Softway Group that used to own Interix before Microsoft bought it, also owns Mainsoft. Kinda interesting that the group owns both sides of the market: One for running unix apps on NT, and one for running win32 apps on unix. I wonder if MS is going to purchase Mainsoft too?
> I mean, if we can say 'It's all good in Win2k' then I get to say 'It's all good in Linux 3.0!' Comparing what's
Win2000 _IS_ out now. Release-Candidate 2. I'm running it as I type this. It IS out. There is a difference between a pre-release and something that does not exist. Win2000 DOES exist, that is why I attempted to display people shouting 'vaporware' at the beginning of my post. If you don't think it is real, please try to explain to all the people running Win2000 what they are running.
Granted it takes me to a DOS prompt, but if I wanted more, I would install Interix or the free CYGWIN32 unix utils with a telnet server.
-[jeff@turing]- -(0:~)-: telnet freeside Trying 192.168.1.2... Connected to freeside. Escape character is '^]'. Microsoft (R) Windows (TM) Version 5.00 (Build 2072) Welcome to Microsoft Telnet Service Telnet Server Build 5.00.99034.1 login: jeff password:
*=============================================== ================ Welcome to Microsoft Telnet Server. *=============================================== ================ C:\>
While you are talking about the 1996 version of NT, most of your agruments are moot with Windows 2000 (NT5). It may make your agruments easier to compare the 1996 version of NT4 with the latest version of Linux, but we don't want to spread FUD, do we? You think it is vaporware? You can buy the pre-release copy to test with, etc.
Let me address those 10 points:
>> 1. Using the wrong hardware >When Linux is perfectly happy running on older >Pentiums and 486s. As BOTH a Server and Desktop.
While Linux has excelent hardware support for older legacy hardware (386, 486, etc). It is notorius for not having support for the latest hardware until long after it is out. Granted this is haging, but your argument swings both ways.
>> 2. Installing Windows NT where it doesn't belong >Especially when alot of games require Winblows 9X & DirectX 6, and NT 4 won't support DX6.
NT4 isn't a games os. Officially NT5 isn't a games OS either, but it supports the latest DirectX7, and assuming that games aren't HARD-CODED to not install in an NT system, and you have valid drivers, you can play games on Win2000 with no problem. They seem to run faster and are SO much more stable than they are in Win98. Windows98 is a joke.
>> 3. Choosing the wrong file system >An OS that only recognizes FAT16, FAT32 (unofficially), and NTFS.
NT4 also support OS/2's HPFS and Win2000 supports FAT32 out of the box.
>> 4. No emergency repair disk >Not being able to boot to a NT command line prompt unless you shell out a few clams for some special ERD Commander Pro utility.
Win2000 has a boot-to-command-line recover option. I guess the developers listened to the users.
>> 5. Using the wrong Pagefile size >NT being so brain-dead that it won't let you set a pagefile of 0 bytes. Hey you with 256 Megs of Ram, don't you know you need a pagefile !
???
>> 6. Missing a key network component >Having to reboot everytime you change one little network setting.
Yet again, no longer a problem in Wi2000.
>> 10. Cloning Windows NT >Its not like anyone would need 100 identical copies of NT running on 100 different computers? Hey Mr Library SysAdmin, do you know that you shouldn't be cloning those public NT boxes?:-)
"Remember, if it's not PRO-Linux it must be FUD!! " is suposed to be read as SARCASM!
I don't know how long you have been reading/., but at the end of last year, for about a 6 month period, almost everything posted that wasn't specifically PRO Linux was being flamed as "FUD" from microsoft. I think it had something to do with the haloween documents. All the zealots jumped on the "FUD" buzzword bandwagon and were waving the word around without knowing what it really means.
I wonder why he never gave any numbers about the install time of Win2k?
Was he installing from the CD? Was he installing directly from his HD under windows? Was he installing from the CD in DOS? If he was installing from DOS, he probably didn't have the foresight to load smartdrv and sat there for 4 hours while it copied all 2,000 files from the i386 dir to the HD. Anyone who has any experience installing Win2k doesn't install this way as it is like chineese water torture. DOS copies files very very slow. The better method is to either boot from the Win2k CD directly, install from Windows (if you already have it installed), or if you MUST install from DOS - make SURE you run smartdrv to speed up the file copy process.
