I don't see anywhere in any net neutrality draft that requires they charge by the bit.
This is not a requirement.. metering is the isp's being greedy, and they don't need net neutrality laws as an "excuse" either. They're already trying to impose it with "pilot communities".
Just saying someone is "willfully corrupt" does not make it true. The telcoms have a legitimate right to do whatever they want with their backbones. They payed and continue to pay for them.
no they didnt. They were given heavy taxpayer grants which heavily subsidized their lines, and they also failed to deliver the capacity and market coverage they promised (e.g. rural areas are still dark).
Insisiting the telcos "paid" for those lines is like insisting the transcontinental railroad was privately funded, when in fact it would not exist if the government didnt give away wide tracts of land on either side of the tracks across the entire country.
Regulation in and of itself can also be a slipperly slow. That is why we need Net Neutrality laws. Yes, it's a form of regulation in a sense, but it's the best we can probably do.
Net neutrality is to regulation what the GPL is to copyright. It is regulation designed to subvert "regulation" by making the imposition of restrictions on the internet illegal.
Anyone who does not understand this is ignorant, and anyone who opposes it is willfully corrupt.
FIrst off, putting "healing our world" into google, brings up "libertarian".
For the reason why pure libertarianism (i.e. reaganomics) doesn't work, read my sig.
Second, education is a necessity for all. the moment you start to specialize it is the moment you start excluding valuable perspective from all strata of society.
I've already mentioned in a response to another post how competition is a two way street in education, and it would start imposing a permanent caste system through financial exclusion.
Schooling is supposed to be a commodity.. in commodities you may have multiple vendors in western markets, but oranges are oranges whether they're grown by general foods international or ADM.
What you are proposing would result in a much less mobile class system in the medium to long run, because the best schools will rise in demand, and will price the majority of students/families out of the market.
Apply this across the board, and you end up with what you have with college right now: the poorest don't go the next up on the ladder go to "community college" grade voucher schools the next after that go to the "normal non-competitive" voucher schools the upper middle class go to the "competitive" voucher schools the upper class go to the "exclusive" voucher schools the rich.. well they continue doing what they're doing now, going to "ivy league".
4 years of a college beyond normal means of a family may be doable with student loans, but this wont happen with k-12, so you'll end up with an isolated, de-facto caste system.
Let the poor get even poorer education, let the poorest be locked out of education entirely, let the rich monopolize the best resources, let the wealth gap grow even more obscenely.
Sorry, "the free market", which never really existed in the first place, is not a panacea for social ills, and in the case of services labelled "public necessity" will exacerbate them.
For a real world example of what privatization of schools will do, see: the current US broadband market.
Get the government out of it. We need free market competition. Let failing schools fail. Let failing teachers get fired. Let failing students get expelled. Let schools compete to provide the best education for the lowest cost. Let voluntary charities choose who is most in need and able to benefit from education charity. Education is too important to let government continue to completely cluster f*** it. Won't somebody please think of the children?
Let the poor get even poorer education, let the poorest be locked out of education entirely, let the rich monopolize the best resources, let the wealth gap grow even more obscenely.
Sorry, "the free market", which never really existed in the first place, is not a panacea for social ills, and in the case of services labelled "public necessity" will exacerbate them.
For a real world example of what privatization of schools will do, see: the current US broadband market.
You don't seem to get it, any drm system period is an utter insult to me, and to most people here.
They require proprietary formats, which lock out superior OSS playback tools (as well as many OTHER proprietary ones), and subsist because of a law which has utterly destroyed competition and innovation in playback and recording technology.
Their presence is an accusation of criminality, and a proclamation that i'm not allowed to own what I buy.
I don't want a corporation circumventing judicial review and due process to manage my digital rights!
Actually, i'd counter that insisting that space colonies would not work is neglecting certain rather obvious nuances of human behavior.
The first couple generations will happily move to a space colony for the sheer novelty, after which it will become main-stream enough that it won't make that much of a difference to others.
