I realize that an encyclopedia by definition will always emphasize the established majority opinion about any given subject. But it seems that this tool might strengthen majority opinions beyond what is reasonable. If you happen to edit an article by adding valid but unpopular dissenting points of view, and the other contributors are sufficiently boneheaded, you lose karma (or whatever the tool calls it) for no good reason. This might then easily develop a life of its own, and you are screwed.
Picked up a Samsung 24" 1920x1200 monitor @ Costco - $479. You can get ~50" 1080p for ~$2200 easily there.
Um yeah,exactly. That' what the parent said, "starting to move". 24" is ridiculous, 50" is still small, and $2200 is expensive. Wakeme up when I can get a > 80" in 1080p for around 1000.
For my eyes, moving from a 480i blurred, craptastic image to a 720p/1080i crisp, clear picture is even more impressive than a supposedly mammoth change like B&W to color.
Yeah well, but the move from 480p (Wii) to 720p is not very interesting. Any by the time I can get a big 1080p TV for a reasonable price (and no, a month's salary is not reasonable), there will be Wii 2 in HD glory.
Metroid isn't out yet, but available from the software downloads or in virtual console in some markets (AFAICT, Europe is shafted yet again. FUCK YOU, Nintendo Europe)
The "amazingness" of the wiimote is an open question just for those who haven't played with it. Those of us who have played Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition or are right now playing the Metroid Prime preview on the virtual console, KNOW.
I would think notifying the copyright holder about the violation is the most appropriate thing to do.
Right on. Using code that is available under GPL does not even always mean that there is a violation. It's possible that the copyright hold allowed them to use it under a different license. (Given the number of packages that are included in this DVD authoring application, this seems unlikely, though.)
What's all this about AACS anyway? It's got nothing to do whatsoever with tivoization. And please, in which way does RMS/FSF force anyone to behave in a particular way? I just don't get it. Do they force anyone to use GPL'ed software? Now that would be a story.
Wow. Just wow. I suppose in your view, people who bought CDs should just shell out another time for a 128 kbps mp3 too, or just do without a portable mp3 player. Oh well, whatever. Be happy in your corporate-ruled world, I'll not move in. Bye.
You are writing as if the Tivo people had no other chance than using GPL'ed software and circumventing the spirit of the license. RMS is forcing nobody to do anything. The Tivo people can write their own software and do what they like. (Assuming that the linux kernel was/will be GPL3)
Well, many industries already have readily access to materials that are otherwise hard to come by and possession heavily fined. The chemical industry comes to mind. I don't see why a similar model could not be implemented for computers, given the will.
Dunno, at this point I can only see it go down the drain in the west, and other political and cultural traditions will have to pick up and carry the torch of progress (China, India, who else?). Hope they get up to speed soon enough. The west will be knee-deep in blood before those in power now will let go.
I'm starting to become an old fart, but though I know that cultural pessimism is always reactionary, I cannot help it. Off to gloomy dreams;)
Oh, you are the same guy. Sorry much, I missed that. Seen in that light I guess I understand where you come from, but then we are talking about completely different things. I don't think you are wrong (though overly optimistic in my view), but it's just a different discussion.
Most in-house business software is never distributed and thus has no need for restrictive license. However, it can benefit greatly from free software to build on: I work on an in-house project implemented on top of MS Office, I'd say that one quarter of the development time is spent working around Office bugs.
I started several attempts to reply despite your apparent rudeness and inability to formulate even an argument, but I failed to come up with much to say to you. Just have fun fixing that tivo bug or implementing the cool behavior you had in mind. People like you hold back society.
Ok, thanks for explaining, now I understand better what you mean. I still think you are wrong with respect to the OP though:
For that matter, I can appreciate the engineering in a V2 rocket, despite the fact that the regime that built it was thoroughly evil, it was built with slave labour and it was designed to kill my grandparents. But it's impressive that they managed to make it work with such primitive technology.
