Even the low end, small brand prosumer/business grade ethernet, quality firewall with wireless and 3G dongle units seem to send something back.
Forums usually have the question why is my new, quality firewall phoning home?
Its only an anonymous diagnostic tool that cant be turned off and users are to be thankful for the low cost of the unit, low power usage, cool running and great support... cpu and memory is great too...
Its a "hey, we got funding for this fancy new tech!" race. Once you get your tech into a sub set of larger US states, many will follow. You can lock out the competition for generations as been one of the first and ensure you stay one of the few certified national providers. Its a race worth funding at cost per university and with a national roll out as the prize.
As for why, you can prevent substitute test takers for all exams, timed tests or practicals in classes with many 100's of students.
Re: If you want to use cell phones
They will still get you from the numbers you ring and sooner or later get your voice print due to the contacts made.
Say you ring 20 people. 2 could be undercover or turned - all logged. 1 could be known and under active surveillance.
If a 3G data connection was not easy to track it would have never been adopted as a standard.
The standard would have been send back to the developers until the US/UK govs where happy with it ie keep amateur scanners out, gov gets it all.
Powerful computers and voice-recognition software allowed for sigint to got vast upgrades in ~2005 for the UK.
Deep packet sniffers seem to have been added too under "maintaining the capability" from classic taps.
Everything that nation states had for war 10 years ago is now up for sale to federal task forces and city/state use depending on federal funding.
US govt views privacy-enhancing encryption without a US back door as an illegal weapon.
You can export and offer all the strong encryption you like and present it internationally.
The text or voice or data entry would be on MS or some other US OS/hardware.
The cloud 'key' better turn it back to plain text on a US server.
You data is safe in transit, never safe at each US end.
Think CALEA with extra "illegal weapon" jail time if you or your company does not want to sit down and play nice.
The Prism aspect seems to be a 24/7 open pipe for the FBI links/launders/obfuscates to the NSA.
For something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A you would only need a few cleared contractors for every packet.
The warrant seems to be more an exchange level log/link/tap just on your line and seems to need hands on efforts or internal legally cleared US admin paperwork.
Roving taps, sneak and peek and other PATRIOT Act fun seems to be lost in the funding mix?
So we can look back at this one too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_bribery_scandals ?
A few French links make US "pre-encryption stage access" all good again?
US rights getting an "end run" in some legal "team sport" sounds likes your rights have a sporting chance rather than any legal standing.
Yes fred it is getting 1984 "We've always been at war with Eastasia" silly:)
A database of skilled individuals to take on the Soviets in Afghanistan.
A database of skilled individuals to take on Serbia in what was left of ~Yugoslavia.
A database of skilled individuals to take on Russia in ~Chechnya.
A database of skilled individuals to take on Iran via covert actions.
Then you have evil doers in Iraq, Afghanistan...great for contractors and a few political/mil careers.
Who in a few years become democratic freedom fighters in Libya, Syria.
All needing black budgets, arms, banking support for drug sales and other expert help.
Funny how people get so lost in the Iraq, Afghanistan aspect. Syria is where the freedom fighter cash is now:)
Cobol seems to be doing its job just fine, all the freedom fighters seem to be getting their funds as always.
The ammo count and reload time of defence systems, computer tracking issues started to add up around the 1980-2000.
Limited target handling capability and real time/real world lock on can be an issue.
The UK learned this in the Falklands with radar clutter.
The international press and French press seemed to know what was been done with post ww2 French torture.
Like the Germans in ww2 they had a good file system and small numbers of experts per region.
The French used torture as it was what had worked for the Germans in occupied Europe - it bought the French political system time to 'think'.
Night raids and black sites work short term but the number of pick ups that become life changing start to add up.
The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_of_Algiers movie and the Pentagon screening was interesting too.
Social network analysis software used for counter-insurgencies sounds like something from Vietnam 2.0 thinking.
We now really understand the physical and financial drug trail into our country and have the faces for all middle and high ranking professional networks.
Release the vans for massive dawn raids.
As the above is been planned, funded, rolled out every corrupt cop, fed, lawyer, journalist and judge is going to be setting up urgent meetings.
