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Nokia Names Microsoft's Elop As New CEO

itwbennett writes "Nokia has tapped Stephen Elop, former president of Microsoft's business software group, to become its new CEO effective Sept. 21. Elop will replace Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo, who loses his board seat immediately and will step down from the CEO position on Sept. 20. Microsoft said Elop will leave immediately, but the company doesn't seem to be rushing to fill the vacancy at the top of one of its largest divisions. 'I am writing to let you know that Stephen Elop has been offered and has accepted the job as CEO of Nokia and will be leaving Microsoft, effective immediately,' Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer wrote in a letter to employees late Thursday."

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  1. Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by rwa2 · · Score: 1

    The only reason I just bought an Android phone instead of an N900 was for Google Maps Mobile :-/ Things could have been so different...

    1. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      relevance?

    2. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by Keruo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The only reason I just bought an Android phone instead of an N900

      NITDroid(Android 2.2) runs on N900 just fine, if you don't like the Nokia software, switch.
      Thats why N900 is superior platform, it gives YOU the ability to choose the OS yourself instead telling what you can and can't do with the hardware.

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    3. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I bought a e52 because it had a bunch of things that I wanted and hey, symbian is open source now too, right?

      Well, in a word, disappointment. Serial disappointment. It's not the surface of the interface, it's not qt or lack thereof, it's complete cluelessness in functionality. Every single feature disappoints in some way, down to the calendar and the timer -- both of which are far inferior to the very same thing in my 2001 vintage 6310. The only thing you might run the "open sourced" symbian on within the foreseeable future is beagle boards. Nothing wrong with beagle boards, but I wouldn't run symbian on them. I want to fix my damned phone, but that part isn't open.

      It really is impressive just how much nokia failed to "get". It's like they're dead set on finding irrelevance from within heaps and heaps of potential.

    4. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      relevance?

      Article is about Nokia >> N900 is a Nokia phone >> original poster probably wishes nokia went droid hardcore. Nokia makes great hardware. Some people find the software lacking.

      But on the other hand, lots of people love the N900 software, given it's nix. So I guess his choice to not pick a n900 is a bit bizarre. I never knew that gps was such a killer app on a phone.

    5. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you do know that there's a work around...

      http://noknok.tv/2010/01/18/get-google-maps-on-your-nokia-n900/

      "N900, yes, it runs linux"

    6. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Relevance of all that?

    7. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

      Every single feature disappoints in some way, down to the calendar and the timer

      And yet, no specifics. Y'know I'm disappointed there isn't a Santa Claus handing out presents in the office here, but y'know, reality sucks sometimes.

       

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    8. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by odies · · Score: 0, Interesting

      Because Nokia is still the largest player in the mobile industry - by a huge margin - since they make just normal phones too. But they also have a big catalog of different phones for different needs, like the N900 which technical persons and linux users must love. They might not be so relevant in the US, but they have huge marketshare in Europe and Asia. The latter one is where people don't usually have smartphones but just normal phones. However, Elop has said his main job now is to help Nokia target US markets better. That is why it also makes sense to hire an American CEO who has been long time in the technology industry.

      Now, what Nokia actually needs is to get the usability and things like app store and such correct for their smartphone line. There haven't been any improvement on those things with Nokia phones for years and iPhone, Android and the upcoming Windows Mobile 7 have got it a lot more right. Even tho I've used Nokia phones since I was a kid, I wouldn't consider their smartphones now. That is what Nokia needs to work on.

    9. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a slashdot post, not an in-depth product review.

      And unlike your post, it contained some information.

    10. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

      unspecific whining is not information.

      hth.

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    11. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by neurally_hyperactive · · Score: 1

      The only reason I just bought an Android phone instead of an N900 was for Google Maps Mobile :-/ Things could have been so different...

