Actually its not the center of mass in orbit either, the thing is just balanced, and "hangs" a bit from the earth its hooked in. So the total gravitational force plus the outward force is a bit radially away from the earth, compensated by the attachment to the earth. Said more easily, force-(line)density= -G*M*l(r)/r^2-l(r)*r*w^2 with l(r) mass-(line)density of rope and w radians/time integrated over r is about zero, slightly positive. Note that this doesn't have to mean that the density l(r) is averagely in geosynchronous orbit. (probably doesn't) (Said quick and dirty, not center of mass in orbit, forces must be right)
I am wondering about the problem of the capsules having to catch up speed/lose speed while climbing/descending, this will cause them to pull along the earth's plane, perpendicular to the line. Effectively this pulls both the attachment on earth up and the counterweight down. I guess thats why they only move at a mere 200km/h, and is why the counterweight has to be such that the whole thing pulls on the earth a bit.
Also wondering about how much fuel it takes to just thrust along the radiation belt. Or maybe make cargo going along the belt go slower, and make people-pods faster.
Thanks i searched some more and found(easily) this wikipedia article. So poorer people do pay less.
* 10%: from $0 to $7,550
* 15%: from $7,551 to $30,650
* 25%: from $30,651 to $74,200
* 28%: from $74,201 to $154,800
* 33%: from $154,801 to $336,550
* 35%: $336,551 and above
Richer people do pay more in this sense, but more then 336k$/yr is ridiculous, they should pay! In my country:
* Part of the income from EUR 0 to EUR 17,046: 34.15 % of EUR 17,046 is EUR 5,821
* Part of the income from EUR 17,046 to EUR 30,631: 41.45 % of EUR 13,585 is EUR 5,630
* Part of the income from EUR 30,631 to EUR 52,228: 42 % of EUR 21,597 is EUR 9,070
* Above that: 52 %.
Guess, relatively poorer people pay more in NL, on the other hand, we do have more social security from which money goes to them.(And we should with our levels of tax!) And the afforementioned "luxeryness" tax.
That we accept the lack it doesn't mean we wouldnt like it.
And we want it because windows has so damn many titles, and most linux titles are windows titles aswel. And people are used to some of those programs/games. Multiplayer games can have more other players if windows plays along.
Some PS2, gamecube, name_your_platform games ported to linux would be nice aswell:D, but it has to be handy from the users point of view also. (Actually, the GP2X has many older consoles ported, prolly has those linux aswel, but you prolly have to have some skills to install them )
"No way. For many distros, you get HUNDREDS of applications (often even THOUSANDS) right out of the box."
Ofcourse are these the applications people want? You may want to play Half-Life and not mess around with Wine.
I still think my point is valid if you extent programs to also include hardware support. I agree on you with the attitude problem.
You are absolutely right. (this all is opinion:p)
Lobying directly to politicians is a great evil in the USA today. It eats directly into Amerika as democracy. Here in the Netherlands politicians in the parlement are paid only for their seat. As they should. (ok, i believe) And conflict of interest is even taken seriously on lower levels. (gemeentelijk, in your varient county-level?)
Lobying is bound to exist, so it should be as transparent as possible, there should be a interest group department or something. I should try make a list of good articles about this. (I myself am no good writer, try to be concise though, which others often lack.) Earlier article in which I say nothing new.
This ISNT about net neutrality. It is about tech compagnies and lobying. (yes, bribrary) I can definitely see how net neutrality is definitely something that can lead from discussion of this, but "net neutrality again" attitude will distract for some other important topic to be noticed about this.
I more open mind about the topic may shed new light on something else. sound much more productive then net neut again, move along please.
"Hell no, quit dreaming! Linux doesn't run MSN Messenger, nor MS Office, nor Adobe Photoshop, or any of the other mass-warezed apps kids are using."
Gaim, OpenOffice, Gimp.
You might be right on the right about Wine (i havent used it yet), but about that: my previous post here.
