As far as the cases I have seen go, ATX and AT does imply a power supply location change as well as the MOBO pins and connections change.
Of course the pins, ATX allows 'soft' power on/off, AT does not. But they're all on wires. Just about all ps's are the same size, so that's not an issue. The mb just needs to fit the case. Obviously, it helps if the case is already cut for the mb you're using. But nothing should ever need to be moved (486's with heat sinks and fans weren't much shorter than slot1 Pentium chips).
(Though I admit I have not seen all cases ever produced.) I do not remember the power supply location being listed in the specs of an ATX mobo though, it could be one of those "no where else to put it" type things.
I would have just left it at that, except for the specs;)
While I've never seen towers with ps's anywhere but on top in the back, if you goto AMD's site, they have a 'case design' PDF which shows exactly how they want air to flow through cases - including how the ps in tower cases is suppose to exhaust the heat from the CPU.
The connections at the back wouldn't have anywhere to go since ATX cases have a rectangular bland are that allows the motherboard manufactuers to put whatever they want.
Except that's not nearly as standard as an AT footprint.
By contrast AT cases have a specific place for the keyboard and then cutouts for serial and parallel ports (which are on ribbons, so you can reposition them).
You assume your ports are ON the motherboard:P
So I'm guessing you cut up the back of your case (or found an AT mb for a P3 which I didn't realize existed), which is also not something many people would do, especially since it can kill airflow if you do it incorrectly.
I have an AT motherboard for a P3. It has USB/Serial/Parallel/IDE On it, and takes either an AT or an ATX powersupply. ATX power supplies suck. Of course, Windows doens't always work right on it. It likes to crash with APM garbage. (I turn it off).
I haven't seen the video in question, but if it wasn't a full tower like yours, then the power supply would have had to be relocated, since the chip would be where the power supply on an AT is supposed to be.
Huh? I have been working with PC's since the 286 days (I even used a table saw to shave down a 286 board to fit in a CompUSA 486 case), and I have no idea what you're talking about. What does AT vs ATX have anything to do with the location of the power supply? On a desktop, the ps can 'hover' over the mb. But any decent case is going to have the power supply well out of the way of the CPU.
Though on the new towers, the power supply is supposed to do the venting for the cpu., that doesn't mean it would need to be moved for an AT MB. A full-AT just wouldn't fit. A baby-AT wouldn't fit any differently than an ATX board,except the location of the slots/inputs, of course.
There are as many footprints for AT boards are there are input layouts for ATX boards.
For the folks that do not build their own, that's a P1, 486, 386 class computer motherboard case. It wasnt a gaming machine, it was junk that they trashed.
FYI, my "AT" is a PIII 800 with 512MB of RAM, with ISA, PCI and AGP slots.
Some of use don't see the need to replace our kick-ass FULL-TOWER case from '93 and our AWE 32's;)
"I see you have Linux here. Just a word of advice, we are going to be pursuing litigation over some of "our" intellectual rights that have been stolen, and we really want to keep our customers protected. You may want to move to MS products before you get caught up in something ugly.
For your own protection."
"Hi. I see you've recently bought Kenmore Microwave model 1610. We here at Schitzo Microsystems are currently engaged in an IP suit agaist Kenmore for their methods of working with time. Kenmore has used our IP methods to determine that '90' was 90 'seconds' and 100 was 1 minute (60 seconds). We suggest you purchase the Schitzo 7000 to ensure you don't get caught up in something ugly."
IMHO, If you purchase another product because the parent companies are bickering, you need to be flogged.
Of course, in this particular case, I can't be sure the bank didn't just screw up and miss this particular bill in the replacement they are required to do.
Having worked for a bank in the past, I can't say that I know everything that happens on the teller line, but I can't believe they would actually check bills.
I bet they leave it to the larger banks and the Fed to do the sorting.
"It will still have a different watermark and security strip. You could tell the difference in about 15 seconds," Ferguson said.
Umm. 15 seconds is the MAX time a credit card terminal should take to authorize a transaction (including dial-time which should only be once if you have a lot of customers in a line). Do they really think people are going to spend that amount of time, PER BILL for each customer?
