About that Micro$oft ad, I think it says their servers can run for days without humans. I had to laugh. Days.... I guess they figure they are advertising to Micro$ofts current customers. You know the ones who reboot their machines daily. Having a server run for days would be really cool. Gee, thanks Micro$oft.;)
One thing that is always missing from the "news" of how much OSS doesn't make money is how much money corporations would save. Dah. Where did all of Microsofts billions come from? I get very few replys from article authors when I as why they didn't mention the savings corporations would make. I figure they were paid to write the ads... I mean articles.
One of the authors responded to my query of 760e support with the following:
Sorry for the late response.. I dunno if you've tried it yet, but it
should work on most TPs with the mwave chipset... This would include the
760E... If you run into any problems, drop me a line... If you get it to
work drop me a line also so we can add your machine to the "yes it works"
column...
cheers..Paul...
This whole thing smells of proprietary MSFT tactics. I don't think La-Z-Boy came up with this at all. MSFT most likely paid them to do this and expensed it in the marketing budget. Why else would there be this requirement for WebTV?
A flip out LCD and built-in speakers would have kicked butt. Maybe I'll do that with one of my I-Openers and one of my La-Z-Boys....
They've done a damn good job of assimilating the office and now it's time to assimilate the home.
> Being a Microsoft product does not ensure success.
If their future depends on it it does.....
Microsofts future is at stake here. IMHO
I believe that is why they are dumping $500,000 into just the marketing of the XBox. They had to save the desktop from Netscape so they MADE Internet Exploder successful by preloading it.
The XBox will be marketed to the scale of Windoz 95 because they have to succeed. OS/2 was the reason for the expensive PR from 1993-1995 and PS2 is the reason for the half a billion dollar PR for XBox.
Like monopoly controlled OS's like Windows are the future. NOT. Linux may not be the greatest OS but it is designed to be small and fast and anybody can decide how big it really gets. Windows has but one company to package it and it always choses it's designs based on protecting its monopoly.
> Well, all what this is is what Windows 98/2000
> explorer already does.
>
> So are we saying that the non Windows world has
> finally catching up? And who is copying who in
> this case?!
OpenDoc did this in 1994. OS/2 had the CORBA based Desktop called WorkplaceShell which had many of these features too. That was released in 1991 if my memory is correct.
Besides, this is open and not something used just to make sure application X doesn't run on the OS.
This is open silly. Big difference here because everyone gets to play.
I'd also like to say that your Windows been-there-done-that attitude is wrong. OS/2 v2.0 used a implementation of the CORBA spec in 1991 for its WorkPlaceShell Desktop. Objects baby, all the way through. OpenDoc was going to be the ultimate OO framework for apps but WordPerfect and then Novell failed on the Windows platform. OpenDoc allowed multitasking within the container. While this doesn't seem like a big deal, those OLE controls could only have one active component at a time. How boring. OpenDoc was very cool technology and was revolutionary because it made DATA important and not the APPLICATION. Monopolies ruin.... Who except Microsoft can get any technology on Windows right out of the box anyway?
This is indeed great news and Windows still sucks. IMHO.:)
Yup, they released a gama version for final testing and then shortly after killed it. When I went to the Adobe Comdex boot, around 1995/96 timeframe, they were your typical Windows lemming developers.
The fact that there exists a Solaris version smells of Microsoft leverage here. Maybe Microsoft was going to crank up fees on Adobe so they started the Linux port to beat Microsoft on the head with and then agreed to throw it away when they got a better deal from MSFT?
If it smells like sh*t, looks like sh*t, and tastes like sh*t there is a good chance Microsoft is involved. IMHO
There is a way to fix those broken Palms for less then Palm charges. I think the price is $50 for replacement screens but you have to take the unit apart. If you still have the old units around I might be willing to buy them from you.
Yes. I bought one for my mom's 70 b-day. I get email from her every couple of weeks. I've received no requests for help. Maybe Netpliance failed in the marketing and maybe AT&T will do a better job. I think Netpliance is hoping that happens.
LoB
Haven't I read somewhere that M$ is coming out with a new client interface to its WEB portal, MSN? This doesn't sound like a move to open standards to me. Didn't M$ just pay Macromedia to put M$-only extensions into its new Flash plugin for M$ MediaPlayer? All this points to M$ STILL promoting it's OS. Not new. IMHO.
