OK. I see no problem with geeks finding other systems which fit their needs better. It's always been this way, and Ubuntu is under no illusions in this regard (though I don't really see the reason either, it's not as if Arch or FreeBSD is going to maintain Gnome 2, and practically any other GUI is just as installable on Ubuntu).
As for Mint, are you talking about the new one, 12? That certainly may be a good choice for some users, though compared to Ubuntu's polish it's just plain ugly and they need to pick up considerably in the long run IMHO if they want to stand a chance. Anyway, I'm sure down the line Mint will make some decision which will send the same/. folks into hysteric convulsions like Ubuntu has done now. History repeats itself and there is always a new darling, remember the Ubuntu hype.
This is not what Canonical is about, they are very clear about it, and whether you agree with them or not is obviously your choice. Time will tell, but I don't believe for a second that Mint currently has user numbers in the same order of magnitude as Ubuntu.
And puleeeze, converted relatives who turn to Arch and FreeBSD. Yeah right. (Plus I have my own anecdotes of relatives I converted who love Unity, so there. )
Whether Facebook is significant depends on your target audience. It's fine if you want Linux to stay in the geek ghetto, but that's not Ubuntu's goal and you know it. I suppose the access numbers from the Distrowatch homepage and Wikimedia don't fit your agenda, so you just ignore them, but tell me, how does your claim fit the fact that according to Distrowatch popularity numbers, your likely source, Ubuntu has been declining from day 1.
Funny, since the common saying about Ubuntu from the start was "Debian done right wrt multimedia". And you know that Mint is based on Ubuntu, yes? (Plus, of course "Mint routed Ubuntu" is most likely untrue, but in any case cannot be concluded from the Distrowatch ranking, like you probably try to do. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/dare-to-be-different-ubuntus-popularity-is-not-declining/ )
"Evidenced" on Distrowatch? Whatever the real and difficult to measure popularity of various distros is, the ranking on Distrowatch in no way can measure it for the simple reason that all it counts is the number of clicks onto the distro links on Distrowatch itself. This is not a significant sample. This was established sufficiently in the numerous Unity hate stories of the past months. If we use Distrowatch, we must conclude that the popularity of Ubuntu has steadily declined from the very first release, which is obviously untrue. Read http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/dare-to-be-different-ubuntus-popularity-is-not-declining/
Funny thing is, I am at a very nice beach. Well not while I typed the posts yesterday evening, at the time I was at the apartment 100 meters from the beach. Bikini models are a bit lacking in numbers though. Oh well, I guess I will back my surfboard now, walk down to the water, and forget about all that. Note to self: shut off data roaming from now on. Cheers.
Having slept over it, I think my problem is not the mix of latin and greek roots, but a latin root that morphed into a contemporary english word, and the result mixed with a greek root. I know, still personal aesthetics, but corpocracy would be more in line with how the other "*cracy" terms are formed, and less cumbersome to pronounce and type. But I'll give it a rest now, thanks for your understanding....
Point taken. Still ugly though, being cobbled together from a mix of latin and greek roots by someone with no feel for language. Somatocracy doesn't do it either, unfortunately. I give up:)
I suggest we stop if the new term is redundant. What's wrong with "corporate oligarchy"? And that if we do invent new terms, I'd prefer them to be pronounceable and not ugly.
Normally not a grammar nazi, but this is the second time I saw the difficult to pronounce and redundant neologism "corporatocracy" used on Slashdot, and yesterday was the first time. So before this gets out of hand, can we please stick to plutocracy, oligarchy, and plutarchy, like we have for the past few millenia?
Simple way to do away with all the pesky rights people have in public spaces: sell the public spaces to private investors, who can then make up arbitrary rules. E.g., in Berlin, Germany, the city council sold the Potsdamer Platz to investors (Sony, Daimler) because it could not be bothered with restoring this important and historic public space to its former glory, after it had been dormant for decades as it lay right at the inner-German border. Until the separation of Germany, Potsdamer Platz had been the urban center of Germany's capital, with all that goes with that. When you enter "Sony Center" today, you are informed by signs that you are not allowed to linger, not allowed to play music, not allowed to express political opinion, etc.
