That would be good but given the topic of this thread, don't you get the impression Windows Phone 7 is being rushed to market? Or is it being so strict and locked down that the OEM's are not expected to so much customizing? Releasing the SDK just 2 weeks before supposed release as not time enough for developers to get apps rebuilt and tested before publishing.
Sounds like Mr Ballmer is really cracking the whip to hit target ship dates. That's never worked out very well for Microsoft nor their customers. With Windows, they have the lock-in to keep customers coming back time and time again but with the phone market, they have no such lock. To make it worst for them, they have almost no market share at all and they have three very strong products( iOS, Android, and BB OS 6) to go up against.
They will have to provide massive marketing dollars to get their phones on the market and even then, unless the competitions phones are pulled from the shelves, customer choice will decide and Microsoft has nothing I've seen which can win the hearts and minds of customers. Rushing a product to market is a sure bet for failure given the market they are entering. IMO
Steve teaches a great class on anger management and it revolves around releasing energy by directing it at physical object. Mostly office furniture. But I do love it when highly paid Microsoft executives start spouting off about open source. They are always wrong and it just lends credibility to that which they are all pissed off about.
More Apple, Linux, and open source bashing please. Thank you sir, may I have another?
yes and they still picked Windows so how well did that work out for them? They tried to play by Microsoft's rules and be legal but they still got bashed and slapped around with legal docs and such. This was all because they were still using Microsoft software and Microsoft helped bitch-slap them.
Again, they should have used free software and they would not have been in this mess. And do you really think they absolutely have to run Windows? They can pick it but watch the back of your head, cause it's still gonna good chance of getting slapped.
This has always been how Microsoft wins, there press + dog try to look how they are like Windows and in reality, you not only end up never hitting it but always end up with nothing new or better. Why do you think Apple is doing so well these days? Is it because they tried to do everything like Microsoft does it? No. What if the iPhone were a copy of Windows Mobile, do you think it be as popular as it is today? No. Yet over and over these people keep comparing Linux distros on personal computers to how well they mimic Windows. Advances come from being different, not from being the same.
And the article mentions how Linux initially won on the netbooks but what was not mentioned was how Microsoft took an old and retired version of Windows( XP ), licensed it for less than $20 per device and included big marketing deals along with the licensing deals which probably ended up with the netbook manufacturers with guaranteed profits. And even then, Linux makes up 30% of all netbook sales. Using the netbook history to bolster the love for Windows is a FAIL in my book.
it sounds like it has nothing to do with being _on_ your private plane and it is all about how you get _to_ your plane. The airport did not have a special area for boarding private planes and passenger inspection, therefore Jobs had to go through the same screening areas as all other fights and there in lies the rub, as they say. He probably could have had checked it all and once he got to his plane, had the bags brought inside. He goofed and supposedly got made. He probably flies quite a bit and probably should have known this already.
when the FSF starts going after companies like the BSA goes after companies regarding Microsoft software, then that'll need to be managed. Until then, it's all about Microsoft software licenses baby and showing you are NOT running Microsoft software will shut out the BSA.
And I don't think the FSF or anyone else for that matter is going to force you to prove all your OSS licenses are being used properly. After all, most all of them allow you to use and modify for internal use without issue.
I was talking about any of the orgs who were trying to be 100% compliant with Microsoft licenses yet still ended up on the receiving end of a big stick. Yes they can use what they want and what they "wanted" in this case got them in exactly the mess we're( some of us ) are talking about.
they should be using free software and with all the hoopla, there would be a big move to free software. Microsoft's move is not only gets them out of the publicity mess building but also curbs a very public discussion of moving off Microsoft software and onto free software. Well played Microsoft, well played.
when Google starts putting out products which they must pay companies to use or else they would fail in the open market, only then does Google _begin_ to act like Microsoft. Windows CE is a prime example of this since Android is the topic. And know that Microsoft had to sign money losing marketing deals with netbook makers to get them to boost netbook hardware along with purchasing licenses for Windows XP. Steve Ballmer said that was a mistake after that program cost Microsoft millions of dollars but won it 2/3 of the netbook OS market. From what I've seen of Android, it is a very functional and usable platform.
And let's not forget when Microsoft also paid vendors to not show or talk about anything but Windows Mobile 6.5 in the year Android first hit the market. Even though many of these companies were going to have an Android phone on the market months before the lack luster Windows Mobile 6.5 phones. When Google starts pulling these kinds of marketing stunts, then and only then can you even start to consider them the "new Microsoft". IMO
I've heard of many US school systems being forced to pay for expensive audits without any proof of wrong doing and that the Microsoft license agreement they and everyone else has to accept to use Windows allows this. So it does not matter how careful you are to make sure you are legal, Microsoft and a pal( the government ) can use this and be 100% legal since you agreed to it when you said OK to the license.
