Not intended. To that, it seems like the only time I get any mod privileges is on the weekends and when there tends to NOT be anything interesting to read/mod.
Maybe/. should add a way for us to trade mod points?;-)
Tell that to Microsoft and they'll say they want the server too. A pretty desktop is the easy part, it's doing on a secure and reliable platform that's the real "catch". So why not have your cake and eat it too by having a robust OS on the handheld?
BTW, just what do you think is running behind the scenes of your MS LookOut client? Most likely it's a Microsoft Exchange SERVER and it's NOT running on "stable stuff". But that's how MS wants it. They want it all. You do realize that if the PocketPC/WinCE business was on it's own, it would have died years ago. It's been losing money for MS for going on 7 years. And that's gotta tell you something about the product. IMHO.
Personally, I want a computing system that works and is cheap to deploy/use. THAT counts Microsoft out and GNU/Linux is what's in.
If these guys are so smart, why were all those recent close calls such a surprise? Someone is playing with numbers here so I wouldn't get all cozy about being prefectly safe from THE BIG ROCK.
Then again, Mr Bush will probably cause WW III so what's THE BIG ROCK going to do but kill a dead planet.;-)
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I think they still do that today and if somebody went public with how stupid this really is, I'm sure they would get the same treatment. Be EDUCATING the public, the politicians feel threatened. They've made clueless decisions and when those decisions are threatened... well, it's just unAmerican( or so THEY say ).
This reminds me of Rosie Jetson, the balancing maid on the olde time carton "The Jetsons". I think Rosie only had one wheel but it's a start.;-) The one feature of being able to balance may turn out to be a big break for robot mobility and usefulness. Just think if all the designs there have been for keeping robots from falling over just going up ramps, let alone stairs.
that may or may not be true but one this is sure, Microsoft has only had to find ways to hide it's profits over the last 15 or so years. With pressure from failed software security, pissed off customers getting squeezed with License 6 fees, and GNU/Linux migrations, Microsoft will soon be in the same kind of boat many many others have been in in the past. How they do their books in THIS environment will be interesting. US, or other, Laws don't seem to be considered very much in their usual business practices so I question how "ethical" they'll be when pressured financially to keep showing growth. IMHO.
BTW, is your current praise of Microsofts book keeping because their books are all done on paper and not electronically? THAT is how they said they do their books in federal court.;/
BFD. I've seen MS Chicago a couple of years before it shipped in late 1995. It was likely to have been a shell on Windows 3.11 and when that OS shipped as Windows 95 it had only a fraction of the technology hyped to have been part of the product.
So whoop tee doooo, you've installed something called Longhorn!
What's interesting here is that this is mostly a DESKTOP problem. If it's hurting Microsofts sales is this only a delay in purchasing more buggy Microsoft software or is there REAL consideration from moving away from Microsoft on the desktop? If it's the latter, it shouldn't be long before we see alot more desktop LinixPC migration news.
My thought is that Microsoft does not know how to satisfy it's customers with regards to security and with the next end-all OS releases not due til 2006, I doubt patching XP is going to be enough to satisfy those on the fence.
I guess we'll have to wait one or two more quarters to see how Microsoft is going to cook it's books to cover this up. I just loved that excuse that the sales force was helping with network configuration so new contract sales were down.:)
Some things to remember about Liquid Motion; it was a Java based application, Netscape was using it for a Netscape authoring application, Sun Microsystems wanted to purchase DimensionX( probably because LiquidMotion tools/APIs were a good example of how Java could be used and could be used to enhance the Java platform ).
IMHO, Microsoft purchased DimensionX( owner of Liquid Motion ) to harm Netscape by removing it's authoring tool from the market, harm Java by removing a showcase of how Java can be used.
This is probably why anything from LiquidMotion never showed up after the purchase of DimensionX. IMHO.
They purchased Dimension X, the owner of Liquid Motion in order to kill the product and help kill off Netscape. You see, Liquid Motion was a Java based application that Netscape was using for it's authoring tool. Microsoft found out that Sun Microsystems was looking to purchase Dimension X and got into a bidding war with Microsoft winning.
This was also the period where Microsoft purchased Coopers and Peters too. They had a Java based product too and it too was killed.
So goes the way Microsoft competes and "innovates". Don't take my word, history is a better instructor.
isn't this essentially building a vector graphics system into the OS? Gee wiz, what an amazing innovation from Microsoft that's due in TWO years or more. NOT!
That's what went through my mind too. Rexx was the name IIRC and I think Franklin purchased the productline. This "concept" has a much larger screen resolution though.
I told Sharp about this kind of thing about a year ago. It told them that they should build a display system that'll allow the Zaurus to plug into it and act as the computing center for the desktop display. Wireless mouse and keyboard would enable familiar data Input and networking could be built into the display or via a wireless link.