In order to feed ourselves, we must have arable land, but the places we live need not be arable or even organic at all. The ideal civilization would involve all humans not directly involved with agriculture living elsewhere, whether it be in orbit, on the moon, or somewhere else in the solar system.
bzzt, irrelevant informaton. That does not quantify consumer electronics and technology anywhere, merely "manufacturing".
also, surprise! the construction industry, related to real estate, which is has been in utter collapse, is only slightly smaller in the biggest crash in a while than the copyright cartels.
Speaking of that, the presence of IP and the lack of presence of a specified technology/consumer electronics sector after the tech-heavy 90's smacks of political monkeying by certain action committees.
Don't try to paint my post as some kind of invitation to go all gilded age and turn the entire planet's atmosphere into Beijing's.
In the past 15 years or so the opposite extreme has been creeping in and is now hindering our capacity to ween ourselves off imported oil.
Now every proposed solution must not only be "cleaner" than the technology it replaces, it must be completely and utterly non-polluting
Let's take the greenhouse issue with coal power plants in the US. Nuclear removes the atmospheric and climate issues, and replaces them with a much smaller scale radioactivity issue for which we already have numerous viable reprocessing protocols, but no.. it still pollutes a little! omg we must stifle this!
I will never understand this insistence that everything be "environmentally benign".
The philosophy should be "progressive mitigation" of environmental impact rather than the insistence that everything we do have no impact what soever.
Think long-term. The priority should be cheaper first, environmentally friendly second or even third in this type of project, because, in the long term, the faster we get viable colonies off this rock, the less impact we'll have as a species on our home planet.
Congress has been quite clear, throughout its history, that preserving competition is more important than preserving competitors
then congress has departed from its history:
the dmca the net act the pro ip act the pro-pirate act ausfta, cafta, acta
if they did this 100 years ago it would be illegal to make, buy, or own a car. There would be a tax on every bicycle to be distributed to buggy whip manufacturers, and the natonal association of buggy whip producers would be allowed to regulate the roads, and the manufacture of all buggies, and related buggy accessories.
and allows widespread theft of our #1 economic output.
this is bull.
If you lumped the entire movie and music industry together, google could buy it up with the rounding errors in their revenue calculations.
The truth is that consumer electronics and technology in general dwarf hollywood and IP in the GDP calculations. Think about it for a second. How much do you pay for cellphones, mobile broadband, home broadband, computers, etc vs hollywood trash?
Even in my uncle's household, where they receive more than they could possibly spend, their expenditures on technology outpace intellectual property 4 to 1. And no, he doesn't download anything because he doesn't know how.
Granted, they also recently became the world's #1 retailer of DRM-Free music as well.
I don't use their store for reasons in addition to DRM.. like the fact that the incorporation of the store coincided with excessive bloat, and the removal of internet streaming features.
Still, making a mistake and adding useless bloat to a music player is hardly locking it down.
I'm getting really tired of people bashing apple as "locked down" with DRM.
Last time I checked, it was the other guy who spent upwards of a decade re-engineering their entire os with the specific purpose of DRM, causing massive GFX and audio card driver instability and feature stripping which goes on to this day.. but back on topic here: apple isn't "locked down".
Their kernel is OSS, they allow the development of third party "haxies" for their OS and official apps (see chax, synergy, etc), and their unix based system serves as a large "main-stream" market for many products which would otherwise have a much smaller user base.
This is the reason why I use osx.. it combines the benefits of OSS with the benefits of proprietary, while retaining very few of the drawbacks.
The law isn't stupid, it's just broader than anyone realized at the time Stupidity would be actually prosecuting anyone for taking a few snapshots out the spacecraft window without a license.
I think they realized exactly what they were doing..
DMCA anyone?
a quote from the post above yours.
This law, in particular, is a piece of a strategy that didn't work in the early 90s, thanks in large part to career people at NOAA. They got this law passed, but they [private services like accu-weather] weren't able to shut down the ftp servers.
I've heard of selective output control "downrezing" HD for users, but apparently the MPAA doesn't trust its own member organizations, and is exercising selective input control as well?
Poorly designed, or incomplete bios implementations are not the exception. They are in fact a fairly common occurrence. The DSDT table being missing, incomplete, or just wrong is so common in fact, that a number of solutions exist.
And at this stage in the past interested public parties have filed class action suits, won HUGE damages which put "most abusive player x" under, and the rest shaped up really, really fast.
