism is just the cover term for a lot of educational changes to defund expensive science.
Your down to one fixed text, a dry-erase board and some seating/desks. No more labs, chemicals, staffing costs, new computers, field trips, expensive new text books...
Re Our information tech dominance is slipping away while we wait for the invisible hand to stop touching itself.
Yes something is very wrong with the funding mix and expected returns.
Why the total hesitation to change over from expensive copper in cities?
Optical would be the way to go. Known bandwidth, more passive to backhaul, less expensive cooling and power in suburbia. The consumer gets a backup battery at home and can run their voice phone, internet, fax, alarms, cctv, enjoy television. The option to move data "up" if they pay more can be sold on too.
Are skilled workers who can splice so rare or expensive to educate and clear for that work?
Are the ducts in such bad repair or badly mapped? Sooner or later the over provisioned copper will run out.
Any telco or skilled isp could offer optical from diverse regions, real backup power, be able to meet huge cpu and storage needs at a price.
The "cloud" undercuts aspects of the above with less diverse optical or backup power might be in a basement in a floodplain. The huge cpu and storage options are the main selling point.
What to do about optical connections or backup power is left to the consumer to code around or select deep in setup options.
The main fear is optical backhaul to the basement and the option of any ISP, telco or other provider just been selected by customers as needed.
Cheap best effort ISP or a telco with more real dedicated optical.
No more service monopoly, duopoly or city/telco cartel keeping consumers for life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A would show the risks in rapid property changes and rushed new technology upgrades.
If NSA cleared contractors are not called out in time, local engineers and new middle management might start to open their doors and ask real questions.
Upgrades are messy: new ides, new staff, new smaller property, more passive optical.
The private sector built the railroads, funded bridges, worked with (oil, gas, iron, steel), positioned pipelines, electrical grid, telephone... optical is on the way - just wait like other generations had to.
Optical to the node with existing copper?
Optical to the home replacing existing copper?
Optical to the tower with well installed line of sight wireless?
The existing copper loops can be long, damaged, old, in need of expensive ongoing long term work to keep them at a quoted min data speed.
Any node box will need power, cooling, backup power and has to positioned in suburbia or the copper length reduces the new speeds.
Trying to run optical from a home to a node hits a cpu/heat wall.
Optical to the home replacing existing copper is good as its passive and can be upgraded - no loud active cooling on the street.
Line of sight wireless? How many users per tower and at what speed? How do you give limited spectrum to users wanting huge uploads and downloads without caps, prices and other methods to contain their need for bandwidth?
Optical would be the smart way to go. The optical/copper node buys the telcos a few more years?
As for the huge data push up to the cloud - the end user copies that 1080p, 2k or 4k video clip onto their home machine and wants to share/backup....
Random number generator would be the way to go on some projects. Would the users and devs pick it up in time, over time? Be activity looking for an issue like that?
That chain will no longer be unlimited runs of networked US tech from telco optical to a huge "plaintext" database via a soft loan or regional political deal.
Air gaps will be considered rather than be seen as just too costly/slow. That will need local CIA/US Special forces teams to break in or the CIA to bribe local staff.
Once the US has to have people on the ground again its spy vs spy and on another countries turf.
Any new faces from the EU/US/Russia are tracked.
We had issues about 15% of all nuclear powered space missions. From Transit, Nimbus to the Soviet Rorsat 954 over Canada, later Rorsat 1402 and Rorsat 1900.
Whats another spy sat/spaceplane with a cute mission badge? A nice commercial and gov funded workshop for staff and the skill sets are kept.
As for responding to a threat - it can anything from a stealthy mission to placing 'something' over an area very quickly.
The main threat would be budget cuts or been found to be wasting US tax payers cash on something anyone can track again.
Most smart nations have mapped everything the US and Russia put up and can take measures to allow the US and Russia to see just what they want to see.
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Re They aren't going to be impacted by the NSA :)
If their paycheck to paycheck life is stopped by the loss of that vital next paycheck the "people" might become locally politically active.
The telco network/internet is perfect for tracking small trends and grassroots efforts like that
The "abilities for evil" where not an issue when looking at distant nations and other nations mil ranks.
All that skill set is now facing inward ie at the vast majority of people.
More a return to the 1990's role of the NSA - limited funded and called on only when really needed outside the tasks of setting the codes.
The CIA and mil/contractors will take their lost 'share' back from the NSA that just grew too fast in the past ~10 years.
French, Germans, Japanese, and Italians wanted US political aid, trade, mil support, they did what they where 'told' and kept to a US/UK set standard. :)
If any national crypto private or public sector standards emerged from with in Asia or the forming NATO/EU the UK and US where quick to request individual firms or nations come back to the set 'NSA/GCHQ' weakened standard.
