Mercury Mail, from David Harris, the author of Pegasus Mail, I believe does what you're looking for.
I think it's the best of both worlds. Your 'INBOX' is like MailDir, where each 'new' message is a seperate text file. Once you've 'Filed' that message, however, it's compressed into a single file along with the rest of the emails for that folder.
Personally, I think you're looking at the WRONG aspects of mail servers. You're getting way too technical. Nobody gives a shit about wasted inodes. When's the last time you defragmented ANY disk?
The reason I use Mercury, is because of it's exceptional Netware NDS integration. Combine that with Pegasus Mail's NDS integration, and you have 'Roaming' users without all the profile garbage (Pegasus will use NDS calls to see 'who' you are, and read your email from your home directory). Oh, and it's free.
To bad it hasn't been ported to Linux.. along with the PAM stuff needed to keep up the kick-ass user integration:)
Remember, we're talking about a 10 year old Alpha project.
Never you mind the fact that Windows is a 20 year old alpha product...
Exactly my point. You have a 10x the number of programmers in the Wine group constantly making changes to Windows, and the Wine group thinks they can catch up in their spare time.
Ever play Othello? You can't win by NOT losing some ground once in a while. My whole point is Wine/Codeweavers need to keep sight of the final point, and if some code isn't contributed back, that's just a minor setback in the long haul.
To me, it's like going through McDonalds Drive-thru, ordering, and paying for a BigMac Meal. But instead you get a Hamburger Value Meal. I personally wouldn't go back bitching about what I perceive to be a little thing, because I know in the long haul I'll come out even (say a 32oz shake instead of a 16oz one). I don't see the Wine project gaining any ground over this petty bickering they've been going on about for the past 6 months or so.
On a personal note, where the FUCK is my regression fix. Oh it's a HARD one, so we'll just work on something else. *sigh* I guess I'll just run something else.
Refuse to support businesses? Codeweavers have 2 outstanding products which actually work and you don't see them complaining about the license change.
Actually, Codeweavers INITIATED the license change. They made the last big push needed to get everyone over to LGPL. Note they also control the source tree. (Now who's more likely to have a patch accepted?)
They package the tools to make their software work and the patches go back to wine. You do not see Transgaming doing the same sort of thing with their "product."
You mean actually providing end users something that works, and not just proper stubbing? There comes a time when people want RESULTS, not a pretty piece of framework. Both CodeWeavers and Transgaming have provided both, but based on different business models.
Codeweavers does consulting, and integrates their fixes into Wine AFTER THEY'VE BEEN PAID (by the company they were hired by). They've ALREADY been paid for that work before it's submitted to Wine. Transgaming will provide their patches to Wine, provided they can get paid for it. TransGaming is just doing the work FIRST, then asking for payment. You just don't see that CodeWeavers IS getting paid for coding Wine. End users are just bitching because they aren't getting a free ride from Transgaming.
They just keep hacking at winex till games run and then release it! There is no real product there, it is just one big hack!
Running Win32 apps on Unix ISN'T a big hack? What's your point? You're just favoring one companies hack over anothers. You're saying Codeweavers business model should exist (selling services to companies) and that Transgamings model (selling services/software to end users) shouldn't exist. It seems strange then, that the company that has the GPL-compatible business model is in control of the source-tree/direction of Wine..
You mean one business took advantage of something, and leveraged the other guy out? I thought the GPL was supposed to make everything equal? Looks like there may be some dirty business tactics in there to me..
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It is fine to pay programmers to do work and then sell that work for a moderate fee. However, their BASE was taken from a free project.
More on that in a bit:)
What erks me royally is the idea that Debian wants to do something that could fall quite in line with the available license and the WineX guys are throwing a fit.
Unfortunately, someone screwed up, and Transgaming has to save their ass. Either they should have picked a license that covers this issue, or they should have realized that Wine/Codeweavers would change to the GPL.
I have no objections to turning a profit, but these guys seem to forget their roots.
Personally, I find these kinds of statements amusing. The current Wine guys aren't the ones who originated the project. I believe Alexandre Julliard has been there the longest, but I don't think he started it.
So to 'remember your roots', they should be working on Wine in the faith of the original author, no?
Maybe people shouldn't code for idealism, but just towards a working product? Just a thought...