Urge the FSF to file class-action lawsuits for false advertising, anti-trust (a mobo that's supposed to be OS neutral under the standard evidently passing "special" tables to each os), and anything else in the book you can.
And each one we send will cost $100 million+. If you want to be a daredevil and pointlessly get yourself killed then go right ahead but do it on YOUR dime not societies. I'll support sending the guy who'll get the job that he was sent there for done instead of going on an ego or adrenaline trip.
I'm not interested on going on an ego or adrenaline trip. I want to do something truly constructive rather than be crammed into that tiny little box of "run on this hamster wheel doing pointless tasks to earn money to allow you to exist".
Human life, sent millions and millions of miles, is too precious to risk on non-Earth spelunking.
And this mentality is why we will not leave this planet until the second age of man, after the over-protective ninnies have been killed off in pillars of nuclear fire.
Human life is precious, but the reason we have tamed frontiers right now is because before the mid 20'th century, it was also considered expendable for the greater good and survival of the species.
If there are people willing and eager to go to these places, our society should enable them. They could die, sure, and relieve some of our population, and they could also do great things, expanding our horizons, resources, and habitable areas.
I tried to check at archive.org, but it seems the Scrabulous people blocked archive.org from their site. (Hmm, that doesn't exactly reek of good faith, does it?
Homeland security: "We want cowboyneal sent to gitmo for aiding and abetting terrorism!"
Judge: "Do you have any evidence to support your accusation?"
Homeland security" "We tried to use our domestic spying program to monitor his web habits, but he encrypted everything with a 1028 bit key! (Hmm, that doesn't exactly reek of good faith, does it?)"
Judge: "Cowboyneal, you are now sentenced to 0x23FF years in prison"
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I don't see anywhere in any net neutrality draft that requires they charge by the bit.
This is not a requirement.. metering is the isp's being greedy, and they don't need net neutrality laws as an "excuse" either. They're already trying to impose it with "pilot communities".
Just saying someone is "willfully corrupt" does not make it true. The telcoms have a legitimate right to do whatever they want with their backbones. They payed and continue to pay for them.
no they didnt. They were given heavy taxpayer grants which heavily subsidized their lines, and they also failed to deliver the capacity and market coverage they promised (e.g. rural areas are still dark).
Insisiting the telcos "paid" for those lines is like insisting the transcontinental railroad was privately funded, when in fact it would not exist if the government didnt give away wide tracts of land on either side of the tracks across the entire country.
yes there is a perfect solution: net neutrality laws.
Net neutrality is a government imposed regulation making it illegal for anyone (the state, the MAFIAA, or the telcos) to regulate the internet.
Regulation in and of itself can also be a slipperly slow. That is why we need Net Neutrality laws. Yes, it's a form of regulation in a sense, but it's the best we can probably do.
Net neutrality is to regulation what the GPL is to copyright. It is regulation designed to subvert "regulation" by making the imposition of restrictions on the internet illegal.
Anyone who does not understand this is ignorant, and anyone who opposes it is willfully corrupt.
FIrst off, putting "healing our world" into google, brings up "libertarian".
For the reason why pure libertarianism (i.e. reaganomics) doesn't work, read my sig.
Second, education is a necessity for all. the moment you start to specialize it is the moment you start excluding valuable perspective from all strata of society.
I've already mentioned in a response to another post how competition is a two way street in education, and it would start imposing a permanent caste system through financial exclusion.
Schooling is supposed to be a commodity.. in commodities you may have multiple vendors in western markets, but oranges are oranges whether they're grown by general foods international or ADM.
What you are proposing would result in a much less mobile class system in the medium to long run, because the best schools will rise in demand, and will price the majority of students/families out of the market.
Apply this across the board, and you end up with what you have with college right now:
the poorest don't go
the next up on the ladder go to "community college" grade voucher schools
the next after that go to the "normal non-competitive" voucher schools
the upper middle class go to the "competitive" voucher schools
the upper class go to the "exclusive" voucher schools
the rich.. well they continue doing what they're doing now, going to "ivy league".
4 years of a college beyond normal means of a family may be doable with student loans, but this wont happen with k-12, so you'll end up with an isolated, de-facto caste system.