As for the US schools, Microsoft only stopped doing that once a few of them threw away all their Microsoft software and went with GNU/Linux and open source software and then started spreading the word how much money they were saving doing that. Word was spreading, or was it fear, of what Microsoft was doing so lots of education systems were getting interested in GNU/Linux until Microsoft agreed to stop the audits.
but since then, schools completely dropped the ball on teaching 10 finger touch typing. Tactile response is only important when you're looking at fast, efficient, and correct typing and that is not what seems to be important any more. I had to shake my head when I read how Google's new live search was supposed to increase effectiveness because of how many milliseconds people take on the search line. They completely left out the fact that most people today have to look at the keyboard( virtual or real ) to type.
this is their last chance to imagine they have any hope of winning, let them have their fun. These are mostly going to be the developers so their job is supposedly considered done. Now the marketing and partnership departments start really spending the money getting vendors to make and ship phones with the OS on it. So they all have about 1 month left before reality starts to sink in and they realize they are too little, too late to this smartphone party which has been going on now for 3 or so years.
Maybe that 5 year deal with Microsoft for parking new websites on Windows IIS servers is ending so they don't know where to make profits this time. I would not leave out the option of Microsoft buying them just to keep Windows IIS marketshare numbers up and to possibly grow them.
If you don't know, Microsoft was paying GoDaddy to place parked web domains on Microsoft IIS based servers so that netcraft and other web server counting systems looked more favorable for Microsoft's web server( IIS ). Prior to that business deal, GoDaddy was parking domains on GNU/Linux apache based servers.
yes but it is also known that adjuvants boost the immune system and in some cases it triggers the persons immune system to attack the host. Because this isn't new it is probably why/how they won the case. I think Gulf War Syndrome has been linked to generally untested adjuvants triggering immune systems to attack parts of the soldiers nervous system.
It is this, Russian roulette method of vaccinating people that's a concern for many, including myself. At the very least, people should be given more data on the vaccine and any costs associated with possible tests for any known issues which could be aggravated by the adjuvants. From what I remember, the N1H1 adjuvants were generally untested here in the US and people were concerned.
the article didn't state how long he was at Microsoft but I found that it was less than 3 years so he might not be _that_ infected. His _success_ at Microsoft is still of dubious value IMO.
only thing is, I've seen and talked to a few Microsoft shop techies about various software solutions and have constantly been shut down with the phrase, "we're a Microsoft shop" even though Microsoft didn't have a solution. When Microsoft finally did pull something together, they ate it up quickly. So given that, and the fact that it shows how Microsoft's market position is solely responsible for many server side sales, this guys track record does not apply outside of Microsoft. Nokia does not have that kind of lock-in and position in the mobile phone segment to win customers.
So he's really unproven in the market Nokia is in and with a company minus the market power and control Microsoft has and he had. We shall see how quickly Microsoft Windows 7 starts showing up on Nokia phones, how quickly Android and MeeGo get dropped and how quickly Nokia fades away, or not. He might show his colors quickly and I'll be keeping an eye on them that's for sure.
true but from what I've seen, the Microsoft koolaid infects quite successfully. He's also been able to leverage all the Microsoft shops who look for products from Microsoft instead of looking at what is already on the market so in many cases, it just means putting something which kinda works in front of them and they purchase it. Yes, I've seen this. So while he might have been head of part of Microsoft's server software division, have a monopoly and leveraging that monopoly for success is not even close to competing in the open market.
And just because he is the CEO and not the chief engineer, he runs the show and has the voice of the Board of Directors and management. And who's to say he's not going to start replacing many of the existing staff with his own? That is what often happens.
IMO, this guys is untested in a real market and given where he came from, he's a threat to the future of Nokia. Had he been outside of Microsoft for a couple of years more could be known of his ability to lead an independent company but that's now what we have here.
Probably because many in management in the tech sector are so far removed from reality they miss what's going on. They probably think that Microsoft has its market position in the desktop OS sector because they make really good software and do it better, faster, and cheaper than the competition. It says so in all the management rags so it must be true.
