Privacy on their mobile would have been protected by law to be used in an open court. If not, why did so many changes get added to telco laws.
If all the rubber stamp/hidden courts/self written warrants/no warrants needed where working at/apporved 100% and anything used public courts needed a real legal warrant - nobody would have ever found out.
The mess was trying to bring the rubber stamp/hidden courts/self written warrants 'product' into the public courts via extra colour of law efforts.
Every government on the planet can buy hardware and software to do it but some still have working legal systems.
No, your entering of text was the only hardware step needed. What could any later software efforts do as a layer on top of the hardware/design sending/keeping your input... ie safe from the network only.
Is there any proof anymore to these claims?...
With all Snowden has given and the PR stunts the named brands have had to offer with statements about gov requests and encrypting their backhaul..
GCHQ intercepted mobile phone calls where hinted at around the 1998 Omagh ie terms like monitored live was noted at the time.
The attempt of trying sim card changes and the database of US call history should give another hint.
The ability to collect voice prints over cities via aircraft and compare them to data collected in other parts of the world should give a hint (Colombia ~early 1990's tech pushed into the post 911 world ~ cell sites to phone networks).
Voice-recognition software is used on the ground for the audio of each call. The UK had its SIGMod upgrades hinted at in the UK press.
The UK legislation to legally use/keep all emails, details of web pages accessed and telephone calls "data" for many years was tried too... another hint.
Reports of deep packet sniffers testing on private telco networks made the press in the UK too under the Intercept Modernisation Programme... another hint.
The Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act use per year was also a hint.
So you had all the back end to a huge haul of data but the security at the front end was also noted to be safe due to regional and legal differences around the world.
No brand would risk selling world wide sales drops......
The lack of any legal push for better working relationships between govs and telcos seems to be a hint too is everybody seemed to be doing just fine.
The spiegel fills in the final notes of when, the brands and the legal/tech changes as "temporarily unable" and whats was sold to the world as "uncrackable".
The dates fit with the UK press and UK laws around mid/very late 2000.
The option of limited hangout vs years of headlines? If you followed the tech news from the mid 1990's and looked at any crypto/telco history/law most if it was listed and public- as the tech and rush for bulk backhaul collection/storage and later legal use via new law.
LOL AC, the fat and fluid in the average arm was not factored in during extensive testing.
Version 2 will have a better antenna in the longer, stronger band.
You get lots of extra utility or contractor visits based on time you arranged.
ie sneak and peek using the cover of you expecting a person on that day. If questioned they are a sub contractor, lost, new, a computer error....
In the distant past you might have some insight via very poor telephone line quality or faint extra sounds on the line.
Most would be very passive - internet logs, phonecalls, your life is tracked.
If you are politically active, the press or in contact with a person thats got something interesting (data, a story, documents) the tracking/contact may become more direct.
Yes its an amazing ritual thats been sold to the US gov since the end of WW2. Thats almost entering a religious passing down of the tech.
The UK tested the options in the early 1980's and found it to be total junk. Good people fail, bad people are given one more trick to stay in with.
The main part is the tracking a person before the test - internet use, reading - the full background before the test.
If you look up sites about the test, they are 'ready' with verbal and device mind games based on what you looked up.
How they present on the day, wait for the test (read, what you read while waiting), the pre test questions, reactions 'during' the test, the after test chat and offer to 'help' if truthful. Been on your side, just be helpful - after 3 or more tests.
A plea deal now is the only way to reduce the mix of concurrent and consecutive list of changes many may face.
With http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate in the US - its often a one time, very time limited deal.
In Australia the idea was to educate as many people via forum post and web sites. http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/ in the Companies section.
Also the "Find a broadband plan" http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/ search would result in a list of local ISP options per exchange.
Allowing people to plan, compare ISP and list their caps, services (P2P tracking/slowing efforts) seems to have done some good.
Over time searching for that brands products would bring a flood of negative results or very positive news.
A new Church report with internal whistleblowing protections? Public hearings with outside experts? Iran Contra like?
The big brands/contractors and the sub committees trying to correct or shape the public record.
Nobody would be prosecuted but the mystique would fall and be replaced by the best telco/crypto/CS "quote of the day".
The endless fun we could have with the resident sockpuppets on slashdot too:)
The problem was "shifting to something else" was usually a US gov backed standard that 'everybody' in the public and private sector in the US liked and the NSA passed... The world was paying attention, to what they thought was export grade quality cryptography - protected by law/bad press if faulty and the makers stock price and a lot of other legal/coding hopes.
