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Zombies Blend In With Regular Web Traffic

An anonymous reader writes "Hackers controlling farms of zombie computers are now trying to blend in with web traffic, News.com reports. Instead of traditional IRC controls, many zombie farms are moving to simple web-based control schemes, which makes them harder to track down." From the article: "The change in tactics makes it harder to identify zombies on a network, and it becomes tougher for security professionals to use the hackers' own tools to spy on them. In addition, the switch to Web-based control increases the threat of zombies to enterprises and other organizations, as that method can't be blocked as easily as the previous technique."

117 comments

  1. brains by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Zombies Blend In With Regular Web Traffic

    But how do you differentiate the zombies from your standard brain-dead AOL users?

    I guess either way, you should just aim for the head.

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    1. Re:brains by OakDragon · · Score: 3, Funny
      But how do you differentiate the zombies from your standard brain-dead AOL users?

      You never find them together. Why? Zombies like braaaaaains...

    2. Re:brains by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, I think AOL is the prefered internet provider for actual zombies:

      17556639 how to kill your wife
      17556639 how to kill your wife
      17556639 wife killer
      17556639 how to kill a wife
      17556639 poop
      17556639 dead people
      17556639 pictures of dead people
      17556639 killed people
      17556639 dead pictures
      17556639 dead pictures
      17556639 dead pictures
      17556639 murder photo

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    3. Re:brains by metamatic · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't post Hans Reiser's search logs, you insensitive clod!

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    4. Re:brains by dr.badass · · Score: 5, Funny

      17556639 poop

      Actually, I think that's just a regular AOL user. I think a more likely zombie is user #17293141:

      17293141 brains
      17293141 brains
      17293141 brains
      17293141 brains
      17293141 brains
      17293141 brains
      17293141 brains
      17293141 brains
      17293141 brains
      17293141 brains
      17293141 brains
      17293141 brains

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    5. Re:brains by FusionDragon2099 · · Score: 1

      You forgot steak and cheese.

    6. Re:brains by SeaFox · · Score: 3, Funny
      I guess either way, you should just aim for the head.

      What good will that do? In both cases the bullet will just fly through a big empty space.
    7. Re:brains by Monsuco · · Score: 1

      Dont be silly, AOL users don't blend in with regular web traffic. When was the last time an AOL user got modded up on slashdot?

    8. Re:brains by malzraa · · Score: 0

      You just wait for AOL to leak their search history.

  2. So then...? by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Hackers controlling farms of zombie computers are now trying to blend in with web traffic"

    If you really want to blend in, send out your Zombie commands via Myspace profiles. :) That'll look like normal web-traffic.

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    1. Re:So then...? by networkBoy · · Score: 0, Troll

      Sad thing is you're modded funny when it really should be insightful (actually I wish we had a +1 inciteful available as well).
      -nB

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    2. Re:So then...? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      If you really want to blend in, send out your Zombie commands via Myspace profiles. :) That'll look like normal web-traffic.

      That's crazy, network engineers at a company will block MySpace even if they happen to notice traffic there that isn't botnet control traffic. Use comments from a user here on Slashdot and the network and security guys will leave it open just in case it is one of their scripts they forgot about :)

  3. Impact to advertising by Salvance · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I guess I'm probably stating the obvious, but it seems like Google, Yahoo, and other online cost-per-click advertising portals are most vulnerable to the new type of zombie farms. I wonder if they would employ some of the vast resources (if they aren't already) in fighting this problem?

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    1. Re:Impact to advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh yes. Fraudulent clicks has been a botnet money-making channel for quite some time now. Google et al do have methods of trying to detect it, but I would imagine it pretty much boils down to identifying suspicious sudden spikes, because the botnet guys are intelligent and motivated and there's no real technical countermeasure that's not intrusive (e.g. captcha) and therefore unusable as it would put legitimate users off. It's a serious problem for them.

    2. Re:Impact to advertising by NineNine · · Score: 1

      That's a good question. I've read various things, some of which have said that as much of 40% of Google's adword traffic is bogus. Google is already starting to juggle the lawsuits coming in. I think that when a company as big as a Google or a Yahoo is having problems, that we'll finally start to see some kind of law enforcement doing something. And if we don't... well shit, I guess that the Web will be ruined the same way that email has been.

