1. Various people in this thread cannot see the harm in distributing software without giving credit for it.
2. The Author of the software sees this practice as harmful, whether as a material loss, a potential to lose copyright by not defending it, The principle of the thing or any number of other reasons. The only thing that matters is the author believes he has been harmed by this copyright infringement.
3. These are contradictory viewpoints, and amount to little more than opinion when placed in a vacuum. The rational, logical discussion you think you're looking for is impossible. We are forced to look at how disputes like this have been settled in the past, an appeal to the majority in the form of looking at established laws.
Therefore, the law IS relevant, and is pretty clear cut in this circumstance. Society judges harm has occured.
If you want to make an arguement without considering established law, all you're doing is intellectual masturbation. If you want to make an arguement about how the law should be changed, by all means, make it.
The IT-related jobs in the Air Force give a little useful experience, especially if you take advantage of all the education opportunities that are available. If you choose the right job and don't slack off, you're pretty much set once you leave the military.
That said, 90% of military jobs don't translate nearly as well to the civilian market, especially things like infantryman or artillary. Plus, they're too busy, y'know, being deployed, to actually go to school while they're still in.
Personal vendettas have little or no impact on, say, Particle Physics.
I've found Wikipedia to be a useful starting point for researching highly technical or historical articles. You'd have to be mad to think of it as a good source for, say, politics, or still-living individuals.
Even in NATO, The United States pretty much dictated the terms of the organization when it was created to spell out how the United States is in overall control. The Supreme Commander is a U.S. 4 Star general, who is himself under the direction of the President of the United States.
Having been in Baghdad 21 months ago, it was pretty quiet back then too as far as Rocket and Mortar attacks went. Over the course of four months I was there, they were coming in once or twice a month.
It was still pretty shitty for the guys who went outside the wire - but inside base was downright secure.
The thing about drug education is: It lies to kids.
Back in the day, DARE style, I was told drugs will kill you. Even if you're "just experimenting" - if you sniff the shit out of aerosol cans, you will die. If you smoke pot, you will die, later on it was if you do ecstasy, you will die.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that little billy down the street didn't die from taking a few huffs out of that can - or that Keith and Cindy had a GREAT time on Ex, and aren't quite dead yet. The obvious conclusion is that the adults of the world are a bunch of lying jackasses who don't know what they're talking about. Drugs are a great time, go out and have a try!
By the time they figure out its a slow process of killing off brain cells, they're already too brain-dead to do anything about it.
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As for tackling the Supply program, if we ignore sovereignty issues for the moment (And that IS the only way to do it, since the drug trade is much more profitable than any legitimate crop we could provide farmers with) - it's a simple matter of locating fields, informing farmers that if they plant a crop of X drug next year, they'll be firebombed, and then doing it.
With the various wars we have going on, this is infeasible due to manpower issues, but it provides a wonderful strategy in Afghanistan. Knock out insurgent money supplies AND a major source for drugs all at the same time!
Hi, US Air Force, been to Iraq and Afghanistan. My views do not in any way reflect the viewpoint of the United States Military, nor should anything I say be misinterpreted as an official statement.
The prospect of three square meals a day in an American prison, where you have a roof over your head, and the "torture" you're subjected to is downright comfortable compared to daily life on the outside is decidedly not terrifying.
The Enemy is not scared to death. They are simply not suicidal (except for, notably, suicide bombers) - fighting an Asymmetrical warfare they believe they can win. In Afghanistan The system is set up where if a tribal elder or religious leader says something, a member of that tribe does it, regardless of personal feelings on the subject. Most Afghanis are brought up without any sort of education at all beyond obediance to authority and memorized portions of the Koran.
Much of the insurgent support and leadership in Afghanistan comes from civilians, and are untouchable by Americans. When a military leader is killed, another elder comes in, or a member of the military group gives themself a field promotion. New fighters are constantly recruited or imported, fed and armed by various villages (and Iran) without fear of US reprisal, and set about killing more Americans.
The only ways to convince insurgents that their war won't last are to:
1. Methodically sweep through the Country, completely eliminating entire armies of Insurgents, demonstrating that death is not merely likely, but garunteed. - A plan we lack the manpower to carry out. 2. Show individual villages there are consequences for assisting the Insurgency, arresting village elders, slash and burning poppy crops indiscriminately, etc. There isn't even any need for the extreme actions proposed by the GP (essentially systematic genocide). - A plan we lack the will to carry out. Apparently someone, somewhere, still believes the poor farmers are selling poppys to buy food, rather than weapons and ammunition.