The US did not seem to be "dogfooding" its own networked military applications, just always drawing bulk data inwards to very secure sites for further work.
It seems a lot of CS and other grads missed the basics of testing/coding/understanding/selling/buying/reading up on.....encryption too.
If they had a hint of something extra in their hardware/software why did they not notice, speak up, go to a conference?
It seems as if the world fell for the hardware and software exports without saying too much...over many years, so many staffing changes...
All just too happy to install the new devices/upgrade and let their own govs trust it?
Like the Russians who got some early insight into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gold (1950s to tap into landline communication of the Soviet Army headquarters in Berlin).
Everything may seem normal but the historic hints about backdoors in equipment is not new. I wonder how many govs over the years played the "insecurity" side by pushing junk info back out and waiting to see a hint of it in the US press?
Yes you see the news like : http://in.news.yahoo.com/google-beefs-user-data-encryption-amidst-nsa-snoop-043521614.html
The backhaul to the data centers will be more encrypted... read on for the hint...."no effect on legal requirements for any tech company to furnish data when demanded"
I wonder what the spying output will be like from the backdoored closed source products over the years? A lot of attempts at misinformation, past time/joke/junk use and drop in actionable gossip.
The idea could be to replace a few stealthy or known overloaded platforms with trackable orbits just before action against a real enemy with a hint of having anti-satellite weapons.
Dont bet all on the super expensive stealthy "one" that teams of amateurs blog about.
Flood the short term war zone with cheap new sats and enjoy the high ground for a bit longer.
China, Russia seem to be spending their cash on loans, global charity, education, improving their image/optics/PR and getting the most for their exports.
Building, waiting, charming, learning, selling, helping, advising... arms, tech, nuclear, space, science.. raw materials all for sale, trade.
The days of backing messy revolutions and flaky leaders is still an idea that has traction but they have learned not to race into traps.
Tor has it origins with the US government and as such has always the same standing as any US cryptographic or telco product.
Useful but very trackable.
military assets....
The best use would be for NGO and 'colour revolution' types in distant lands that the US feels are ripe for regime change lite.
With the Western training camps filled with banners, slogans, stickers, web 2.0 efforts ready to go back to the home country and seem like a local grass roots issue. The pretty 20 something English speaking locals who can get on youtube/the 24h news cycle and sell a US funded revolution back to the world....
Tor would have protected them from most forms of State tracking for a few years until the purveyors of fine surveillance technology had a new product selection.
Tor would not offer any protection from the US if they got too off message and wanted to escape their backers.
Think of it as Enigma in 1946. Safe from the region but the gift of message security to a friendly nation is not what it seems.
As the history of phone data hints, they keep it 'all' and when your noticed, all your digital life is fair game.
The real trick is what gets you noticed... the web 2.0 'jokes' seem to point to not much at a federal, state or city level.
vs a book on a political dynasty or a history of cryptography with new interviews on wars of the past 10~20 years...
The fact that random posts are found so fast seems to point to some very robust, cheap and quality code in constant use below the federal level.
Since when is encryption, telco, optical, hardware exports, unprotected OS, databases of phone use and poorly coded applications not the latest tech news?
This is a wonderful time for many people interested in tech, something beyond the consumer grade new product ad/news/cult.
We have had 30 years of whispers, books, magazines and talks by past experts. We seem to have a generation of experts who seemed to allow their allowed hardware and software encryption to fail on a global scale. So every new story adds to work mentioned in the past. In 30 years this would have been amazing news. Getting all this crypto and telco news now is going to allow some very creative people to release some new software and hardware.
If you face a sealed court, people will know, you become a topic of legal whispers that grows fast to protests. If your in open court your legal team can question many things, getting the press on your side/message out. UK Official Secrets Act is not the dream it was in the past for stopping publishers, press, the politically connected and academics.
What cannot be published in the UK can be seen from the UK via the net.
What cannot be hosted in the UK can be seen from the UK via the net.
The act of contacting you over information thats in the public is seen as bad optics. Other people start to read up/study/host/spread info just over that move by the gov.
Why would anyone be mad?....
So what is the line "may also be observed participating in CNO efforts against US Web sites and networks" about then in a US legal setting?
Or is it just a way of saying groups of computers on a network?
Thanks
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Privacy on their mobile would have been protected by law to be used in an open court. If not, why did so many changes get added to telco laws.