Let the poor get even poorer education, let the poorest be locked out of education entirely, let the rich monopolize the best resources, let the wealth gap grow even more obscenely.
Sorry, "the free market", which never really existed in the first place, is not a panacea for social ills, and in the case of services labelled "public necessity" will exacerbate them.
For a real world example of what privatization of schools will do, see: the current US broadband market.
Get the government out of it. We need free market competition. Let failing schools fail. Let failing teachers get fired. Let failing students get expelled. Let schools compete to provide the best education for the lowest cost. Let voluntary charities choose who is most in need and able to benefit from education charity. Education is too important to let government continue to completely cluster f*** it. Won't somebody please think of the children?
Let the poor get even poorer education, let the poorest be locked out of education entirely, let the rich monopolize the best resources, let the wealth gap grow even more obscenely.
Sorry, "the free market", which never really existed in the first place, is not a panacea for social ills, and in the case of services labelled "public necessity" will exacerbate them.
For a real world example of what privatization of schools will do, see: the current US broadband market.
Ok. Name a *less* intrusive DRM system
You don't seem to get it, any drm system period is an utter insult to me, and to most people here.
They require proprietary formats, which lock out superior OSS playback tools (as well as many OTHER proprietary ones), and subsist because of a law which has utterly destroyed competition and innovation in playback and recording technology.
Their presence is an accusation of criminality, and a proclamation that i'm not allowed to own what I buy.
I don't want a corporation circumventing judicial review and due process to manage my digital rights!
Actually, i'd counter that insisting that space colonies would not work is neglecting certain rather obvious nuances of human behavior.
The first couple generations will happily move to a space colony for the sheer novelty, after which it will become main-stream enough that it won't make that much of a difference to others.
In order to feed ourselves, we must have arable land, but the places we live need not be arable or even organic at all. The ideal civilization would involve all humans not directly involved with agriculture living elsewhere, whether it be in orbit, on the moon, or somewhere else in the solar system.
bzzt, irrelevant informaton. That does not quantify consumer electronics and technology anywhere, merely "manufacturing".
also, surprise! the construction industry, related to real estate, which is has been in utter collapse, is only slightly smaller in the biggest crash in a while than the copyright cartels.
Speaking of that, the presence of IP and the lack of presence of a specified technology/consumer electronics sector after the tech-heavy 90's smacks of political monkeying by certain action committees.
Don't try to paint my post as some kind of invitation to go all gilded age and turn the entire planet's atmosphere into Beijing's.
In the past 15 years or so the opposite extreme has been creeping in and is now hindering our capacity to ween ourselves off imported oil.
Now every proposed solution must not only be "cleaner" than the technology it replaces, it must be completely and utterly non-polluting
Let's take the greenhouse issue with coal power plants in the US. Nuclear removes the atmospheric and climate issues, and replaces them with a much smaller scale radioactivity issue for which we already have numerous viable reprocessing protocols, but no.. it still pollutes a little! omg we must stifle this!
I will never understand this insistence that everything be "environmentally benign".
The philosophy should be "progressive mitigation" of environmental impact rather than the insistence that everything we do have no impact what soever.
Think long-term. The priority should be cheaper first, environmentally friendly second or even third in this type of project, because, in the long term, the faster we get viable colonies off this rock, the less impact we'll have as a species on our home planet.
Congress has been quite clear, throughout its history, that preserving competition is more important than preserving competitors
then congress has departed from its history:
the dmca
the net act
the pro ip act
the pro-pirate act
ausfta, cafta, acta
if they did this 100 years ago it would be illegal to make, buy, or own a car. There would be a tax on every bicycle to be distributed to buggy whip manufacturers, and the natonal association of buggy whip producers would be allowed to regulate the roads, and the manufacture of all buggies, and related buggy accessories.
and allows widespread theft of our #1 economic output.
this is bull.
If you lumped the entire movie and music industry together, google could buy it up with the rounding errors in their revenue calculations.
The truth is that consumer electronics and technology in general dwarf hollywood and IP in the GDP calculations. Think about it for a second. How much do you pay for cellphones, mobile broadband, home broadband, computers, etc vs hollywood trash?