      Nokia have bought NAVTEQ about 2-3 years ago and offer OVI maps (their own version) for free to most of their smartphones. I have been using the OVI maps on my Nokia 5800 it has been pretty useful. as others have pointed out, N900 has a superior platform. however, Nokia is really lagging in their OS itself. they have just released a new Symbian 3 OS with N8 and Maemo OS with N900 and now they are working with Intel to develop another OS called MeeGo albeit, it is based on Maemo. I wish Nokia will get their act right and stick with one OS. there hardware has been always good if not great.

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    12. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      Word up... I'd much rather Nokia improve their US market penetration by emulating Google (or possibly even Apple, ech) than Microsoft. Merging Maemo and Moblin probably was already a good start.

      But really, for me, GMM was simply one of those killer apps that really changed my quality of life, and the only thing I missed from my old blackberry that I had for work years ago. Didn't look like Ovi maps would be able to match the functionality and the user community (pics & reviews for nearby restaurants and attractions, etc.).

      Hopefully with Moblin they'll survive as a pocketable computer manufacturer even if they don't "make it" as a smartphone manufacturer. Android still has a ways to go before I even stop carrying around my Palm TX :P But at least it has a decent SSH and VNC client so I can use it to get to a real computer when I need to.

    13. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by toastar · · Score: 1

      Relevance of all that?

      Relevance of your inquiry?

    14. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Um, no. NITdroid does not let you make phone calls, and it does not support power management.

    15. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the relevance of inquiries?

    16. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by DarenN · · Score: 1

      With the N900 you've got OVI maps, which are just as good, or sometimes better, than google maps. It also has routefinding, and turn-by turn navigation, and works very well anytime I've had to use it.

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    17. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Holier-than-thou declaring that the mere mention of "letdown" as the main user experience isn't enough for your taste is even less useful. hth.

      Still and all, because you asked oh-so-nicely, some tidbits:

      - 6310 has a "timer" feature. Not so the e52. Best you can do is set an alarm for a certain time in the future. After setting it'll "helpfully" remind you that it'll go off in N minutes. N being one less than expected based on simple time calculation. Look, that thing has enough cpu power to calculate that sort of thing for me, why can't I put in "now + N minutes" right away?

      - 6310's calendar has a "call somebody" entry type. Not so the e52. It has lots of ways to specify the location, but no way to simply say "I want to call that person, that number, then, that time" All the extra fields that it does add loses me the most-used option. Not useful.

      And as a bonus:

      I used to store SMS messages on the SIM. The e52 simply doesn't let me do that. It won't even show the messages already on the SIM except for the first few characters. There's no way to show the entire message short of taking the SIM out and putting it back in the 6310. Maybe if I moved them off the SIM to the phone first, but that'd mean they get stuck on the e52 and can't be put back on the SIM. GIven that this is the fourth or fifth phone that's held this SIM, that's simply not acceptable.

      There's many more where that came from, like how VoIP 3.0 breaks compatability with just about every SIP provider Out There, the GPS unit is near-deaf and doesn't even show what it's up to, the USB cable isn't usable to recharge the thing if it's too exhausted to pick up the USB before shutting itself off again but not too exhausted to show a nicely lighted start-up animation, and so on, but this should be illustration enough to satisfy your bitching.

    18. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Yeah:

      Step-by-step guide for the people over at Nokia not getting it:
      1) So you bought Symbian, too bad, take a loss and get rid of it.
      2) So you bought Navteq, too bad, you don't need it longer.
      3) Don't give people a fucking phone with a new OS and leave them alone!
      4) Throw out phones with Android instead of keep on working on Symbian
      5) Profit!

      If they really want to risk it:
      6) Develop and release Meego. Confuse everyone with the release. Try to beat Android.
      7) ???

      If they really need it for low-end phones:
      8) Then maybe it's ok to develop Symbian, doubt it was worth buying though ...

      Kinda late now. If it where Nokia who had Android phones instead of HTC they would not only have sold the most units.

    19. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought a e52 because it had a bunch of things that I wanted and hey, symbian is open source now too, right?