There is a easy solution. After all why would anyone want to converse with someone using msn.com or hotmail.com services? They are Microsoft drones who want to live in Microsofts world and I say we should let them have it all to themselves. Filters are a wonder thing. IMHO.
I still question the CPU and Intel because of the way the rest of the article reads. I mean, it's a 1.5GHz chip and they compare it to a 800MHz one by saying it captured more frames of video? ( What is that about? ) Built for the Internet? I don't think AMD has anything to worry about here.
Sorry people but Intel is pulling a fast one here. What they have done is allow some part of the CPU's core to run at 2x the rest of the chip. If they were to do this to the PIII and find one which would run at 1GHz, then couldn't they say they had a 2GHz CPU?
I'm thinking that this is a hack to fool the public into thinking they have won back the performance crown. Just the size of the die is enough to indicate this chip will be very illusive.
Intel has a habit now of announcing products which they can't produce in quantities sufficient to keep AMD off their backs. Too bad the market makers are unwilling to show any indication Intel is faltering but when such a large percentage of their business is CPU's they are doing their clients an injustice. Not looking at something doesn't mean it isn't there.
I've seen many times now how Microsoft is using the "dollars generated" case in its FUD. This is just another example. What looks like bad news for Linux is really good news because the dollars that are generated from sales of Microsoft OS's are dollars PAID by corporations, small businesses, and home users unlike the Linux users. The money that Linux doesn't generate is money saved by the users of the platform. It's great to see Linux's share rapidly rising and you only see the COST's associated with that slowly growing.
Let's see what happens to Microsofts business model as Linux takes China, Asia, then Europe, etc.....Wait, didn't Bill G say something like this in a email about cutting Netscapes income out by giving away and paying people to use Microsoft Internet Explorer?
When MSFT moved to Windows 95 they removed some of the DOS features. I'll bet this was to 'help' DOS developers move to Windows 95 API's. This move is more of the same and has nothing to do with stablility or customer requirements. This sounds more like Bill G's requirement. Prevent competition before you have to actually compete...
IMHO
I guess "the market" can't make those decisions? If moving everything into the Windows API pile is such a good thing then why doesn't the market leave DOS alone? Like it makes sense to build a network card and then sell it with a driver which is difficult to configure and slower then what that card is capable of doing.... Then again, maybe the hardware vendors have found the drivers are more stable in the 16bit DOS world as opposed to the all encompassing Windows API's where applications and browsers are part of the OS?
I think there is a more sinister reason. This IS Microsoft after all. Could this have to do with gaming? Time to force EVERYONE to write games to Windows API's and then in 3 years when xbox ships all the Windows games vendors can port easily to the platform. Or MSFT will list all game vendors for the PC as building for xbox because they were sent free (non-functional) SDKs since they all now have to license MSFT's software to write games? MSFT can now track the competitions product sales and use xbox "upgrades" to keep ahead of the others. After all, a PC turned into a game console is not a PC so the courts can't touch it.....
Sorry, there is a reason for this and it isn't because MSFT wants to build a better product or that "the customer" has asked for this. The press will hear these things but they aren't why MSFT is pulling the covers over DOS.
IMHO.
Just look at what he's published. "Fred Moody is the author of I Sing the Body Electronic: A Year with Microsoft on the Multimedia Frontier and of The Visionary Position: The Inside Story of the Digital Dreamers Who Made Virtual Reality a Reality." Sounds like he likes being a pimple on Gill Bates butt. Loser!
You obviously don't use or haven't seen a Caldera eDesktop system boot. It boots like the HP workstations boot, with a line of text describing the process and a status: "[ ok ]", "[ wait ]", or "[ fail ]" all wrapped up in a pretty GUI. HP did it in text but Caldera's would NOT scare any MS Windows user. The login screen is pretty straight forward though many ludites.... I mean Window-ites wouldn't understand what they were logining in for. IMHO
Funny though that at my July 4th party, 2 friends who recently bought computers said they paid $1500 for email and web browsing. They told me to shut up about the $99 IOpener I had showing photos of past events.....