The GEMA concept is bullshit, based on the outdated and notion that only a handful of musicians exist and make money from their work. It's completely unworkable in today's society.
And in a weird coincidence, the band "Mutter" ("Mother") releases all their work through their own company, "Die eigene Gesellschaft" (roughly, "Our own society/company", it has a double meaning in German), made a point of opting out of GEMA (which is super difficult, like many other posts in this story explain), and prefixes their Youtube videos with a screen that spoofs GEMA's infuriating one, which all German Youtube users know so well because it blocks the vast majority of videos which contain music for German users.
Mutter spoof, reading 'Due to rights held by "Our own society", this video is available at any time. Have fun'.
GEMA block screen reading, "Unfortunately this video is not available in Germany, because it might contain music for which GEMA has not granted the required rights. We are sorry about that."
The "show time" option is right there if you either rightclick or leftclick the battery indicator. At least this is so in 11.10, but I'm quite sure that it was in 11.04 as well.
True about the battery tooltip, but you can have its info included in the applet directly ("Show time in menu bar"), so I don't know how terrible that really is. I mean, yeah, I can understand a slight annoyance about any change, but if we go into minute details like that there is an infinite supply - the designers will always have to make some choices.
What about the bluetooth icon? I continue to have it and while I rarely use bluetooth it seems to me the actual features haven't changed (?)
Yeah, I agree. Even if one reads the easy-to-miss text it is not all that clear that "large deployments" might also apply to single users with similar requirements.
To each his own, I just don't understand why anyone would want to relearn his APT tool set and other debianisms to deal with yum/rpm and the Redhat way of doing things just because of a gnome-shell download being required in Ubuntu. Makes no sense to me, that's all. And also, if Ubuntu's stability/regressions is an issue for someone, how a move to Fedora, which is officially just a Beta for Redhat, would help with that.
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OK. I see no problem with geeks finding other systems which fit their needs better. It's always been this way, and Ubuntu is under no illusions in this regard (though I don't really see the reason either, it's not as if Arch or FreeBSD is going to maintain Gnome 2, and practically any other GUI is just as installable on Ubuntu).
As for Mint, are you talking about the new one, 12? That certainly may be a good choice for some users, though compared to Ubuntu's polish it's just plain ugly and they need to pick up considerably in the long run IMHO if they want to stand a chance. Anyway, I'm sure down the line Mint will make some decision which will send the same /. folks into hysteric convulsions like Ubuntu has done now. History repeats itself and there is always a new darling, remember the Ubuntu hype.
This is not what Canonical is about, they are very clear about it, and whether you agree with them or not is obviously your choice. Time will tell, but I don't believe for a second that Mint currently has user numbers in the same order of magnitude as Ubuntu.
And puleeeze, converted relatives who turn to Arch and FreeBSD. Yeah right. (Plus I have my own anecdotes of relatives I converted who love Unity, so there. )
Whether Facebook is significant depends on your target audience. It's fine if you want Linux to stay in the geek ghetto, but that's not Ubuntu's goal and you know it. I suppose the access numbers from the Distrowatch homepage and Wikimedia don't fit your agenda, so you just ignore them, but tell me, how does your claim fit the fact that according to Distrowatch popularity numbers, your likely source, Ubuntu has been declining from day 1.
Funny, since the common saying about Ubuntu from the start was "Debian done right wrt multimedia". And you know that Mint is based on Ubuntu, yes? (Plus, of course "Mint routed Ubuntu" is most likely untrue, but in any case cannot be concluded from the Distrowatch ranking, like you probably try to do. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/dare-to-be-different-ubuntus-popularity-is-not-declining/ )
Unity has very capable keyboard shortcuts. Try the first Google hit for Unity+Keyboard+Shortcuts, http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/what-are-unitys-keyboard-and-mouse-shortcuts
"Evidenced" on Distrowatch? Whatever the real and difficult to measure popularity of various distros is, the ranking on Distrowatch in no way can measure it for the simple reason that all it counts is the number of clicks onto the distro links on Distrowatch itself. This is not a significant sample. This was established sufficiently in the numerous Unity hate stories of the past months. If we use Distrowatch, we must conclude that the popularity of Ubuntu has steadily declined from the very first release, which is obviously untrue. Read http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/dare-to-be-different-ubuntus-popularity-is-not-declining/
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Funny thing is, I am at a very nice beach. Well not while I typed the posts yesterday evening, at the time I was at the apartment 100 meters from the beach. Bikini models are a bit lacking in numbers though. Oh well, I guess I will back my surfboard now, walk down to the water, and forget about all that. Note to self: shut off data roaming from now on. Cheers.
