"Unlike in Darfur, where the world disapproves but is too lazy/incapable of fixing the problem, in Israel not only are we not trying to stop the war, we're FACILITATING it."
To make clear the actual genocide problem (and you were blaming the VICTIMS!), here are some quotes from the current Palestinian government and their actual charter: "Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" [At least they do not hide their hatred behind the code word "Zionists"]..."The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees.". The charter includes many other references "evil" Jews and the necessecity to eliminate and/or subjugate them.
In contrast, the government of Israel supports "there should be an independent viable Palestinian state". Also seen are the statements "In that case we will have to move forward, even without a Palestinian partner, in order to separate from the Palestinians, to pull out from areas in the West Bank"..... This is in distinct contrast with the extreme hardline imperialism advocated by Hamas.
" in Israel not only are we not trying to stop the war, we're FACILITATING it."
The only genocide situation there is the fact that Hamas, Hesbollah, Iran, and similar parties don't even recognize the rights of Israelis to exist, and they frequently call for extermination. Unless you think the CIA is secretly controlling Hamas, we are trying to stop this.
"This quote. I have to wonder why you put it here. It implies that you're glad that Aztec cultures were subsumed by European ones. "
The Aztecs were in North America, not South America.
"Are you implying that Israel is doing the world a favor by massacring the Palestinians?"
This is not happening (any more than the Aztecs lived in South America)
" According to the Chinese delegate to the conference in Greece two weeks ago no sites are blocked."
The same delegate would also be glad to tell you of China's wonderful human rights record, how much Chinese occupation has improved Tibet, and how China is democratic.
"The problem in Palestine is Israelis that believe that Palestine, once conquered by Jews, is theirs forever"
I doubt that anything larger than a minority percentage of Israelis want some permanent "forever" Israeli control of the Palestinian territories. They were able to get away with jettisoning Gaza, after all.
That article is about North America. You earlier said this took place in South America. But now it makes more sense when we get the continent/location corrected.
Two of those were in North America, and never South America. Whoever mentioned South America does not even know the continents these people lived on. The Inca did some human sacrifice (not any large scale), but they were in western South America, not northern South America.
"Most palestinians living in the occupied territories are NOT Israel citizens."
In order for them to become citizens, Israel would have to annex the territories and everyone would have to accept these territories as completely a part of Israel (instead of a control that is supposed to be temporary). Is this a change you support?
What the UN did at Srbenica did not advance civilization. A trial so badly run that the accused died in a cell in between court sessions years after the trial started is not justice.
"Of course, the northern part of the South American continent used to basically be an unmitigated hell of human sacrifice that valued individual human life less than China (or the US, for that matter) does today."
What countries, territories, or tribes do you mean? That practiced human sacrifice in northern South America?
"Which side are you talking about? There was only one invading army in the recent Lebanese war"
There were two. Israeli's incursion into Lebanon after Lebanon's Hesbollah army invaded Israel can also be counted as in invasion, even though it was second.
"or here's a novel concept: How about they learn to play nice with their neighbours and stop stealing land that isn't theirs?"
Israel has already learned this. Time for the aggressors that keep attacking it to learn this as well. However, since the aggressors keep trying to steal land that isn't theirs (i.e. all of Israel), might as well target the technology core of the aggressors.
"their ultimate goal was not peace and stability but expansionism and hegemony"
Was this lifted from one of the Iranian president's speeches? As for the bogus "hegemony", look at what happened in the Sinai. Egypt recognized the Israeli's right to exist and called off the war. As a result, the legitimate reason for Israel to occupy the Sinai was removed, and Israel left. Now look at the West Bank and Gaza. The Palestinian government has an official policy of extermination of the Israelis (along with invasion to accomplish that goal). That is the true "expansion and hegemony". The legitimate reason for Israel to occupy thus remains. What sane country would willingly turn over land to a government that is dedicated to exterminating the people of that country?
But why will you have to use Vista at all in the "audio&visual equipment in [your] own house"? It certainly looks like a less attractive choice than going the Apple Itunes way.
"limiting me on what i can or cant do with my audio&visual equipment in my own house"
The rest of this is good and all, but about this particular item: How is Microsoft doing this unless you were one of the drooling early-adopters who bought a Zune earlier this week? I know they aren't responsible for that damn region system that makes DVDs a hassle.
"That rhythmic thudding sound you hear is the sound of every computer professional on the planet simultaneously laughing their balls off."
Damn, sure isn't a good day to be a janitor at an IT firm. Running around yelling "Don't step on and SQUISH the things! Makes it a lot harder to sweep them up!"
Fascism is at its core "a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism." (the dictionary definition).
The definition does not mention corporations.
"That may give you some pause next time you see all the 'campaign donations' that flow one way. What do you think flows the other way?"
In my country, what flows from the government to the corporations? Volumes full of ever-burdensome regulations and punitive taxation.
"All people that fought in WW2 are retired or dead."
Yes, the people in Europe have forgotten. Which must be the reason why they are ignorant enough to vote in socialists, even after that problem with German socialism in the mid 20th century.
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"Unlike in Darfur, where the world disapproves but is too lazy/incapable of fixing the problem, in Israel not only are we not trying to stop the war, we're FACILITATING it."
To make clear the actual genocide problem (and you were blaming the VICTIMS!), here are some quotes from the current Palestinian government and their actual charter: "Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" [At least they do not hide their hatred behind the code word "Zionists"]..."The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees.". The charter includes many other references "evil" Jews and the necessecity to eliminate and/or subjugate them.