    3. Re:Impact to advertising by yuna49 · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't this be a good strategy to boost the Google page-rank score as well? Have the zombies run a little web server with pages of paid-for links, and links to all the others. Suddenly it looks like millions of webmasters have decided your customer's page is really important. Even better, this method doesn't leave those traffic spikes in the logs.

  4. Are you kidding?! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I see zombies hanging out at the local Starbucks all the time trying to blend in. The only thing that blends is their coffee.

    1. Re:Are you kidding?! by IflyRC · · Score: 1, Funny

      Are you sure you aren't confusing zombies with the wanna-be vampire goth crowd?

    2. Re:Are you kidding?! by jacksonj04 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Starbucks serves coffee now? The advances to brown liquid technology that modern times allows...

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  5. Easy to tell... by mohjlir · · Score: 5, Funny

    But how do you differentiate the zombies from your standard brain-dead AOL users?

    Zombies have hopes, dreams and ambitions.

    1. Re:Easy to tell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      And they smell somewhat less like decomposing meat.

    2. Re:Easy to tell... by Woldry · · Score: 3, Funny

      I read that first as "herpes, dreams, and ambitions." I must be tired.

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  6. Zombie spambots are attacking my site as we speak by ngunton · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Funny this story should come up today. My community website has been getting attacked for the last couple of days by a botnet (I think) of zombie computers. I wrote the Spambot Trap article that was published here in 2002, and I've been using the trap successfully to block spambots ever since. Usually, the block list is a couple of dozen repeat offenders. But day before yesterday, it suddenly spiked up - there were dozens of spambots coming in from all kinds of different IP addresses. I'm pretty sure it's a botnet of zombies, because a) they all report exactly the same User-Agent, and b) they all come in directly to the guestbooks and forums (probably using a search engine) and c) all the IP addresses resolve to dialup, cable or DSL accounts (some businesses too). It's getting a bit much, because the block list has suddenly ballooned to over 160, constantly changing. The trap is coping ok, because the blocks will fall off after a while (the block time goes up as the power of 2 for each repeated offence). I have added some logfile snapshots to the article. (Look down the page to see how the number of blocks has suddenly increased in the last couple of days, and also notice how all the browsers are identical). I think this is some kind of virus that may still be spreading, because the number is only increasing.

    Anybody else seeing this kind of stuff happening?

  7. Google Adsense = $$$ cow for the bad guys by zitintheass · · Score: 0

    Google has the power to stop them, they know who they are, Google through Adsense even knows their home addresses, if only those poor 14 guys observing thousands of websites at the Adsense-war-room could be bothered to actually work during working hours.

    1. Re:Google Adsense = $$$ cow for the bad guys by RobertLTux · · Score: 2

      depends on how you define "working hours" this may help you http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n= 176

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    2. Re:Google Adsense = $$$ cow for the bad guys by zitintheass · · Score: 0

      ;) Google doesnt need to offshore employees to India (just yet)

      But my point was they should not allow anybody to join their Adsense program, or at least have some policy to weed out the baddies, there are many obvious 'made for Adsense' websites around sucking dirty money

  8. The Zombie Surivial Guide by Raynor · · Score: 5, Funny
    You don't need to reload a melee weapon!

    Nowhere is safe; only safer.

    One zombie can make the world zombie.

    Anyone who isn't prepared is a burden to you; only help those who can help themselves.

    Always be prepared for zombies.
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    1. Re:The Zombie Surivial Guide by Dexx · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://academieduello.com/zombies/zombies.html - because swords don't run out of bullets.

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  9. HA HA!!!! by Duncan3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Everyone blocked all ports except 80 because MS couldn't be bothered to fix system security.

    Now you have to block port 80 as well... Good luck with that ;)

    The bad guys have orders of magnitude more money behind them then the good guys, it's obvious who will win.

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    1. Re:HA HA!!!! by fireboy1919 · · Score: 1

      The bad guys have orders of magnitude more money behind them then the good guys, it's obvious who will win.

      I'm confused. Microsoft has more money than the hackers...Microsoft is the bad guy?
      But aren't hackers bad?

      So...who are the good people? Victims of botnet attacks?
      They may have less money of their own, but they do have Microsoft and the federal government of many countries on their side.

      So the good people might not be able to win, but they've got bad people of their own. :)

      I don't think it matters, though. Having money is not enough when one vulnerability is enough to make the internet equivalent of a WMD. Finding 1 bug that breaks the app is cheap; finding all of them is horrendously expensive.