I can't speak for beta2 since it is almost 9 months old, but Release-Canidate 2 that was released a couple of weeks ago doesn't take more than an hour to install. I am speaking on behalf of 40 or so people in #Win2000 on efnet who all install Win2k at various times. As long as they arent installing from DOS without running smartdrv, and they don't have shitty hardware, they install within an hour consistantly.
It is amusing to see the comments spewing fourth about Microsoft's aquisition of Softway Systems.
Interix never claimed to offer Linux/*nix BINARY compatiability. That is just plain silly. When Softway launched the campaign to get Linux people, they tried to make Interix more 'linux friendly' by porting over more apps and utilities that exist for linux today. That is all. Remember back when slashdot pointed to a story about Interix triyng to get more 'linux friendly'? The zealots all ASSUMED that meant Interix was trying to put out a way to run linux binaries in emulation mode. If some of these people here would bother to READ the article before commenting on it, they would have noticed that Softway was simply porting over more utilities.
What Interix provided was a true posix system to _compile_ source code into a binary that will work under the INTERIX subsystem of NT. What Mr. Petreley is suggesting simply won't happen. The only reason I can see for him suggesting that MS/Softway will provide a way to run linux binaries to to rile up the linux community in order to get more hits to linuxworld. It seems that this has succeeded if his story is now posted on slashdot.
Fear not, the closest thing that MS could do (if they integrate Interix) is providing a way to compile *nix source code under the Interix (or whatever it will be called) subsystem. And that is a good thing for both NT users and Linux users.
Please keep in mind that the way NT is set up is that the microkernel? provides the ability to have seperate entities (win32/os2/posix(interix)) that can talk to eachother.
Posix/Interix subsystem != win32. Try to remember that.
I feel sorry for you if you can't figure out outlook/exchange well enough to set it up to check other email accounts. People like you whine about how 'dumbed down' Windows software is, but you can't even figure out how to set up email?:)
I'm sad to say that most of the readers (and moderators from what I've seen) aren't open-minded enough to look at your argument without getting all emotional and fanatical about their beloved OS. Your words on this linux fan-site aren't going to change anyones "well-thought out" views of the world of Linux and Microsoft.
Office2000 saved documents can be read just fine from Office97 (at least word and excel documents). Please don't spread FUD like this, or if this isn't FUD, please research a little more next time.
While your post is clearly flamebait, I'll assume you are being sincere in your paranoia. I urge you to go outside and see the distinction between reality and the fantasy world of conspiracy that x-files might feed you. If you honestly think that Microsoft is paying people to waste time on slashdot (haven for linux zealots) and 'troll' "FUD", I truely feel sorry for you and hope your fantistic view of reality changes.
I've seen countless psots that have nothing more than the theme: "NT sux, linux r00ls" moderated up as "funny" or even "informative" while well thought-out, mature posts about a shortcoming of Linux, or even (my god!) something positive about MS or NT labeled as "flamebait".
The moderators do not follow their own rules.
If you want slashdot to be a forum of linux zealots to pat eachother on the back and blast anything that is not pro-linux, then leave it the way it is, but don't lie to us by claiming the moderation system is fair, Rob.
For those of us that want to see all intelligent posts, we are forced to put our threshhold at -1 because of the immature, biassed moderation. You suggestion of setting the threshold of +1 or +2 is only acceptable for those who want to see only pro-linux posts.
Hopefully some of the linux zealots will take your advice and do some research about NT before they start making wild claims that it crashes every 4 hours.
Maybe its just a puberty thing, but there are other ways to respond to something that you don't agree with other than personal insults. It's really quite sad.
Wow. That sounds like a lot of shashdot posters who claim to know how much NT 'sucks' when they don't even have a first-hand experience using it. I always smile when I see some fanatic claim that NT crashes 4 times/day.
If any of Gates' 100 billion dollars goes to curing a disease that you are (or will be) afflicted with, you people owe him an apology for all the criticism. All of this talk about him being greedy, etc goes out the window with him donating virtually his entire fortune to help improve society. Shame on you.
I read somewhere that Linux is the official OS of China and other Socialist/Communist countries because of the socialistic nature of the open-source movement.
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Softway Group that used to own Interix before Microsoft bought it, also owns Mainsoft.
Kinda interesting that the group owns both sides of the market: One for running unix apps on NT, and one for running win32 apps on unix.
I wonder if MS is going to purchase Mainsoft too?
The United States Postal Service is a
They are a government agency, aren't they? Why are they using a commercial TLDN?
> May I offer you a clue?
There is a lot of that going on here.
> This isn't the same OS as 1996 at all!!