In contrast, the government of Israel supports "there should be an independent viable Palestinian state". Also seen are the statements "In that case we will have to move forward, even without a Palestinian partner, in order to separate from the Palestinians, to pull out from areas in the West Bank"..... This is in distinct contrast with the extreme hardline imperialism advocated by Hamas.
" in Israel not only are we not trying to stop the war, we're FACILITATING it."
The only genocide situation there is the fact that Hamas, Hesbollah, Iran, and similar parties don't even recognize the rights of Israelis to exist, and they frequently call for extermination. Unless you think the CIA is secretly controlling Hamas, we are trying to stop this.
"This quote. I have to wonder why you put it here. It implies that you're glad that Aztec cultures were subsumed by European ones. "
The Aztecs were in North America, not South America.
"Are you implying that Israel is doing the world a favor by massacring the Palestinians?"
This is not happening (any more than the Aztecs lived in South America)
" According to the Chinese delegate to the conference in Greece two weeks ago no sites are blocked."
The same delegate would also be glad to tell you of China's wonderful human rights record, how much Chinese occupation has improved Tibet, and how China is democratic.
"The problem in Palestine is Israelis that believe that Palestine, once conquered by Jews, is theirs forever"
I doubt that anything larger than a minority percentage of Israelis want some permanent "forever" Israeli control of the Palestinian territories. They were able to get away with jettisoning Gaza, after all.
"...is that the web makes EVERYONE who buys in feel like they are "informed voters"...
....whether or not you agree with their opinions and conclusions? Perhaps they have the opinion that you aren't an "informed voter."
That article is about North America. You earlier said this took place in South America. But now it makes more sense when we get the continent/location corrected.
"Probbably the Inca, Aztec and Mayans"
Two of those were in North America, and never South America. Whoever mentioned South America does not even know the continents these people lived on. The Inca did some human sacrifice (not any large scale), but they were in western South America, not northern South America.
"Who exactly is your source of information on American history, Mel Gibson?"
What has Gibson ever said about South America? Or is this just a general reference to Gibson's drunken rant?
"Most palestinians living in the occupied territories are NOT Israel citizens."
In order for them to become citizens, Israel would have to annex the territories and everyone would have to accept these territories as completely a part of Israel (instead of a control that is supposed to be temporary). Is this a change you support?
What the UN did at Srbenica did not advance civilization. A trial so badly run that the accused died in a cell in between court sessions years after the trial started is not justice.
"Of course, the northern part of the South American continent used to basically be an unmitigated hell of human sacrifice that valued individual human life less than China (or the US, for that matter) does today."
What countries, territories, or tribes do you mean? That practiced human sacrifice in northern South America?
Neocons? But there aren't any in power. Do you sing "Danny Boy" with pink elephants too?
The only thing insane here is the current Palestinian government's call for genocide of the Israelis.
"Which side are you talking about? There was only one invading army in the recent Lebanese war"
There were two. Israeli's incursion into Lebanon after Lebanon's Hesbollah army invaded Israel can also be counted as in invasion, even though it was second.
"simply abuse politicians or make "incommensurate" demands on them.'"
translation: criticize politicians for abuses by the politians and demand that they actually act in good faith in regards to keeping the public trust.
"But no, there's no way you're going to establish trust with a people when you have killer robotic hornets flying around their homes"
What trust? With the Hamas vote, already half of the Palestinians indicate that they want the Israelis exterminated.
"or here's a novel concept: How about they learn to play nice with their neighbours and stop stealing land that isn't theirs?"
Israel has already learned this. Time for the aggressors that keep attacking it to learn this as well. However, since the aggressors keep trying to steal land that isn't theirs (i.e. all of Israel), might as well target the technology core of the aggressors.
"renouncing violence"
Not very wise when the armies invading and attacking you have not done the same.
"their ultimate goal was not peace and stability but expansionism and hegemony"
Was this lifted from one of the Iranian president's speeches? As for the bogus "hegemony", look at what happened in the Sinai. Egypt recognized the Israeli's right to exist and called off the war. As a result, the legitimate reason for Israel to occupy the Sinai was removed, and Israel left. Now look at the West Bank and Gaza. The Palestinian government has an official policy of extermination of the Israelis (along with invasion to accomplish that goal). That is the true "expansion and hegemony". The legitimate reason for Israel to occupy thus remains. What sane country would willingly turn over land to a government that is dedicated to exterminating the people of that country?
But why will you have to use Vista at all in the "audio&visual equipment in [your] own house"? It certainly looks like a less attractive choice than going the Apple Itunes way.
"limiting me on what i can or cant do with my audio&visual equipment in my own house"
The rest of this is good and all, but about this particular item: How is Microsoft doing this unless you were one of the drooling early-adopters who bought a Zune earlier this week? I know they aren't responsible for that damn region system that makes DVDs a hassle.
"This really is a male dominated industry then isn't it?"
thud thud Not thud thud anymore thud thud thud thud
The sound of your balls falling on the floor is better than mod points.
"That rhythmic thudding sound you hear is the sound of every computer professional on the planet simultaneously laughing their balls off."
Damn, sure isn't a good day to be a janitor at an IT firm. Running around yelling "Don't step on and SQUISH the things! Makes it a lot harder to sweep them up!"
Fascism is at its core "a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism." (the dictionary definition).
The definition does not mention corporations.
"That may give you some pause next time you see all the 'campaign donations' that flow one way. What do you think flows the other way?"
In my country, what flows from the government to the corporations? Volumes full of ever-burdensome regulations and punitive taxation.
"All people that fought in WW2 are retired or dead."
Yes, the people in Europe have forgotten. Which must be the reason why they are ignorant enough to vote in socialists, even after that problem with German socialism in the mid 20th century.