      Well, in a word, disappointment. Serial disappointment. It's not the surface of the interface, it's not qt or lack thereof, it's complete cluelessness in functionality. Every single feature disappoints in some way, down to the calendar and the timer -- both of which are far inferior to the very same thing in my 2001 vintage 6310. The only thing you might run the "open sourced" symbian on within the foreseeable future is beagle boards. Nothing wrong with beagle boards, but I wouldn't run symbian on them. I want to fix my damned phone, but that part isn't open.

      It really is impressive just how much nokia failed to "get". It's like they're dead set on finding irrelevance from within heaps and heaps of potential.

      How is this relevant? N900 doesn't run on Symbian.

    20. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      If your choice was because of GPS navigation, you managed to fail in an epic fashion. Nokia has Ovi maps which are essentially navteq's maps. They're above and beyond google maps on application and actual maps level, both in usability and accuracy.

      Not to even mention actual, real fully functional offline navigation.

      All in all, your post shows the reality of nokia's problem in US. They have a great product, often superior to competition, and yet the marketing is so bad that most people don't know that, and end up buying worse choice for their requirements because of it.

    21. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, do you think he's going to try and make all Nokia phones run Vista? Because somewhere, if you reverse up this via dolorosa of non sequiturs posted by fucktards like you there was a wish about Nokia adopting Android.

      He used to run a fast food company. Do you think he's going to start messing about with the menus in the canteen? If you're consistent in your stupidity the answer must be yes.

    22. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I have N97 mini and the standalone GPS works once out of 100 attempts. The only reason for having it were offline Ovi Maps, now what?

      N900 is the best phone I've ever had, running xterm and compiling with gcc on the phone was marvelous!
      However, Ovi Maps is really bad there and the dance with Maemo/Meego was just plain stupid. Announcing that your flagship device is already obsolete as Maemo is canned while not having any comparable replacement is a sheer stupidity. UI would also use some improvements.

    23. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ovi maps are available offline. I've got an HTC Magic, but I'm getting a MeeGo device for my next phone.

    24. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by flex941 · · Score: 1

      No specifics needed. E52 is a CRAP phone. Simply. It's SO crap that I really don't want to know anything about NOKIA for some coming years.

      Last time I decided that about another phone and company (Ericsson) was many years ago and guess what .. how much money they've gotten
      from me since then. Zip. Zero. Although that may change now. Gonna evaluate different phones from Sony-Ericsson, Samsung, HTC soon...

      But no NOKIA. They shouldn't fuck their customers with phone that expensive.

    25. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      I guess his choice to not pick a n900 is a bit bizarre. I never knew that gps was such a killer app on a phone.

      Especially considering that you have strictly more mapping programs for n900 than for Android. Why? You can use Google Maps (install maemo-geolocation then for extra functionalities perhaps other extensions), then you have additional programs at hand. The one that offers the best native support is probably Mappero (formerly Maemo Mapper) that can use Open Street Map (default, sucks in Poland), Google Maps, Virtual Earth, Yahoo Maps, Yandex (Russia) and "topomaps" (Finland).

      Nokia's Ovi maps do suck goat balls, just like anything that comes within a hundred miles from Ovi. The only thing it has good is its satelite view which has my garage 20px big and my tree 10px (at the best non-scaled zoom) while Google Sat shows the whole town as a dirty blotch.

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    26. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's completely the point. The previous Nokia CEO (Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo - OPK) clearly and openly didn't give a toss about quality for customers. The N900 operating syste is in all ways except finishing polish better than the competition, but it's still a worse phone for Nokia.

      That you can download a better application for the phone doesn't sell it. People in the shop only see the application that they buy.

      The phone discharges every night, not because it's got a bad battery, but because one single desktop process is needlessly running. This is a known bug; should be a desperately quick fix but clearly there aren't enough people allocated to fixing this stuff.