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Without our contributions, they will fail.
That's exactly what will happen to Wine because they refuse to support businesses, and refuse to recognize the potential for the project they ALL inherited.
There are HUGE issues that need to be addresses that will take a LOT of time. Only businesses can help make that happen before 2010.
Remember, we're talking about a 10 year old Alpha project.
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Look at the facts. WINE got mad that Transgaming wasn't contributing fast enough, so they effectively took their ball and went home by changing their license on everyone. Transgaming now contributes to the Rewind project, which can accept their work and is glad to do so.
WINE got mad? Who controls the source tree? CodeWeavers. Who controls WINE? Who got mad at TransGaming for not contributing fast enough? Who doesn't want to 'trade code'?
Transgaming has offered to release some of it's heftier work in trade for more 'free' work on another area - which would be done for free anyways-, but that suggestion was refused. Apparently business need to carry more weight than people working on the side, but can't make any money on it either. Way to go guys!
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Right now, I am a paid subscriber to Transgaming. If they don't get their act together - and I mean soon - they are going to have one less subscriber. I will not support a company that doesn't contribute to free software.
Huh? They DO contribute to free software (ReWind for sure, which Wine can then mooch off of Transgaming - see how that works both ways?), but they PAY PROGRAMMERS TO DO IT FULL TIME. Where do you think the money comes from? When's the last time you DONATED to a free project?
Imagine an OS from IBM that runs Lotus Notes, SmartSuite, apache, bash, mysql, postgresql, Java, OS/2 apps, Windows Apps (through Wine?), etc etc.
OS/2 in it's current form pretty much does all that, or is very close. The big advantage OS/2 has, is it was made for 486's, so it screams on current hardware, if you have supported hardware. For example, you have to grab a newer IDE driver, and create a new install disk just to install Warp 4 on a >4GB HD. See Odin for Win32 support, and see EcomStation for the latest version of OS/2
Environmental activism is supposed to be all about preserving "Earth's delicate balance," of which extinction is a natural, and vital process.
Now that I agree with. Humans are a part of the environment, therefore, our impact on the environment is natural.
But, of course, they'll overlook that if it means injecting a cutesy-woosty puddy-tat back into a wild that no longer finds the critter-witter necessary, because we got one over on the evil-weevil human beings.
That's a little over-stated, but humans did HUNT them to extention. I don't feel we have a moral responsibility to save/regenerate the species, but I think this is the closest case to it
Now, aren't Kangaroo's major pests? Can these things live on Kangaroo's?
Am I the only one who thinks College isn't necessary?
Some say it "Opens Doors". Sure, it CAN open some doors, but it depends on what those doors are. Someone else WILL offer the same position, without the bull. If you're being disqualified becuase you don't have a college degree, then maybe those employers aren't looking at the job REQUIREMENTS. Not the list of letters a potential candidate needs, but what the candidate needs to know to get the job done.
I've already gotten a few job consultancy offers in the area. What has the experience been for any of you out in the tech industry? For you that went to college, did it truly help? And for you that didn't go to college, has it been harder for you to find a job? Also, if you believe that I should go to college, what should I major in? But if you think I shouldn't, what certifications would hold valuable in the future, and what kind of job positions should I take now?"
The only thing I miss about not going to college, is the party life. If you can go on someone elses tab, then go. Otherwise I would suggest taking a job at the consultancy, and getting as many certs as you can on your downtime. Then work towards your personal goals.
I personally like to do as many different things as possible, but I also like control. Luckily, I've found a job that provides me both (small company, I'm the only tech, so I'm IT Manager:). Is that what you're looking for? Then learn all you can, and make that your goal.
Your biggest hurdle is going to be at the interview. I'm a shy person, so I tend to babble. Get it under control. Research the company you want to work for BEFORE you even send out your resume. You'll want to adjust it, and your cover letter, to match your job skills with the job you want more accurately
(get a hair cut, and buy some new clothes).
I only had a problem with no college degree at a bank. We're talking suits galore, and a political atmosphere I didn't really like anyways. But it was a great learning experience, because I couldn't buy a damn thing!:) (And now I consult for that former boss - where I couldn't move 'up' because I didn't have a degree, I've come back to make much more because of experience and respect.)
If you don't like politics, go small business.