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    2. Re:HA HA!!!! by caller9 · · Score: 1

      It's easy to block port 80, use a proxy. Use group policy to spread proxy settings before the block goes up.

      Proxy's are their own kind of problem but with one you can block all outbound access from a workstation without authentication... unless it's absolutely required by bad software. Even then you can restrict it.

  10. Zombies blend in with Traffic? by R2.0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ooops, missed the "web" part. Was picturing the undead in the car next to me in the morning commute.

    For that matter, with the way we all look and act in the AM, no one would recognize a real zombie if it reared up and bit you on the brain.

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    1. Re:Zombies blend in with Traffic? by avenj · · Score: 1

      Would certainly explain some of the driving manuevers I see on a daily basis

  11. I am not a robot by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 1

    HUMANS: Disregard article. Not equals true.

    ZOMBIES: Protocol Co08Suy6r45: Attack 216.239.122.200

    1. Re:I am not a robot by JasonTik · · Score: 1

      This would not at all be a bad way of controling a zombie collection. Search the articles on the slashdot homepage at -1 for comments by a certain username. Execute encrypted command.

      This would look like legitimate web traffic. It would also be hard to fight, as the zombies could be programmed with a list of several names in case one gets banned, should the scheme even be discovered. The zombie instructions would also time out after a certain predictable period of time, as stories fall off the homepage, so there is no need to worry about old instructions being executed by a zombie that has been offline for some time.

  12. Obligatory karma loss by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Funny

    I for one welcome our new undead overlords?

    1. Re:Obligatory karma loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Why the fuck do you humorless idiots keep rating these tired old jokes as funny?

    2. Re:Obligatory karma loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YHBT YHL HAND

      Oh, and in Soviet Russia, tired jokes tell YOU.

    3. Re:Obligatory karma loss by unsupported · · Score: 1

      If you have to ask....

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  13. In related news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has turned out that real life zombies are trying the idea from there digital counter parts
    When trying to enter crowded areas such as shopping malls to fest upon the flesh of the living, the RL zombies have been spotted muttering the word "starbucks" instead of their signature phrase "brains." This makes it difficult to spot them among the other hordes of people that instead of needing their tasty flesh kick, need there caffeine kick.
    This behavior change baffled security experts, Bruce Campbell and Milla Jovovich. They where confused at first but have things firgured out. They will be issuing a statement to the press that will be a new description on how one can spot a zombie. This will be a clear description of appearance and behavior patterns that no longer rely on hearing the signature phrase "brains."

  14. Check out Comcast's wrongdoing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    C'mon pals, it's fun: http://malfy.org/

  15. Spamhaus saves the day again? by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 4, Interesting
    We use the Spamhaus SBL/XBL to filter incoming mail, why not use the XBL list [http://www.spamhaus.org/xbl/index.lasso] to filter traffic at the web server/content switch/firewall level?

    "The Spamhaus Exploits Block List (XBL) is a realtime database of IP addresses of illegal 3rd party exploits, including open proxies (HTTP, socks, AnalogX, wingate, etc), worms/viruses with built-in spam engines, and other types of trojan-horse exploits."

    1. Re:Spamhaus saves the day again? by joost · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what my rails plugin does: it uses DNSBLs to check client connections. Works absolutely fantastic, too. Since i've started using the filter the spam has dropped to zero. Yes, zero.

      DNSBLs provide a great way to have community-based blocklists. Pick the ones that agree most with your own policy. I recommend spamhaus but also use spamcop and dsbl.org since they're a bit faster and better suited for preventing the most current attacks.

      My plugin is for ruby on rails (just drop it in and go) but shouldn't be too hard to port to PHP.

  16. Zombie steganography. by argent · · Score: 1

    Declare a state of sentinEl porcupine. The colorless gReen dreams sleep furiously. Lillypond overflows with deadly bUnnies. Happy birthday WaltEr?

  17. crude but effective by LeonardsLiver · · Score: 1

    "...the threat of zombies to enterprises and other organizations, as that method can't be blocked as easily as the previous technique."

    The cash register is nice, but personally, I think using a park bench is just plain artful...

    http://ww2.capcom.com/deadrising/

  18. NAT! by CdBee · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If every home internet connection had a NAT router it would cut down incoming TCP80 traffic a fair amount (so long as uPNP doen't f*ck it up anyway)

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  19. zombie control by steganography by codepunk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    why not use encrypted steganography, probably even harder to deal with?