People dont write programs for them enough. I believe that is the ONLY reason. If a big portion of the compagnies (game makers!) made their programs work (properly) on linux/OSX aswel, it would be a great alternative. I don't think this is hard to do either, mostly libraries like directx must be ported to linux and a recompile, or they could use cross-platform libraries in the first place. (Ok, that could greatly be a underestimation of the difficulty, but i am sure for most programs it is doable for reasonable cost)
I have used Ubuntu, and installing stuff can be made really easy with aptitude/debian packages, even without the command line. (although it isnt always, because the maker of the program failed to make it so, also why the hell would you want to do it without the commandline!) Probably compagnies dont do so simply because they dont care what platform people use, and users dont know wether they care.
It might even be arguable that linux/OSX is, for many users, a decent competitor now. This is if you're only interested in using the web, text-editing, listening music, watching movies. Codecs and flash can be a problem for a bit, but most of them are easily installed.
The point is, if compagnies that make the products that people use took interest in linux/OSX, it were only all up to peoples stubborn glue wether they made the change.
Yes thats true. I remember writing a similar thread, in which i noted this danger.(cant find it though, also not in my posts-history, maybe i wrote it and didnt post) I wouldnt know anything that can be done about such lowly ways to attack a movement. Guess good security, lawyers, maybe it is just something that the people supporting the change have to take in and continue. Even if they believe the allegations that their leader killed the girl, it doesn't mean the point the leader had is invalid. It is not so much that you need money for it i think, because if you try using money to get it done, you just become part of the system. (indeed, finance it) Its just that people must recognize the problem, and be willing to do something about it. If that is the case, word of mouth can just be the advertisement. I feel i have been using the word "system" too freely, since i dont want it to wander into the meaningless-zone, i'll say that i meant by the "system" the current state of affairs, with intransparent lobbying, intransparent and maybe stupid decision making. (as in the congress not reading bills) Lack of proper media coverage, too much focus on the lead-people, to much dirt-throwing during campaigns.
BTW i am Dutch (maybe well out of the way of actually having to do anything, and easy to speak for me) BTW2 some of the discussing about politics could be more civilized. In/. for instance I have seen several instances of people calling people "leftish" or communist. I myself think America is way to much to the right, and should do much more to improve poorer communities, like education.(everyone should be able to get a decent education, also after high school) Also, do you have different levels of tax for products of different "luxery" and different wages?
It seems to me that no-one is actually for either the democrats or for the republicans. And most people think that corporations have too much influence over politics. So why doesn't anyone make a party dedicated to change the system? There are things that can be done against "malicious" lobying, like making a lobying department, where all the lobying is out in the open.(other lobying prohibited) Or politicians, like in the senate may only get paid by the government for their seats, and not by corperations. (ok, how it should precisely be arranged is more complicated) There is probably more wrong with US politics, i read earlier something about a "daylight rule"(sorry cant find link, maybe got name wrong) proposed for the senate, because the laws/budget spendings passed didn't actually get read. This was partly because the texts that embodied them was in order of 10^3 pages, and time to read them too short. It seems to me that usually so much paperwork isn't actually nessesary, and effort should be spend to say it in much less words. The party could also try get people to create new parties. I feel this is nessesary, because america only has three parties. (Including Nader) Maybe with less fuss the distinction between the parties gets clearer. In the meanwhile, people who dislike both democrats and republicans, should cast a protest vote, as someone else said.
It's not that i don't think they can't discriminate against the German people. I just mean it isn't frequent. (am i wrong?) I didn't say anything about wether Jews discriminate in general.
PS my opinion now is that google should let the courts decide -should it come to that.
What Google did, sounds ostensically like the sensible thing to do. After all, they shouldn't censor, right. If we would censor them, the chances of getting in a discussion with them would only decrease, and we would hide them from our radar.
This is all true, however this is assuming they are being reasonable in some sense. Well they aren't just look below the saying they won't break the law, if this isn't solicitation to harass those people, i don't know what is. (I am sure other posts are also full of it) I don't understand how they can't see themselves as a hate-group. They even see the German people as discriminated against by the Jews' I have the distinct feeling that they aren't racist is because they really think it is reasonable, on the contrary, they don't really think about it at all. -Its about belonging in the group, or if it isn't that. About feeling better because you feel like a lesser being inside. Or maybe its about bullying people. If you want to post about this, be sure to look at the link and read a bit. If you have time, maybe you can send whitty comments to bother them, don't lower your level though. (i mean sensible comments!)