How would any nations mil or political leader say 'no' to the full might of NATO or the USA crypto?
Saying yes to the NSA/GCHQ bought in amazing new tech, local jobs, generational trust and contracting wealth to trusted local ex mil.
Questions bought in political issues, legal friction, trade issues, treats, cash flow issues, private sector bankruptcy and a loss of standing internationally.
The Soviet Union went for the human side of US/UK tech and wanted weak/ideological conflicted or cash poor staff to sell out their western govs and where always waiting for the next offer.
What did the Soviets have? Cuba was safe for a big listening station. Bits of Africa? Asia? South America? Huge spy ships and expensive satellites never gave the results and coverage demanded.
The UK and US always had the global banking, telco systems and crypto. The Soviet Union had to connect if it wanted to export on NSA terms too
China just sat back and flooded the West with their students and products- learning their way up until they could trade their way to any project at any quality or price. Win contracts or offer aid projects and make friends.
So really beyond the junk encryption setting NSA and GCHQ you where stuck with age old human spying, spy ships, satellites or doing what you where told by US/UK experts.
ie the "Russians / Soviets" could not even keep their own crypto traffic safe beyond the 1950's (very wise one time pad use was stopped).
Their radio and communications networks became huge, sloppy and totally useless into the ~1960-80's.
The role the Soviet played is a bit like our 'internet' now or Enigma and Germany - back to plain text. China went smart and offered layers of regional and national data - mixed with propaganda, missing data, fake data and politics - good luck with working that out at a spy or database level.
So other countries get soft loans and have to pay them back in real hard currency... via massive taxes or selling off national infrastructure.
"Debt" on a "US" national scale doesn't work that way? - as in never pay back "work that way" or some other trading/computer/war/political trick?
Any issues raised about "passive eavesdropping" by protesters in the real world would be surrounded by police, federal agents and domestic mil support if near a base/camp/fort... :) :)
Long term surveillance and infiltration would blunt the message.
Press can be fired, set up, distracted or ensured fame until stories about "eavesdropping" become a distant memory.
Academics can be ensured fame as they write about other safe topics or are questioned over every 'privacy' 'crypto' or 'rights' paper.
If all that fails just set up well funded front 'foundations' or present other 'academics' to question the role of the Fourth Amendment at a state and federal level until it becomes just another party political mess.
Sockpuppets have a great role to play too
The same basic questions about US law would have been placed in the ~1950-60-70-80-90~2000. Any individual would have just been reassured, reassessed and later promoted to a less legally challenging area.
A few generations later the people doing the hiring and been re hired for contracting would have been more understanding of the role of global communications at a domestic level.
"knee-jerk anti-NSA sentiment"? Global encryption is now junk. The brands that sold it are a joke. The gov workers who tested/passed it are presenting unsafe math. Thats not just "sentiment" or 'sensible priorities"
You dont get to be on an oversight committee without getting a hint of the plain text wonders related to any area of political interest.
Mil, drugs, banking, trade, crime - just enough to keep the laws flexible and internal reviews been all the oversight ever needed.
Recall the NSA funding and internal standing in the US gov structure in the 1990's?
They had to deliver plain text 24/7 or face even less funding or other groups would have offered language contractors and bulk clearances.
The only trick was keeping the citation needed over generation.
From the 1920's on the ~GCHQ and ~NSA gave UK and US political and military leaders limited and then full plain text about the world.
With the generational (1950-80's) change from dedicated cryptography machines to the 'internet' that same political and military deal had to be met.
How do you get the world chatter? You have to create any emerging digital standards. Just as the cryptography machines and telco equipment where interfered with and sold cheap to friendly nations.
If the UK and US encounter perfect encryption, they get to the firm making it, swap staff, buy in, buy up, create negative press or bolster the prestige of a more tame firm. Product prices can also be fixed until the perfect encryption never makes a profit or has to change methods to keep up.
Time for the buddy system for all staff or contractors :)
As for the numbers, the KVM teams only have to be lucky once – the bank will have to be lucky always.
Re Why are we even having this conversation?
It turns science in to just another humanities subject and real environmental pollution into ~ "conversations with heavy industry".
The faster science is watered down the less you have to worry about "work" by epidemiologists, statisticians, and public health staff.
Most importantly the next generation will not even want to understand the word epidemiologists.
State govs can save on science teaching, pollution testing and any technical/professional expertise.
Heavy industry can go on without filters or site remediation.
People of faith vote for 'their' winning political team. Creationism is just the cover term for a lot of educational changes to defund expensive science.
Your down to one fixed text, a dry-erase board and some seating/desks. No more labs, chemicals, staffing costs, new computers, field trips, expensive new text books...