What they will learn is that without billions of dollars backing him up so he can spend hundreds of millions on marketing, , Stephen Elop has less than a 50% chance of growing Nokia and is more likely going to destroy it. Getting the guy directly from Microsoft doesn't even give them a chance to know how much of the MS koolaid he's been drinking and since Nokia does not use much Microsoft software on their devices, he could very well hand Microsoft a huge vendor and destroy Nokia at the same time. And hasn't Nokia been looking at getting into the tablet space also?
exactly. Receiving homework assistance and entering your assignments without picking up a pen teaches nothing so they should not improve any skills there. Maybe adding some extra tutorial materials in videos might help but from what I remember, it was doing the work which made it stick. So it's all about the curriculum and how it's taught and not so much the device. The device, or any laptop, netbook, or table could save the school and students lots of money by using electronic course materials instead of paper books.
The problem I see is that almost all of the teachers I've seen around or heard of and the recent students I'm in contact with all show they know very very little about how to really use a computer. They know only how to click on a few things and if you change an icon or move something, they are lost. That lack of skill with the device at the educator level is why nothing changes and I doubt this iPad math class is going to be successful.
" Our key technical insight was that people type slowly, but read quickly, typically taking 300 milliseconds between keystrokes, but only 30 milliseconds (a tenth of the time!) to glance at another part of the page"
ya but...those numbers are useless when so many don't know how to type without looking at the keyboard. Teaching ten finger typing skills are still elected teachings at most US schools. So while it might be great for the few skilled at typing, the vast majority of people are probably going to hate it. Oh, and those who hate it will be the ones who'll just love Microsoft and their marketing... I mean linkless Bing search and it's pretty pictures.
they also have a multi-billion dollar monopoly spending billions and using their classic dirty tricks to try and kill Google. So, todays Google can't be the same Google as yesterdays. Because Microsoft does not rest until it has at least won some control of the competitors market and Microsoft is not going away anytime soon, we will continue to see Google running around trying to change things and keep the pot stirred.
Remember, Microsoft has marketing telling people that search links are bad( "those LINKS!" ) and guess what, people aren't too smart so they believe that marketing. Didn't you know that pretty background pictures on your search pages were more important than the links related to your search?
"modern Google", I just hope they don't do what many companies in Microsoft's cross-hairs have done and that's start stepping on their own toes trying to out maneuver Microsoft's inferior product but superior marketing.
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That would be good but given the topic of this thread, don't you get the impression Windows Phone 7 is being rushed to market? Or is it being so strict and locked down that the OEM's are not expected to so much customizing? Releasing the SDK just 2 weeks before supposed release as not time enough for developers to get apps rebuilt and tested before publishing.
Sounds like Mr Ballmer is really cracking the whip to hit target ship dates. That's never worked out very well for Microsoft nor their customers. With Windows, they have the lock-in to keep customers coming back time and time again but with the phone market, they have no such lock. To make it worst for them, they have almost no market share at all and they have three very strong products( iOS, Android, and BB OS 6) to go up against.
They will have to provide massive marketing dollars to get their phones on the market and even then, unless the competitions phones are pulled from the shelves, customer choice will decide and Microsoft has nothing I've seen which can win the hearts and minds of customers. Rushing a product to market is a sure bet for failure given the market they are entering. IMO
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Steve teaches a great class on anger management and it revolves around releasing energy by directing it at physical object. Mostly office furniture. But I do love it when highly paid Microsoft executives start spouting off about open source. They are always wrong and it just lends credibility to that which they are all pissed off about.
More Apple, Linux, and open source bashing please. Thank you sir, may I have another?
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yes and they still picked Windows so how well did that work out for them? They tried to play by Microsoft's rules and be legal but they still got bashed and slapped around with legal docs and such. This was all because they were still using Microsoft software and Microsoft helped bitch-slap them.
Again, they should have used free software and they would not have been in this mess. And do you really think they absolutely have to run Windows? They can pick it but watch the back of your head, cause it's still gonna good chance of getting slapped.
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This has always been how Microsoft wins, there press + dog try to look how they are like Windows and in reality, you not only end up never hitting it but always end up with nothing new or better. Why do you think Apple is doing so well these days? Is it because they tried to do everything like Microsoft does it? No. What if the iPhone were a copy of Windows Mobile, do you think it be as popular as it is today? No. Yet over and over these people keep comparing Linux distros on personal computers to how well they mimic Windows. Advances come from being different, not from being the same.
And the article mentions how Linux initially won on the netbooks but what was not mentioned was how Microsoft took an old and retired version of Windows( XP ), licensed it for less than $20 per device and included big marketing deals along with the licensing deals which probably ended up with the netbook manufacturers with guaranteed profits. And even then, Linux makes up 30% of all netbook sales. Using the netbook history to bolster the love for Windows is a FAIL in my book.
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that is why the iPhone never took off, it didn't run Microsoft software. Oh, and it has no software of its own and no games either.