Good to see somebody coming up with a product( kinda ) using this idea. These handhelds have enough CPU these days for lightweight desktop use.
IBM's implementation of a computing core is even better because it has the added benefit of enabling wearable computing. Though I do think that's a much smaller market compared to handhelds and desktop combo's potential market. IMHO.
I'm pretty sure they've got Linux/Qtopia running on these boxes already. Some poor sucker must REALLY want a less crash prone version of Windows on a handheld.
Good point about this actually being a Windows press release that's good for Linux. If WinCE really worked, there would be no reason for this kind of press release/product. It shows Microsoft has so many different platforms and such a broken roadmap that it's getting more and more difficult to beat GNU/Linux. It just scales both down and up so well.
right you are and if you REALLY want a fully capable OS then install GNU/Linux on those PPC's.Or, better yet, just buy the Sharp Zaurus with Linux already installed.
What's probably going on here is the WinCE still sucks and some customers want something more reliable. Look how the US Army dumped Windows for Linux on it's future wired soldier platform. A company would REALLY have to have deep pockets to want one of these ~$4,000 handhelds. IMHO.
yes, how low can it go.... This isn't win-able but here goes anyway. The marketshare for PDA's is dominated by PalmOS devices. And don't pull recent numbers out but look at the total marketshare over the last 8 years. So PalmOS dominates the market but Microsoft couldn't compete on the hardware side. It takes a compact and powerful computer to run WinCE. Heck, Linux was even installed on those 4MB Palm IIIx devices. They don't call them pocket PC's for nothing.
Compare the hardware specs for those WinCE phones with those of Symbian or even PalmOS phones. Anyways, it's been something like 8 years since WinCE first came out and lucky for Microsoft, you can now get a 400MHz CPU cranking in those little boxes. Surely Microsoft hates to see Linux getting used in all those routers and things. IMHO.
It is Microsoft for gawd sakes. What would you expect?
Maybe it's time to start a list....I expect Microsoft to start purchasing Linux companies to kill them off. Just like they did to fight Java and Netscape.
what are you talking about, there IS a market for tablet computers and has been for many years. It is NOT large enough for many players but a market none the less. Go was not a large company but as soon as Microsoft stalled it's sales, it went up for sale. Geesh, kinda like Netscape if you need a recent history lesson. Take away their income and kill the company/product. This is not a new feature of Microsofts business BTW.
As if AT&T is a good marketing company.... Before Microsft started killing every good idea out there, it was standard practice for companies to grow the market for new ideas and grow the company as the market grew. Usually, only if the market really wasn't there would the product die. Today, any company/market that starts to take hold ends up getting killed by Microsofts FUD and other marketing practices. Those practices are in place to protect their monopoly and that all.
There have been companies making table computers since the early 1990's. Would Go Inc still be around if Microsoft didn't eliminate it's revenue stream? Nobody will ever know but they surely were not allowed a free market to try. IMHO.
This is how Microsoft works. 50% of HP's PC's were pulled of the COMDEX show room floor the night before the show opened after Microsoft told HP to do so. Those PC's where running OS/2. Many in the press have been blacklisted because they didn't tow the Microsoft line.
Remember, Microsoft is a marketing company first and a technology company second(if even that).
I wonder why Fiorina was so against playing Bill's game? They had their own tablet at the time.... Is she really sick of Bill telling her what to do?
yup, 7 years of running a loss for the company but they keep dumping $$ into the product( WinCE ). IMO, they are doing this for the same reason they did Java, Xbox, etc. To make sure they are involved in the sector so nobody else gets TOO big. Anything with an OS on it and Microsoft MUST be involved and pump millions of marketing $$ to stall anybody elses progress. Or there's a chance that sector will grow up to replace Windows.
With $50 BILLION in CASH, they can afford to keep any project alive long enough to see what happens. Any other company would have killed off all of Microsofts business's except for MS Windows, MS Office and maybe some of their server stuff. Everything else loses money but their monopoly money keeps them going.
Then it sounds like it should be called the "Senior PC" and marketed to that sector. Hey, it's MS-Bob, Sr edition!;)
The keyboard and mouse are second nature to the current generation of kids and therefore all 3 points are rendered mute for the large majority of the population.
There is a market for the device but it's not large enough to warrent the million of dollars Microsoft is spending marketing it. Nor the number of hardware companies falling for this latest Microsoft dance number. IMHO.
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Not intended. To that, it seems like the only time I get any mod privileges is on the weekends and when there tends to NOT be anything interesting to read/mod.
/. should add a way for us to trade mod points? ;-)
Maybe
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Tell that to Microsoft and they'll say they want the server too. A pretty desktop is the easy part, it's doing on a secure and reliable platform that's the real "catch". So why not have your cake and eat it too by having a robust OS on the handheld?