Ideas about voice prints, facial recognition, internet hacking, banking, aircraft been tracked, total ongoing surveillance teams are not new.
Once sub sections of criminal network are taken down the internal questions start.
Was it the bank, the phone, a new deal, a new face, an old face, a map from a new gunshot detection systems induced a clean outside task force?
If digital networks become useless, all meetings are face to face, if the face is new and the slag/recommendation out by weeks or months questions are asked.
The UK tried the GCHQ via court friendly new departments to offer world wide tracking, quality decryption and other innovative services well outside spy cases.
Corrupt cops and corrupt press quickly understood the changes and efforts by the clandestine services would have been exposed or become near useless.
Cross examination in open court gets interesting when the 'expert' has no past or academic standing yet the court seems to 'just' trust them as no other expert would be.
The other option is to close the court but that gets every corrupt cop, fed, lawyer, journalist running to every journalist who ever wrote about 'freedoms' with the story of the decade in near print ready draft form.
The UK used a gigantic grid of blockhouses in the Boer War ~1901 and camps to 'win'.
An old method but to run that on your domestic population is rather final. Your police have to be run as undercover agents or in SWAT convoys.
If advancement is only by number of raids, arrests and frisks the only win is for the people selling the tracking software.
Communism and fascism each offered members a vision of saints, martyrs, a structure to climb and a vision of a better world.
ie you are born into it or work your way up, cult like, a secret society, uniforms, rank, structure, real power, wealth.
You also had people in/around the time of war making very personal choices. If you sell out or are a true believer life would have been interesting or a bit better or old rivals could be settled with.
ie your list is surrounded by death, riots, small wars, hunger, the fog of war in the 1920-40's or faith.
A personal experience of a massacre, been almost killed, been told to kill, been drunk on power, been free to enjoy a lifestyle during and after a war.
Snowden just went to the press.
Yes hiring has always been the key to past quality at the GCHQ and NSA.
The person has their life story looked at:
The parents get interviewed, the primary school teachers, high school teachers, college friends, close family, extended family.
Dusty small towns, hours driving until the person passes or an interview gets interesting.
You do the same for the family of the person.
What happened in the USA over the past ~10 years? They seem to have caught the 1930's English problem - too fast, a system (education, family name, political connections, boss) can totally vouch for any persons character.
The US needed cloud experts, translators, black site operators- with a well connected boss offering to vouch for a persons character after a digital file search over a few US databases.
Once in the system the person has to be cared for, advancement offered, more education, good pay and be sheltered from the reality of death squads/freedom fighters.
The US has 10 years of people who where never really cleared, who may have lied about their educational background or have lifestyles that make them very open to any form of long term or short term blackmail.
What can the US gov do?
Use mil staff to clear private contractors with higher security clearances than they have? That would get political and favours would be called in for group clearances due to past 'excellence'.
Use private contractors that are really 'trustworthy' to clear other private contractors? That would get political and favours would be called in for group clearances due to past 'excellence'.
The UK had internal issues from 1940-1980's due to a lack of vetting. What can the USA do? Stop the cloud projects? Pay off the contractors for 10-20 years work and do basic security for years?
The US might be trying another trick of on the job clearances. Give the person 'junk', move them around the world a few times and make a few passes, see if they sell out, if not, higher security clearances.
Finding people tempted by sex or cash will not make up for basic background work.
Re 'citations please' by the AC:
Costas Tsalikidis, the Greek telco whistleblower was found hanged in his apartment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kostas_Tsalikidis
Exposed tapping mobile phones of members of the cabinet, the Prime Minister, and hundreds of others via foreign “interception” software.
Adamo Bove head of security at Telecom Italia who exposed the CIA renditions via cell phone log in court ‘fell’ to his death. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SISMI-Telecom_scandal
Illegal domestic surveillance program on politicians, magistrates.
Deborah Jeane Palfrey, the D.C. Madam was found hanged. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_Jeane_Palfrey
David Kelly and the prewar intelligence Britain had on Iraq.
NSA security was "magic", just like East German spies in the West could be assured that their details would never be lost.