Having slept over it, I think my problem is not the mix of latin and greek roots, but a latin root that morphed into a contemporary english word, and the result mixed with a greek root. I know, still personal aesthetics, but corpocracy would be more in line with how the other "*cracy" terms are formed, and less cumbersome to pronounce and type. But I'll give it a rest now, thanks for your understanding ....
Yeah, I've conceded, see sibling thread. That's what I get for a foray into grammar nazism. I still find the word ugly, but what can I do.
True, I just find the word ugly, it's a personal thing I guess.
Point taken. Still ugly though, being cobbled together from a mix of latin and greek roots by someone with no feel for language. Somatocracy doesn't do it either, unfortunately. I give up :)
"plutarchy of artificial non-citizen people".
Corporate oligarchy.
I suggest we stop if the new term is redundant. What's wrong with "corporate oligarchy"? And that if we do invent new terms, I'd prefer them to be pronounceable and not ugly.
Normally not a grammar nazi, but this is the second time I saw the difficult to pronounce and redundant neologism "corporatocracy" used on Slashdot, and yesterday was the first time. So before this gets out of hand, can we please stick to plutocracy, oligarchy, and plutarchy, like we have for the past few millenia?
Mathematics.
Simple way to do away with all the pesky rights people have in public spaces: sell the public spaces to private investors, who can then make up arbitrary rules. E.g., in Berlin, Germany, the city council sold the Potsdamer Platz to investors (Sony, Daimler) because it could not be bothered with restoring this important and historic public space to its former glory, after it had been dormant for decades as it lay right at the inner-German border. Until the separation of Germany, Potsdamer Platz had been the urban center of Germany's capital, with all that goes with that. When you enter "Sony Center" today, you are informed by signs that you are not allowed to linger, not allowed to play music, not allowed to express political opinion, etc.
I think you are right there. I was just replying to the UID Qbertino who thought that the concept isn't all too bad.
The GEMA concept is bullshit, based on the outdated and notion that only a handful of musicians exist and make money from their work. It's completely unworkable in today's society.
And in a weird coincidence, the band "Mutter" ("Mother") releases all their work through their own company, "Die eigene Gesellschaft" (roughly, "Our own society/company", it has a double meaning in German), made a point of opting out of GEMA (which is super difficult, like many other posts in this story explain), and prefixes their Youtube videos with a screen that spoofs GEMA's infuriating one, which all German Youtube users know so well because it blocks the vast majority of videos which contain music for German users.
Mutter spoof, reading 'Due to rights held by "Our own society", this video is available at any time. Have fun'.
GEMA block screen reading, "Unfortunately this video is not available in Germany, because it might contain music for which GEMA has not granted the required rights. We are sorry about that."
I just bought an album a few weeks ago and the mp3s were VBR with ~170-~205.
The "show time" option is right there if you either rightclick or leftclick the battery indicator. At least this is so in 11.10, but I'm quite sure that it was in 11.04 as well.
True about the battery tooltip, but you can have its info included in the applet directly ("Show time in menu bar"), so I don't know how terrible that really is. I mean, yeah, I can understand a slight annoyance about any change, but if we go into minute details like that there is an infinite supply - the designers will always have to make some choices.
What about the bluetooth icon? I continue to have it and while I rarely use bluetooth it seems to me the actual features haven't changed (?)
Yeah, I agree. Even if one reads the easy-to-miss text it is not all that clear that "large deployments" might also apply to single users with similar requirements.
To each his own, I just don't understand why anyone would want to relearn his APT tool set and other debianisms to deal with yum/rpm and the Redhat way of doing things just because of a gnome-shell download being required in Ubuntu. Makes no sense to me, that's all. And also, if Ubuntu's stability/regressions is an issue for someone, how a move to Fedora, which is officially just a Beta for Redhat, would help with that.