Stop your straw man arguments. I never said such a thing. I said YOU don't have the right to NOT be around cheaters. There is a difference. The only one with rights regarding cheaters is Blizzard and that right is limited to denying service to cheaters. They can't tell other business what they can and cannot do when they aren't violating their copyrights. WoWGlider never let anyone play WoW for free. They did not facilitate copying.
By supporting cheaters being shut down, I'm not supporting frivolous laws.
Your reasons for supporting frivolous laws do not make them any less frivolous. Should we make it a crime to cheat in Go Fish? Come on you bastard I know you have some twos!
a previous Blizzard case(emulators), and still using the software constitutes copyright infringement
No. Bzzt, wrong. That was completely different. They were allowing people to use the WoW client to connect to non-Blizzard servers thereby bypassing the need to pay Blizzard money. That is what copy protection is for. This is something completely unrelated. Just because you don't agree with the defendant doesn't mean you let the plaintiff walk all over the Constitution.
We aren't talking about the right to cheat. We are talking about the right to do whatever I want to RAM that I bought and paid for with my hard earned money. I can forgive the willingness to give up liberties for protection from terrorists but you're rolling over just because of some kids cheating on a video game? That's pathetic!
If playing WoW is "an ability that has been acquired by training" then so is jerking off. And in the words of Carlin "at least I have a little something to show for it when I'm done".
I hate cheaters too, but if I were to follow your ridiculous advice and not play games with cheaters that would cut out any and every single multi-player game in existence.
That's because you missed the point. I wasn't implying you actually try to find a game that is free of cheaters. I was trying to show you how ridiculous the idea of a game with no cheaters is. It's not going to happen.
To imply that they should be allowed to run rampant in the name of their 'freedom', is really stupid.
Wrong. I said we don't need to make laws about something we can regulate ourselves. We do it already. If you find someone cheating in a game you are playing, stop playing. It's very simple, costs nothing to implement and nobody has to go to jail. Otherwise we waste millions of dollars fighting a legal war over some bullshit issue. If you run a game and you don't want people cheating, ban them. If you can't afford to ban all the cheaters then reconsider your issue with cheaters.
that the players are competing on their 'skill' only
What skill? Clicking buttons? Memorizing key sequences? I fail to see the skill. If you consider that a skill why isn't configuring bot settings a skill. That involves clicking buttons and memorizing key sequences.
The fact is, you DON'T have the freedom to cheat freely and get away with it, so yes, stopping cheating is a good thing
The legal freedom, sure I do. That's the way it should be. You deal with in-game actions such as cheating in the game. What the hell is wrong with just banning people?
Cheating should be stopped because it ruins the competition of the games
That's your opinion. Others feel different. You should respect that. I'm not pro-cheating, I'm not saying it should be allowed, I'm saying we don't need bullshit frivolous laws for something we already regulate ourselves.
No, I'm saying time moves the same for both the bot and the human. It's a simple concept.
If Blizzard is implying that it's cheating because a bot doesn't need rest, then why isn't it cheating when some people have to work 8 hours a day and others can play WoW all day long? That's a real selective rule there. Want to know why? Because they pulled it out of their ass.
When combined with a video game you can usually go without any cheaters.
If you bought a video game instead of making friends then you'll just have to go on a game per game basis.
For example, when you're playing Unreal Tournament and some guy keeps doing 180's and putting a bullet through your head from across the map... it's a safe bet he's a cheater and you should move on.
Let me reiterate this point, your "right to not be inconvenienced" doesn't exist. Stop pissing away your liberties just so you don't have to be annoyed occasionally.
When a player's investment of personal time and effort building a character can be replicated by others in a fraction of the time through automated software
Bullmotherfuckingshit! You mean to tell me that a bot some how magically speeds the game up? Just because a bot can do something longer than a human can does not change the speed at which time moves.
Then Blizzard goes on and on about protecting the value of WoW. That's good and all but that's not what copyrights are for. While profit loss may seem like a crime to those corporate sharks, trust me it isn't. Build a better game instead of suing others because they did it for you.
Why? Because you don't like cheaters? Because your personal opinion supersedes the freedoms of others? We should all just stop doing whatever pisses you off? I have a better idea. If you don't like cheating, don't play games with cheaters. It's very simple, just like turning a TV channel or radio station. I bet you have difficulties with those too.
Ahh well I guess that depends on what you're selling. I never broke any laws so I wasn't concerned over that. My name's been on "the list" for years...
Funny, but as a former seller of rootkits and RATs it's usually done with e-gold, western union or other non-reversible methods of payment. I'm sure no self-respecting malware author would tolerate chargebacks, especially with the caliber of people you are dealing with on a day to day basis.
The only way you'll be having problems with your Vista laptop is if you plan on buying a bargan basement no frills machine that has minimal hardware specs.