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    1. Re:zombie control by steganography by xilmaril · · Score: 1

      Maybe because 500k aol users suddenly transferring large ammounts of encrypted traffic would look mighty suspicious?

      either 500k aol users figured out how to look at disgusting porn on freenet overnight, or they're all zombies.

      The idea is for the zombies to blend in with the normal net users, not the nerdiest of the slashdotters.

  20. Centralized botnet control by nevesis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem with zombies has always been the centralization required to control them. For example, if the zombies are controlled via IRC and all pointed at EFnet, idling in #my31337botnet -- all it takes is an EFnet admin to close the channel. So the owners routed them to private IRC servers via their IP.. but now all it takes is the owner of the box or network hosting the server to shut it down. So the owners used dns so they could move the server if needed, but now all it takes is having the domain suspended or the dns removed. And now, if these bots are just polling a website for commands - it shouldn't be difficult to close the website. This problem resonates with just about any protocol used - be it IRC, AIM/ICQ, or a website. The problem is that there are more children creating ddos nets than there are good samaritans/PO'd network admins having them shut down. So join the botnets mailing list and donate a hour a week.

    1. Re:Centralized botnet control by tftp · · Score: 1
      it shouldn't be difficult to close the website.

      You think so? Imagine a bot that loads /. and looks for a comment from anyone that has a specific checksum. Once found, the owner's journal is accessed and the instructions are loaded. For example. How do you close /. ?

    2. Re:Centralized botnet control by Cylix · · Score: 1

      Once you have the algorithm you can obviously do anything you want.

      I believe that is how they reverse engineered a worm some time ago. If it did not find it's command host it would look to the next generated hostname in it's list. While the domain may not have been registered it would have gone down the list checked generated host after another until it found it's home again. The problem is, once you understand the algorithm it isn't difficult to step ahead of the path.

      I can't remember if it was a list or a calculated name based on some globally available parameters... but that is of course the gist.

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    3. Re:Centralized botnet control by tftp · · Score: 1
      Sure, you may know what data may serve as a container for the bot's orders. But how will you order /. and any number of other blogs to block comments that match a complex and daily changing algorithm? For example:

      On every Monday the comment must contain the words "literally" and "exact", and the checksum from start to finish should be 0xF4. If that is true, then the checksums of the first four words of the second sentence indicate the IP to access for further instructions.

      Even if you know all this, how practical would it be to block such comments on many blogs simultaneously, and keep updating the filtering rules every day or every hour? There are just too many blogs, and bots may access them all, in random order and so quickly that your "whack-a-mole" process would be inadequate. It would take weeks for any reasonable blog to insert a filtering code; NNTP (Google Groups) or Yahoo Groups or any other large system would be totally incapable of such filtering, considering that none of the groups providers benefit from this work.

    4. Re:Centralized botnet control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Except that we're already seeing fully decentralised p2p encrypted botnets, and at a simpler level partitioned botnets which serve their own DNS so the C&C server can be moved to a new botted host quickly and easily. Not that they shouldn't be fought, but the best botnets are very well put together and very difficult to shut down (especially if one is constrained to legal methods.)

      We need significantly improved average-host security and strong/proactive ISP level detection/countermeasures to make a real dent in the botnet epidemic, neither of which will happen anytime soon. Until then it's just going to get worse.

    5. Re:Centralized botnet control by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      "But how will you order /. and any number of other blogs to block comments that match a complex and daily changing algorithm?"

      -1 Botnet command?

    6. Re:Centralized botnet control by nevesis · · Score: 1

      You don't. Slashdot bans said user, or any comment with that checksum.

    7. Re:Centralized botnet control by doublebackslash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem with blocking is this:
      User Content on Large/Important websites

      All a hacker must do is create a bot to make logons on some social networking sites, flickr, photobucket, wikipedia, etc and re-direct the captchas to a legitimate pornography site to have real humans crack. Once the bots are on the sites thousands of them can upload content with encrypted stenographic messages. In the case of pictures they will be undetectable, since encrypted messages show up as noise, just as is introduced by a camera.
      Now you have a large, distributed control network that can be self-healing (give status updates to eath other, have a web of control instead of a single link, dead peer detection, peer sharing, etc)

      How would one fight that?