      Nokia allows it's good software engineers to piss around with Symbian whilst the companies only serious hope doesn't get enough resources to do basic finishing on their released products.

      The above are all things which could have been fixed with two months of work outside companies which would have had no influence on any other product development schedules.

      Apple provides software releases which work on most previous Iphone models, thus keeping their customers feeling worthwhile. Again, outside companies could have been asked to work on the N700, N800 and so on, but clearly OPK chose not to give money to this.

      OPK completely forgot that a technical company has to worry most about keeping it's technical people good, focused and looked after. This is why he should and is being changed.

    27. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this nitpicking is why you're calling the phone a letdown? If you applied the same meter of judgement to the average taiwanese Android phone, you would toss it out of the window after a week of usage. See if it allows you to store your SMSes on the SIM - until version 2.0 it wouldn't even allow you to sort your contacts by surname (in fact, the phonebook it did not have a "surname" field at all).

    28. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by rtfa-troll · · Score: 1

      Bullshit; or rather "I assume you are extrapolating from your experience on a Nokia symbian phone and have never actually tried using OVI maps on an N900".

      Nokia was so determined to make the N900 fail that they didn't port the whole OVI map experience; despite the fact that this is a separate application so there could be no possible way that dumping programmers into it could slow down the main Maemo development. The Symbian version of OVI maps does all you say. The N900 version a) can't talk; b) doesn't even do real graphical turn by turn c) can't mark waypoints d) doesn't remember recent routes you did e) is a complete fail if you lose network connection during your travel.

      Having said that; I suggest you try the following on a Symbian OVI maps. a) go abroad b) find a wifi point; load a map and plan a route d) disconnect from the internet 'cos you can't afford to pay for the cost of roaming internet. You will soon find that OVI maps is nothing like as good as Google maps. Even Google maps running on an N900 which is pretty much fine apart from the lack of live location.

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    29. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by rtfa-troll · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with the N900 is the same as the E52. It's a rush job which didn't get finished. In both cases; bug reports have almost certainly been sitting in the bug database, a list of functions is known to be missing, but the phone gets released anyway because the CEO has promised a series of new releases and needs it out fast to keep his job. In the case of Symbian, I believe this is long term unfixable, but for the N900 it should be possible. Nokia seems to have forgotten that most phone purchases now are repeat purchases and that even those that aren't are recommendations by the user. Nokia needs to start worrying about the customers who already have their phones.

      Furthermore, in each case; Nokia could be fixing these problems (the E52 is even worse than the average Symbian phone and the N900 lacked lots of basic Nokia features in the default config) with over the air updates. Instead they choose to concentrate on releasing yet more hundreds of new and mostly irrelevant X series phones.

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    30. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by rtfa-troll · · Score: 1

      No we didn't know that. Thanks though; I'll benefit. He never will 'cos he already bought an Android 'cos he didn't know that when he went to the shop. Perhaps Nokia marketing should concentrate on explaing that instead of hiring tacky porno girls to promote their new phones. In fact perhaps they should concentrate on marketing a phone OS instead of investing so much of their money into Symbian.

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    31. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by rtfa-troll · · Score: 1

      You are probably right that Nokia should have committed to Android at the beginning, however they've spent too long being Microsoft's on off boyfriend to get in as a serious Google partner. Their work on OVI makes it pretty clear that to everyone that they are exactly who Google shouldn't work with (unless they sell what little of OVI is worth having and prostrate themselves totally to Google; at that stage though they become just another commodity phone maker with a good logistics system but without even the Android experience of HTC)

      Possibly they should port all the good open source stuff from Android into Meego, get the right licenses from Oracle make it fully integrated into the normal Linux environment so that Android Meego app ports are trivial and automatically give even more power and then come back to Google in a year or two to integrate the two together from a position of strength.

      otherwise, their bridges to Android are already burned and at least "????" is better than nothing :-) No risk no fun.

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    32. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why on Earth would anybody buy a Nokia phone with Android. It would be like buying a Mac with Windows instead of OS X.