The answer is simple. Many of these tests are just marketing efforts by one company or the other (mostly MSFT) and so the reason for the 'tests' is to attack a competitor or THE current competitor. Today that is Linux. If the Linux kernel v2.4 is really THAT good and I was MSFT (I'm not), I'd get as many 'benchmarks' out now while the 2.2 kernel is all over the place. They are going to have to keep shut or lie once the v2.4 kernel is shipping. I've seen this happen with LanServer 5 years ago and only once was someone dumb enough to compare it with MSFT and NOVELL. If I remember correctly, WarpServer out performed the other 2 with 1 CPU while the others were running 2 CPU's. It was only 'benchmarked' that one time and IBM's marketing deptartment is run be Beavis and Butthead types.
Anyway, it comes down to marketing and Linux IS the competition for the Microsoft Marketing Company....;/
So I guess it is the morons who use his companies products who are the losers? Sure glad the last dime he got from me was back in the late 1980's.... He's still a un-innovative loser in MY book.
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One thing that is always missing from the "news" of how much OSS doesn't make money is how much money corporations would save. Dah. Where did all of Microsofts billions come from? I get very few replys from article authors when I as why they didn't mention the savings corporations would make. I figure they were paid to write the ads... I mean articles.
LoB
Sorry for the late response.. I dunno if you've tried it yet, but it should work on most TPs with the mwave chipset... This would include the 760E... If you run into any problems, drop me a line... If you get it to work drop me a line also so we can add your machine to the "yes it works" column... cheers..Paul...
I haven't tried yet so I don't really know.
LoB
Broadcast 2000
LoB
This whole thing smells of proprietary MSFT tactics. I don't think La-Z-Boy came up with this at all. MSFT most likely paid them to do this and expensed it in the marketing budget. Why else would there be this requirement for WebTV?
A flip out LCD and built-in speakers would have kicked butt. Maybe I'll do that with one of my I-Openers and one of my La-Z-Boys....
They've done a damn good job of assimilating the office and now it's time to assimilate the home.
IMHO.
LoB
I believe that is why they are dumping $500,000,000 [....]
Good eye.
Lob
If their future depends on it it does.....
Microsofts future is at stake here. IMHO
I believe that is why they are dumping $500,000 into just the marketing of the XBox. They had to save the desktop from Netscape so they MADE Internet Exploder successful by preloading it.
The XBox will be marketed to the scale of Windoz 95 because they have to succeed. OS/2 was the reason for the expensive PR from 1993-1995 and PS2 is the reason for the half a billion dollar PR for XBox.
IMHO
LoB
> So, when is OpenDoc coming to Linux?
It looks like it is here.
LoB
Like monopoly controlled OS's like Windows are the future. NOT. Linux may not be the greatest OS but it is designed to be small and fast and anybody can decide how big it really gets. Windows has but one company to package it and it always choses it's designs based on protecting its monopoly.
:)
Freedom or a Dictatorship?
Like the saying goes, live free or die.
LoB
> Well, all what this is is what Windows 98/2000
> explorer already does.
>
> So are we saying that the non Windows world has
> finally catching up? And who is copying who in
> this case?!
OpenDoc did this in 1994. OS/2 had the CORBA based Desktop called WorkplaceShell which had many of these features too. That was released in 1991 if my memory is correct.
Besides, this is open and not something used just to make sure application X doesn't run on the OS.
IMHO
LoB
This is open silly. Big difference here because everyone gets to play.
:)
I'd also like to say that your Windows been-there-done-that attitude is wrong. OS/2 v2.0 used a implementation of the CORBA spec in 1991 for its WorkPlaceShell Desktop. Objects baby, all the way through. OpenDoc was going to be the ultimate OO framework for apps but WordPerfect and then Novell failed on the Windows platform. OpenDoc allowed multitasking within the container. While this doesn't seem like a big deal, those OLE controls could only have one active component at a time. How boring. OpenDoc was very cool technology and was revolutionary because it made DATA important and not the APPLICATION. Monopolies ruin.... Who except Microsoft can get any technology on Windows right out of the box anyway?
This is indeed great news and Windows still sucks. IMHO.
LoB
The fact that there exists a Solaris version smells of Microsoft leverage here. Maybe Microsoft was going to crank up fees on Adobe so they started the Linux port to beat Microsoft on the head with and then agreed to throw it away when they got a better deal from MSFT?
If it smells like sh*t, looks like sh*t, and tastes like sh*t there is a good chance Microsoft is involved. IMHO
LoB
There is a way to fix those broken Palms for less then Palm charges. I think the price is $50 for replacement screens but you have to take the unit apart. If you still have the old units around I might be willing to buy them from you.
