Lotuses are way cool, no doubt, and their dedication to light weight construction should become more important again. But it's not as if Tesla has done something revolutionary. Sports cars rebuilt with ultimately unsuitable battery concepts abound, see e.g., the Ledl Elektro. Tesla were certainly more apt at promoting theirs and trying in California after 2000 probably helped, as compared to Austria in the eighties;)
Interesting, and the guy in the article seems to talk about the same experience. Consider yourself envied.
Re:How do you smell space?
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The Smell of Space
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If you've ever been in an acoustically-isolated chamber, the silence is so overwhelming that it almost has its own sound. We're just not used to such near-perfect silence, so we try to interpret the novelty as a sound.
I thought what you hear is the sound of yourself? You know, blood streaming and stuff. Ah, right, here we go.
Um, we were not talking about the version numbers of a particular piece of software. OBVIOUSLY they tell you something and are pretty straightforward to interpret.
We were talking about competing products. Like choosing IE 6 over FF 3 because it has a higher number.
Well, ok, that's sad in its own right. However, the linked page does not say who these people where who asked,
"why isn't yours 6.x" or worse "when will you upgrade to Linux 6.0"
. The original question was "who makes a choice solely based on version number", and I doubt that even those inquirers did, if they made a choice to switch at all. Maybe they were simply journalists or something.
Now, if your research showed there were two products that might do what you want: Foo v1.01 and Bar v6.0. Which one would you choose, based solely on version number?
But who would choose based solely on the version number?
If you're going to avoid things that are controlled by huge corporations, then make sure not to use any electricity, fill your car up with gas, or fly on a commercial airplane. Maybe your best option would be to dig a hole, jump in it, and wait for the apocalypse.
He said "content", not "things". +1 Insightful, my ass.
Can't speak for the OP, but I'm in a similar boat. The thing is: I don't care. As with books and music, there exists more than an order of magnitude more stuff than I can ever hope to read/listen to/play. If something does not exist for my player, I just read/listen to/play something else. I imagine there could be very rare exceptions for which I'd by into new player tech, but so far not.
Depends on the dates of their next releases, I would think. Ubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) might have a fighting chance to have it included in its release at the end of October, there are already testing previews (ppa's). But then, 8.10 is an in-between release that does not promise maximum correctness, so they can afford to take some risks.
I think the Dell business laptops have still a choice of XP, for the known reasons. I'm comparing XP because I simply have no clue about Vista, and frankly believe that it is pretty irrelevant. Most people hate it, and try to avoid it where possible. Also, the installed base is insignificant compared to XP. And netbooks always come with XP.
I don't think it is a weird comparison at all. While newer OSes tend to have higher system requirements, I simply expect OSes to try and maximize battery life if they are installed on laptops. And there is a choice of 2 Windows OSes that are not EOL, so I compare the better fit. Oh, and newer linux distros need faster systems, sure, but they _also_ are friendlier to the battery.
Regarding OEM configurations, how exactly are they configured for smart power usage? And thanks for the phoronix link.
I have never even seen Vista from less than a meter away (and that only once), so I can't comment. I can, however, compare XP and various Debian and Ubuntu versions that I ran on several Compaq and HP laptop types in the last 6 years or so, currently on an HP nc6400. And there, Windows beats Linux, even though it is a corporate Windows install that runs lots of services (anti-spyware, corporate software distribution, etc.) in the background. I have also looked into Netbooks recently, and those that come with a choice of XP or Linux always claim longer battery life with XP (but I didn't buy yet and so can't give real-life impressions.)
I don't have a link at hand, but I am quite sure that I read repeatedly that at least standard distros lose against XP in battery life. IIRC that was partly because of daemons (updatedb and the like), but partly also because of the kernel.
The "Linux Rescues Battery Life on Vista" story does not apply, as you will see if you look closer. It is about new Dell laptops featuring an embedded minimal linux that you can boot alternatively to Vista, which lets you watch a video or get online and check your mail. That's hardly comparable to a fully-featured OS.
If you're using a laptop (or any desktop more recent than 2000) you have a 99.99% chance of hibernation working flawlessly in any Linux distro
Yeah, please continue pulling numbers out of your ass. I never had reliable hibernation on the 3 HP laptops I used since 2000.
The kernel/Linux has long been doing an excellent job on using power-saving features of processors and peripherals.
Windows consistently gets longer life out of a battery. Simply compare the numbers for laptops that are offered with both Linux and Windows installed, or test for yourself.
Re:Not in upcoming Debian
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I'm sorry but I have replaced Debian with something better, and I think you would see it too if you knew what you were missing.
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The mining alone is not benign. We are talking about lots of batteries here.
Lotuses are way cool, no doubt, and their dedication to light weight construction should become more important again. But it's not as if Tesla has done something revolutionary. Sports cars rebuilt with ultimately unsuitable battery concepts abound, see e.g., the Ledl Elektro. Tesla were certainly more apt at promoting theirs and trying in California after 2000 probably helped, as compared to Austria in the eighties ;)
Tesla was building something amazing.