Option Pack aside (That isn't the same thing as the service packs), what new FEATURES are added in those service-packs?
> I mean, if we can say 'It's all good in Win2k' then I get to say 'It's all good in Linux 3.0!' Comparing what's
Win2000 _IS_ out now. Release-Candidate 2. I'm running it as I type this. It IS out. There is a difference between a pre-release and something that does not exist. Win2000 DOES exist, that is why I attempted to display people shouting 'vaporware' at the beginning of my post. If you don't think it is real, please try to explain to all the people running Win2000 what they are running.
Granted it takes me to a DOS prompt, but if I wanted more, I would install Interix or the free CYGWIN32 unix utils with a telnet server.
= ================ = ================
-[jeff@turing]-
-(0:~)-: telnet freeside
Trying 192.168.1.2...
Connected to freeside.
Escape character is '^]'.
Microsoft (R) Windows (TM) Version 5.00 (Build 2072)
Welcome to Microsoft Telnet Service
Telnet Server Build 5.00.99034.1
login: jeff
password:
*==============================================
Welcome to Microsoft Telnet Server.
*==============================================
C:\>
On the flipside, posting PRO NT material as yourself is a quick way to lose karma since the moderation system is biassed towards linux.
While you are talking about the 1996 version of NT, most of your agruments are moot with Windows 2000 (NT5). It may make your agruments easier to compare the 1996 version of NT4 with the latest version of Linux, but we don't want to spread FUD, do we? You think it is vaporware? You can buy the pre-release copy to test with, etc.
:-)
Let me address those 10 points:
>> 1. Using the wrong hardware
>When Linux is perfectly happy running on older
>Pentiums and 486s. As BOTH a Server and Desktop.
While Linux has excelent hardware support for older legacy hardware (386, 486, etc). It is notorius for not having support for the latest hardware until long after it is out. Granted this is haging, but your argument swings both ways.
>> 2. Installing Windows NT where it doesn't belong
>Especially when alot of games require Winblows 9X & DirectX 6, and NT 4 won't support DX6.
NT4 isn't a games os. Officially NT5 isn't a games OS either, but it supports the latest DirectX7, and assuming that games aren't HARD-CODED to not install in an NT system, and you have valid drivers, you can play games on Win2000 with no problem. They seem to run faster and are SO much more stable than they are in Win98. Windows98 is a joke.
>> 3. Choosing the wrong file system
>An OS that only recognizes FAT16, FAT32 (unofficially), and NTFS.
NT4 also support OS/2's HPFS and Win2000 supports FAT32 out of the box.
>> 4. No emergency repair disk
>Not being able to boot to a NT command line prompt unless you shell out a few clams for some special ERD Commander Pro utility.
Win2000 has a boot-to-command-line recover option. I guess the developers listened to the users.
>> 5. Using the wrong Pagefile size
>NT being so brain-dead that it won't let you set a pagefile of 0 bytes. Hey you with 256 Megs of Ram, don't you know you need a pagefile !
???
>> 6. Missing a key network component
>Having to reboot everytime you change one little network setting.
Yet again, no longer a problem in Wi2000.
>> 10. Cloning Windows NT
>Its not like anyone would need 100 identical copies of NT running on 100 different computers? Hey Mr Library SysAdmin, do you know that you shouldn't be cloning those public NT boxes?
This was rated "insightful"?!?
Oh the humanity! :)
/., but at the end of last year, for about a 6 month period, almost everything posted that wasn't specifically PRO Linux was being flamed as "FUD" from microsoft. I think it had something to do with the haloween documents. All the zealots jumped on the "FUD" buzzword bandwagon and were waving the word around without knowing what it really means.
"Remember, if it's not PRO-Linux it must be FUD!! " is suposed to be read as SARCASM!
I don't know how long you have been reading
I wonder why he never gave any numbers about the install time of Win2k?
Was he installing from the CD? Was he installing directly from his HD under windows? Was he installing from the CD in DOS? If he was installing from DOS, he probably didn't have the foresight to load smartdrv and sat there for 4 hours while it copied all 2,000 files from the i386 dir to the HD. Anyone who has any experience installing Win2k doesn't install this way as it is like chineese water torture. DOS copies files very very slow. The better method is to either boot from the Win2k CD directly, install from Windows (if you already have it installed), or if you MUST install from DOS - make SURE you run smartdrv to speed up the file copy process.