BTW, just what do you think is running behind the scenes of your MS LookOut client? Most likely it's a Microsoft Exchange SERVER and it's NOT running on "stable stuff". But that's how MS wants it. They want it all. You do realize that if the PocketPC/WinCE business was on it's own, it would have died years ago. It's been losing money for MS for going on 7 years. And that's gotta tell you something about the product. IMHO.
Personally, I want a computing system that works and is cheap to deploy/use. THAT counts Microsoft out and GNU/Linux is what's in.
LoB
If these guys are so smart, why were all those recent close calls such a surprise? Someone is playing with numbers here so I wouldn't get all cozy about being prefectly safe from THE BIG ROCK.
;-)
Then again, Mr Bush will probably cause WW III so what's THE BIG ROCK going to do but kill a dead planet.
Dr Smith: Doomed, we're all doomed.
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This is what I get for not proof reading:
"By EDUCATING" not "Be EDUCATING"
I think they still do that today and if somebody went public with how stupid this really is, I'm sure they would get the same treatment. Be EDUCATING the public, the politicians feel threatened. They've made clueless decisions and when those decisions are threatened... well, it's just unAmerican( or so THEY say ).
For the people, by the people... yea, right.
LoB
This reminds me of Rosie Jetson, the balancing maid on the olde time carton "The Jetsons". I think Rosie only had one wheel but it's a start. ;-) The one feature of being able to balance may turn out to be a big break for robot mobility and usefulness. Just think if all the designs there have been for keeping robots from falling over just going up ramps, let alone stairs.
:)
Rosie, fetch me my Uggs.
LoB
that may or may not be true but one this is sure, Microsoft has only had to find ways to hide it's profits over the last 15 or so years. With pressure from failed software security, pissed off customers getting squeezed with License 6 fees, and GNU/Linux migrations, Microsoft will soon be in the same kind of boat many many others have been in in the past. How they do their books in THIS environment will be interesting. US, or other, Laws don't seem to be considered very much in their usual business practices so I question how "ethical" they'll be when pressured financially to keep showing growth. IMHO.
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BTW, is your current praise of Microsofts book keeping because their books are all done on paper and not electronically? THAT is how they said they do their books in federal court.
LoB
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BFD. I've seen MS Chicago a couple of years before it shipped in late 1995. It was likely to have been a shell on Windows 3.11 and when that OS shipped as Windows 95 it had only a fraction of the technology hyped to have been part of the product.
So whoop tee doooo, you've installed something called Longhorn!
LoB
What's interesting here is that this is mostly a DESKTOP problem. If it's hurting Microsofts sales is this only a delay in purchasing more buggy Microsoft software or is there REAL consideration from moving away from Microsoft on the desktop? If it's the latter, it shouldn't be long before we see alot more desktop LinixPC migration news.
:)
My thought is that Microsoft does not know how to satisfy it's customers with regards to security and with the next end-all OS releases not due til 2006, I doubt patching XP is going to be enough to satisfy those on the fence.
I guess we'll have to wait one or two more quarters to see how Microsoft is going to cook it's books to cover this up. I just loved that excuse that the sales force was helping with network configuration so new contract sales were down.
LoB
and look at everyone installing MS Longhorn! If it looks like vapor, smells like vapor, and feels like vapor. It's probably nothing at all.
LoB
Some things to remember about Liquid Motion; it was a Java based application, Netscape was using it for a Netscape authoring application, Sun Microsystems wanted to purchase DimensionX( probably because LiquidMotion tools/APIs were a good example of how Java could be used and could be used to enhance the Java platform ).
IMHO, Microsoft purchased DimensionX( owner of Liquid Motion ) to harm Netscape by removing it's authoring tool from the market, harm Java by removing a showcase of how Java can be used.
This is probably why anything from LiquidMotion never showed up after the purchase of DimensionX. IMHO.
LoB
They purchased Dimension X, the owner of Liquid Motion in order to kill the product and help kill off Netscape. You see, Liquid Motion was a Java based application that Netscape was using for it's authoring tool. Microsoft found out that Sun Microsystems was looking to purchase Dimension X and got into a bidding war with Microsoft winning.
This was also the period where Microsoft purchased Coopers and Peters too. They had a Java based product too and it too was killed.
So goes the way Microsoft competes and "innovates". Don't take my word, history is a better instructor.
LoB
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isn't this essentially building a vector graphics system into the OS? Gee wiz, what an amazing innovation from Microsoft that's due in TWO years or more. NOT!
LoB
That's what went through my mind too. Rexx was the name IIRC and I think Franklin purchased the productline. This "concept" has a much larger screen resolution though.
seems everybodies got a PDA these days.