At the end of the day, you're not going to be satisifed with your decision:)
Either you're going to wish you had gone to college, or think it was a waste of your time.
It's pretty crappy that NetCraft includes all those domain names that are just parked on webservers. One provider moves web servers one way or another, and it appears that there's a huge migration somewhere.
Migrating empty virtual hosts isn't what 95% of the internet will be doing when evaluating a 'new' web server.
One thing that might help is to change how Opera identifies itself. On the version I have, it defaults to IE 5, when I have a problem I switch it to Netscape.
Except it could be argued, How are we to level the playing field (removing IE-only sites), if we browse pretending to be IE?
Isn't there some kind software authentication on the X Box that keeps just any x86 program from being executed on it (i.e. it only allows registered games to play)?
Good question.. Has anyone tried burning a CD/DVD with something like Opera on it, and throwing an autorun in the root dir?
4. cowsay
An easy way to add speaking and thinking cows to anything.
Yeah, that obviously applies. On top of that, did anyone notice the spelling of Catalog? catalogue That wouldn't have been my first attempt (was it Cliff's?).
And some of you wonder why the guy just asked./ instead of looking for himself.
"Even if this was just an in-house configuration error, that's still
very unprofessional. It's just pretty lame," said Osbourne, who
reported that NeuLevel's sites were unreachable for several hours as
the company apparently worked to correct the problem.
That's really just a 'sound bite', the original quote was (in the voice of Comic Book Guy):
"Even if this was just an in-house configuration error, that's still
very unprofessional. It's just pretty lame. I mean, anybody who's anybody would use 'Hulk' for their main server and 'The_Flash' for their web server, denoting both power, and unrivaled quickness."
For those who haven't caught on yet, this is why the MPAA and RIAA dislike technology so strongly.
Oh yeah, these 'perfect' copies remind me of trying to watch softporn through static on TMC.
"Standard" piracy isn't any better, or more widespread, than it was in the 80's.
Sure there's high quality stuff out there, but there's high quality drugs out there too.. Which do you think you'll get a hold of?
I think of it like Fort Knox:
Where do you find pirated movies? The Internet.
Where do you find Gold bars? Fort Knox.
Where CAN you get pirated movies. The internet, sort of, if you know the FTP site, or manage to have a complete news server, then MAYBE..
Where CAN you get gold? Fort Knox, if you have a small army with you..
Make a game about the American Revolution. Then raise a big stink about how you can't use it to teach children about how y'all threw off the shackles of the British Monarchy, because it's illegal for children to learn about such things.
I think the 'Troll' (as is marked right now) has a point, I was basically apalled in 2nd grade Lutheran School when I learned of the "Childrens Crusade". Make a game based on that, just don't put the religous twist on it right away.
Basically, advocating having kids go out and kill people for a chunk of land..
Needless to day, I didn't do so well in Lutheran school..
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I think it's the best of both worlds. Your 'INBOX' is like MailDir, where each 'new' message is a seperate text file. Once you've 'Filed' that message, however, it's compressed into a single file along with the rest of the emails for that folder.
Personally, I think you're looking at the WRONG aspects of mail servers. You're getting way too technical. Nobody gives a shit about wasted inodes. When's the last time you defragmented ANY disk?
The reason I use Mercury, is because of it's exceptional Netware NDS integration. Combine that with Pegasus Mail's NDS integration, and you have 'Roaming' users without all the profile garbage (Pegasus will use NDS calls to see 'who' you are, and read your email from your home directory). Oh, and it's free.
To bad it hasn't been ported to Linux.. along with the PAM stuff needed to keep up the kick-ass user integration :)
Never you mind the fact that Windows is a 20 year old alpha product...
Exactly my point. You have a 10x the number of programmers in the Wine group constantly making changes to Windows, and the Wine group thinks they can catch up in their spare time.
Ever play Othello? You can't win by NOT losing some ground once in a while. My whole point is Wine/Codeweavers need to keep sight of the final point, and if some code isn't contributed back, that's just a minor setback in the long haul.
To me, it's like going through McDonalds Drive-thru, ordering, and paying for a BigMac Meal. But instead you get a Hamburger Value Meal. I personally wouldn't go back bitching about what I perceive to be a little thing, because I know in the long haul I'll come out even (say a 32oz shake instead of a 16oz one). I don't see the Wine project gaining any ground over this petty bickering they've been going on about for the past 6 months or so.