That's not the only way, unless you consider my quad-core extreme, 4gb ram, 2x 8800 gtx sli a "no frills" machine. My problem with Vista is that during periods of heavy disk use I will randomly get a BSOD. At the moment, the only reliable way to obtain Vista is from an OEM. They use known working configurations and if something fails you can replace it easily. Otherwise you're just rolling the dice.
I'm a programmer making six figures a year. I dropped out of high school then I majored in CS and dropped out of that. I never even completed a single credit. So please don't tell me CS degrees aren't overrated and generally not needed. The only reason employers request a degree is because they are too lazy (read: not cost effective) to actually interview their employees and test their skills prior to hiring them. So you're pretty much screwed unless you make a name for yourself or start your own company. So please don't act like a CS is some magical piece of paper that is the only way to obtain programming knowledge. Just because you were too lazy to go to the library or read some PDF's. Did you think finite math books are only available at the campus book store?
Walked up on a group of 2 bandits, pumped a few rounds in one guys face and he drops like a rock. The other guy does absolutely nothing. Now maybe he won't miss the guy I killed but wouldn't you at least turn to get a look at the person that just sprayed brain matter all over you?
Then prove me wrong by providing something that's _been confirmed_ to affect anyone who wasn't deliberately experimenting with it in full knowledge of what it was.
If they don't affect anyone, they're proofs of concept, not malware, so my assertion of zero pieces of _malware_ for OS X still stands until you can provide some proof that this isn't the case.
The link I gave you earlier says "in the wild". That specifically means that it was encountered outside of a lab setting. If you want to say my proof is not factual then say so but don't accuse me of not offering any.
They look slick and impress newcomers. Then they ignore bugs, are slow to release patches and lock their customers into proprietary technologies. In other words, the same thing Microsoft has been doing for the past decade. The fact they can convince the general public they are doing otherwise is what's scary.
I have the free personal version. Any ideas where to get patches for that? Borland's site is a maze, especially now that they've branched into CodeGear.
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My money is on whoever rigs up a Amazon's Mechanical Turk-based system fast enough.
Because you'd really want thousands of random people reading your emails looking for spam?
Bull, you don't have the right to cheat.
Stop your straw man arguments. I never said such a thing. I said YOU don't have the right to NOT be around cheaters. There is a difference. The only one with rights regarding cheaters is Blizzard and that right is limited to denying service to cheaters. They can't tell other business what they can and cannot do when they aren't violating their copyrights. WoWGlider never let anyone play WoW for free. They did not facilitate copying.
By supporting cheaters being shut down, I'm not supporting frivolous laws.
Your reasons for supporting frivolous laws do not make them any less frivolous. Should we make it a crime to cheat in Go Fish? Come on you bastard I know you have some twos!
a previous Blizzard case(emulators), and still using the software constitutes copyright infringement
No. Bzzt, wrong. That was completely different. They were allowing people to use the WoW client to connect to non-Blizzard servers thereby bypassing the need to pay Blizzard money. That is what copy protection is for. This is something completely unrelated. Just because you don't agree with the defendant doesn't mean you let the plaintiff walk all over the Constitution.
We aren't talking about the right to cheat. We are talking about the right to do whatever I want to RAM that I bought and paid for with my hard earned money. I can forgive the willingness to give up liberties for protection from terrorists but you're rolling over just because of some kids cheating on a video game? That's pathetic!
If playing WoW is "an ability that has been acquired by training" then so is jerking off. And in the words of Carlin "at least I have a little something to show for it when I'm done".
The line is drawn 2 feet behind you. Move back 2 feet please. Ok thank you. Wait the line is 2 feet behind you again. Please move back 2 feet again.
Get the idea?
I hate cheaters too, but if I were to follow your ridiculous advice and not play games with cheaters that would cut out any and every single multi-player game in existence.
That's because you missed the point. I wasn't implying you actually try to find a game that is free of cheaters. I was trying to show you how ridiculous the idea of a game with no cheaters is. It's not going to happen.
To imply that they should be allowed to run rampant in the name of their 'freedom', is really stupid.
Wrong. I said we don't need to make laws about something we can regulate ourselves. We do it already. If you find someone cheating in a game you are playing, stop playing. It's very simple, costs nothing to implement and nobody has to go to jail. Otherwise we waste millions of dollars fighting a legal war over some bullshit issue. If you run a game and you don't want people cheating, ban them. If you can't afford to ban all the cheaters then reconsider your issue with cheaters.
that the players are competing on their 'skill' only
What skill? Clicking buttons? Memorizing key sequences? I fail to see the skill. If you consider that a skill why isn't configuring bot settings a skill. That involves clicking buttons and memorizing key sequences.
The fact is, you DON'T have the freedom to cheat freely and get away with it, so yes, stopping cheating is a good thing
The legal freedom, sure I do. That's the way it should be. You deal with in-game actions such as cheating in the game. What the hell is wrong with just banning people?
Cheating should be stopped because it ruins the competition of the games
That's your opinion. Others feel different. You should respect that. I'm not pro-cheating, I'm not saying it should be allowed, I'm saying we don't need bullshit frivolous laws for something we already regulate ourselves.