At the end of the article: "That said, the good guys control the infrastructure, so we ultimately have the last word. If we don't like what they're doing, we can shut them down."
That's a good one, remember if i ever get life-threateningly sick, that i can always shoot myself. (that will teach those virussus/bacteria/cancercells!)
The botmaster can also just use (multiple)backup-server(s). Then you'll have to get the software of the bot and somehow find all the servers to close down. Another way, each bot has adresses for a couple of other bots, so you only have to find one. (ofcourse, then your botnet could be stolen by just finding one though)
Also note other replies.
(ok, don't know much of this, correct me if i am wrong..)
I agree with parent. I don't think the law will pass, note that it is again the European commission who suggesting this. (They tried to push trough the software patents too) This may well be caused by some kind of lobbying by television providers who are seeing people spending more time on the net. Hopefully in the future the EU parlement has more power, and gets in the news more. (here in the Netherlands we barely ever hear from them) BTW how come so much of the replies is about the USA's mistreatment of prisoners? it is important, but off-topic. (maybe slashdot should have kind-of permanent threads for that kindah stuff, so it doesn't pop up everywhere)
Why is this modded informative? For all being as it is this should be modded funny.. I am not against nuclear power, but when it goes wrong it can go very badly wrong. Dropping the core miles deep into the ocean sound just about like the stupidest things to do, unless maybe if it is going to explode. The radioactivity last for orders of 100 years or more, and in those years it may well go leaky. In that case it could poison the ocean, leading to health problems like cancer, especially higher up the foodchain.. Things like this could very much damage our lifespan and quality.. btw He's right about the unlimited coolant thing, and also security may be easier to attain at sea.
Multimedia (pictures, movies, interactive stuff) can not nearly replace text as an efficient way to convey information. Sometimes they can help form the model in your head, though. (and they can be fun to watch)
That's about the same as saying: humans aren't intelligent, what they do is just a consequence of the evolution of the universe, never more or less. So there is nothing intelligent in the entire universe.
In another sense, its like saying deterministic systems can't be intelligent. (another, because the universe isn't(maybe) deterministic) I don't believe that either.
As another reply said, what is intelligent?
The frame of reference does matter when you look at the outside world. (moving at different speeds) The frame of reference does not matter for the physics itself. Problems can, ofcourse be solved in different frames of reference, with the same result, but usually there are frame in which it is easier. (I may not be handy to calculate how a apple drops from a tree in the frame of reference of your postman) I think this story is probably nonsense, 300 milliNewton could be caused by a flaw in the experiment. (forces due to misallignment, leaking electromagnetic fields, etc.) I think there prolly is a (hopefully subtil) flaw in the derivation of the force in their model. I also don't quite understand why relativity is so prominent in the story, doing electromagnetism is intrisically linked to special relativity. Actually classical mechanics is not in correspondence with electromagnetism.( more specificly EM doesn't work with Galelian Relativity, special relativity can even be derived from EM!(that's why its is called Lorentz transformation, not Einstein transformation) ) Combining them is strictly seen wrong, but often acceptable as an approximation.
Im fine with it as long as they don't work along with any censorship. Ofcourse, if not everyone can edit, they are in a much easier position to censor things. (in a previous story it was mentioned that china could fork to censor it) Needless to say, if they do somehow bend to any suppresing of ideas/opinions we should boycot them. (and be very pissed)
"But the words meaning can only be defined by how it was originally intended." Arguably..(but words do change meaning over time..) Regardless don't think people will take in consideration what the definition of a word is. Even if there were a consensus about what words mean. Some words may have definite meaning in cultural contexts, but not to outsiders, or worse, have a different meaning.
Yeah, it's not like the crusaders didn't plunder, kill or rape./sarcasm
By the way, there was a muslim empire that stretched all the way from the middle east to spain. (on the african side) I heard somewhere they only punished other religions with slightly more tax. (could be wrong though) I really dont know shit about this, though. You're missing that the word Jihad has different meanings for different people, just like crusade..