If all the rubber stamp/hidden courts/self written warrants/no warrants needed where working at/apporved 100% and anything used public courts needed a real legal warrant - nobody would have ever found out.
The mess was trying to bring the rubber stamp/hidden courts/self written warrants 'product' into the public courts via extra colour of law efforts.
Every government on the planet can buy hardware and software to do it but some still have working legal systems.
No, your entering of text was the only hardware step needed. What could any later software efforts do as a layer on top of the hardware/design sending/keeping your input... ie safe from the network only.
Is there any proof anymore to these claims? ...
With all Snowden has given and the PR stunts the named brands have had to offer with statements about gov requests and encrypting their backhaul..
GCHQ intercepted mobile phone calls where hinted at around the 1998 Omagh ie terms like monitored live was noted at the time.
The attempt of trying sim card changes and the database of US call history should give another hint.
The ability to collect voice prints over cities via aircraft and compare them to data collected in other parts of the world should give a hint (Colombia ~early 1990's tech pushed into the post 911 world ~ cell sites to phone networks).
Voice-recognition software is used on the ground for the audio of each call. The UK had its SIGMod upgrades hinted at in the UK press.
The UK legislation to legally use/keep all emails, details of web pages accessed and telephone calls "data" for many years was tried too... another hint.
Reports of deep packet sniffers testing on private telco networks made the press in the UK too under the Intercept Modernisation Programme... another hint.
The Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act use per year was also a hint.
So you had all the back end to a huge haul of data but the security at the front end was also noted to be safe due to regional and legal differences around the world.
No brand would risk selling world wide sales drops......
The lack of any legal push for better working relationships between govs and telcos seems to be a hint too is everybody seemed to be doing just fine.
The spiegel fills in the final notes of when, the brands and the legal/tech changes as "temporarily unable" and whats was sold to the world as "uncrackable".
The dates fit with the UK press and UK laws around mid/very late 2000.
The option of limited hangout vs years of headlines? If you followed the tech news from the mid 1990's and looked at any crypto/telco history/law most if it was listed and public- as the tech and rush for bulk backhaul collection/storage and later legal use via new law.
LOL AC, the fat and fluid in the average arm was not factored in during extensive testing.
Version 2 will have a better antenna in the longer, stronger band.
You get lots of extra utility or contractor visits based on time you arranged.
ie sneak and peek using the cover of you expecting a person on that day. If questioned they are a sub contractor, lost, new, a computer error....
In the distant past you might have some insight via very poor telephone line quality or faint extra sounds on the line.
Most would be very passive - internet logs, phonecalls, your life is tracked.
If you are politically active, the press or in contact with a person thats got something interesting (data, a story, documents) the tracking/contact may become more direct.
Yes its an amazing ritual thats been sold to the US gov since the end of WW2. Thats almost entering a religious passing down of the tech.
The UK tested the options in the early 1980's and found it to be total junk. Good people fail, bad people are given one more trick to stay in with.
The main part is the tracking a person before the test - internet use, reading - the full background before the test.
If you look up sites about the test, they are 'ready' with verbal and device mind games based on what you looked up.
How they present on the day, wait for the test (read, what you read while waiting), the pre test questions, reactions 'during' the test, the after test chat and offer to 'help' if truthful. Been on your side, just be helpful - after 3 or more tests.
A plea deal now is the only way to reduce the mix of concurrent and consecutive list of changes many may face.
With http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate in the US - its often a one time, very time limited deal.
http://carnegieendowment.org/files/fukushima.pdf on page 11-12 should give some background on heights and the site ie they knew and still built the site lower down.
In Australia the idea was to educate as many people via forum post and web sites.
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/ in the Companies section.
Also the "Find a broadband plan" http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/ search would result in a list of local ISP options per exchange. Allowing people to plan, compare ISP and list their caps, services (P2P tracking/slowing efforts) seems to have done some good.
Over time searching for that brands products would bring a flood of negative results or very positive news.
A new Church report with internal whistleblowing protections? Public hearings with outside experts? Iran Contra like? :)
The big brands/contractors and the sub committees trying to correct or shape the public record.
Nobody would be prosecuted but the mystique would fall and be replaced by the best telco/crypto/CS "quote of the day".
The endless fun we could have with the resident sockpuppets on slashdot too
The problem was "shifting to something else" was usually a US gov backed standard that 'everybody' in the public and private sector in the US liked and the NSA passed...
The world was paying attention, to what they thought was export grade quality cryptography - protected by law/bad press if faulty and the makers stock price and a lot of other legal/coding hopes.