    33. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can I edit a favourite place in Google Maps? It looks like a basic operation to me, but I can't manage to do it - I tried long-pressing, menu-pressing, dragging... Also, Maps' UI is made up of icons with no text. You can only learn what they do after you press them. An then you'll have to live with the effect of the activation. For instance, pressing on a yellow star deletes a favourite without confirmation. What's the relationship between a celestial body and the deletion of a favourite place?

    34. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by molukki · · Score: 1

      Actually, it is YOU who fails with a simple time calculation. If the time is 12:00 and you set the alarm to 12:15, you do not have 15 minutes left, but 14 minutes plus some amount of seconds left. Hence the N-1.

    35. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the relevance of relevance?

    36. Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google by rtfa-troll · · Score: 1

      It's more like buying a Mac to run Ubuntu. People do it because the hardware is good.

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  2. Bai bai nokia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Hiring an american is, for this finnish company, a pretty large error. Making him a micros~1ee, read: largest innovation destructor in computing to date, is not going to bring back "innovation" to this ailing company. They basically have everything except management clue (but a clear excess of management), and you're not going to fix that by getting another manager from brass-heavy micros~1. So, last rites to nokia. G'bye.

    1. Re:Bai bai nokia by durrr · · Score: 1

      Considering the pathetic performance of OPK, the native finn, against the iphone of US-led apple fame i'm not overly sure it's a bad move. Either way nokia bloody well needs new blood.

    2. Re:Bai bai nokia by symbolset · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This looks like a troll but it's not. Google "Microsoft master phone" for details. The curse of history is that those who don't learn it are doomed to repeat it.

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    3. Re:Bai bai nokia by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Since he came from the Microsoft business section I assume he may actually have some good ideas for how to make it a nice business phone.

    4. Re:Bai bai nokia by symbolset · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Microsoft's Marc Brown had nothing to do with phones either, when he took a seat on the board of Sendo.

      He was then and remained through the project, an employee of Microsoft.

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  3. Interesting turn of fate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One of the key components of Nokia's current attempt to regain relevance is the (open source) Qt toolkit, powering KDE on Linux. It will be very interesting to see how Nokia under Elop will manage that asset and how Nokia's relation to the Open Source community will evolve.

    I for one wish him, Nokia and all ex-Trolls well.

    1. Re:Interesting turn of fate by hyartep · · Score: 3, Insightful

      far more, nokia is embracing linux for it's next mass platform (meego) and open-sourcing it's current platforn (symbian).

      i hope they will keep this attitude.

      for now they are a little slow to deliver, but they are imho the most open mobiles company.

  4. In other news by dkleinsc · · Score: 0, Redundant

    No chairs were thrown during the exit interview.

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  5. The hired from Microsoft because ... by Old97 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    of their remarkable success with mobile devices, especially phones? I don't understand this one. How did Elop manage to distance himself from his former employers failures or did Nokia even notice? This does not bode well for Nokia.

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    1. Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... by PseudonymousBraveguy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not to defend the decision, but Elop is from the Office division, so you can hardly blame him for Microsoft's failure in the mobile market.

    2. Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... by Xest · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That was my first thought, but to be fair this guy is coming from one of Microsoft's most succesful divisons- the one that brings in one of the largest shares of Microsoft's profits, whilst Microsoft's attempts at entering the mobile market have not come from this division.

      It's unlikely this fellow had much real involvement in Windows Mobile, but does have experience of running one of the most succesful divisions of the largest tech company in the world.

      My biggest concern if anything would be that perhaps this background may leave him too business focussed, and with the current battle for mobile phones being more centred around fun and personal use he may end up just pushing dull handsets that only compete with the likes of the Blackberry and aren't interesting enough to challenge Android and iPhones in the hearts of consumers. Potentially though his skills are transferrable and working in a business focussed division doesn't mean he can't use his management skills on non-business focussed stuff too.