Yeah, but would you exclaim excitedly, "Check and mate, free world!". "pwned!"?
Don't lol so much, your next paragraph betrays the fact that you have not a good-enough grasp of the concepts involved:
And even if that 80% figure is accurate, software doesn't have to be written for shrink-wrapped sale for copyright to be important. Think of a company that contracts a firm to write its business software - generally the copyright is transferred as part of the contract, preventing the contracted firm from reselling the software for pure profit. It's not about restrictive licenses, it's about copyright at its most basic.
You are thoroughly confused. Nothing in the GPL forbids company A to hire company B to write A's business software while the copyright remains with A, who can do whatever it wants with it, including releasing it GPL'ed while B has no rights to it.
There is no use to comment the rest of what you wrote, your basic premises are off.
Anyone who works in the software industry, other than those who get to work on FOSS thanks to charity handouts, has a stake in proprietary software.
Um, no, you just fell for MS's propaganda. First of all, more than 80% of software is written for other purposes than shrink-wrapped sale. People who write this stuff have less need for restrictive licenses in any case.
Second, it may be hard to live off free software right now, in a proprietary software world. I have no doubt whatsoever that it would work just as well or better in a free software world. Sure it would be different, but it would work. YMMV
Third, not that many people work in the software industry, and those who don't do not generally have big stakes in software property.
agreeing with RMS and agreeing with the freedom to do whatever you want with your computer are NOT the same thing
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I realize that an encyclopedia by definition will always emphasize the established majority opinion about any given subject. But it seems that this tool might strengthen majority opinions beyond what is reasonable. If you happen to edit an article by adding valid but unpopular dissenting points of view, and the other contributors are sufficiently boneheaded, you lose karma (or whatever the tool calls it) for no good reason. This might then easily develop a life of its own, and you are screwed.
Picked up a Samsung 24" 1920x1200 monitor @ Costco - $479. You can get ~50" 1080p for ~$2200 easily there.
Um yeah,exactly. That' what the parent said, "starting to move". 24" is ridiculous, 50" is still small, and $2200 is expensive. Wakeme up when I can get a > 80" in 1080p for around 1000.
For my eyes, moving from a 480i blurred, craptastic image to a 720p/1080i crisp, clear picture is even more impressive than a supposedly mammoth change like B&W to color.
Yeah well, but the move from 480p (Wii) to 720p is not very interesting. Any by the time I can get a big 1080p TV for a reasonable price (and no, a month's salary is not reasonable), there will be Wii 2 in HD glory.
Metroid isn't out yet, but available from the software downloads or in virtual console in some markets (AFAICT, Europe is shafted yet again. FUCK YOU, Nintendo Europe)
See my other post in this thread, Rockstar showed Table Tennis for Wii at the Leipzig Games Convention last week.
The "amazingness" of the wiimote is an open question just for those who haven't played with it. Those of us who have played Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition or are right now playing the Metroid Prime preview on the virtual console, KNOW.
as far as Rockstar Table Tennis goes: I'd rather play in on my Wii than push buttons on the 360, thank you.
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Aaaaah ha ha ha ha haaaaah! You are very funny. Are you serious?
Sexual orientation will always come out when your "spouse" has to be interviewed for a background check.
Huh? No it won't, and if it does, then it is actually a lesser problem.
I would think notifying the copyright holder about the violation is the most appropriate thing to do.
Right on. Using code that is available under GPL does not even always mean that there is a violation. It's possible that the copyright hold allowed them to use it under a different license. (Given the number of packages that are included in this DVD authoring application, this seems unlikely, though.)
What's all this about AACS anyway? It's got nothing to do whatsoever with tivoization. And please, in which way does RMS/FSF force anyone to behave in a particular way? I just don't get it. Do they force anyone to use GPL'ed software? Now that would be a story.