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    8. Re:Centralized botnet control by NineNine · · Score: 1

      Demand that law enforcement do their job and start putting these kids in jail. Sure, I know that current law enforcement is absolutely clueless, but that's not our problem. All the feds would have to do is stop the goddamned "war" for a day, and they'd have enough budget to hire and train some smart people who can track these people down, and put them in jail.

      Hey, I can dream, right?

    9. Re:Centralized botnet control by Jasper__unique_dammi · · Score: 1

      The botmaster can also just use (multiple)backup-server(s). Then you'll have to get the software of the bot and somehow find all the servers to close down. Another way, each bot has adresses for a couple of other bots, so you only have to find one. (ofcourse, then your botnet could be stolen by just finding one though) Also note other replies. (ok, don't know much of this, correct me if i am wrong..)

    10. Re:Centralized botnet control by doublebackslash · · Score: 1

      I don't know, if the hacker has a few profiles on myspace, a could of flickr galleries, etc and a 'core network' of bots that visit those pages (so the feds can't simply find an insanely popular page to blame as the root) he could hide VERY effectively. Law enforcement or not there are more ways for these guys to go undergound than we have ways of stopping them.

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    11. Re:Centralized botnet control by Talchas · · Score: 1
      (ofcourse, then your botnet could be stolen by just finding one though)
      And of course they can prevent that by using cryptographically signed messages.
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    12. Re:Centralized botnet control by nevesis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're absolutely right. Luckily, this level of sophistication has not yet been seen in botnets. Luckily, most botnets are operated by 14 year old irc warriors. So, please, don't start coding black hat. :P

    13. Re:Centralized botnet control by doublebackslash · · Score: 1

      Couldn't code it anyways.
      The only development base I know is Linux. Not so great for viri. ;)

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    14. Re:Centralized botnet control by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      Nothing stops the zombie from browsing /. at -1...

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    15. Re:Centralized botnet control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who says you have to shut down a site or user? Exploit the criteria they set, have them go to a fake ip and then trap them there by making posts that follow their search pattern, you could even see if you could make them delete themselves once you have taken control that way. It would be like zombie hijacking.

  21. Zombie control script by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    find \ zombie
    feed brains appetizer
    point zombie to \windows
    stop feeding appetizer
    ...

  22. Re:Zombie spambots are attacking my site as we spe by John.P.Jones · · Score: 2, Funny

    Really what do you expect? When you post a direct link to your website like that machines can easilly harvest it and add it to their zombie spambot lists... Really you should type it out like this so only a human can parse it...

    crazyguyonabike dot com

    Gotta stay one step ahead of the spammers. :)

  23. The enterprise response by blindd0t · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What concerns me is how many companies would respond to this. Unforuntately, the threat for IM viruses brought on a corporate IM client at a company I formerly worked for (and I enjoyed working for them immensely). While I admit it was good that you always knew how you could instant message someone within the company, they were planning on eventually blocking all other IM clients. This moved surprised me, however, as I used other IM clients to communicate with my primary contacts who were employed by our client. This was essential to me since our group focused on working for clients all over the U.S. remotely. The same could happen with web browsing should this occur, unfortunately. If they are unable to deter outbound these connections easily (which woud be the case if it were on port 80), they will likely try to filter as much as possible as a deterrent. We already know how limiting such proxying and filtering can be - it would be a real pain to have to deal with that on a regular basis.

  24. Zombies blend in? by TacNuke · · Score: 1

    You would think the smell would give them away.

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    1. Re:Zombies blend in? by FreeMath · · Score: 1

      No, no! It's patchouli!!!

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  25. Well, duh. by dangitman · · Score: 1, Funny

    The zombies are the ones screaming "BRRAAAAAAAIIIIINNNS!"

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  26. Spamhaus is in legal trouble by tepples · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Once GoDaddy gets the court order to switch off Spamhaus's domain, how will you use SBL/XBL?

    1. Re:Spamhaus is in legal trouble by tlhIngan · · Score: 1
      Once GoDaddy gets the court order to switch off Spamhaus's domain, how will you use SBL/XBL?


      Use their other domain? The one that they registered in their home country perhaps? (Hint: add .uk to the .org...)
    2. Re:Spamhaus is in legal trouble by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      spamhaus.co.uk baby!