I can't speak for beta2 since it is almost 9 months old, but Release-Canidate 2 that was released a couple of weeks ago doesn't take more than an hour to install. I am speaking on behalf of 40 or so people in #Win2000 on efnet who all install Win2k at various times. As long as they arent installing from DOS without running smartdrv, and they don't have shitty hardware, they install within an hour consistantly.
It is amusing to see the comments spewing fourth about Microsoft's aquisition of Softway Systems.
Interix never claimed to offer Linux/*nix BINARY compatiability. That is just plain silly. When Softway launched the campaign to get Linux people, they tried to make Interix more 'linux friendly' by porting over more apps and utilities that exist for linux today. That is all. Remember back when slashdot pointed to a story about Interix triyng to get more 'linux friendly'? The zealots all ASSUMED that meant Interix was trying to put out a way to run linux binaries in emulation mode. If some of these people here would bother to READ the article before commenting on it, they would have noticed that Softway was simply porting over more utilities.
What Interix provided was a true posix system to _compile_ source code into a binary that will work under the INTERIX subsystem of NT. What Mr. Petreley is suggesting simply won't happen. The only reason I can see for him suggesting that MS/Softway will provide a way to run linux binaries to to rile up the linux community in order to get more hits to linuxworld. It seems that this has succeeded if his story is now posted on slashdot.
Fear not, the closest thing that MS could do (if they integrate Interix) is providing a way to compile *nix source code under the Interix (or whatever it will be called) subsystem. And that is a good thing for both NT users and Linux users.
Please keep in mind that the way NT is set up is that the microkernel? provides the ability to have seperate entities (win32/os2/posix(interix)) that can talk to eachother.
Posix/Interix subsystem != win32. Try to remember that.
I feel sorry for you if you can't figure out outlook/exchange well enough to set it up to check other email accounts. People like you whine about how 'dumbed down' Windows software is, but you can't even figure out how to set up email? :)
I'm sad to say that most of the readers (and moderators from what I've seen) aren't open-minded enough to look at your argument without getting all emotional and fanatical about their beloved OS. Your words on this linux fan-site aren't going to change anyones "well-thought out" views of the world of Linux and Microsoft.
If you want to see a fanatical religion, just look at the linux zealots.
Office2000 saved documents can be read just fine from Office97 (at least word and excel documents).
Please don't spread FUD like this, or if this isn't FUD, please research a little more next time.
While your post is clearly flamebait, I'll assume you are being sincere in your paranoia.
I urge you to go outside and see the distinction between reality and the fantasy world of conspiracy that x-files might feed you. If you honestly think that Microsoft is paying people to waste time on slashdot (haven for linux zealots) and 'troll' "FUD", I truely feel sorry for you and hope your fantistic view of reality changes.
I've started bookmarking them (today) as I see them, and will personally e-mail you and rob when I get a good number.
I've seen countless psots that have nothing more than the theme: "NT sux, linux r00ls" moderated up as "funny" or even "informative" while well thought-out, mature posts about a shortcoming of Linux, or even (my god!) something positive about MS or NT labeled as "flamebait".
The moderators do not follow their own rules.
If you want slashdot to be a forum of linux zealots to pat eachother on the back and blast anything that is not pro-linux, then leave it the way it is, but don't lie to us by claiming the moderation system is fair, Rob.
For those of us that want to see all intelligent posts, we are forced to put our threshhold at -1 because of the immature, biassed moderation. You suggestion of setting the threshold of +1 or +2 is only acceptable for those who want to see only pro-linux posts.
HOW much does a hotmail account cost you?
Hopefully some of the linux zealots will take your advice and do some research about NT before they start making wild claims that it crashes every 4 hours.
Maybe its just a puberty thing, but there are other ways to respond to something that you don't agree with other than personal insults. It's really quite sad.
"If I don't know it, it's crap."
Wow. That sounds like a lot of shashdot posters who claim to know how much NT 'sucks' when they don't even have a first-hand experience using it. I always smile when I see some fanatic claim that NT crashes 4 times/day.
100 billion, not 10 billion (nt)
If any of Gates' 100 billion dollars goes to curing a disease that you are (or will be) afflicted with, you people owe him an apology for all the criticism.
All of this talk about him being greedy, etc goes out the window with him donating virtually his entire fortune to help improve society.
Shame on you.
I read somewhere that Linux is the official OS of China and other Socialist/Communist countries because of the socialistic nature of the open-source movement.
If you bothered to apend any time with IE, you would see an option to pre-load blanks for images (like what Netscape does)