No, I'm saying time moves the same for both the bot and the human. It's a simple concept.
If Blizzard is implying that it's cheating because a bot doesn't need rest, then why isn't it cheating when some people have to work 8 hours a day and others can play WoW all day long? That's a real selective rule there. Want to know why? Because they pulled it out of their ass.
There are these things called "friends".
"Friends" usually have this stuff called "trust".
When combined with a video game you can usually go without any cheaters.
If you bought a video game instead of making friends then you'll just have to go on a game per game basis.
For example, when you're playing Unreal Tournament and some guy keeps doing 180's and putting a bullet through your head from across the map... it's a safe bet he's a cheater and you should move on.
Let me reiterate this point, your "right to not be inconvenienced" doesn't exist. Stop pissing away your liberties just so you don't have to be annoyed occasionally.
When a player's investment of personal time and effort building a character can be replicated by others in a fraction of the time through automated software
Bullmotherfuckingshit! You mean to tell me that a bot some how magically speeds the game up? Just because a bot can do something longer than a human can does not change the speed at which time moves.
Then Blizzard goes on and on about protecting the value of WoW. That's good and all but that's not what copyrights are for. While profit loss may seem like a crime to those corporate sharks, trust me it isn't. Build a better game instead of suing others because they did it for you.
Stopping cheating is a good thing.
Why? Because you don't like cheaters? Because your personal opinion supersedes the freedoms of others? We should all just stop doing whatever pisses you off? I have a better idea. If you don't like cheating, don't play games with cheaters. It's very simple, just like turning a TV channel or radio station. I bet you have difficulties with those too.
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Ahh well I guess that depends on what you're selling. I never broke any laws so I wasn't concerned over that. My name's been on "the list" for years...
Funny, but as a former seller of rootkits and RATs it's usually done with e-gold, western union or other non-reversible methods of payment. I'm sure no self-respecting malware author would tolerate chargebacks, especially with the caliber of people you are dealing with on a day to day basis.
Ouch, that would be even worse for me because I don't wear socks on my feet.
The only way you'll be having problems with your Vista laptop is if you plan on buying a bargan basement no frills machine that has minimal hardware specs.
That's not the only way, unless you consider my quad-core extreme, 4gb ram, 2x 8800 gtx sli a "no frills" machine. My problem with Vista is that during periods of heavy disk use I will randomly get a BSOD. At the moment, the only reliable way to obtain Vista is from an OEM. They use known working configurations and if something fails you can replace it easily. Otherwise you're just rolling the dice.
A little full of yourself eh?
I'm a programmer making six figures a year. I dropped out of high school then I majored in CS and dropped out of that. I never even completed a single credit. So please don't tell me CS degrees aren't overrated and generally not needed. The only reason employers request a degree is because they are too lazy (read: not cost effective) to actually interview their employees and test their skills prior to hiring them. So you're pretty much screwed unless you make a name for yourself or start your own company. So please don't act like a CS is some magical piece of paper that is the only way to obtain programming knowledge. Just because you were too lazy to go to the library or read some PDF's. Did you think finite math books are only available at the campus book store?
If you drive a car off the lot there are less cars to be sold. Please point out where it says you can only make limited copies of an MP3.
How dare you suggest Apple has anything other than the noblest intentions. Pistols at dawn sir!
Wow that was a hilarious read. I just had to see that. Happens to be on YouTube, hell it might even be legal too!
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Exactly, I have yet to see an AI that actually takes cover well and doesn't leave a foot, arm or even worse the top of their head visible.
Walked up on a group of 2 bandits, pumped a few rounds in one guys face and he drops like a rock. The other guy does absolutely nothing. Now maybe he won't miss the guy I killed but wouldn't you at least turn to get a look at the person that just sprayed brain matter all over you?
Then prove me wrong by providing something that's _been confirmed_ to affect anyone who wasn't deliberately experimenting with it in full knowledge of what it was.
If they don't affect anyone, they're proofs of concept, not malware, so my assertion of zero pieces of _malware_ for OS X still stands until you can provide some proof that this isn't the case.
The link I gave you earlier says "in the wild". That specifically means that it was encountered outside of a lab setting. If you want to say my proof is not factual then say so but don't accuse me of not offering any.
They look slick and impress newcomers. Then they ignore bugs, are slow to release patches and lock their customers into proprietary technologies. In other words, the same thing Microsoft has been doing for the past decade. The fact they can convince the general public they are doing otherwise is what's scary.
The MS website seems to imply that IE7 Protected Mode is not the default
It is on by default for all but the trusted zone.
That leaves at least 95% of the installed base of desktops vulnerable.
Or you know.. not..
There seems to be about 15% of us that are just so crazy we switched our browsers to Firefox or Opera... I would recommend it.
I have the free personal version. Any ideas where to get patches for that? Borland's site is a maze, especially now that they've branched into CodeGear.
Looks like you've got one of those new computers that runs faster based on originality. I bet those Lian Li cases really make it scream then!