LoB
Yes. I bought one for my mom's 70 b-day. I get email from her every couple of weeks. I've received no requests for help. Maybe Netpliance failed in the marketing and maybe AT&T will do a better job. I think Netpliance is hoping that happens. LoB
PS. My mom uses NetPliances' IOpener. :)
Locutus
It uses Compact Flash technology on a modified Palm IIIx platform. I think you can even get one of those IBM microDrives in a CF card....
I still question the CPU and Intel because of the way the rest of the article reads. I mean, it's a 1.5GHz chip and they compare it to a 800MHz one by saying it captured more frames of video? ( What is that about? ) Built for the Internet?
I don't think AMD has anything to worry about here.
IMHO
Locutus
I'm thinking that this is a hack to fool the public into thinking they have won back the performance crown. Just the size of the die is enough to indicate this chip will be very illusive.
Intel has a habit now of announcing products which they can't produce in quantities sufficient to keep AMD off their backs. Too bad the market makers are unwilling to show any indication Intel is faltering but when such a large percentage of their business is CPU's they are doing their clients an injustice. Not looking at something doesn't mean it isn't there.
I guess the benchmarks will tell the story....
Locutus
Let's see what happens to Microsofts business model as Linux takes China, Asia, then Europe, etc.....Wait, didn't Bill G say something like this in a email about cutting Netscapes income out by giving away and paying people to use Microsoft Internet Explorer?
What comes around goes around.
Locutus
When MSFT moved to Windows 95 they removed some of the DOS features. I'll bet this was to 'help' DOS developers move to Windows 95 API's. This move is more of the same and has nothing to do with stablility or customer requirements. This sounds more like Bill G's requirement. Prevent competition before you have to actually compete...
IMHO
I think there is a more sinister reason. This IS Microsoft after all. Could this have to do with gaming? Time to force EVERYONE to write games to Windows API's and then in 3 years when xbox ships all the Windows games vendors can port easily to the platform. Or MSFT will list all game vendors for the PC as building for xbox because they were sent free (non-functional) SDKs since they all now have to license MSFT's software to write games? MSFT can now track the competitions product sales and use xbox "upgrades" to keep ahead of the others. After all, a PC turned into a game console is not a PC so the courts can't touch it.....
Sorry, there is a reason for this and it isn't because MSFT wants to build a better product or that "the customer" has asked for this. The press will hear these things but they aren't why MSFT is pulling the covers over DOS.
IMHO.
Any other ideas?
Just look at what he's published. "Fred Moody is the author of I Sing the Body Electronic: A Year with Microsoft on the Multimedia Frontier and of The Visionary Position: The Inside Story of the Digital Dreamers Who Made Virtual Reality a Reality." Sounds like he likes being a pimple on Gill Bates butt. Loser!
You obviously don't use or haven't seen a Caldera eDesktop system boot. It boots like the HP workstations boot, with a line of text describing the process and a status:
"[ ok ]", "[ wait ]", or "[ fail ]"
all wrapped up in a pretty GUI. HP did it in text but Caldera's would NOT scare any MS Windows user.
The login screen is pretty straight forward though many ludites.... I mean Window-ites wouldn't understand what they were logining in for.
IMHO
Funny though that at my July 4th party, 2 friends who recently bought computers said they paid $1500 for email and web browsing. They told me to shut up about the $99 IOpener I had showing photos of past events.....
The answer is simple. Many of these tests are just marketing efforts by one company or the other (mostly MSFT) and so the reason for the 'tests' is to attack a competitor or THE current competitor. Today that is Linux. If the Linux kernel v2.4 is really THAT good and I was MSFT (I'm not), I'd get as many 'benchmarks' out now while the 2.2 kernel is all over the place. They are going to have to keep shut or lie once the v2.4 kernel is shipping. I've seen this happen with LanServer 5 years ago and only once was someone dumb enough to compare it with MSFT and NOVELL. If I remember correctly, WarpServer out performed the other 2 with 1 CPU while the others were running 2 CPU's. It was only 'benchmarked' that one time and IBM's marketing deptartment is run be Beavis and Butthead types.
;/
Anyway, it comes down to marketing and Linux IS the competition for the Microsoft Marketing Company....
IMHO
So I guess it is the morons who use his companies products who are the losers? Sure glad the last dime he got from me was back in the late 1980's.... He's still a un-innovative loser in MY book.