Re Our information tech dominance is slipping away while we wait for the invisible hand to stop touching itself.
Yes something is very wrong with the funding mix and expected returns.
Why the total hesitation to change over from expensive copper in cities?
Optical would be the way to go. Known bandwidth, more passive to backhaul, less expensive cooling and power in suburbia.
The consumer gets a backup battery at home and can run their voice phone, internet, fax, alarms, cctv, enjoy television. The option to move data "up" if they pay more can be sold on too.
Are skilled workers who can splice so rare or expensive to educate and clear for that work?
Are the ducts in such bad repair or badly mapped? Sooner or later the over provisioned copper will run out.
Any telco or skilled isp could offer optical from diverse regions, real backup power, be able to meet huge cpu and storage needs at a price.
The "cloud" undercuts aspects of the above with less diverse optical or backup power might be in a basement in a floodplain.
The huge cpu and storage options are the main selling point.
What to do about optical connections or backup power is left to the consumer to code around or select deep in setup options.
The main fear is optical backhaul to the basement and the option of any ISP, telco or other provider just been selected by customers as needed.
Cheap best effort ISP or a telco with more real dedicated optical.
No more service monopoly, duopoly or city/telco cartel keeping consumers for life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A would show the risks in rapid property changes and rushed new technology upgrades.
If NSA cleared contractors are not called out in time, local engineers and new middle management might start to open their doors and ask real questions.
Upgrades are messy: new ides, new staff, new smaller property, more passive optical.
The private sector built the railroads, funded bridges, worked with (oil, gas, iron, steel), positioned pipelines, electrical grid, telephone... optical is on the way - just wait like other generations had to.
So other countries went from dialup modems and plain old telephone service (POTS) to optical? Adsl1 and 2+ never made it out of their telcos labs?
Optical to the node with existing copper?
Optical to the home replacing existing copper?
Optical to the tower with well installed line of sight wireless?
The existing copper loops can be long, damaged, old, in need of expensive ongoing long term work to keep them at a quoted min data speed.
Any node box will need power, cooling, backup power and has to positioned in suburbia or the copper length reduces the new speeds.
Trying to run optical from a home to a node hits a cpu/heat wall.
Optical to the home replacing existing copper is good as its passive and can be upgraded - no loud active cooling on the street.
Line of sight wireless? How many users per tower and at what speed? How do you give limited spectrum to users wanting huge uploads and downloads without caps, prices and other methods to contain their need for bandwidth?
Optical would be the smart way to go. The optical/copper node buys the telcos a few more years? As for the huge data push up to the cloud - the end user copies that 1080p, 2k or 4k video clip onto their home machine and wants to share/backup....
It could be a list of efforts first: A break in? A fake utility worker? Small truck hitting a car door?
Random number generator would be the way to go on some projects. Would the users and devs pick it up in time, over time? Be activity looking for an issue like that?
The only question now is the nature of the tinfoil layers needed.
Was it tracking a user over a network?
Was it more a permission, checksum and no log files methods?
Was it on going help with long term decryption?
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/07/nsa-taps-skype-chats-newly-published-snowden-leaks-confirm/
http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/06/can-apple-read-your-imessages-ars-deciphers-end-to-end-crypto-claims/
http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/09/new-york-times-provides-new-details-about-nsa-backdoor-in-crypto-spec/
http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/09/nsa-attains-the-holy-grail-of-spying-decodes-vast-swaths-of-internet-traffic/
Yes popular would be the option. Why go to a site only people looking for a job would need to visit?
That chain will no longer be unlimited runs of networked US tech from telco optical to a huge "plaintext" database via a soft loan or regional political deal.
Air gaps will be considered rather than be seen as just too costly/slow. That will need local CIA/US Special forces teams to break in or the CIA to bribe local staff.
Once the US has to have people on the ground again its spy vs spy and on another countries turf.
Any new faces from the EU/US/Russia are tracked.
We had issues about 15% of all nuclear powered space missions. From Transit, Nimbus to the Soviet Rorsat 954 over Canada, later Rorsat 1402 and Rorsat 1900.
Whats another spy sat/spaceplane with a cute mission badge? A nice commercial and gov funded workshop for staff and the skill sets are kept.
As for responding to a threat - it can anything from a stealthy mission to placing 'something' over an area very quickly.
The main threat would be budget cuts or been found to be wasting US tax payers cash on something anyone can track again.
Most smart nations have mapped everything the US and Russia put up and can take measures to allow the US and Russia to see just what they want to see.
Reactor shield would be 1000kg, fuel mass 200kg, for ~ 10 years of 100 kilowatts of orbital super computing.