These extensions are built using a recently ratified open standard called WS-Management from the DMTF.
Microsoft and 11 vendors submitted a proposal to this standards body in 2005. They then worked with the committee through the standards process as the spec evolved and came to its final standard status just recently. The spec was ratified as preliminary standard in mid-2006. Many changes were made by committee voting process. Microsoft's implementation is a core part of the OS, called "Windows Remote Management" or "winrm". As this was happening Microsoft kept its development team in sync with the committee so that changes could be made in the OS.
Vista shipped compliant with the Preliminary Standard version and MIcrosoft has shipped updates both to Vista and downlevel operating systems like windows XP to bring it into compliance with the standard.
The system center extensions make use of the winrm component to communicate with non-windows systems including Linux and embedded hardware such as Intel vPro and AMD equivalents.
You say in your comments that the hologram activation key did not work. What was the fairy dust that you used to make it work? If you used another key from another machine, then you are no longer using a valid licensed key for that machine.
it isnt clear that your situation is actually a legit machine.
There is no basis for connecting the dots to imply that this has any effect on WMI.
WMI is not a command line interface. WMI is a centralized component which exposes management instrumentation from the systems and applications which have WMI providers. Today, most of the OS, many common components and many applications which need to be managed have WMI providers. WMI provides objects which can be used via any programming or scripting interfaces to access and manipulate that data. Monad will just be another environment to access that data.
It is also unfair to characterize WMI as proprietary. WMI is Microsoft's implementation of the CIM open standard from the DMTF (Distributed Management Task Force) www.dmtf.org. The DMTF is a management focused standards body.
Going forward, WMI will be augmented in Windows Server 2003 R2 to expose this information via a Web Services interface called WS-Management. WS-Management is a proposal for Management over Web Services from Microsoft, Intel, Sun, Dell, AMD, BMC Software and WBEM Solutions for consideration in the WS-CIM working group at the DMTF.
If you have seen Windows Server 2003 R2 Beta, you can use WS-Management. If you attended TechED, you can see the multi-vendor WS-Management Interop demo in Steve Ballmer's keynote. Windows managing Windows, Solaris and *direct hardware* without the help of an OS.
it feels like you are trying to imply that the license is restrictive while pretending not to be.
Some people call this RANDZ (since its royalty free). RAND or RANDZ are the standard IPR policies for most standards which come from "open standards bodies". These days, its either RAND or RANDZ when you do new standards. W3C, IETF, DMTF and many others are all this way. There are plenty of WORSE standards out there with more restrictive licenses. (see WAP, or GSM for example)
"will it be encumbered by patents? looking at the contributors, my guess is yes "
Insightful? To me insightful would require actually having read the specification. If you look at the spec, you'll see the answer to this question.
"Microsoft, Intel, AMD, Dell, and Sun (collectively, the "Co-Developers") each agree upon request to grant you a license, provided you agree to be bound by such license, under royalty-free and otherwise reasonable, non-discriminatory terms and conditions to their respective patent claims that would necessarily be infringed by an implementation of the Specification and solely to the extent necessary to comply with the Specification."
The US based blackberry product uses Mobitex as its radio technology. Other RIM devices also use DataTac.
Both of these technologies are well short of GPRS. They do have always on which is very nice and IMHO what makes the blackberry useful.
However, their transfer speeds are very very low with extremely high latency. I dont have the numbers handy, but both of these protocols most closely resemble pager protocols rather than real IP data connections.
In addition to being uninformed, you also didn't bother to read.
They are funded pretty well, and I can tell you
that I've personally seen real and working danger devices. I beleive they also did a working demo at comdex.
I know this may seem like flaimbait, but I cant stand it when people post armchair assertions as fact from a quick skim of a site..
This is true, but NSI can refuse the transfer.
When this happens you must contact NSI to resolve
whatever extortion they wish to perpetrate on you:)
The case I run into is an expired domain that
they will not transfer until I renew it for a year. The fact that they will not actually
even maintaining it for the period that
they expect me to pay for is crazy.
It should be illegal, but unfortunately,
you need to just bend over and take it.
I worked for a large shipping company which was primarily Token Ring at the time. As they moved from SNA and Mainframe to Unix, a large number of Sun servers were deployed.
Deploying Sun's with Token ring were sheer headaches. Though the problems rarely affected the rest of the ring, the servers themselves were frequently wrapped out of the ring, subject to random beaconing, mysteriously off the net, and sometimes just plain hard locked up.
After about two years of trying to get the SunOS / Solaris Token Ring drivers to work correctly with our network, we gave up. Ultimately the Sun servers were deployed on Ethernet or FDDI.