Instead of all of these, our glorious leadership still believes Afghanistan can be put back togather and led towards democracy, funding village construction projects, giving away food and money that inevitably ends up right in the hands of the insurgency.
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Iraq is an even bigger shithole of a country, but the last time I was there was about two years ago, and my job there didn't take me off base, so I can't give firsthand commentary on it.
Many are quick to point out the question "Why does the United States deserve to control the internet?"
This quickly spins into a ridiculous flame war consisting of something along the lines of "We invented it" - (A claim contested by swedish apoligists), or some kind of line about how Libya is in charge of the UN council on human rights, whatever that has to do with it.
These points, and many other historical arguements, are irrelevant. The only issue here is that the United States currently has control, and is being presented with no good (or even clear) reason why it should give that control up.
Do you think www.whitehouse.com (Extremely NSFW in case you've never heard) - would exist if the good folks at www.whitehouse.gov had any legal recourse?
Jury Nullification refers to a rendering of a not guilty verdict by a trial jury, disagreeing with the instructions by the judge concerning what the law is, or whether such law is applicable to the case, taking into account all of the evidence presented.
You not only have the right to do so, but the civic duty. In this case, being charged thousands of dollars per song she wasn't commercializing is simply ridiculous.
I agree with you in principle, she broke the law and deserves some kind of punishment. The damage inflicted by her, however, doesn't fit the punishment she recieved.
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Here's the thing:
1. Various people in this thread cannot see the harm in distributing software without giving credit for it.
2. The Author of the software sees this practice as harmful, whether as a material loss, a potential to lose copyright by not defending it, The principle of the thing or any number of other reasons. The only thing that matters is the author believes he has been harmed by this copyright infringement.
3. These are contradictory viewpoints, and amount to little more than opinion when placed in a vacuum. The rational, logical discussion you think you're looking for is impossible. We are forced to look at how disputes like this have been settled in the past, an appeal to the majority in the form of looking at established laws.
Therefore, the law IS relevant, and is pretty clear cut in this circumstance. Society judges harm has occured.
If you want to make an arguement without considering established law, all you're doing is intellectual masturbation. If you want to make an arguement about how the law should be changed, by all means, make it.
Hey Baby, Wanna kill all humans?
The IT-related jobs in the Air Force give a little useful experience, especially if you take advantage of all the education opportunities that are available. If you choose the right job and don't slack off, you're pretty much set once you leave the military.
That said, 90% of military jobs don't translate nearly as well to the civilian market, especially things like infantryman or artillary. Plus, they're too busy, y'know, being deployed, to actually go to school while they're still in.
Personal vendettas have little or no impact on, say, Particle Physics.
I've found Wikipedia to be a useful starting point for researching highly technical or historical articles. You'd have to be mad to think of it as a good source for, say, politics, or still-living individuals.
Even in NATO, The United States pretty much dictated the terms of the organization when it was created to spell out how the United States is in overall control. The Supreme Commander is a U.S. 4 Star general, who is himself under the direction of the President of the United States.
Having been in Baghdad 21 months ago, it was pretty quiet back then too as far as Rocket and Mortar attacks went. Over the course of four months I was there, they were coming in once or twice a month.
It was still pretty shitty for the guys who went outside the wire - but inside base was downright secure.
And how exactly will they feed, clothe, arm, and train all these new recruits without their drug money?
The thing about drug education is: It lies to kids.
Back in the day, DARE style, I was told drugs will kill you. Even if you're "just experimenting" - if you sniff the shit out of aerosol cans, you will die. If you smoke pot, you will die, later on it was if you do ecstasy, you will die.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that little billy down the street didn't die from taking a few huffs out of that can - or that Keith and Cindy had a GREAT time on Ex, and aren't quite dead yet. The obvious conclusion is that the adults of the world are a bunch of lying jackasses who don't know what they're talking about. Drugs are a great time, go out and have a try!
By the time they figure out its a slow process of killing off brain cells, they're already too brain-dead to do anything about it.