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it sounds like it has nothing to do with being _on_ your private plane and it is all about how you get _to_ your plane. The airport did not have a special area for boarding private planes and passenger inspection, therefore Jobs had to go through the same screening areas as all other fights and there in lies the rub, as they say. He probably could have had checked it all and once he got to his plane, had the bags brought inside. He goofed and supposedly got made. He probably flies quite a bit and probably should have known this already.
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when the FSF starts going after companies like the BSA goes after companies regarding Microsoft software, then that'll need to be managed. Until then, it's all about Microsoft software licenses baby and showing you are NOT running Microsoft software will shut out the BSA.
And I don't think the FSF or anyone else for that matter is going to force you to prove all your OSS licenses are being used properly. After all, most all of them allow you to use and modify for internal use without issue.
LoB
I was talking about any of the orgs who were trying to be 100% compliant with Microsoft licenses yet still ended up on the receiving end of a big stick. Yes they can use what they want and what they "wanted" in this case got them in exactly the mess we're( some of us ) are talking about.
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they should be using free software and with all the hoopla, there would be a big move to free software. Microsoft's move is not only gets them out of the publicity mess building but also curbs a very public discussion of moving off Microsoft software and onto free software. Well played Microsoft, well played.
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Don't laugh, that really is Microsoft's version of "Cross-platform", running on different versions of Windows.
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when Google starts putting out products which they must pay companies to use or else they would fail in the open market, only then does Google _begin_ to act like Microsoft. Windows CE is a prime example of this since Android is the topic. And know that Microsoft had to sign money losing marketing deals with netbook makers to get them to boost netbook hardware along with purchasing licenses for Windows XP. Steve Ballmer said that was a mistake after that program cost Microsoft millions of dollars but won it 2/3 of the netbook OS market. From what I've seen of Android, it is a very functional and usable platform.
And let's not forget when Microsoft also paid vendors to not show or talk about anything but Windows Mobile 6.5 in the year Android first hit the market. Even though many of these companies were going to have an Android phone on the market months before the lack luster Windows Mobile 6.5 phones. When Google starts pulling these kinds of marketing stunts, then and only then can you even start to consider them the "new Microsoft". IMO
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and from there use the search field to search for the story. Something like Microsoft and Russia should work.
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I've heard of many US school systems being forced to pay for expensive audits without any proof of wrong doing and that the Microsoft license agreement they and everyone else has to accept to use Windows allows this. So it does not matter how careful you are to make sure you are legal, Microsoft and a pal( the government ) can use this and be 100% legal since you agreed to it when you said OK to the license.
As for the US schools, Microsoft only stopped doing that once a few of them threw away all their Microsoft software and went with GNU/Linux and open source software and then started spreading the word how much money they were saving doing that. Word was spreading, or was it fear, of what Microsoft was doing so lots of education systems were getting interested in GNU/Linux until Microsoft agreed to stop the audits.
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but since then, schools completely dropped the ball on teaching 10 finger touch typing. Tactile response is only important when you're looking at fast, efficient, and correct typing and that is not what seems to be important any more. I had to shake my head when I read how Google's new live search was supposed to increase effectiveness because of how many milliseconds people take on the search line. They completely left out the fact that most people today have to look at the keyboard( virtual or real ) to type.
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this is their last chance to imagine they have any hope of winning, let them have their fun. These are mostly going to be the developers so their job is supposedly considered done. Now the marketing and partnership departments start really spending the money getting vendors to make and ship phones with the OS on it. So they all have about 1 month left before reality starts to sink in and they realize they are too little, too late to this smartphone party which has been going on now for 3 or so years.
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Interesting, so....
Maybe that 5 year deal with Microsoft for parking new websites on Windows IIS servers is ending so they don't know where to make profits this time. I would not leave out the option of Microsoft buying them just to keep Windows IIS marketshare numbers up and to possibly grow them.
If you don't know, Microsoft was paying GoDaddy to place parked web domains on Microsoft IIS based servers so that netcraft and other web server counting systems looked more favorable for Microsoft's web server( IIS ). Prior to that business deal, GoDaddy was parking domains on GNU/Linux apache based servers.
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yes but it is also known that adjuvants boost the immune system and in some cases it triggers the persons immune system to attack the host. Because this isn't new it is probably why/how they won the case. I think Gulf War Syndrome has been linked to generally untested adjuvants triggering immune systems to attack parts of the soldiers nervous system.
It is this, Russian roulette method of vaccinating people that's a concern for many, including myself. At the very least, people should be given more data on the vaccine and any costs associated with possible tests for any known issues which could be aggravated by the adjuvants. From what I remember, the N1H1 adjuvants were generally untested here in the US and people were concerned.
