Look, it is NOT "playing the man". The situation is very simple: a new tech has arrived that can (a) undermine FOSS,and (b) destroy what most of us on/. (and may I add, human rights in western societies) depend on. The OP cheered (a), ignoring (b). I commented, sarcastically, that (a) must be more important to him but (b).
If you are into logical fallacies, please note that nobody so far has even argued my point, its been all about straw men since.
The GPL is there to guarantee the 4 software freedoms to the user. Care for it or not, but tivoization denies them. It was, thus, completely logical for the FSF to come out with GPL3. Don't use it if you don't like it.
If the general purpose computer in the future no longer serves a market need then why should it not perish?
"If the notion of human rights in the future no longer serves a market need then why should it not perish?"
That being said even if open source software did not exist I don't see the general purpose computer going anywhere.
You misunderstood me. The very same hypervisor tech that is described to circumvent the GPL3 can be used to deny you all unsupervised access to your computer whatsoever. Thus the OP shortsightedly cheers RMS's defeat, when at the same time the general-purpose computer is under threat, and he should rather worry about that (unless, as I suggested, his stake in proprietary software beats his interest in the availability of general-purpose computers).
Sorry, I forgot the main point. I suggested his stake must be so big that it is more important to him to see free software fail than to see the general-purpose personal computer survive. There are indeed not many people like that.
I didn't mean to, I just stated it without trying to attach a valuation. You have to note, though, that there are more people who have no stake in proprietary software, than those who do.
You must have a huge stake in proprietary software to cheer about this. Note that if this is the way of the future, it's not only "Check and mate, RMS!", but also "Check and mate, general-purpose personal computer!". Well, I guess you will still be able to import one from China, provided you won't get caught. Hurray indeed.
Prison population In 2000, more than 2.8 million persons were in prison in the ECE region, with approximately 1.3 million in the United States and 700 thousand in the Russian Federation. In general, there were more prisoners in relation to the population size in central and eastern Europe, the CIS countries and North America than in western Europe. The highest rate in 2000 was found in Belarus and Kazakhstan with 550 and 546 prisoners per 100 000 population respectively. The rates were also high in the United States and the Russian Federation with 468 and 460 prisoners respectively (Table 13.7).
That seems like a good trait in terms of evolution since your 30's are the time where you're supposed to have kids.
Very funny. As if nature cared about the long time we need in our way of living until we can provide for a family. If biology had a say, you'd be supposed to have kids at around 13 or so if you are a girl, and just a few months to years later if you are a boy.
Disregarding the fact that the "comparison" case really is a corollary to the law (the law it self just states that the probability of such a comparison occurring approaches 1 with thread length), you have to compare someone/something that is obviously not comparable. Not every comparison violates Godwin's law. In fact, the law's intent is precisely to not let such comparisons become devalued, so that they can still be usefully applied when warranted.
Sure, but I indeed forgot it in this thread, I realized soon after a later one. Anyway, it's probably safe to assume that this is commonly (on slashdot) known and accepted.
Leave me lone with your strawman. I never argued for chance. Instead, read the comments in your own link, there are many useful ones after the moron that wrote the first one.
Yeah well, using it on an old single-use laptop, fine. Putting it on the Internet though, or using it as a general-purpose multitasking OS was insanity.
I hear you, but of course it's still a sensible decision.
Re the article: yeah, ipchains. And giving tips for securing telnetd. And missing apparmor and SELinux and grsecurity. And does anyone still run servers on a Pentium 1 and needs xinitd? It totally looks like random bits pasted together after googling for "linux, security". BTW, I left a comment at the site, basically summarizing the slashdot discussion (and linking back to it), and he blocked me:)
This site removes the homicides by black people in the US, and then trumpets that the resulting US homicide rate is comparable to European rates. I don't even want to go into the article's idiocy of claiming that inherent characteristics of black people, and not reasons that can be classified as "social" are the cause for the higher homicide rates in black neighborhoods. But however you stand on that issue, it is obvious that such numbers are useless for refuting my argument, which you will remember is that "social" reasons determine crime rate: you cannot simply remove poor/disadvantaged groups from the statistics, since with the same right I could then remove social groups with higher crime rates (non-white collar, that is) from European numbers. (BTW, denying me this right would prove racist intent.)
The overall crime numbers the article gives for the US and Europe are meaningless, because they are all just totals, without being classified by seriousness of crime. There is nothing that can be even discussed.
And anyway, even the misguided text you linked to accepts "centuries of slavery and oppression" as one determining factor of crime rate.
The ignorance of it all is topped already by the first comment: "if things, crime wise, were so much better/safer in germany, why do so many germans working for the auto companies want to move here on assignment?"
Um, let's see:
Working abroad gives you lots of extra pay.
The US are a great and exciting country, and living there for a while can only be enriching.
You won't be shipped off to the US as a janitor. Ergo, the job that awaits you is likely interesting.
You live in a secured area anyway, paid by company money, or at least you can afford an affluent neighborhood.
The US has segregated its poor, and the chance to meet any of them when working for a company such as BMW are not that great
I do agree though that the crime hysteria is usually encouraged for questionable reasons, and areas that are described as crime-riddled can actually be great neighborhood and not all that bad if they are just your thing. I for one would never want to live in a posh suburb.
I agree, but having no daemons running when you don't need them is safer still. And yes, needlessly having something like sendmail running when there is no admin is useless risk.