On the occasion that your skill is needed, they call you, you translate (often over the phone, often for just a few minutes) and you get paid for the time spent.
hehe..
The phone rings in Carly Fiorna's leather clad office (does she match? We'll leave that to the reader) at HP.
"Hello?"
"Oh Hi. Sure, I have a few minutes."
"HerghDaj tlhappu' SuvwI'na'" ....
Can you see YOUR CEO talking Klingon in a three-piece suit?
If need be remind your boss that it is your ass on the line if something goes wrong with the servers and you'll be the one showing up to work at 4AM on a Sunday to fix the issue.
No kidding. Upper Management never seems to remember it's not THEM building the network, it's you. So they're concerned about how THEY will look if something does work, well, that goes both ways. If YOU are setting up a crap network, not only will you be the one coming in on off-hours to repair it, but your voice will carry less and less weight as it gets worse and worse..
That actually piggy-backs the consulting Ask Slashdot from a few weeks ago.. If you're going to get stuck supporting garbage, and you know it, speak up! While the money may be good in the short term, the company will probably pay someone else to put something new in because you've been associated with the garbage.
Maybe I got this wrong, but -- you used to be able to generate HTML reports that clients could easily read, but they've now removed that feature, forcing you to export in native format. (That's not exactly true, but for the sake of argument, let's say it is.) This forces those clients to buy their own copies to read the reports you generate.
That's frustrating, and arguably sleazy, although I can see their motivation for doing it. And I'm sure they didn't advertise "Now missing one of your favorite features!" on the box.
So... That's like buying Visual Foxpro, writing an application, and then discovering you have to buy VFP for each of the Linux workstations that you want to deploy your application to...
I once watched a co-worker use a shop vac inside a very dusty PC. The shop vac sucked a chip out of its socket....
Or the opposite... I once got a discount on a tow for installing a tape drive in the owner's PC. There's nothing like a compressed air hose for blowing out a PC in a machanics shop.
Just make sure you have the rubber feet on the bottom...
The DLT tapes we use are under $45 a piece, but perhaps they're of a smaller capacity...
Maybe I've mis-spoken the type. (It's almost 3 years ago now that I left) These were Sony tape's with some special chip or memory or something.. AIT! That's it. I think. I don't think the capacity was all that great (40GB? uncompressed), but the AIT was part of the kicker.
Oh PLEASE! I worked for, what was at the time, the 17th largest CC processor in the nation. [...] There were no 'compliance' worries at all.
I think he was referring to real banks. Like those that actually have a compelling reason to comply with regulations (as in, they get audited because they also handle scrutities, insurance products, etc.). CC processors are considered the trash men of the financial industry.
I apologize, I didn't add that in. This was a real bank. It was a bank, and credit card processor, Home Lending, and credit card issuer. When CC processors are banks (like Chase), they have much more flexibility than just the plain old CC processor. Though I wouldn't disagree with your trashmen analogy. What other industry can you make a HUGE living without actually having anything to sell? It's like subletting... Someone else can handle the merchant accounts, the settlement, the terminal programming, the customer service.. you really don't need to have a thing yourself..
Backups aren't just for the heck of it...some of them are required for compliance, i.e. the financial industry.
Oh PLEASE! I worked for, what was at the time, the 17th largest CC processor in the nation. Not so big, but lots of merchants. They bought a front-end (where your credit card terminals dial into), and built a backend settlement (so they didn't need FDR - who recently ROYALLY hosed everyone with a software update, including CHASE themselves. No, this software update was completely seperate from the SQL Slammer worm that took them down when it appeared.).
Complaince, usually done by the OTS (Office of Thrift Supervision), is NOT ISO 9000 type stuff. Financial companies are CHEAP. Never forget that. Whatever is the cheapest solution, is the one that is used.
As for tape backups - as an example: It took quite a bit of convincing to upgrade from the 4 drives that took two days to backup the whole network to a single Sont DLT drive. (Because $70/tape is a LOT of money)
There were no 'compliance' worries at all.
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don't touch GPL code if you want to keep your software proprietary.