Even in my uncle's household, where they receive more than they could possibly spend, their expenditures on technology outpace intellectual property 4 to 1. And no, he doesn't download anything because he doesn't know how.
Granted, they also recently became the world's #1 retailer of DRM-Free music as well.
I don't use their store for reasons in addition to DRM.. like the fact that the incorporation of the store coincided with excessive bloat, and the removal of internet streaming features.
Still, making a mistake and adding useless bloat to a music player is hardly locking it down.
I'm getting really tired of people bashing apple as "locked down" with DRM.
Last time I checked, it was the other guy who spent upwards of a decade re-engineering their entire os with the specific purpose of DRM, causing massive GFX and audio card driver instability and feature stripping which goes on to this day.. but back on topic here: apple isn't "locked down".
Their kernel is OSS, they allow the development of third party "haxies" for their OS and official apps (see chax, synergy, etc), and their unix based system serves as a large "main-stream" market for many products which would otherwise have a much smaller user base.
This is the reason why I use osx.. it combines the benefits of OSS with the benefits of proprietary, while retaining very few of the drawbacks.
The law isn't stupid, it's just broader than anyone realized at the time Stupidity would be actually prosecuting anyone for taking a few snapshots out the spacecraft window without a license.
I think they realized exactly what they were doing..
DMCA anyone?
a quote from the post above yours.
This law, in particular, is a piece of a strategy that didn't work in the early 90s, thanks in large part to career people at NOAA. They got this law passed, but they [private services like accu-weather] weren't able to shut down the ftp servers.
for job loss, the problem is immigration, not corporate greed
I gave your otherwise on target post a little fix
I've heard of selective output control "downrezing" HD for users, but apparently the MPAA doesn't trust its own member organizations, and is exercising selective input control as well?
ACPI compliance should be a prerequisite for Windows certification.
They can't claim something not doing ACPI is OK because MS says so.
Here in the UK I would take their sorry asses to the trade commission for false advertisement.
Then do it. Foxconn is a global manufacturer used in global brand names.
Poorly designed, or incomplete bios implementations are not the exception. They are in fact a fairly common occurrence. The DSDT table being missing, incomplete, or just wrong is so common in fact, that a number of solutions exist.
See here: http://acpi.sourceforge.net/dsdt/index.php
And at this stage in the past interested public parties have filed class action suits, won HUGE damages which put "most abusive player x" under, and the rest shaped up really, really fast.
Urge the FSF to file class-action lawsuits for false advertising, anti-trust (a mobo that's supposed to be OS neutral under the standard evidently passing "special" tables to each os), and anything else in the book you can.
And each one we send will cost $100 million+. If you want to be a daredevil and pointlessly get yourself killed then go right ahead but do it on YOUR dime not societies. I'll support sending the guy who'll get the job that he was sent there for done instead of going on an ego or adrenaline trip.
I'm not interested on going on an ego or adrenaline trip. I want to do something truly constructive rather than be crammed into that tiny little box of "run on this hamster wheel doing pointless tasks to earn money to allow you to exist".
Human life, sent millions and millions of miles, is too precious to risk on non-Earth spelunking.
And this mentality is why we will not leave this planet until the second age of man, after the over-protective ninnies have been killed off in pillars of nuclear fire.
Human life is precious, but the reason we have tamed frontiers right now is because before the mid 20'th century, it was also considered expendable for the greater good and survival of the species.
If there are people willing and eager to go to these places, our society should enable them. They could die, sure, and relieve some of our population, and they could also do great things, expanding our horizons, resources, and habitable areas.
I tried to check at archive.org, but it seems the Scrabulous people blocked archive.org from their site. (Hmm, that doesn't exactly reek of good faith, does it?
Homeland security:
"We want cowboyneal sent to gitmo for aiding and abetting terrorism!"
Judge:
"Do you have any evidence to support your accusation?"
Homeland security"
"We tried to use our domestic spying program to monitor his web habits, but he encrypted everything with a 1028 bit key! (Hmm, that doesn't exactly reek of good faith, does it?)"
Judge:
"Cowboyneal, you are now sentenced to 0x23FF years in prison"
Cowboyneal:
"WTF?"