Wow. Just wow. I suppose in your view, people who bought CDs should just shell out another time for a 128 kbps mp3 too, or just do without a portable mp3 player. Oh well, whatever. Be happy in your corporate-ruled world, I'll not move in. Bye.
You are writing as if the Tivo people had no other chance than using GPL'ed software and circumventing the spirit of the license. RMS is forcing nobody to do anything. The Tivo people can write their own software and do what they like. (Assuming that the linux kernel was/will be GPL3)
Well, many industries already have readily access to materials that are otherwise hard to come by and possession heavily fined. The chemical industry comes to mind. I don't see why a similar model could not be implemented for computers, given the will.
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Dunno, at this point I can only see it go down the drain in the west, and other political and cultural traditions will have to pick up and carry the torch of progress (China, India, who else?). Hope they get up to speed soon enough. The west will be knee-deep in blood before those in power now will let go.
I'm starting to become an old fart, but though I know that cultural pessimism is always reactionary, I cannot help it. Off to gloomy dreams
And who prevents him calling in this documents by its official name, Ubuntu 7.04? Or is he selling Windows Longhorn in these docs, too?
Somehow I think that the fab is the bigger problem, and in the future maybe actually being allowed onto the net with such a thing.
If those who rule you have them, yes. Or rather, in this case, having them is a prerequisite to human rights.
Oh, you are the same guy. Sorry much, I missed that. Seen in that light I guess I understand where you come from, but then we are talking about completely different things. I don't think you are wrong (though overly optimistic in my view), but it's just a different discussion.
Thanks for the insight into the radio stuff. I certainly hope that you are right, but I's still not optimistic.
Most in-house business software is never distributed and thus has no need for restrictive license. However, it can benefit greatly from free software to build on: I work on an in-house project implemented on top of MS Office, I'd say that one quarter of the development time is spent working around Office bugs.
I started several attempts to reply despite your apparent rudeness and inability to formulate even an argument, but I failed to come up with much to say to you. Just have fun fixing that tivo bug or implementing the cool behavior you had in mind. People like you hold back society.
I like the attitude, of course, but I don't see it happening.
Ok, thanks for explaining, now I understand better what you mean. I still think you are wrong with respect to the OP though:
For that matter, I can appreciate the engineering in a V2 rocket, despite the fact that the regime that built it was thoroughly evil, it was built with slave labour and it was designed to kill my grandparents. But it's impressive that they managed to make it work with such primitive technology.
Yeah, but would you exclaim excitedly, "Check and mate, free world!". "pwned!"?
I thought so.
MS's propaganda? lol wut?
Don't lol so much, your next paragraph betrays the fact that you have not a good-enough grasp of the concepts involved:
And even if that 80% figure is accurate, software doesn't have to be written for shrink-wrapped sale for copyright to be important. Think of a company that contracts a firm to write its business software - generally the copyright is transferred as part of the contract, preventing the contracted firm from reselling the software for pure profit. It's not about restrictive licenses, it's about copyright at its most basic.
You are thoroughly confused. Nothing in the GPL forbids company A to hire company B to write A's business software while the copyright remains with A, who can do whatever it wants with it, including releasing it GPL'ed while B has no rights to it.
There is no use to comment the rest of what you wrote, your basic premises are off.
Anyone who works in the software industry, other than those who get to work on FOSS thanks to charity handouts, has a stake in proprietary software.
Um, no, you just fell for MS's propaganda. First of all, more than 80% of software is written for other purposes than shrink-wrapped sale. People who write this stuff have less need for restrictive licenses in any case.
Second, it may be hard to live off free software right now, in a proprietary software world. I have no doubt whatsoever that it would work just as well or better in a free software world. Sure it would be different, but it would work. YMMV
Third, not that many people work in the software industry, and those who don't do not generally have big stakes in software property.
agreeing with RMS and agreeing with the freedom to do whatever you want with your computer are NOT the same thing
In the tivoization question, it is.