The "magic" both sides used was simple. Every project was cut up into tiny details no one person could walk out with.
Why was this done? East German lost its spy network list after a trip to West Berlin by one person who requested their own exit visa.
After that East Germany got very creative with putting a spy codename, address and ongoing mission into massive near useless paper filesystems.
Only with face to face meetings could parts be collected and connected.
East Germany later went digital and all the spies names where recovered by the CIA in the late 1980's.
The US did the same with its very advanced computer files systems. Until massive cloud like networks where demanded by outsiders about 10-20 years ago it seems.
Re "suppose to be highly compartmentalized" would be for per person clearance and project access.
Snowden was not just a person on the Russia desk, a cryptologist, translator or other user of the NSA cloud.
Over time he would have come to understand that searches would lock down or trigger investigations.
As an admin tasked to look after networks/cloud and connect or disconnect users to a certain clearance level - he would have come in allowable contact with a lot of projects for a short time.
How or why the NSA would be so trusting with its cloud and outside contractors given its own understanding of past walkouts from other agencies is strange.
Its not for you.
If you entered state politics with a small family fortune and worked your way up to the national level - contracting and business opportunities for your 'family~congressional staff' would be available.
What federal law used to call insider trading is now very legal for congressional staff.
The problem is other gov workers, celebrities, private press, trade organisations, disruptive technology firms, smaller arms dealers, diplomatic staff, dissidents, protesters, trade unions and other community groups seem to notice the changes.
They find people willing to talk, write reports use digital communications to try and understand what is going on as they are now facing strange cartels, monopolies and no-bid contracts in areas that where open to bids, contracts.
Information awareness has allowed some to make millions of $ turn into 100's of millions in a very short period of time.
Information awareness has allowed some to keep 100's of millions from the US press.
Information awareness ensures any release of information can be stopped or fragmented if released.
The system stops the crime of disclosure and allows time for any person been exposed to intervene over a longer time.
Talking to a journalist about scandal becomes "leaking information" and the whistleblowers can then face changes.
Re I don't see NSA listed as being part of the fusion centers in your Wiki link.
Think of it as a partnership of more than 16 agencies under one government organisation.
So you will not see a huge list of every agency on a simple Wiki link covering the term as not all will have same funding/local support at this time.
As more cash flows, more fusion centers will get their full support vs the larger regional centers that got the full list of agencies and early on.
You would need a new filesystem too. Mac, Windows, Linux seems to be well understood for in the wild issues or ongoing 'ready for' software key logging efforts.
Laws and requirements like the The Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) gave the USA all the hardware and software help they needed.
What any domestic US agency can get, any other US agency can get.
All the fear of encryption exports seemed to stop and the US tech press got lost in nice new toys.
Now we know why, the change over from setting encryption standards to just having a legal entry into domestic and export hardware and software.
Its never the patches, it was always the OS.
http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/pdfs/95nsa.pdf
"In the development of the DES, NSA convinced IBM that a reduced key size was sufficient"
"However, the very uncertainty and ambiguity surrounding cryptology has prompted some NSA officials to express concern to NSF about certain grants with cryptological ramifications and to suggest that NSA be involved in reviewing these proposals."
Re:"The local police and FBI go after ordinary criminal activity, and play by the criminal law rules."
The role of a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_center has changed that dynamic bringing the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), U.S. Department of Justice, U.S. military and others together under one roof. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/06/opinion/the-cia-and-the-nypd.html?_r=0
Dont worry embedded CIA with local police was only "irregular personnel practices" more a “perception” issue.
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Even the low end, small brand prosumer/business grade ethernet, quality firewall with wireless and 3G dongle units seem to send something back.
Forums usually have the question why is my new, quality firewall phoning home?
Its only an anonymous diagnostic tool that cant be turned off and users are to be thankful for the low cost of the unit, low power usage, cool running and great support... cpu and memory is great too...
Its a "hey, we got funding for this fancy new tech!" race. Once you get your tech into a sub set of larger US states, many will follow. You can lock out the competition for generations as been one of the first and ensure you stay one of the few certified national providers.