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I am wondering about the problem of the capsules having to catch up speed/lose speed while climbing/descending, this will cause them to pull along the earth's plane, perpendicular to the line. Effectively this pulls both the attachment on earth up and the counterweight down. I guess thats why they only move at a mere 200km/h, and is why the counterweight has to be such that the whole thing pulls on the earth a bit. Also wondering about how much fuel it takes to just thrust along the radiation belt. Or maybe make cargo going along the belt go slower, and make people-pods faster.
Thanks i searched some more and found(easily) this wikipedia article. So poorer people do pay less.
* 10%: from $0 to $7,550
* 15%: from $7,551 to $30,650
* 25%: from $30,651 to $74,200
* 28%: from $74,201 to $154,800
* 33%: from $154,801 to $336,550
* 35%: $336,551 and above
Richer people do pay more in this sense, but more then 336k$/yr is ridiculous, they should pay! In my country:
* Part of the income from EUR 0 to EUR 17,046: 34.15 % of EUR 17,046 is EUR 5,821
* Part of the income from EUR 17,046 to EUR 30,631: 41.45 % of EUR 13,585 is EUR 5,630
* Part of the income from EUR 30,631 to EUR 52,228: 42 % of EUR 21,597 is EUR 9,070
* Above that: 52 %.
Guess, relatively poorer people pay more in NL, on the other hand, we do have more social security from which money goes to them.(And we should with our levels of tax!) And the afforementioned "luxeryness" tax.
That we accept the lack it doesn't mean we wouldnt like it. :D, but it has to be handy from the users point of view also. (Actually, the GP2X has many older consoles ported, prolly has those linux aswel, but you prolly have to have some skills to install them )
And we want it because windows has so damn many titles, and most linux titles are windows titles aswel. And people are used to some of those programs/games. Multiplayer games can have more other players if windows plays along.
Some PS2, gamecube, name_your_platform games ported to linux would be nice aswell
"No way. For many distros, you get HUNDREDS of applications (often even THOUSANDS) right out of the box."
Ofcourse are these the applications people want? You may want to play Half-Life and not mess around with Wine.
I still think my point is valid if you extent programs to also include hardware support. I agree on you with the attitude problem.
You are absolutely right. (this all is opinion :p)
Lobying directly to politicians is a great evil in the USA today. It eats directly into Amerika as democracy. Here in the Netherlands politicians in the parlement are paid only for their seat. As they should. (ok, i believe) And conflict of interest is even taken seriously on lower levels. (gemeentelijk, in your varient county-level?)
Lobying is bound to exist, so it should be as transparent as possible, there should be a interest group department or something. I should try make a list of good articles about this. (I myself am no good writer, try to be concise though, which others often lack.)
Earlier article in which I say nothing new.
This ISNT about net neutrality. It is about tech compagnies and lobying. (yes, bribrary) I can definitely see how net neutrality is definitely something that can lead from discussion of this, but "net neutrality again" attitude will distract for some other important topic to be noticed about this.
I more open mind about the topic may shed new light on something else. sound much more productive then net neut again, move along please.
"Hell no, quit dreaming! Linux doesn't run MSN Messenger, nor MS Office, nor Adobe Photoshop, or any of the other mass-warezed apps kids are using."
Gaim, OpenOffice, Gimp.
You might be right on the right about Wine (i havent used it yet), but about that: my previous post here.
People dont write programs for them enough. I believe that is the ONLY reason. If a big portion of the compagnies (game makers!) made their programs work (properly) on linux/OSX aswel, it would be a great alternative. I don't think this is hard to do either, mostly libraries like directx must be ported to linux and a recompile, or they could use cross-platform libraries in the first place. (Ok, that could greatly be a underestimation of the difficulty, but i am sure for most programs it is doable for reasonable cost)
I have used Ubuntu, and installing stuff can be made really easy with aptitude/debian packages, even without the command line. (although it isnt always, because the maker of the program failed to make it so, also why the hell would you want to do it without the commandline!) Probably compagnies dont do so simply because they dont care what platform people use, and users dont know wether they care.