------------------
As for tackling the Supply program, if we ignore sovereignty issues for the moment (And that IS the only way to do it, since the drug trade is much more profitable than any legitimate crop we could provide farmers with) - it's a simple matter of locating fields, informing farmers that if they plant a crop of X drug next year, they'll be firebombed, and then doing it.
With the various wars we have going on, this is infeasible due to manpower issues, but it provides a wonderful strategy in Afghanistan. Knock out insurgent money supplies AND a major source for drugs all at the same time!
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GZAZ_enUS243US243&q=how+do+I+build+a+crossbow
*Sigh*
Hi, US Air Force, been to Iraq and Afghanistan. My views do not in any way reflect the viewpoint of the United States Military, nor should anything I say be misinterpreted as an official statement.
The prospect of three square meals a day in an American prison, where you have a roof over your head, and the "torture" you're subjected to is downright comfortable compared to daily life on the outside is decidedly not terrifying.
The Enemy is not scared to death. They are simply not suicidal (except for, notably, suicide bombers) - fighting an Asymmetrical warfare they believe they can win. In Afghanistan The system is set up where if a tribal elder or religious leader says something, a member of that tribe does it, regardless of personal feelings on the subject. Most Afghanis are brought up without any sort of education at all beyond obediance to authority and memorized portions of the Koran.
Much of the insurgent support and leadership in Afghanistan comes from civilians, and are untouchable by Americans. When a military leader is killed, another elder comes in, or a member of the military group gives themself a field promotion. New fighters are constantly recruited or imported, fed and armed by various villages (and Iran) without fear of US reprisal, and set about killing more Americans.
The only ways to convince insurgents that their war won't last are to:
1. Methodically sweep through the Country, completely eliminating entire armies of Insurgents, demonstrating that death is not merely likely, but garunteed.
- A plan we lack the manpower to carry out.
2. Show individual villages there are consequences for assisting the Insurgency, arresting village elders, slash and burning poppy crops indiscriminately, etc. There isn't even any need for the extreme actions proposed by the GP (essentially systematic genocide).
- A plan we lack the will to carry out. Apparently someone, somewhere, still believes the poor farmers are selling poppys to buy food, rather than weapons and ammunition.
Instead of all of these, our glorious leadership still believes Afghanistan can be put back togather and led towards democracy, funding village construction projects, giving away food and money that inevitably ends up right in the hands of the insurgency.
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Iraq is an even bigger shithole of a country, but the last time I was there was about two years ago, and my job there didn't take me off base, so I can't give firsthand commentary on it.
don't know if you've noticed, but we've created plenty of enemies by pussyfooting around.
If you're ruthless enough, you've created an enemy that is scared to death of the notion that you'd ever come around again.
I always wondered what Gonads were doing in the lightning..
I love it when people reply snarkily to my snarky replies.
Hint: I'm American.
a Majority that is fully capable of forming their own infrastructure, and telling the United States to Sod off.
Many are quick to point out the question "Why does the United States deserve to control the internet?"
This quickly spins into a ridiculous flame war consisting of something along the lines of "We invented it" - (A claim contested by swedish apoligists), or some kind of line about how Libya is in charge of the UN council on human rights, whatever that has to do with it.
These points, and many other historical arguements, are irrelevant. The only issue here is that the United States currently has control, and is being presented with no good (or even clear) reason why it should give that control up.
Dear Mods,
Different viewpoints than your own != Flamebait.
I was actually at work when I posted that...
Ergo, I didn't check.
Do you think www.whitehouse.com (Extremely NSFW in case you've never heard) - would exist if the good folks at www.whitehouse.gov had any legal recourse?
Orson Scott Card was Right!
Only every Economics teacher (Liberal or Conservative) I've ever had.
Jury Nullification refers to a rendering of a not guilty verdict by a trial jury, disagreeing with the instructions by the judge concerning what the law is, or whether such law is applicable to the case, taking into account all of the evidence presented.
You not only have the right to do so, but the civic duty. In this case, being charged thousands of dollars per song she wasn't commercializing is simply ridiculous.
I agree with you in principle, she broke the law and deserves some kind of punishment. The damage inflicted by her, however, doesn't fit the punishment she recieved.
It breaks my heart that none of the Mods have seen Time Bandits...
+1 funny everyone!
Saturn stores here in Germany have massive numbers of Wii's.
I just walked in and got one.
Use more than one source and you won't have that problem.
Will it include the giant Nasal Passages as a dungeon?