As I understand it, if you're not REDISTRIBUTING your software, you don't have to release any source code. So you could grab Apache (is that GPL? assuming it is), use all of it for your OWN INTERNAL Web Server, but adding some proprietary customizations for your web store, and not release your final source.
Now, if you tried to sell that new webserver software to other web stores, THEN you'd have to release your code, and then yes, IMHO, it is viral in a sense, but you didn't start from the ground up with your software either...
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Of course the pins, ATX allows 'soft' power on/off, AT does not. But they're all on wires. Just about all ps's are the same size, so that's not an issue. The mb just needs to fit the case. Obviously, it helps if the case is already cut for the mb you're using. But nothing should ever need to be moved (486's with heat sinks and fans weren't much shorter than slot1 Pentium chips).
(Though I admit I have not seen all cases ever produced.) I do not remember the power supply location being listed in the specs of an ATX mobo though, it could be one of those "no where else to put it" type things.
I would have just left it at that, except for the specs ;)
While I've never seen towers with ps's anywhere but on top in the back, if you goto AMD's site, they have a 'case design' PDF which shows exactly how they want air to flow through cases - including how the ps in tower cases is suppose to exhaust the heat from the CPU.
Except that's not nearly as standard as an AT footprint.
By contrast AT cases have a specific place for the keyboard and then cutouts for serial and parallel ports (which are on ribbons, so you can reposition them).
You assume your ports are ON the motherboard :P
So I'm guessing you cut up the back of your case (or found an AT mb for a P3 which I didn't realize existed), which is also not something many people would do, especially since it can kill airflow if you do it incorrectly.
I have an AT motherboard for a P3. It has USB/Serial/Parallel/IDE On it, and takes either an AT or an ATX powersupply. ATX power supplies suck. Of course, Windows doens't always work right on it. It likes to crash with APM garbage. (I turn it off).
I haven't seen the video in question, but if it wasn't a full tower like yours, then the power supply would have had to be relocated, since the chip would be where the power supply on an AT is supposed to be.
Huh? I have been working with PC's since the 286 days (I even used a table saw to shave down a 286 board to fit in a CompUSA 486 case), and I have no idea what you're talking about. What does AT vs ATX have anything to do with the location of the power supply? On a desktop, the ps can 'hover' over the mb. But any decent case is going to have the power supply well out of the way of the CPU.
Though on the new towers, the power supply is supposed to do the venting for the cpu., that doesn't mean it would need to be moved for an AT MB. A full-AT just wouldn't fit. A baby-AT wouldn't fit any differently than an ATX board,except the location of the slots/inputs, of course.
There are as many footprints for AT boards are there are input layouts for ATX boards.
For the folks that do not build their own, that's a P1, 486, 386 class computer motherboard case. It wasnt a gaming machine, it was junk that they trashed.
FYI, my "AT" is a PIII 800 with 512MB of RAM, with ISA, PCI and AGP slots.
Some of use don't see the need to replace our kick-ass FULL-TOWER case from '93 and our AWE 32's ;)
Just thought you'd like to know :P
Or, more specifically, we're all bastard descendants..
You idiot, the tv doesn't get screwed up, that's the razor making your face vibrate.
No kidding. How many people here pay for commercial support of their CLOSED SOURCE OS/Software?
Not me.
I was just looking at this item from Dlink for doing just that sort of thing. A quick search shows it's only around $50 on the 'net.
For your own protection."
"Hi. I see you've recently bought Kenmore Microwave model 1610. We here at Schitzo Microsystems are currently engaged in an IP suit agaist Kenmore for their methods of working with time. Kenmore has used our IP methods to determine that '90' was 90 'seconds' and 100 was 1 minute (60 seconds). We suggest you purchase the Schitzo 7000 to ensure you don't get caught up in something ugly."
IMHO, If you purchase another product because the parent companies are bickering, you need to be flogged.
NOBODY would use that for a project name...
Wait, I'm going to use it ;)
Having worked for a bank in the past, I can't say that I know everything that happens on the teller line, but I can't believe they would actually check bills.
I bet they leave it to the larger banks and the Fed to do the sorting.
Umm. 15 seconds is the MAX time a credit card terminal should take to authorize a transaction (including dial-time which should only be once if you have a lot of customers in a line). Do they really think people are going to spend that amount of time, PER BILL for each customer?