It might even be arguable that linux/OSX is, for many users, a decent competitor now. This is if you're only interested in using the web, text-editing, listening music, watching movies. Codecs and flash can be a problem for a bit, but most of them are easily installed.
The point is, if compagnies that make the products that people use took interest in linux/OSX, it were only all up to peoples stubborn glue wether they made the change.
Yes thats true. I remember writing a similar thread, in which i noted this danger.(cant find it though, also not in my posts-history, maybe i wrote it and didnt post) I wouldnt know anything that can be done about such lowly ways to attack a movement. Guess good security, lawyers, maybe it is just something that the people supporting the change have to take in and continue. Even if they believe the allegations that their leader killed the girl, it doesn't mean the point the leader had is invalid.
/. for instance I have seen several instances of people calling people "leftish" or communist. I myself think America is way to much to the right, and should do much more to improve poorer communities, like education.(everyone should be able to get a decent education, also after high school) Also, do you have different levels of tax for products of different "luxery" and different wages?
It is not so much that you need money for it i think, because if you try using money to get it done, you just become part of the system. (indeed, finance it) Its just that people must recognize the problem, and be willing to do something about it. If that is the case, word of mouth can just be the advertisement.
I feel i have been using the word "system" too freely, since i dont want it to wander into the meaningless-zone, i'll say that i meant by the "system" the current state of affairs, with intransparent lobbying, intransparent and maybe stupid decision making. (as in the congress not reading bills) Lack of proper media coverage, too much focus on the lead-people, to much dirt-throwing during campaigns.
BTW i am Dutch (maybe well out of the way of actually having to do anything, and easy to speak for me)
BTW2 some of the discussing about politics could be more civilized. In
It seems to me that no-one is actually for either the democrats or for the republicans. And most people think that corporations have too much influence over politics.
So why doesn't anyone make a party dedicated to change the system? There are things that can be done against "malicious" lobying, like making a lobying department, where all the lobying is out in the open.(other lobying prohibited) Or politicians, like in the senate may only get paid by the government for their seats, and not by corperations. (ok, how it should precisely be arranged is more complicated)
There is probably more wrong with US politics, i read earlier something about a "daylight rule"(sorry cant find link, maybe got name wrong) proposed for the senate, because the laws/budget spendings passed didn't actually get read. This was partly because the texts that embodied them was in order of 10^3 pages, and time to read them too short. It seems to me that usually so much paperwork isn't actually nessesary, and effort should be spend to say it in much less words.
The party could also try get people to create new parties. I feel this is nessesary, because america only has three parties. (Including Nader)
Maybe with less fuss the distinction between the parties gets clearer. In the meanwhile, people who dislike both democrats and republicans, should cast a protest vote, as someone else said.
It's not that i don't think they can't discriminate against the German people. I just mean it isn't frequent. (am i wrong?) I didn't say anything about wether Jews discriminate in general. PS my opinion now is that google should let the courts decide -should it come to that.
Slashdot readers just like free&open software, the story is just a hurrah for Ubuntu. Hurrah for Ubuntu!
What Google did, sounds ostensically like the sensible thing to do. After all, they shouldn't censor, right. If we would censor them, the chances of getting in a discussion with them would only decrease, and we would hide them from our radar.
This is all true, however this is assuming they are being reasonable in some sense. Well they aren't just look below the saying they won't break the law, if this isn't solicitation to harass those people, i don't know what is. (I am sure other posts are also full of it) I don't understand how they can't see themselves as a hate-group. They even see the German people as discriminated against by the Jews'
I have the distinct feeling that they aren't racist is because they really think it is reasonable, on the contrary, they don't really think about it at all. -Its about belonging in the group, or if it isn't that. About feeling better because you feel like a lesser being inside. Or maybe its about bullying people.
If you want to post about this, be sure to look at the link and read a bit. If you have time, maybe you can send whitty comments to bother them, don't lower your level though. (i mean sensible comments!)