Its a race worth funding at cost per university and with a national roll out as the prize.
As for why, you can prevent substitute test takers for all exams, timed tests or practicals in classes with many 100's of students.
Re: If you want to use cell phones
They will still get you from the numbers you ring and sooner or later get your voice print due to the contacts made.
Say you ring 20 people. 2 could be undercover or turned - all logged. 1 could be known and under active surveillance.
If a 3G data connection was not easy to track it would have never been adopted as a standard.
The standard would have been send back to the developers until the US/UK govs where happy with it ie keep amateur scanners out, gov gets it all.
Powerful computers and voice-recognition software allowed for sigint to got vast upgrades in ~2005 for the UK.
Deep packet sniffers seem to have been added too under "maintaining the capability" from classic taps.
Everything that nation states had for war 10 years ago is now up for sale to federal task forces and city/state use depending on federal funding.
Yes its some form of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocletian#Great_Persecution
Now we have a no papers needed to fly plot, in the past you just watched some property burn.
No Spyware shall, in time of peace be loaded in any PC, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
US govt views privacy-enhancing encryption without a US back door as an illegal weapon.
You can export and offer all the strong encryption you like and present it internationally.
The text or voice or data entry would be on MS or some other US OS/hardware.
The cloud 'key' better turn it back to plain text on a US server.
You data is safe in transit, never safe at each US end.
Think CALEA with extra "illegal weapon" jail time if you or your company does not want to sit down and play nice.
The Prism aspect seems to be a 24/7 open pipe for the FBI links/launders/obfuscates to the NSA.
For something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A you would only need a few cleared contractors for every packet.
The warrant seems to be more an exchange level log/link/tap just on your line and seems to need hands on efforts or internal legally cleared US admin paperwork.
Roving taps, sneak and peek and other PATRIOT Act fun seems to be lost in the funding mix?
So we can look back at this one too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_bribery_scandals ?
A few French links make US "pre-encryption stage access" all good again?
US rights getting an "end run" in some legal "team sport" sounds likes your rights have a sporting chance rather than any legal standing.
Yes fred it is getting 1984 "We've always been at war with Eastasia" silly :) :)
A database of skilled individuals to take on the Soviets in Afghanistan.
A database of skilled individuals to take on Serbia in what was left of ~Yugoslavia.
A database of skilled individuals to take on Russia in ~Chechnya.
A database of skilled individuals to take on Iran via covert actions.
Then you have evil doers in Iraq, Afghanistan...great for contractors and a few political/mil careers.
Who in a few years become democratic freedom fighters in Libya, Syria.
All needing black budgets, arms, banking support for drug sales and other expert help.
Funny how people get so lost in the Iraq, Afghanistan aspect. Syria is where the freedom fighter cash is now
Cobol seems to be doing its job just fine, all the freedom fighters seem to be getting their funds as always.
The ammo count and reload time of defence systems, computer tracking issues started to add up around the 1980-2000.
Limited target handling capability and real time/real world lock on can be an issue.
The UK learned this in the Falklands with radar clutter.
The international press and French press seemed to know what was been done with post ww2 French torture.
Like the Germans in ww2 they had a good file system and small numbers of experts per region.
The French used torture as it was what had worked for the Germans in occupied Europe - it bought the French political system time to 'think'.
Night raids and black sites work short term but the number of pick ups that become life changing start to add up.
The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_of_Algiers movie and the Pentagon screening was interesting too.
Social network analysis software used for counter-insurgencies sounds like something from Vietnam 2.0 thinking.
We now really understand the physical and financial drug trail into our country and have the faces for all middle and high ranking professional networks.
Release the vans for massive dawn raids.
As the above is been planned, funded, rolled out every corrupt cop, fed, lawyer, journalist and judge is going to be setting up urgent meetings.
Ideas about voice prints, facial recognition, internet hacking, banking, aircraft been tracked, total ongoing surveillance teams are not new.
Once sub sections of criminal network are taken down the internal questions start.
Was it the bank, the phone, a new deal, a new face, an old face, a map from a new gunshot detection systems induced a clean outside task force?