Yesterday. No foolin.
And not everybody keeps their money in banks.
hehe..
....
The phone rings in Carly Fiorna's leather clad office (does she match? We'll leave that to the reader) at HP.
"Hello?"
"Oh Hi. Sure, I have a few minutes."
"HerghDaj tlhappu' SuvwI'na'"
Can you see YOUR CEO talking Klingon in a three-piece suit?
No kidding. Upper Management never seems to remember it's not THEM building the network, it's you. So they're concerned about how THEY will look if something does work, well, that goes both ways. If YOU are setting up a crap network, not only will you be the one coming in on off-hours to repair it, but your voice will carry less and less weight as it gets worse and worse..
That actually piggy-backs the consulting Ask Slashdot from a few weeks ago.. If you're going to get stuck supporting garbage, and you know it, speak up! While the money may be good in the short term, the company will probably pay someone else to put something new in because you've been associated with the garbage.
heh. But the Democracy of Language says, "If enough people use it, it will become a word".
Where do you think language came from in the first place?
That's frustrating, and arguably sleazy, although I can see their motivation for doing it. And I'm sure they didn't advertise "Now missing one of your favorite features!" on the box.
So... That's like buying Visual Foxpro, writing an application, and then discovering you have to buy VFP for each of the Linux workstations that you want to deploy your application to...
Right?
No, but I used to be a tech at a Best Buy alongside I-94.
One day I had the speakers cranked, and unplugged, (I had just worked on a sound card) and out shot a trucker's voice from his CB.
Scared the shit out of me..
Or the opposite... I once got a discount on a tow for installing a tape drive in the owner's PC. There's nothing like a compressed air hose for blowing out a PC in a machanics shop.
Just make sure you have the rubber feet on the bottom...
Or, to go along with the Metallica themed poll..
Eye Of The Beholder:
Doesn't Matter What You See?
Or into it What You Read
You Can Do it Your Own Way
If It's Done Just How I Say
That's right: explosives.
Thank you, I'll be relieving you of your girlfriend now..
Maybe I've mis-spoken the type. (It's almost 3 years ago now that I left) These were Sony tape's with some special chip or memory or something.. AIT! That's it. I think. I don't think the capacity was all that great (40GB? uncompressed), but the AIT was part of the kicker.
I apologize, I didn't add that in. This was a real bank. It was a bank, and credit card processor, Home Lending, and credit card issuer. When CC processors are banks (like Chase), they have much more flexibility than just the plain old CC processor. Though I wouldn't disagree with your trashmen analogy. What other industry can you make a HUGE living without actually having anything to sell? It's like subletting... Someone else can handle the merchant accounts, the settlement, the terminal programming, the customer service.. you really don't need to have a thing yourself..
Oh PLEASE! I worked for, what was at the time, the 17th largest CC processor in the nation. Not so big, but lots of merchants. They bought a front-end (where your credit card terminals dial into), and built a backend settlement (so they didn't need FDR - who recently ROYALLY hosed everyone with a software update, including CHASE themselves. No, this software update was completely seperate from the SQL Slammer worm that took them down when it appeared.).
Complaince, usually done by the OTS (Office of Thrift Supervision), is NOT ISO 9000 type stuff. Financial companies are CHEAP. Never forget that. Whatever is the cheapest solution, is the one that is used.
As for tape backups - as an example: It took quite a bit of convincing to upgrade from the 4 drives that took two days to backup the whole network to a single Sont DLT drive. (Because $70/tape is a LOT of money)
There were no 'compliance' worries at all.
Surprise, surprise, God owns stock in Birkenstock
You just can't pray for a celebrity endorsement like that..
As I understand it, if you're not REDISTRIBUTING your software, you don't have to release any source code. So you could grab Apache (is that GPL? assuming it is), use all of it for your OWN INTERNAL Web Server, but adding some proprietary customizations for your web store, and not release your final source.
Now, if you tried to sell that new webserver software to other web stores, THEN you'd have to release your code, and then yes, IMHO, it is viral in a sense, but you didn't start from the ground up with your software either...