    3. Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... by Old97 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's a good point. On the other hand MS Office as software is very bloated and inelegant. I only use it because I have to at work. So in my mind his software experience doesn't fit well with the requirements for mobile device software which really must be lean and elegant in design. The UI for MS Office while it's fine for a full PC doesn't translate to mobile devices either, so that experience isn't germane. Microsoft's approach to software development has been the anti-thesis of agile and nimble for some years now. What went wrong with Vista's development was just an extreme example of more systemic problems at Microsoft. Yes, MS Office hasn't had any big obvious failures (except Clippy), but that's by comparison to Vista. What if it weren't a de facto monopoly? Would it remain competitive? It's installed base in the corporate world makes it almost untouchable. That's not true in the mobile world which is really just getting started and is very competitive and fast moving. That's nothing like the MS Office experience.

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    4. Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On the other hand MS Office as software is very bloated and inelegant.

      On the other other hand, Office enjoys ridiculous market share and makes a staggering amount of money.

      I wonder which of those things would be more important to a corporation.

    5. Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... by arivanov · · Score: 2, Interesting

      On the other hand MS Office as software is very bloated and inelegant.

      So is Symbian.

      And as someone else noted it enjoys ridiculous market share. Once again - so does Symbian.

      So from a modern management perspective where managing Boston Chickin is more important than knowing the industry you manage the man is spot on for the job.

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    6. Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And I wonder what impact he made on that? Office is as close to a rent as one could dream of.

      What I wonder also is what kind of guy Elop is. If you look at his LinkedIn profile, he stayed sufficient time at his first two companies (Boston Chicken, CIO, and Macromedia). Then it's job hoping: just over 1 year at Adobe, same for the stint at Juniper, and now 2.5 years at Microsoft. That doesn't mean the guy is bad, but for the Adobe and Juniper part he left before the consequence of his decisions could be really felt.

      In other words, the guy raised fast, and moved too fast recently to see clearly his impact. I'm sure he has qualities to raise like this, but I saw some of those hoppers: very good at selling themselves and seducing, sometimes less at delivering.

      But now, where he landed, it's certainly time to deliver. So we'll see what the guy is really worth in a few years now. Good luck to him.

    7. Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 1

      I agree with pretty much all of that. It'll be interesting to see for sure.

    8. Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... by whoever57 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      On the other other hand, Office enjoys ridiculous market share and makes a staggering amount of money.

      Due in no small part, to Microsoft's illegal anti-competitive activities. It's one thing to make vast amounts of money from a monopoly, but making money in a competitive situation (where Nokia is no longer the leader) make take a different skill set.

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    9. Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      On the other hand MS Office as software is very bloated and inelegant.

      You meant OpenOffice.

    10. Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... by Infonaut · · Score: 2, Interesting

      On the other other hand, Office enjoys ridiculous market share and makes a staggering amount of money.

      Office makes so much money due to monopoly rents. MS can charge an arm and a leg for software that has remained, in terms of core functionality, unchanged for at least the last two decades. If Nokia wanted someone who was good at leveraging an existing monopoly, Elop would be a great choice. My guess is they wanted someone who might help them create groundbreaking new products and catch up to the industry leaders who are rapidly leaving them in the dust. On paper Elop isn't that guy. Maybe there's more too him. Maybe deep inside there's a radical innovator waiting to come out, like a fierce little alien leaping from some space colonist's body. But I remain skeptical.

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    11. Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      of their remarkable success with mobile devices, especially phones? I don't understand this one. How did Elop manage to distance himself from his former employers failures or did Nokia even notice? This does not bode well for Finland.

      FTFY

    12. Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... by Locutus · · Score: 1

      only thing is, I've seen and talked to a few Microsoft shop techies about various software solutions and have constantly been shut down with the phrase, "we're a Microsoft shop" even though Microsoft didn't have a solution. When Microsoft finally did pull something together, they ate it up quickly. So given that, and the fact that it shows how Microsoft's market position is solely responsible for many server side sales, this guys track record does not apply outside of Microsoft. Nokia does not have that kind of lock-in and position in the mobile phone segment to win customers.