A Lotus with lots of mobile phone batteries thrown in that would become an environmental nightmare if it caught on in the mass market. Goodbye Tesla.
One would expect, but the renaming was in the heydey of the dotcom bubble.
Interesting, and the guy in the article seems to talk about the same experience. Consider yourself envied.
If you've ever been in an acoustically-isolated chamber, the silence is so overwhelming that it almost has its own sound. We're just not used to such near-perfect silence, so we try to interpret the novelty as a sound.
I thought what you hear is the sound of yourself? You know, blood streaming and stuff. Ah, right, here we go.
Um, we were not talking about the version numbers of a particular piece of software. OBVIOUSLY they tell you something and are pretty straightforward to interpret.
We were talking about competing products. Like choosing IE 6 over FF 3 because it has a higher number.
Your boss, most likely.
Most certainly not.
Right, I had missed that.
Yeah, but it would still be not your _only_ factor. I assume you would at least try it out. Amazing, isn't it? ;)
I go and read Slashdot if I want to feel good about working at my company :)
Well, ok, that's sad in its own right. However, the linked page does not say who these people where who asked,
"why isn't yours 6.x" or worse "when will you upgrade to Linux 6.0"
. The original question was "who makes a choice solely based on version number", and I doubt that even those inquirers did, if they made a choice to switch at all. Maybe they were simply journalists or something.
Yeah, I expected that answer, but I have never seen a PHB actually making such choices. They employ tech staff, no?
Now, if your research showed there were two products that might do what you want: Foo v1.01 and Bar v6.0. Which one would you choose, based solely on version number?
But who would choose based solely on the version number?
If you're going to avoid things that are controlled by huge corporations, then make sure not to use any electricity, fill your car up with gas, or fly on a commercial airplane. Maybe your best option would be to dig a hole, jump in it, and wait for the apocalypse.
He said "content", not "things". +1 Insightful, my ass.
Can't speak for the OP, but I'm in a similar boat. The thing is: I don't care. As with books and music, there exists more than an order of magnitude more stuff than I can ever hope to read/listen to/play. If something does not exist for my player, I just read/listen to/play something else.
I imagine there could be very rare exceptions for which I'd by into new player tech, but so far not.
Generally speaking the Nobel Peace Prize is given to more left than to the right
What?
Things are very different.
I gotta tell you, being conquered by the commies makes pretty nice living.
Depends on the dates of their next releases, I would think. Ubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) might have a fighting chance to have it included in its release at the end of October, there are already testing previews (ppa's). But then, 8.10 is an in-between release that does not promise maximum correctness, so they can afford to take some risks.
THE ROAD NETWORK IS NOT SECURE
So we can't transfer money by road?
We can, but we better use the proper precautions.
I think the Dell business laptops have still a choice of XP, for the known reasons. I'm comparing XP because I simply have no clue about Vista, and frankly believe that it is pretty irrelevant. Most people hate it, and try to avoid it where possible. Also, the installed base is insignificant compared to XP. And netbooks always come with XP.
I don't think it is a weird comparison at all. While newer OSes tend to have higher system requirements, I simply expect OSes to try and maximize battery life if they are installed on laptops. And there is a choice of 2 Windows OSes that are not EOL, so I compare the better fit. Oh, and newer linux distros need faster systems, sure, but they _also_ are friendlier to the battery.
Regarding OEM configurations, how exactly are they configured for smart power usage?
And thanks for the phoronix link.
I have never even seen Vista from less than a meter away (and that only once), so I can't comment. I can, however, compare XP and various Debian and Ubuntu versions that I ran on several Compaq and HP laptop types in the last 6 years or so, currently on an HP nc6400. And there, Windows beats Linux, even though it is a corporate Windows install that runs lots of services (anti-spyware, corporate software distribution, etc.) in the background.
I have also looked into Netbooks recently, and those that come with a choice of XP or Linux always claim longer battery life with XP (but I didn't buy yet and so can't give real-life impressions.)
I don't have a link at hand, but I am quite sure that I read repeatedly that at least standard distros lose against XP in battery life. IIRC that was partly because of daemons (updatedb and the like), but partly also because of the kernel.
The "Linux Rescues Battery Life on Vista" story does not apply, as you will see if you look closer. It is about new Dell laptops featuring an embedded minimal linux that you can boot alternatively to Vista, which lets you watch a video or get online and check your mail. That's hardly comparable to a fully-featured OS.
If you're using a laptop (or any desktop more recent than 2000) you have a 99.99% chance of hibernation working flawlessly in any Linux distro
Yeah, please continue pulling numbers out of your ass. I never had reliable hibernation on the 3 HP laptops I used since 2000.
The kernel/Linux has long been doing an excellent job on using power-saving features of processors and peripherals.
Windows consistently gets longer life out of a battery. Simply compare the numbers for laptops that are offered with both Linux and Windows installed, or test for yourself.
I'm sorry but I have replaced Debian with something better, and I think you would see it too if you knew what you were missing.
s/better/more appropriate