On a personal note, where the FUCK is my regression fix. Oh it's a HARD one, so we'll just work on something else. *sigh* I guess I'll just run something else.
Actually, Codeweavers INITIATED the license change. They made the last big push needed to get everyone over to LGPL. Note they also control the source tree. (Now who's more likely to have a patch accepted?)
They package the tools to make their software work and the patches go back to wine. You do not see Transgaming doing the same sort of thing with their "product."
You mean actually providing end users something that works, and not just proper stubbing? There comes a time when people want RESULTS, not a pretty piece of framework. Both CodeWeavers and Transgaming have provided both, but based on different business models.
Codeweavers does consulting, and integrates their fixes into Wine AFTER THEY'VE BEEN PAID (by the company they were hired by). They've ALREADY been paid for that work before it's submitted to Wine. Transgaming will provide their patches to Wine, provided they can get paid for it. TransGaming is just doing the work FIRST, then asking for payment. You just don't see that CodeWeavers IS getting paid for coding Wine. End users are just bitching because they aren't getting a free ride from Transgaming.
They just keep hacking at winex till games run and then release it! There is no real product there, it is just one big hack!
Running Win32 apps on Unix ISN'T a big hack? What's your point? You're just favoring one companies hack over anothers. You're saying Codeweavers business model should exist (selling services to companies) and that Transgamings model (selling services/software to end users) shouldn't exist. It seems strange then, that the company that has the GPL-compatible business model is in control of the source-tree/direction of Wine..
You mean one business took advantage of something, and leveraged the other guy out? I thought the GPL was supposed to make everything equal? Looks like there may be some dirty business tactics in there to me..
More on that in a bit :)
What erks me royally is the idea that Debian wants to do something that could fall quite in line with the available license and the WineX guys are throwing a fit.
Unfortunately, someone screwed up, and Transgaming has to save their ass. Either they should have picked a license that covers this issue, or they should have realized that Wine/Codeweavers would change to the GPL.
I have no objections to turning a profit, but these guys seem to forget their roots.
Personally, I find these kinds of statements amusing. The current Wine guys aren't the ones who originated the project. I believe Alexandre Julliard has been there the longest, but I don't think he started it.
So to 'remember your roots', they should be working on Wine in the faith of the original author, no?
Maybe people shouldn't code for idealism, but just towards a working product? Just a thought...
That's exactly what will happen to Wine because they refuse to support businesses, and refuse to recognize the potential for the project they ALL inherited.
There are HUGE issues that need to be addresses that will take a LOT of time. Only businesses can help make that happen before 2010.
Remember, we're talking about a 10 year old Alpha project.
WINE got mad? Who controls the source tree?
CodeWeavers.
Who controls WINE?
Who got mad at TransGaming for not contributing fast enough?
Who doesn't want to 'trade code'?
Transgaming has offered to release some of it's heftier work in trade for more 'free' work on another area - which would be done for free anyways-, but that suggestion was refused. Apparently business need to carry more weight than people working on the side, but can't make any money on it either. Way to go guys!
Huh? They DO contribute to free software (ReWind for sure, which Wine can then mooch off of Transgaming - see how that works both ways?), but they PAY PROGRAMMERS TO DO IT FULL TIME. Where do you think the money comes from? When's the last time you DONATED to a free project?
OS/2 in it's current form pretty much does all that, or is very close. The big advantage OS/2 has, is it was made for 486's, so it screams on current hardware, if you have supported hardware. For example, you have to grab a newer IDE driver, and create a new install disk just to install Warp 4 on a >4GB HD. See Odin for Win32 support, and see EcomStation for the latest version of OS/2
Now that I agree with. Humans are a part of the environment, therefore, our impact on the environment is natural.
But, of course, they'll overlook that if it means injecting a cutesy-woosty puddy-tat back into a wild that no longer finds the critter-witter necessary, because we got one over on the evil-weevil human beings.
That's a little over-stated, but humans did HUNT them to extention. I don't feel we have a moral responsibility to save/regenerate the species, but I think this is the closest case to it
Now, aren't Kangaroo's major pests? Can these things live on Kangaroo's?