Nobody with a consumer machine uses a chat program? A file-sharing program? Heck, Window95 shipped with a web server (PWS), and thats about as "ghetto consumer box" as you can get.
What part of "in the default configuration" do you not understand? OBVIOUSLY if you run a program that opens a port, you will have an open port. It is rather silly to demand that you can run chat clients and file sharing programs without opening ports.
What the fact that Windows 95 was a braindead abomination has to do with the current discussion is beyond me.
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1. Did you read the OP at all?
2. You didn't get what I wrote, either.
Look, it is NOT "playing the man". The situation is very simple: a new tech has arrived that can (a) undermine FOSS,and (b) destroy what most of us on /. (and may I add, human rights in western societies) depend on. The OP cheered (a), ignoring (b). I commented, sarcastically, that (a) must be more important to him but (b).
If you are into logical fallacies, please note that nobody so far has even argued my point, its been all about straw men since.
The GPL is there to guarantee the 4 software freedoms to the user. Care for it or not, but tivoization denies them. It was, thus, completely logical for the FSF to come out with GPL3. Don't use it if you don't like it.
People built Pentium Ms and the like in their garages 20 years ago?
If the general purpose computer in the future no longer serves a market need then why should it not perish?
"If the notion of human rights in the future no longer serves a market need then why should it not perish?"
That being said even if open source software did not exist I don't see the general purpose computer going anywhere.
You misunderstood me. The very same hypervisor tech that is described to circumvent the GPL3 can be used to deny you all unsupervised access to your computer whatsoever. Thus the OP shortsightedly cheers RMS's defeat, when at the same time the general-purpose computer is under threat, and he should rather worry about that (unless, as I suggested, his stake in proprietary software beats his interest in the availability of general-purpose computers).
Sorry, I forgot the main point. I suggested his stake must be so big that it is more important to him to see free software fail than to see the general-purpose personal computer survive. There are indeed not many people like that.
I didn't mean to, I just stated it without trying to attach a valuation. You have to note, though, that there are more people who have no stake in proprietary software, than those who do.
Check and mate, RMS!
You must have a huge stake in proprietary software to cheer about this. Note that if this is the way of the future, it's not only "Check and mate, RMS!", but also "Check and mate, general-purpose personal computer!". Well, I guess you will still be able to import one from China, provided you won't get caught. Hurray indeed.
And they are written in caps.
Not exactly nobody else. The US is in the good company of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia.
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I haven't seen this in Ubuntu in years, YMMV.
Um "making available" is not the same as "distributing".
That seems like a good trait in terms of evolution since your 30's are the time where you're supposed to have kids.
Very funny. As if nature cared about the long time we need in our way of living until we can provide for a family. If biology had a say, you'd be supposed to have kids at around 13 or so if you are a girl, and just a few months to years later if you are a boy.
Small leaks in a stone/concrete church are different from leaks in my living room.
Disregarding the fact that the "comparison" case really is a corollary to the law (the law it self just states that the probability of such a comparison occurring approaches 1 with thread length), you have to compare someone/something that is obviously not comparable. Not every comparison violates Godwin's law. In fact, the law's intent is precisely to not let such comparisons become devalued, so that they can still be usefully applied when warranted.
Sure, but I indeed forgot it in this thread, I realized soon after a later one. Anyway, it's probably safe to assume that this is commonly (on slashdot) known and accepted.
Sorry, thinko in my other reply: you were not the guy with the link.
Leave me lone with your strawman. I never argued for chance. Instead, read the comments in your own link, there are many useful ones after the moron that wrote the first one.
Yeah well, using it on an old single-use laptop, fine. Putting it on the Internet though, or using it as a general-purpose multitasking OS was insanity.
I hear you, but of course it's still a sensible decision.
:)
Re the article: yeah, ipchains. And giving tips for securing telnetd. And missing apparmor and SELinux and grsecurity. And does anyone still run servers on a Pentium 1 and needs xinitd? It totally looks like random bits pasted together after googling for "linux, security". BTW, I left a comment at the site, basically summarizing the slashdot discussion (and linking back to it), and he blocked me
The overall crime numbers the article gives for the US and Europe are meaningless, because they are all just totals, without being classified by seriousness of crime. There is nothing that can be even discussed.
And anyway, even the misguided text you linked to accepts "centuries of slavery and oppression" as one determining factor of crime rate.
The ignorance of it all is topped already by the first comment: "if things, crime wise, were so much better/safer in germany, why do so many germans working for the auto companies want to move here on assignment?"
Um, let's see:
I do agree though that the crime hysteria is usually encouraged for questionable reasons, and areas that are described as crime-riddled can actually be great neighborhood and not all that bad if they are just your thing. I for one would never want to live in a posh suburb.
I agree, but having no daemons running when you don't need them is safer still. And yes, needlessly having something like sendmail running when there is no admin is useless risk.
Certainly, testosterone levels are generally high in the US.
Nobody with a consumer machine uses a chat program? A file-sharing program? Heck, Window95 shipped with a web server (PWS), and thats about as "ghetto consumer box" as you can get.
What part of "in the default configuration" do you not understand? OBVIOUSLY if you run a program that opens a port, you will have an open port. It is rather silly to demand that you can run chat clients and file sharing programs without opening ports.
What the fact that Windows 95 was a braindead abomination has to do with the current discussion is beyond me.