At the end of the article: "That said, the good guys control the infrastructure, so we ultimately have the last word. If we don't like what they're doing, we can shut them down."
That's a good one, remember if i ever get life-threateningly sick, that i can always shoot myself. (that will teach those virussus/bacteria/cancercells!)
The botmaster can also just use (multiple)backup-server(s). Then you'll have to get the software of the bot and somehow find all the servers to close down. Another way, each bot has adresses for a couple of other bots, so you only have to find one. (ofcourse, then your botnet could be stolen by just finding one though) Also note other replies. (ok, don't know much of this, correct me if i am wrong..)
I agree with parent. I don't think the law will pass, note that it is again the European commission who suggesting this. (They tried to push trough the software patents too) This may well be caused by some kind of lobbying by television providers who are seeing people spending more time on the net. Hopefully in the future the EU parlement has more power, and gets in the news more. (here in the Netherlands we barely ever hear from them)
BTW how come so much of the replies is about the USA's mistreatment of prisoners? it is important, but off-topic. (maybe slashdot should have kind-of permanent threads for that kindah stuff, so it doesn't pop up everywhere)
Why is this modded informative? For all being as it is this should be modded funny..
I am not against nuclear power, but when it goes wrong it can go very badly wrong. Dropping the core miles deep into the ocean sound just about like the stupidest things to do, unless maybe if it is going to explode. The radioactivity last for orders of 100 years or more, and in those years it may well go leaky. In that case it could poison the ocean, leading to health problems like cancer, especially higher up the foodchain.. Things like this could very much damage our lifespan and quality..
btw He's right about the unlimited coolant thing, and also security may be easier to attain at sea.
Beware of the Grey goo there! Don't turn into it.
Multimedia (pictures, movies, interactive stuff) can not nearly replace text as an efficient way to convey information. Sometimes they can help form the model in your head, though. (and they can be fun to watch)
That's about the same as saying: humans aren't intelligent, what they do is just a consequence of the evolution of the universe, never more or less. So there is nothing intelligent in the entire universe. In another sense, its like saying deterministic systems can't be intelligent. (another, because the universe isn't(maybe) deterministic) I don't believe that either. As another reply said, what is intelligent?
The frame of reference does matter when you look at the outside world. (moving at different speeds) The frame of reference does not matter for the physics itself. Problems can, ofcourse be solved in different frames of reference, with the same result, but usually there are frame in which it is easier. (I may not be handy to calculate how a apple drops from a tree in the frame of reference of your postman)
I think this story is probably nonsense, 300 milliNewton could be caused by a flaw in the experiment. (forces due to misallignment, leaking electromagnetic fields, etc.) I think there prolly is a (hopefully subtil) flaw in the derivation of the force in their model.
I also don't quite understand why relativity is so prominent in the story, doing electromagnetism is intrisically linked to special relativity. Actually classical mechanics is not in correspondence with electromagnetism.( more specificly EM doesn't work with Galelian Relativity, special relativity can even be derived from EM!(that's why its is called Lorentz transformation, not Einstein transformation) ) Combining them is strictly seen wrong, but often acceptable as an approximation.
Im fine with it as long as they don't work along with any censorship. Ofcourse, if not everyone can edit, they are in a much easier position to censor things. (in a previous story it was mentioned that china could fork to censor it)
Needless to say, if they do somehow bend to any suppresing of ideas/opinions we should boycot them. (and be very pissed)
"But the words meaning can only be defined by how it was originally intended."
Arguably..(but words do change meaning over time..)
Regardless don't think people will take in consideration what the definition of a word is. Even if there were a consensus about what words mean. Some words may have definite meaning in cultural contexts, but not to outsiders, or worse, have a different meaning.
Yeah, it's not like the crusaders didn't plunder, kill or rape. /sarcasm
By the way, there was a muslim empire that stretched all the way from the middle east to spain. (on the african side) I heard somewhere they only punished other religions with slightly more tax. (could be wrong though)
I really dont know shit about this, though.
You're missing that the word Jihad has different meanings for different people, just like crusade..
...just blow up the waiting lines at the passport checks