If they're that fierce, maybe they can help with the deer population problems in Wisconsin :)
err wait.. wrong thread.
Hey now!! I work for Valeo! Of COURSE Fitness is a goal! :P
Some say it "Opens Doors". Sure, it CAN open some doors, but it depends on what those doors are. Someone else WILL offer the same position, without the bull. If you're being disqualified becuase you don't have a college degree, then maybe those employers aren't looking at the job REQUIREMENTS. Not the list of letters a potential candidate needs, but what the candidate needs to know to get the job done.
I've already gotten a few job consultancy offers in the area. What has the experience been for any of you out in the tech industry? For you that went to college, did it truly help? And for you that didn't go to college, has it been harder for you to find a job? Also, if you believe that I should go to college, what should I major in? But if you think I shouldn't, what certifications would hold valuable in the future, and what kind of job positions should I take now?"
The only thing I miss about not going to college, is the party life. If you can go on someone elses tab, then go. Otherwise I would suggest taking a job at the consultancy, and getting as many certs as you can on your downtime. Then work towards your personal goals.
I personally like to do as many different things as possible, but I also like control. Luckily, I've found a job that provides me both (small company, I'm the only tech, so I'm IT Manager :). Is that what you're looking for? Then learn all you can, and make that your goal.
Your biggest hurdle is going to be at the interview. I'm a shy person, so I tend to babble. Get it under control. Research the company you want to work for BEFORE you even send out your resume. You'll want to adjust it, and your cover letter, to match your job skills with the job you want more accurately (get a hair cut, and buy some new clothes).
I only had a problem with no college degree at a bank. We're talking suits galore, and a political atmosphere I didn't really like anyways. But it was a great learning experience, because I couldn't buy a damn thing! :) (And now I consult for that former boss - where I couldn't move 'up' because I didn't have a degree, I've come back to make much more because of experience and respect.)
If you don't like politics, go small business.
At the end of the day, you're not going to be satisifed with your decision :)
Either you're going to wish you had gone to college, or think it was a waste of your time.
Migrating empty virtual hosts isn't what 95% of the internet will be doing when evaluating a 'new' web server.
Except it could be argued, How are we to level the playing field (removing IE-only sites), if we browse pretending to be IE?
Good question.. Has anyone tried burning a CD/DVD with something like Opera on it, and throwing an autorun in the root dir?
At first I thought you said "hot girls", and I thought, "Now there's something I didn't expect a geek to say.."
4. cowsay
An easy way to add speaking and thinking cows to anything.
Yeah, that obviously applies. On top of that, did anyone notice the spelling of Catalog?
catalogue
That wouldn't have been my first attempt (was it Cliff's?).
And some of you wonder why the guy just asked ./ instead of looking for himself.
That's really just a 'sound bite', the original quote was (in the voice of Comic Book Guy):
"Even if this was just an in-house configuration error, that's still very unprofessional. It's just pretty lame. I mean, anybody who's anybody would use 'Hulk' for their main server and 'The_Flash' for their web server, denoting both power, and unrivaled quickness."
It's pretty damn slow.. I'm sure SOMEONE will get into Fort Knox eventually :P
Maybe users dl's of AoTC will finish by May 20th ;)
Oh yeah, these 'perfect' copies remind me of trying to watch softporn through static on TMC.
"Standard" piracy isn't any better, or more widespread, than it was in the 80's.
Sure there's high quality stuff out there, but there's high quality drugs out there too.. Which do you think you'll get a hold of?
I think of it like Fort Knox:
Where do you find pirated movies? The Internet.
Where do you find Gold bars? Fort Knox.
Where CAN you get pirated movies. The internet, sort of, if you know the FTP site, or manage to have a complete news server, then MAYBE..
Where CAN you get gold? Fort Knox, if you have a small army with you..
So you see, GNU is already crediting Linus with spreading the GNU GPL, so Linus should do the same. :)
According to RMS, Acrobat should be called MS/Acrobat.
I thought the page was never going to finish loading..
I think the 'Troll' (as is marked right now) has a point, I was basically apalled in 2nd grade Lutheran School when I learned of the "Childrens Crusade". Make a game based on that, just don't put the religous twist on it right away.
Basically, advocating having kids go out and kill people for a chunk of land..
Needless to day, I didn't do so well in Lutheran school..