The point here is that Token Ring is HARD to get right if you arent IBM. Even Sun, which would be considered to have a high priority of getting their servers to interop with IBM SNA/Mainframe/AS400s to sell into large shops, was not able to reliably get Token Ring for a long time.
At this point, the Linux situation is even less promising due to:
Little commercial support for the drivers
Less investment in token ring in the industry
What I would suggest is contacting IBM's Linux efforts. They should have a vested interest in seeing Linux systems interop with IBM infrastructure in IBM shops. Undoubtedly, the IBM shops are where the highest concentrations of Token Ring still exist...
Assuming you are using version 7, eg the first
'cool' one with skins and all.. It could be one of the following things that WMP does:
WMP checks for new fixes/updates, via HTTP, so
it likely uses a cookie to keep state of your last version check
By default, it starts with the "media guide" if you run the program itself, which is just a web page, and since you can customize it, it uses cookies
People have already mentioned CDDB like functionatlity
Aside from that WMP does comply with some content
protection and license management for online content. In these cases it allows unique identification of you (your player). This
is where your MAC address is used. This seems fair to me if you use licensed content.
Of course, you can turn this ID as well as protected content in options
It amazes me how anything good that MSFT does is always explained away by some evil conspiracy.
Here are some FACTS. I recently departed MSFT, while there I was one of most active MSFT folks in the WAP forum. I am also the chair of the WAP E2E security working group.
MSFT didn't want to join WAP because they felt that real Internet, eg TCP/IP was the right way to go. I personally was involved in these discussions and was hesitant to join the WAP forum.
We beleived that since TCP was suitable for net users when we all had 9.6 modems, it would be fine for mobile, which today is 9.6 for GSM and higher for things like CDMA.
Eventually, the WAP forum gained critical mass and it was a market requirement to join.
In the forum, our objective was mostly to help the forum make progress on its self adopted goal of convergence.
By this, I mean, the move from W*P back to Internet TCP, etc. Additionally, while its a more difficult process moving to a more standard markup language. The point of this is to make WAP devices able to interoperate with existing Internet infrastructure.
This work is continuing in the WAP forum as we speak and MSFT, along with other vendors are helping to make this a reality.
As for the control thing, MSFT doesn't control many other Internet standards, that isnt a problem. While its not necessarily a problem, people have complained about the way the WAP forum's IPR policies are structured. Its not a completely open forum like the IETF and the founders of the forum retain IPR over much of the WAP technology.
This can be a problem for some because it means if you wish to create products that use WAP technology, such as a handset or gateway, you must license, usually for $$ the intellectual property from various parties in the WAP forum.
Many have seen the GeoWorks issue in the press, and that was, I think, an unintended result of that IPR policy.
Even though I no longer work for MSFT, I honestly beleive that in this case we acted in the best interests of the community, not just those of MSFT.
Apple made a nice gui... mostly from Xerox code but still did alot with it... they didn't steal it.. they took something they knew would be big from someone who wasn't going to take it in the direction it needed to go in. And I believe they bought it.
No, get your facts straight. They did not buy it, they took it. Xerox was none too happy about it.
Apple has no ownership of the GUI. (Im not saying that you can copy THEIR GUI, but anyone can make a GUI).
"You believe" because you hope and you want to perceive Apple as a shining white knight when it did nothing more honorable than the other dozens of GUI products that followed it.
When windows was released, other GUIs besides Apple were being pushed. Remeber OS/2 ? DesQView ? DR GEM ?
recent versions of exchange support POP and IMAP. Depending on how your admin has things set up, you might be able to point an IMAP client against your exchange server
Aparently, Jay Miner and much of his team worked at Atari prior to starting work on the Amiga. I beleive that Jay Minor is credited with much of the work on the atari 800 series and VCS graphics engines..
So, (pure conjecture), this seems to fit nicely. Miner and friends get unhappy at Atari, which at the time is falling from grace, sold by warner, and eventually lands in the hands of the tramiels. Miner leaves, starts work on Amiga, atari lends money expecting to get the technology back, cheap.
The rest is history.
Also of interest, though its been argued that the ST died before the amiga, the Atari name still lingers on.
Atari Coin-OP is still alive and well, have a look in any arcade.
Atari Computer, the brand now owned by Hasbro, is re-releasing old atari titles and building new ones under the Atari brand.
Im gay too and so far, I've had much better luck with gay geeks instead of non-geeks.
The way I look at it, the more important part of boyfriend (or girlfriend) is the friend part. For me, I have better friendships with geeks than non geeks. So, its no surprise that I do better with geeks.