      So he's really unproven in the market Nokia is in and with a company minus the market power and control Microsoft has and he had. We shall see how quickly Microsoft Windows 7 starts showing up on Nokia phones, how quickly Android and MeeGo get dropped and how quickly Nokia fades away, or not. He might show his colors quickly and I'll be keeping an eye on them that's for sure.

      LoB

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    13. Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... by JamesP · · Score: 1

      And he's ex-Juniper

      Besides, I hope Nokia did their homework

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    14. Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 1

      It's too much to give Elop credit for Office's success, but I don't think you give Office enough credit for Office's success.

      Even would-be competitors that can more or less flawlessly interact with its file types are still really no competition for it. And sure, a lot of that is inertia, and each new iteration may not add features that you care about, but spend some time down in the trenches doing work for/with business users who basically live in Office and I think you get a different picture. 95%+ of the features of Office are wasted on each of them, and yet, in the other 1-5% is something that competitors aren't providing and they won't live without.

      Sometimes a thing doesn't even have to be good to be the best.

    15. Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Well OpenOffice is definitely inelegant...bloated, maybe...but hey, it's $300-$500 less than MS Office at a thrifty $0, while still being less bloated and less inelegant.

      So you can go buy yourself a game console with games, or a used car, or a laptop with the money you saved.

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    16. Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Office makes so much money due to monopoly rents. MS can charge an arm and a leg for software that has remained, in terms of core functionality, unchanged for at least the last two decades.

      And they still got away with charging an arm and a leg after fu- uh, "changing" things up with the ribbon interface, at a point where OO.org was most competitive (which is why they invented the XML-based formats, to throw a speedbump in front of the competition).

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    17. Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... by Rexdude · · Score: 1

      Symbian bloated, based on what? It has evolved over 10 years scaling up from devices with very low processing power and memory to what's available today. Android on the other hand doesn't scale backwards as much - it's one thing to crow about Snapdragon based CPUs until you realize that you need that kind of hardware to get a responsible UI on an Android. Take a look at this review of 2 low end phones - Symbian vs. Android. Android simply requires high spec'ed hardware to run. By contrast I've seen my nokia 6630 circa 2005 have the same decently fast UI and memory management as anything current.

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    18. Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realise that Adobe bought Macromedia, don't you? I can't be bothered to check for myself, but I expect the move from Macomedia to Adobe was forced by this.

  6. Microsoft? by whisper_jeff · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Ok, I have no clue who the guy is but, if I were on the Nokia board and looking for a new CEO to help raise Nokia back to relevance in the face of the iPhone's success, I would look to a Google exec before one from Microsoft. Not to be a smartass, but why would you hire an exec from a company that hasn't yet figured out how to combat Apple's success in the smartphone market when you need an exec who knows how to combat Apple's success in the smartphone market? Google, at least, is giving Apple a run for its money and is making the smartphone market interesting. Microsoft has ... well, nothing in the smartphone market.

    A very, very weird choice...

    1. Re:Microsoft? by dk90406 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps no exec from Google were willing to leave a successful company, in order to join a company that is struggling (and so far failing) to stay relevant in the High-end phone market?
      I know Nokia still sells a lot of phones, but they are mostly in lower profit area of the market.

    2. Re:Microsoft? by Zouden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not really. This guy is taking the role of CEO, not chief engineer. Elop probably has a proven track record in managing Microsoft's business-software division (which does better than most divisions at MS) so they want him to deliver the same success to Nokia.

      Also, it's worth noting that Nokia's financial success is not dependent on competing with Apple in the smartphone market. They could simply continue making featurephones and dominate that segment, and make tons of money doing so.