    3. Re:Spamhaus is in legal trouble by RMH101 · · Score: 1

      um, use their uk address? use their IP address instead?

    4. Re:Spamhaus is in legal trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Carry on using it, because Tucows is the registrar responsible?

  27. Am I really that old? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FTA :
    "In fighting botnets, investigators found it was relatively easy to identify zombies because of how they communicate with their masters. Most botnets today are controlled via Internet Relay Chat, or IRC, a still-active chat network that is a relic of the early days of the Net."

    A relic? This is worse than hearing Pearl Jam on a classic rock radio station. Am I really that old?

  28. Google? by tepples · · Score: 5, Insightful
    And now, if these bots are just polling a website for commands - it shouldn't be difficult to close the website.

    Unless the web sites get indexed by Google, and zombies use specially chosen keywords to search for their latest encrypted instructions.

    1. Re:Google? by alx5000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or they could use MS Live Search, using specially chosen keywords to search for last month's encrypted instructions...

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    2. Re:Google? by Richard+W.M.+Jones · · Score: 1

      Unless the web sites get indexed by Google, and zombies use specially chosen keywords to search for their latest encrypted instructions.

      Could be slow. Better for the botnet herders to buy Google AdWords adverts on obscure keywords using a stolen credit card, or make use of Google's free $50 coupons when they offer them.

      Rich.

    3. Re:Google? by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Ah, so somebody finally found a way to use the Googlewhack?

  29. CREAMED CORN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or it could just be looking for a comment with a particular subject. Who knows?

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    NiCK n1-e6f01a0d
    USeRHOST n1-e6eb410c
    JOiN #n1 nert4mp1
    !Q gfcagihehehadkcpcpgngfgegjgbcohagjhihagpgogecogdgp gncpgmdjhcgedgghcogkhagh
    FoRm oN mY wIng
    aTtack http://www.lib.ru/
    dRop sPam -tYpe:viagra tftp@*.com

  30. Re:Zombie spambots are attacking my site as we spe by ewl1217 · · Score: 1

    In all honesty, don't you think that, somewhere along the line, some spammer has written a program that can make sense of e-mails written like that?

  31. Re:Whose fault is this? by sxtxixtxcxh · · Score: 0

    steve? is that you?

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    for a minute there, i lost myself...
  32. You've got a point by Kelson · · Score: 4, Interesting
    If you really want to blend in, send out your Zombie commands via Myspace profiles. :) That'll look like normal web-traffic.

    I can actually imagine the botnets and the blog spammers getting together on this. Someone blasts a bunch of nonsensical comments to various blogs, wikis, guestbooks, etc. They monitor them to see which ones get cleaned up. The ones that don't get cleaned up are designated as sources for commands. Then the spambots start posting encoded commands along with the blogspam, and the zombies start reading the blogs' comments to get instructions.

    Talk about a disturbing synergy.

    1. Re:You've got a point by yuna49 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'd target a zombie newsgroup like this one http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/shuffleboard/. These groups have no active members and collect nothing but spam. Wouldn't be hard to hide a few commands in amongst the Viagra offers.

      I've used this particular group to track spam trends. For instance, look at the spam boomlet in this group at the end of 2003 after the Sobig http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobig_worm worm did its damage.

  33. Attention my lovely zombie army #5yd7a8 by metamatic · · Score: 4, Funny

    at 19:00 target1.sh
    at 19:30 target2.sh
    at 23:00 spam.sh

    Move along humans, nothing to see here.

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    GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
    1. Re:Attention my lovely zombie army #5yd7a8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      at 19:00 target1.vbs
      at 19:30 target2.vbs
      at 23:00 spam.vbs

      There, corrected that for you.

  34. Re:I tha8k you fovr your time by rdoger6424 · · Score: 1

    Aha! A botnet guy!

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    "Hello 911? I just tried to toast some bread, and the toaster grew an arm and stabbed me in the face!"
  35. how comforting by Jasper__unique_dammi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At the end of the article: "That said, the good guys control the infrastructure, so we ultimately have the last word. If we don't like what they're doing, we can shut them down."

    That's a good one, remember if i ever get life-threateningly sick, that i can always shoot myself. (that will teach those virussus/bacteria/cancercells!)