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the article didn't state how long he was at Microsoft but I found that it was less than 3 years so he might not be _that_ infected. His _success_ at Microsoft is still of dubious value IMO.
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only thing is, I've seen and talked to a few Microsoft shop techies about various software solutions and have constantly been shut down with the phrase, "we're a Microsoft shop" even though Microsoft didn't have a solution. When Microsoft finally did pull something together, they ate it up quickly. So given that, and the fact that it shows how Microsoft's market position is solely responsible for many server side sales, this guys track record does not apply outside of Microsoft. Nokia does not have that kind of lock-in and position in the mobile phone segment to win customers.
So he's really unproven in the market Nokia is in and with a company minus the market power and control Microsoft has and he had. We shall see how quickly Microsoft Windows 7 starts showing up on Nokia phones, how quickly Android and MeeGo get dropped and how quickly Nokia fades away, or not. He might show his colors quickly and I'll be keeping an eye on them that's for sure.
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true but from what I've seen, the Microsoft koolaid infects quite successfully. He's also been able to leverage all the Microsoft shops who look for products from Microsoft instead of looking at what is already on the market so in many cases, it just means putting something which kinda works in front of them and they purchase it. Yes, I've seen this. So while he might have been head of part of Microsoft's server software division, have a monopoly and leveraging that monopoly for success is not even close to competing in the open market.
And just because he is the CEO and not the chief engineer, he runs the show and has the voice of the Board of Directors and management. And who's to say he's not going to start replacing many of the existing staff with his own? That is what often happens.
IMO, this guys is untested in a real market and given where he came from, he's a threat to the future of Nokia. Had he been outside of Microsoft for a couple of years more could be known of his ability to lead an independent company but that's now what we have here.
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Probably because many in management in the tech sector are so far removed from reality they miss what's going on. They probably think that Microsoft has its market position in the desktop OS sector because they make really good software and do it better, faster, and cheaper than the competition. It says so in all the management rags so it must be true.
What they will learn is that without billions of dollars backing him up so he can spend hundreds of millions on marketing, , Stephen Elop has less than a 50% chance of growing Nokia and is more likely going to destroy it. Getting the guy directly from Microsoft doesn't even give them a chance to know how much of the MS koolaid he's been drinking and since Nokia does not use much Microsoft software on their devices, he could very well hand Microsoft a huge vendor and destroy Nokia at the same time. And hasn't Nokia been looking at getting into the tablet space also?
Bad move Nokia Board of Directors, bad move.
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The DHS was Bush's jobs program. I thought it should have been called the "New Central Central Intelligence Agency".
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exactly. Receiving homework assistance and entering your assignments without picking up a pen teaches nothing so they should not improve any skills there. Maybe adding some extra tutorial materials in videos might help but from what I remember, it was doing the work which made it stick. So it's all about the curriculum and how it's taught and not so much the device. The device, or any laptop, netbook, or table could save the school and students lots of money by using electronic course materials instead of paper books.
The problem I see is that almost all of the teachers I've seen around or heard of and the recent students I'm in contact with all show they know very very little about how to really use a computer. They know only how to click on a few things and if you change an icon or move something, they are lost. That lack of skill with the device at the educator level is why nothing changes and I doubt this iPad math class is going to be successful.
LoB
" Our key technical insight was that people type slowly, but read quickly, typically taking 300 milliseconds between keystrokes, but only 30 milliseconds (a tenth of the time!) to glance at another part of the page"
ya but...those numbers are useless when so many don't know how to type without looking at the keyboard. Teaching ten finger typing skills are still elected teachings at most US schools. So while it might be great for the few skilled at typing, the vast majority of people are probably going to hate it. Oh, and those who hate it will be the ones who'll just love Microsoft and their marketing... I mean linkless Bing search and it's pretty pictures.
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they also have a multi-billion dollar monopoly spending billions and using their classic dirty tricks to try and kill Google. So, todays Google can't be the same Google as yesterdays. Because Microsoft does not rest until it has at least won some control of the competitors market and Microsoft is not going away anytime soon, we will continue to see Google running around trying to change things and keep the pot stirred.
Remember, Microsoft has marketing telling people that search links are bad( "those LINKS!" ) and guess what, people aren't too smart so they believe that marketing. Didn't you know that pretty background pictures on your search pages were more important than the links related to your search?
"modern Google", I just hope they don't do what many companies in Microsoft's cross-hairs have done and that's start stepping on their own toes trying to out maneuver Microsoft's inferior product but superior marketing.
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