If digital networks become useless, all meetings are face to face, if the face is new and the slag/recommendation out by weeks or months questions are asked.
The UK tried the GCHQ via court friendly new departments to offer world wide tracking, quality decryption and other innovative services well outside spy cases.
Corrupt cops and corrupt press quickly understood the changes and efforts by the clandestine services would have been exposed or become near useless.
Cross examination in open court gets interesting when the 'expert' has no past or academic standing yet the court seems to 'just' trust them as no other expert would be.
The other option is to close the court but that gets every corrupt cop, fed, lawyer, journalist running to every journalist who ever wrote about 'freedoms' with the story of the decade in near print ready draft form.
The UK used a gigantic grid of blockhouses in the Boer War ~1901 and camps to 'win'.
An old method but to run that on your domestic population is rather final. Your police have to be run as undercover agents or in SWAT convoys.
If advancement is only by number of raids, arrests and frisks the only win is for the people selling the tracking software.
Communism and fascism each offered members a vision of saints, martyrs, a structure to climb and a vision of a better world.
ie you are born into it or work your way up, cult like, a secret society, uniforms, rank, structure, real power, wealth.
You also had people in/around the time of war making very personal choices. If you sell out or are a true believer life would have been interesting or a bit better or old rivals could be settled with.
ie your list is surrounded by death, riots, small wars, hunger, the fog of war in the 1920-40's or faith.
A personal experience of a massacre, been almost killed, been told to kill, been drunk on power, been free to enjoy a lifestyle during and after a war.
Snowden just went to the press.
Yes hiring has always been the key to past quality at the GCHQ and NSA.
The person has their life story looked at:
The parents get interviewed, the primary school teachers, high school teachers, college friends, close family, extended family. Dusty small towns, hours driving until the person passes or an interview gets interesting. You do the same for the family of the person.
What happened in the USA over the past ~10 years? They seem to have caught the 1930's English problem - too fast, a system (education, family name, political connections, boss) can totally vouch for any persons character.
The US needed cloud experts, translators, black site operators- with a well connected boss offering to vouch for a persons character after a digital file search over a few US databases.
Once in the system the person has to be cared for, advancement offered, more education, good pay and be sheltered from the reality of death squads/freedom fighters.
The US has 10 years of people who where never really cleared, who may have lied about their educational background or have lifestyles that make them very open to any form of long term or short term blackmail.
What can the US gov do?
Use mil staff to clear private contractors with higher security clearances than they have? That would get political and favours would be called in for group clearances due to past 'excellence'.
Use private contractors that are really 'trustworthy' to clear other private contractors? That would get political and favours would be called in for group clearances due to past 'excellence'.
The UK had internal issues from 1940-1980's due to a lack of vetting. What can the USA do? Stop the cloud projects? Pay off the contractors for 10-20 years work and do basic security for years?
The US might be trying another trick of on the job clearances. Give the person 'junk', move them around the world a few times and make a few passes, see if they sell out, if not, higher security clearances.
Finding people tempted by sex or cash will not make up for basic background work.
Re 'citations please' by the AC:
Costas Tsalikidis, the Greek telco whistleblower was found hanged in his apartment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kostas_Tsalikidis
Exposed tapping mobile phones of members of the cabinet, the Prime Minister, and hundreds of others via foreign “interception” software.
Adamo Bove head of security at Telecom Italia who exposed the CIA renditions via cell phone log in court ‘fell’ to his death.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SISMI-Telecom_scandal
Illegal domestic surveillance program on politicians, magistrates.
Deborah Jeane Palfrey, the D.C. Madam was found hanged.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_Jeane_Palfrey
David Kelly and the prewar intelligence Britain had on Iraq.
NSA security was "magic", just like East German spies in the West could be assured that their details would never be lost.
The "magic" both sides used was simple. Every project was cut up into tiny details no one person could walk out with.
Why was this done? East German lost its spy network list after a trip to West Berlin by one person who requested their own exit visa.
After that East Germany got very creative with putting a spy codename, address and ongoing mission into massive near useless paper filesystems.
Only with face to face meetings could parts be collected and connected.