The US did not seem to be "dogfooding" its own networked military applications, just always drawing bulk data inwards to very secure sites for further work.
It seems a lot of CS and other grads missed the basics of testing/coding/understanding/selling/buying/reading up on .....encryption too.
If they had a hint of something extra in their hardware/software why did they not notice, speak up, go to a conference?
It seems as if the world fell for the hardware and software exports without saying too much...over many years, so many staffing changes...
All just too happy to install the new devices/upgrade and let their own govs trust it?
Like the Russians who got some early insight into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gold (1950s to tap into landline communication of the Soviet Army headquarters in Berlin).
Everything may seem normal but the historic hints about backdoors in equipment is not new. I wonder how many govs over the years played the "insecurity" side by pushing junk info back out and waiting to see a hint of it in the US press?
Yes you see the news like : http://in.news.yahoo.com/google-beefs-user-data-encryption-amidst-nsa-snoop-043521614.html ...."no effect on legal requirements for any tech company to furnish data when demanded"
The backhaul to the data centers will be more encrypted... read on for the hint
I wonder what the spying output will be like from the backdoored closed source products over the years? A lot of attempts at misinformation, past time/joke/junk use and drop in actionable gossip.
The idea could be to replace a few stealthy or known overloaded platforms with trackable orbits just before action against a real enemy with a hint of having anti-satellite weapons.
Dont bet all on the super expensive stealthy "one" that teams of amateurs blog about.
Flood the short term war zone with cheap new sats and enjoy the high ground for a bit longer.
Signal lasers for special forces on the ground dragging power with them trying to aim up at something at a set time?
China, Russia seem to be spending their cash on loans, global charity, education, improving their image/optics/PR and getting the most for their exports. .. raw materials all for sale, trade.
Building, waiting, charming, learning, selling, helping, advising... arms, tech, nuclear, space, science
The days of backing messy revolutions and flaky leaders is still an idea that has traction but they have learned not to race into traps.
Tor has it origins with the US government and as such has always the same standing as any US cryptographic or telco product.
Useful but very trackable.
military assets....
The best use would be for NGO and 'colour revolution' types in distant lands that the US feels are ripe for regime change lite.
With the Western training camps filled with banners, slogans, stickers, web 2.0 efforts ready to go back to the home country and seem like a local grass roots issue.
The pretty 20 something English speaking locals who can get on youtube/the 24h news cycle and sell a US funded revolution back to the world....
Tor would have protected them from most forms of State tracking for a few years until the purveyors of fine surveillance technology had a new product selection.
Tor would not offer any protection from the US if they got too off message and wanted to escape their backers.
Think of it as Enigma in 1946. Safe from the region but the gift of message security to a friendly nation is not what it seems.
As the history of phone data hints, they keep it 'all' and when your noticed, all your digital life is fair game.
The real trick is what gets you noticed... the web 2.0 'jokes' seem to point to not much at a federal, state or city level.
vs a book on a political dynasty or a history of cryptography with new interviews on wars of the past 10~20 years...
The fact that random posts are found so fast seems to point to some very robust, cheap and quality code in constant use below the federal level.
Since when is encryption, telco, optical, hardware exports, unprotected OS, databases of phone use and poorly coded applications not the latest tech news?
This is a wonderful time for many people interested in tech, something beyond the consumer grade new product ad/news/cult.
The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave moment via US crypto exports :)
We have had 30 years of whispers, books, magazines and talks by past experts. We seem to have a generation of experts who seemed to allow their allowed hardware and software encryption to fail on a global scale.
So every new story adds to work mentioned in the past. In 30 years this would have been amazing news.
Getting all this crypto and telco news now is going to allow some very creative people to release some new software and hardware.
If you face a sealed court, people will know, you become a topic of legal whispers that grows fast to protests. If your in open court your legal team can question many things, getting the press on your side/message out.
UK Official Secrets Act is not the dream it was in the past for stopping publishers, press, the politically connected and academics.
What cannot be published in the UK can be seen from the UK via the net.
What cannot be hosted in the UK can be seen from the UK via the net.
The act of contacting you over information thats in the public is seen as bad optics. Other people start to read up/study/host/spread info just over that move by the gov.
That can be set up as a non profit. A small fee may go towards upkeep and community backhaul like equipment.
Why would anyone be mad?....
So what is the line "may also be observed participating in CNO efforts against US Web sites and networks" about then in a US legal setting?
Or is it just a way of saying groups of computers on a network?
Thanks