LoB
I told Sharp about this kind of thing about a year ago. It told them that they should build a display system that'll allow the Zaurus to plug into it and act as the computing center for the desktop display. Wireless mouse and keyboard would enable familiar data Input and networking could be built into the display or via a wireless link.
Good to see somebody coming up with a product( kinda ) using this idea. These handhelds have enough CPU these days for lightweight desktop use.
IBM's implementation of a computing core is even better because it has the added benefit of enabling wearable computing. Though I do think that's a much smaller market compared to handhelds and desktop combo's potential market. IMHO.
LoB
I'm pretty sure they've got Linux/Qtopia running on these boxes already. Some poor sucker must REALLY want a less crash prone version of Windows on a handheld.
Good point about this actually being a Windows press release that's good for Linux. If WinCE really worked, there would be no reason for this kind of press release/product. It shows Microsoft has so many different platforms and such a broken roadmap that it's getting more and more difficult to beat GNU/Linux. It just scales both down and up so well.
LoB
right you are and if you REALLY want a fully capable OS then install GNU/Linux on those PPC's.Or, better yet, just buy the Sharp Zaurus with Linux already installed.
What's probably going on here is the WinCE still sucks and some customers want something more reliable. Look how the US Army dumped Windows for Linux on it's future wired soldier platform. A company would REALLY have to have deep pockets to want one of these ~$4,000 handhelds. IMHO.
LoB
yes, how low can it go.... This isn't win-able but here goes anyway. The marketshare for PDA's is dominated by PalmOS devices. And don't pull recent numbers out but look at the total marketshare over the last 8 years. So PalmOS dominates the market but Microsoft couldn't compete on the hardware side. It takes a compact and powerful computer to run WinCE. Heck, Linux was even installed on those 4MB Palm IIIx devices. They don't call them pocket PC's for nothing.
Compare the hardware specs for those WinCE phones with those of Symbian or even PalmOS phones. Anyways, it's been something like 8 years since WinCE first came out and lucky for Microsoft, you can now get a 400MHz CPU cranking in those little boxes. Surely Microsoft hates to see Linux getting used in all those routers and things. IMHO.
LoB
It is Microsoft for gawd sakes. What would you expect?
Maybe it's time to start a list....I expect Microsoft to start purchasing Linux companies to kill them off. Just like they did to fight Java and Netscape.
LoB
what are you talking about, there IS a market for tablet computers and has been for many years. It is NOT large enough for many players but a market none the less. Go was not a large company but as soon as Microsoft stalled it's sales, it went up for sale. Geesh, kinda like Netscape if you need a recent history lesson. Take away their income and kill the company/product. This is not a new feature of Microsofts business BTW.
As if AT&T is a good marketing company.... Before Microsft started killing every good idea out there, it was standard practice for companies to grow the market for new ideas and grow the company as the market grew. Usually, only if the market really wasn't there would the product die. Today, any company/market that starts to take hold ends up getting killed by Microsofts FUD and other marketing practices. Those practices are in place to protect their monopoly and that all.
There have been companies making table computers since the early 1990's. Would Go Inc still be around if Microsoft didn't eliminate it's revenue stream? Nobody will ever know but they surely were not allowed a free market to try. IMHO.
LoB
This is how Microsoft works. 50% of HP's PC's were pulled of the COMDEX show room floor the night before the show opened after Microsoft told HP to do so. Those PC's where running OS/2. Many in the press have been blacklisted because they didn't tow the Microsoft line.
Remember, Microsoft is a marketing company first and a technology company second(if even that).
I wonder why Fiorina was so against playing Bill's game? They had their own tablet at the time.... Is she really sick of Bill telling her what to do?
LoB
yup, 7 years of running a loss for the company but they keep dumping $$ into the product( WinCE ). IMO, they are doing this for the same reason they did Java, Xbox, etc. To make sure they are involved in the sector so nobody else gets TOO big. Anything with an OS on it and Microsoft MUST be involved and pump millions of marketing $$ to stall anybody elses progress. Or there's a chance that sector will grow up to replace Windows.
With $50 BILLION in CASH, they can afford to keep any project alive long enough to see what happens. Any other company would have killed off all of Microsofts business's except for MS Windows, MS Office and maybe some of their server stuff. Everything else loses money but their monopoly money keeps them going.
LoB
Then it sounds like it should be called the "Senior PC" and marketed to that sector. Hey, it's MS-Bob, Sr edition! ;)
The keyboard and mouse are second nature to the current generation of kids and therefore all 3 points are rendered mute for the large majority of the population.
There is a market for the device but it's not large enough to warrent the million of dollars Microsoft is spending marketing it. Nor the number of hardware companies falling for this latest Microsoft dance number. IMHO.
LoB