I would also like to add that Nokia as a corporation doesn't like Microsoft. MS did some bad and ugly things to push their non-standards against WAP and have, quite simply put, annoyed a lot of people here.
>MS did some bad and ugly things to push their >non-standards against WAP and have, quite simply >put, annoyed a lot of people here. MS proved >again to be full of sh*t, in every respect. could you quote some examples ?
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These extensions are built using a recently ratified open standard called WS-Management from the DMTF.
Microsoft and 11 vendors submitted a proposal to this standards body in 2005.
They then worked with the committee through the standards process as the spec evolved and came to its final standard status just recently.
The spec was ratified as preliminary standard in mid-2006.
Many changes were made by committee voting process. Microsoft's implementation is a core part of the OS, called "Windows Remote Management" or "winrm". As this was happening Microsoft kept its development team in sync with the committee so that changes could be made in the OS.
Vista shipped compliant with the Preliminary Standard version and MIcrosoft has shipped updates both to Vista and downlevel operating systems like windows XP to bring it into compliance with the standard.
The system center extensions make use of the winrm component to communicate with non-windows systems including Linux and embedded hardware such as Intel vPro and AMD equivalents.
you can find the specification at: http://www.dmtf.org/standards/wsman
You say in your comments that the hologram activation key did not work. What was the fairy dust that you used to make it work?
If you used another key from another machine, then you are no longer using a valid licensed key for that machine.
it isnt clear that your situation is actually a legit machine.
There is no basis for connecting the dots to imply that this has any effect on WMI.
t s.mspx
:)
WMI is not a command line interface. WMI is a centralized component which exposes management instrumentation from the systems and applications which have WMI providers. Today, most of the OS, many common components and many applications which need to be managed have WMI providers. WMI provides objects which can be used via any programming or scripting interfaces to access and manipulate that data. Monad will just be another environment to access that data.
It is also unfair to characterize WMI as proprietary. WMI is Microsoft's implementation of the CIM open standard from the DMTF (Distributed Management Task Force) www.dmtf.org. The DMTF is a management focused standards body.
Going forward, WMI will be augmented in Windows Server 2003 R2 to expose this information via a Web Services interface called WS-Management. WS-Management is a proposal for Management over Web Services from Microsoft, Intel, Sun, Dell, AMD, BMC Software and WBEM Solutions for consideration in the WS-CIM working group at the DMTF.
If you have seen Windows Server 2003 R2 Beta, you can use WS-Management.
If you attended TechED, you can see the multi-vendor WS-Management Interop demo in Steve Ballmer's keynote. Windows managing Windows, Solaris and *direct hardware* without the help of an OS.
To see it go to:
http://www.microsoft.com/events/executives/webcas
Select on demand webcast. Seek to time 1:13:50
Don't forget to check out Samantha Bee (from daily show) hosting the "techie show" for a laugh (or groan)
Perhaps I didnt need to be so bitchy.
it feels like you are trying to imply that the license is restrictive while pretending not to be.
Some people call this RANDZ (since its royalty free). RAND or RANDZ are the standard IPR policies for most standards which come from "open standards bodies".
These days, its either RAND or RANDZ when you do new standards.
W3C, IETF, DMTF and many others are all this way. There are plenty of WORSE standards out there with more restrictive licenses.
(see WAP, or GSM for example)
Insightful? To me insightful would require actually having read the specification.
If you look at the spec, you'll see the answer to this question.
The US based blackberry product uses Mobitex as its radio technology. Other RIM devices also use DataTac.
Both of these technologies are well short of GPRS. They do have always on which is very nice and IMHO what makes the blackberry useful.
However, their transfer speeds are very very low with extremely high latency. I dont have the numbers handy, but both of these protocols most closely resemble pager protocols rather than real IP data connections.
They are funded pretty well, and I can tell you
that I've personally seen real and working danger devices. I beleive they also did a working demo at comdex.
I know this may seem like flaimbait, but I cant stand it when people post armchair assertions as fact from a quick skim of a site..
The case I run into is an expired domain that they will not transfer until I renew it for a year. The fact that they will not actually even maintaining it for the period that they expect me to pay for is crazy. It should be illegal, but unfortunately, you need to just bend over and take it.
Deploying Sun's with Token ring were sheer headaches. Though the problems rarely affected the rest of the ring, the servers themselves were frequently wrapped out of the ring, subject to random beaconing, mysteriously off the net, and sometimes just plain hard locked up.
After about two years of trying to get the SunOS / Solaris Token Ring drivers to work correctly with our network, we gave up. Ultimately the Sun servers were deployed on Ethernet or FDDI.