East Germany later went digital and all the spies names where recovered by the CIA in the late 1980's.
The US did the same with its very advanced computer files systems. Until massive cloud like networks where demanded by outsiders about 10-20 years ago it seems.
Re "suppose to be highly compartmentalized" would be for per person clearance and project access.
Snowden was not just a person on the Russia desk, a cryptologist, translator or other user of the NSA cloud.
Over time he would have come to understand that searches would lock down or trigger investigations.
As an admin tasked to look after networks/cloud and connect or disconnect users to a certain clearance level - he would have come in allowable contact with a lot of projects for a short time.
How or why the NSA would be so trusting with its cloud and outside contractors given its own understanding of past walkouts from other agencies is strange.
Try http://www.cfr.org/intelligence/fusion-centers/p12689 for the layers of funding, state "fusion-centers" vs federal "fusion-centers" ideas/overlap and other federal efforts.
Its not for you.
If you entered state politics with a small family fortune and worked your way up to the national level - contracting and business opportunities for your 'family~congressional staff' would be available.
What federal law used to call insider trading is now very legal for congressional staff.
The problem is other gov workers, celebrities, private press, trade organisations, disruptive technology firms, smaller arms dealers, diplomatic staff, dissidents, protesters, trade unions and other community groups seem to notice the changes.
They find people willing to talk, write reports use digital communications to try and understand what is going on as they are now facing strange cartels, monopolies and no-bid contracts in areas that where open to bids, contracts.
Information awareness has allowed some to make millions of $ turn into 100's of millions in a very short period of time.
Information awareness has allowed some to keep 100's of millions from the US press.
Information awareness ensures any release of information can be stopped or fragmented if released.
The system stops the crime of disclosure and allows time for any person been exposed to intervene over a longer time.
Talking to a journalist about scandal becomes "leaking information" and the whistleblowers can then face changes.
Re I don't see NSA listed as being part of the fusion centers in your Wiki link.
Think of it as a partnership of more than 16 agencies under one government organisation.
So you will not see a huge list of every agency on a simple Wiki link covering the term as not all will have same funding/local support at this time.
As more cash flows, more fusion centers will get their full support vs the larger regional centers that got the full list of agencies and early on.
Do you fear doing nothing? ;) )
US data collection was all in the open over years of CS/telco history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_CHAOS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MERRIMAC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_RESISTANCE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Core
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/04/18/patriot_games
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_SHAMROCK (just an exercise
later http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MINARET
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_and_Mitchell_defection
1960: "As we know from our previous experience working at N.S.A., the United States successfully reads the secure communications of more than forty nations, including its own allies."
ie tame US based OS makers, cell phone hardware as you enter your message before it hits any encryption efforts.
Some journalism is really turning up to an invite only event, getting the press kit, photo work and making sure the print/website and blog are pretty. As for the US brands, they know what they did and now the world knows to be careful about what OS or apps they use.
People will explore their hosting, server options and software with more care, buying local.
You would need a new filesystem too. Mac, Windows, Linux seems to be well understood for in the wild issues or ongoing 'ready for' software key logging efforts.
Laws and requirements like the The Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) gave the USA all the hardware and software help they needed.
What any domestic US agency can get, any other US agency can get.
All the fear of encryption exports seemed to stop and the US tech press got lost in nice new toys.
Now we know why, the change over from setting encryption standards to just having a legal entry into domestic and export hardware and software.
Its never the patches, it was always the OS.
http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/pdfs/95nsa.pdf
"In the development of the DES, NSA convinced IBM that a reduced key size was sufficient"
"However, the very uncertainty and ambiguity surrounding cryptology has prompted some NSA officials to express concern to NSF about certain grants with cryptological ramifications and to suggest that NSA be involved in reviewing these proposals."
Re:"The local police and FBI go after ordinary criminal activity, and play by the criminal law rules."
The role of a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_center has changed that dynamic bringing the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), U.S. Department of Justice, U.S. military and others together under one roof.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/06/opinion/the-cia-and-the-nypd.html?_r=0
Dont worry embedded CIA with local police was only "irregular personnel practices" more a “perception” issue.