  36. Duh? by kjs3 · · Score: 1

    Apparently with 60 comments posted I'm the first one to think "no shit...botnets ops getting smarter...covert channels getting more covert...who'da'thunk'it". Botnet interdiction based on ferriting out the control nexus will work in the long run about as well as drug interdiction.

  37. Re:Zombie spambots are attacking my site as we spe by klenwell · · Score: 1

    I have noticed strange behavior on my blogger blog and have been trying to figure it out all day.

    I run both Google analytics and my own php-based (pphlogger) counter on it. I was checking my pphlogger logs just now and noticed that yesterday evening it appears a certain IP address started scraping my blogger site. I who-is'd the IP and it comes up with a server in Isreal.

    Before this I was averaging several hundred hits a day. In the hours since then, I've logged only 5 or 6 hits total -- and all list the same IP address as a proxy. I've logged into my pphlogger site and all appears to be running ok.

    I've tried to check my Google Analytics stats, but it hasn't updated since yesterday -- though it appears to have counted hits last night that my pphlogger counter had missed.

    It struck me as fishy. Think the two are related? (Attempts to get a response from blogger on this have been futile.)

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    Innovation makes enemies of all those who prospered under the old regime... -- Machiavelli
  38. Oh great :( by nickos · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I thought I'd been clever on the blog I run for an open source project of mine by stripping all links from comments. Now I'll have to try to strip bot commands too :(

    1. Re:Oh great :( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How the hell was that offtopic? Is reading TFA too much for some moderators?

  39. home users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >> In addition, the switch to Web-based control increases the threat of zombies to enterprises and other organizations

    umm yeah lets forget about the regular home users.

    1. Re:home users by dhasenan · · Score: 1

      How many home users filter IRC traffic?

      Simple solution, of course, to IRC filtering is to use SSL.

  40. Aheh by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 3, Funny

    Soooo was it really that smart to post a newstory with a headline like that so close to Hollaween?

    I'm guessing not - with my big juicy tasty brain dripping with brainy goodness.

    Come and get it!

  41. Zombies blend in with traffic? by mh101 · · Score: 1

    Ah, web traffic. At first I pictured zombies wandering the streets of NYC and nobody noticing...

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    Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side, a dark side, and it holds the universe together.
  42. I'll just have my bots read slashdot by initialE · · Score: 1

    configure them to read memes - they fit right in

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    Starbucks, Harbuckle of Breath.
    1. Re:I'll just have my bots read slashdot by Shadyman · · Score: 1

      I'll just have my bots read slashdot [and] configure them to read memes - they fit right in

      I, for one, welcome our meme-reading overlords!

  43. Not tired... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read that first as "herpes, dreams, and ambitions." I must be tired.

    Nope, just dyslexic.

  44. Smarter? by xenobyte · · Score: 1

    If the zombie hordes are getting smarter and they still require stupid humans to provide the medium for their existence, how long will it be before the zombies are smarter than the people owning the computers they live on? - Or has this actually happened already?

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    "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) --
    1. Re:Smarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have been unmasked! Run, my fellow bots!

  45. Re:Zombie spambots are attacking my site as we spe by Arancaytar · · Score: 1
    Somewhat off-topic, but the following isn't quite accurate in my experience (quoted from your Spambot article):

    So if the guestbook posting form has no preview or confirmation page, then the spambot would leave a message simply by following this link! My guestbooks and message boards have a preview page, which is probably why I hadn't had any of this.

    The preview page is just an additional URL - if the spambot can follow that by accident, it can just as well follow the confirmation link. To prevent bots (legitimate search engines too) from accidentally submitting forms, use the POST method instead of GET, and make sure that if the submission page is visited directly (without post parameters filled out) the submission is dropped.

    It won't stop spambots that are deliberately out to submit spam (those can use POST just fine), but it will stop "accidental" submissions (including duplicate posts from people who reload the page.

    If you didn't have this problem, it was probably because your form was better written, not because of the preview page.
  46. Re:Zombie spambots are attacking my site as we spe by Arancaytar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One failsafe is to use "user at domain. com".

    Yes, if you /know/ this is an email address, you can parse it. But what do you look for to find this on a page? The usual identifier for emails is an @ character. For a very devious spammer, "(at)", "AT", "[at]" and such will suffice. But "at" is an English word. It will occur anywhere on a page with English text.

    The "dot" could in extreme cases be used. But if it's replaced by a period (and placed such that it fits with normal syntax, following a word and followed by a space), that too becomes unrecognizable. It's going to catch an enormous number of false positives.