The point here is that Token Ring is HARD to get right if you arent IBM. Even Sun, which would be considered to have a high priority of getting their servers to interop with IBM SNA/Mainframe/AS400s to sell into large shops, was not able to reliably get Token Ring for a long time.
At this point, the Linux situation is even less promising due to:
Little commercial support for the drivers
Less investment in token ring in the industry
What I would suggest is contacting IBM's Linux efforts. They should have a vested interest in seeing Linux systems interop with IBM infrastructure in IBM shops. Undoubtedly, the IBM shops are where the highest concentrations of Token Ring still exist...
WMP checks for new fixes/updates, via HTTP, so it likely uses a cookie to keep state of your last version check
By default, it starts with the "media guide" if you run the program itself, which is just a web page, and since you can customize it, it uses cookies
People have already mentioned CDDB like functionatlity
Aside from that WMP does comply with some content protection and license management for online content. In these cases it allows unique identification of you (your player). This is where your MAC address is used. This seems fair to me if you use licensed content.
Of course, you can turn this ID as well as protected content in options
It amazes me how anything good that MSFT does is
always explained away by some evil conspiracy.
Here are some FACTS.
I recently departed MSFT, while there I
was one of most active MSFT folks in
the WAP forum. I am also the chair
of the WAP E2E security working group.
MSFT didn't want to join WAP because they
felt that real Internet, eg TCP/IP was
the right way to go.
I personally was involved in these
discussions and was hesitant to
join the WAP forum.
We beleived that since TCP was suitable
for net users when we all had 9.6 modems,
it would be fine for mobile, which today
is 9.6 for GSM and higher for things like
CDMA.
Eventually, the WAP forum gained critical
mass and it was a market requirement to join.
In the forum, our objective was mostly to
help the forum make progress on its
self adopted goal of convergence.
By this, I mean, the move from W*P back
to Internet TCP, etc.
Additionally, while its a more difficult
process moving to a more standard markup
language.
The point of this is to make WAP devices
able to interoperate with existing Internet
infrastructure.
This work is continuing in the WAP forum
as we speak and MSFT, along with other
vendors are helping to make this a reality.
As for the control thing, MSFT doesn't control
many other Internet standards, that isnt a problem.
While its not necessarily a problem, people
have complained about the way the WAP forum's
IPR policies are structured. Its not a completely
open forum like the IETF and the founders
of the forum retain IPR over much of the
WAP technology.
This can be a problem for some because it
means if you wish to create products
that use WAP technology, such as a handset
or gateway, you must license, usually for $$
the intellectual property from various
parties in the WAP forum.
Many have seen the GeoWorks issue in the press,
and that was, I think, an unintended result
of that IPR policy.
Even though I no longer work for MSFT,
I honestly beleive that in this case
we acted in the best interests of the
community, not just those of MSFT.
No, get your facts straight. They did not buy it, they took it. Xerox was none too happy about it.
Apple has no ownership of the GUI. (Im not saying that you can copy THEIR GUI, but anyone can make a GUI).
"You believe" because you hope and you want to perceive Apple as a shining white knight when it did nothing more honorable than the other dozens of GUI products that followed it.
When windows was released, other GUIs besides Apple were being pushed. Remeber OS/2 ? DesQView ? DR GEM ?
Windows and MAC have survived, the others didn't
recent versions of exchange support POP and IMAP.
Depending on how your admin has things set up,
you might be able to point an IMAP client
against your exchange server
Aparently, Jay Miner and much of his team worked at Atari prior to starting work on the Amiga. I beleive that Jay Minor is credited with much of the work on the atari 800 series and VCS graphics engines..
So, (pure conjecture), this seems to fit nicely. Miner and friends get unhappy at Atari, which at the time is falling from grace, sold by warner, and eventually lands in the hands of the tramiels. Miner leaves, starts work on Amiga, atari lends money expecting to get the technology back, cheap.
The rest is history.
Also of interest, though its been argued that the ST died before the amiga, the Atari name still lingers on.
Atari Coin-OP is still alive and well, have a look in any arcade.
Atari Computer, the brand now owned by Hasbro, is re-releasing old atari titles and building new ones under the Atari brand.
Im gay too and so far, I've had much better luck with gay geeks instead of non-geeks.
The way I look at it, the more important part of boyfriend (or girlfriend) is the friend part. For me, I have better friendships with geeks than non geeks. So, its no surprise that I do better with geeks.
Could you cite some examples?
>MS did some bad and ugly things to push their >non-standards against WAP and have, quite simply >put, annoyed a lot of people here. MS proved >again to be full of sh*t, in every respect. could you quote some examples ?