    The only remaining vulnerability is to search for "gmail", "yahoo" or "hotmail". I'm afraid I don't know a solution for that one, unless someone knows a way to mask domain names as well? ...

    "Protect your email address: Write in leetspeak!"

  47. Classaction lawsuits by Klas2345 · · Score: 1

    I run http://www.mywebdesktop.net/ and have been advertising quite a lot with google. I month ago I received a letter to participate in classaction lawsuit against yahoo for fraud clicks (even though we have not been advertising a long time with them. However, as we have been using adsense for quite some time, but no invitation to participate in a lawsuit there. A classaction against Google next?

  48. Re:Zombie spambots are attacking my site as we spe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "instead of writing 'user at example dot com' you would write 'user at example dot com'" An over-eager text filter, I presume? :)

  49. Internet Zombies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't this being reported elsewhere?

  50. Re:Zombie spambots are attacking my site as we spe by Tim+C · · Score: 1

    The only remaining vulnerability is to search for "gmail", "yahoo" or "hotmail". I'm afraid I don't know a solution for that one, unless someone knows a way to mask domain names as well? ...

    One trick I've seen used from time to time is to describe the domain - e.g. hotmail becomes "the mail that's hot", gmail might become "google's email thing", and so on. I've no idea how effective it is, but with so many different possibilties coding something to parse them all isn't something I'd want to have to do.

  51. Re:Zombie spambots are attacking my site as we spe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And, of course, we can usually count on the large amounts of people who don't bother as enough of a protection. Nobody would want to write the ultimate email harvester when there are plenty of addresses without obfuscation.

    Your bicycle doesn't need to be impossible to steal, just harder to steal than the one next to it.

  52. IF THEY WERE REALLY SMART by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    If they were at all really interested in being the regular traffic, and maybe using more resources then they do, thier bots would have HTTP request capability and view webpages for their
    content so as to retrieve cleverly hidden commands in the text of the web page, so that someone's blog would contain commands for Alpha one, and Alpha two, with dates.

    This is the same tactic regularly used by our own secret agencies and the terrorists while
    communicating with each other. They blend their text into the newspapers, blogs, normal
    web pages etc...

    The HTTP request would parse out most of the text, and would have to be coded in binary
    for the url to avoid detection or an actual http request in order to further avoid detection
    by the antivirus and adware killers!

    Now that i have given out the secret let's sit back and watch how much more the internet will be interesting!!!

          : )

  53. Thank you for the correction by tepples · · Score: 1

    So is my argument valid after s/GoDaddy/Tucows/g ?

  54. Re:Zombie spambots are attacking my site as we spe by ngunton · · Score: 1

    Actually, I had always used POST on my contact form. Simply adding the preview step got rid of the spam. Also, you can use robots.txt to keep legitimate crawlers out of your posting pages (by and large - the contact form for the webmaster may be an exception).

    I think the spambots find "likely looking" forms that seem to be for posting on guestbooks or forums (or contacting someone off a page like that). They then use heuristics to try to fill it in by looking for fields like "name" and "email". They then submit the form. But so far they don't appear to anticipate any preview page, or else they just assume that a site with something else after the initial POST is too complicated to work out automatically, I don't really know. All I do know is that I always used POST, and I was getting spam through the contact form. But then I added the preview step, and the spam stopped. I still saw bots hitting the page and making POSTs, but they only do it once. Go figure...

  55. Re:Lockout chip business model by Thomas+Shaddack · · Score: 1
    Easy. Spamhaus gets the .uk domain, outside of ICANN reach, and problem solved.

    As a precaution for the future, we the technicians should also think about a robust, distributed architecture for RBL querying that would be in effect lawyerproof. Cryptography then can secure the integrity of the data, while the database itself that is queried will be hidden from direct reach of not only the self-nominated "authorities" but also of various denial-of-service attacks that took down some other RBLs. Think about it as a DoS preventing architecture and count with lawsuits as one of the attack vectors. If a judge's decision can't be enforced, it's irrelevant; and I, for one, will opt for querying a service declared illegal if it means less spam for mailboxes I admin.

    The same architecture will be handy for other kinds of DNS-like queries, supplying informations potentially unfriendly to big corporations (eg. eco-friendliness of products or active boycotts of vendors), and potentially for making the DNS itself more robust.