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    3. Re:Microsoft? by N1AK · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not to be a smartass, but why would you hire an exec from a company that hasn't yet figured out how to combat Apple's success in the smartphone market when you need an exec who knows how to combat Apple's success in the smartphone market?

      Because you're experienced in hiring executives and know that executive != company. Which google exec would you go for? How many executives at a company primarily focused on advertising would really be appropriate to run one of the largest manufacturing companies in the world? I have no idea. Are you just more willing to share your opinion on matters you don't have in depth knowledge of, or is hiring execs your day job?

    4. Re:Microsoft? by thepike · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This guy is taking the role of CEO, not chief engineer.

      Thank you. Most people seem to have missed the point that he's going to be in charge of the business end, not product development.

      Granted, the two are obviously intertwined, but he's going to be dealing with money and people, not the decisions about what software to pursue/cancel except on a big picture scale.

    5. Re:Microsoft? by PrimordialSoup · · Score: 0

      Because somebody who works at google wouldnt leave it for nokia..:)

    6. Re:Microsoft? by GlassHeart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This guy is taking the role of CEO, not chief engineer.

      True, but I'm not sure there is such a thing as a functional chief engineer in the consumer space. If they were designing aircraft, I can see the suits deferring to the engineers except for general requirements, budgets, and such. It'll probably be harder to convince any CEO that he doesn't understand cell phones enough to have an opinion...

    7. Re:Microsoft? by Locutus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      true but from what I've seen, the Microsoft koolaid infects quite successfully. He's also been able to leverage all the Microsoft shops who look for products from Microsoft instead of looking at what is already on the market so in many cases, it just means putting something which kinda works in front of them and they purchase it. Yes, I've seen this. So while he might have been head of part of Microsoft's server software division, have a monopoly and leveraging that monopoly for success is not even close to competing in the open market.

      And just because he is the CEO and not the chief engineer, he runs the show and has the voice of the Board of Directors and management. And who's to say he's not going to start replacing many of the existing staff with his own? That is what often happens.

      IMO, this guys is untested in a real market and given where he came from, he's a threat to the future of Nokia. Had he been outside of Microsoft for a couple of years more could be known of his ability to lead an independent company but that's now what we have here.

      LoB

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  7. Consonant Envy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just so that he fits in will he be taking the name Stephphen Ellop? I'd hate to see Nokia loose all those double-consonants.

  8. MeeGo? by tsa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I guess this doesn't sound like good news for MeeGo. But maybe I'm too harsh. If Nokia really wants to be a big player in the smartphone market they will have to continue with MeeGo.

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    1. Re:MeeGo? by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

      If Nokia really wants to be a big player in the smartphone market they will have to continue with MeeGo.

      WTF? Please define "smartphone".

       

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    2. Re:MeeGo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Nokia really wants to be a big player in the smartphone market

      Excuse me? Has Nokia been passed as the market leader in smartphones since I last looked a few weeks ago?

    3. Re:MeeGo? by alexhs · · Score: 1

      Well, I suppose he meant "the US smartphone market" (because, you know, the remaining of the "world" is irrelevant).

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    4. Re:MeeGo? by kurt555gs · · Score: 1

      Toast!

      Nokia has removed all reference (except a few straggling pages) for the N900 from http://www.nokiausa.com/ already. The N900 is no longer for sale from Nokia USA.

      This is sad, and I am sure you will be seeing Windows Mobile on Nokia phones in the future. You don't just leave Microsoft any more than you leave the Mafia.

      Truly a sad day.

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    5. Re:MeeGo? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, I'm a bit concerned about how a CEO from MS will effect the FOSS projects Nokia has. But maybe, just maybe, it will actually help build some bridges between MS and FOSS.

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    6. Re:MeeGo? by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't draw that conclusive. The N800 too disappeared from Nokia's publicity almost as completely, and it was still succeeded by an open device based on Free Software. Nokia has been upfront that the Maemo-era devices were just a minor part of its catalogue and only stepping stones to a more widely available, more seriously marketed future product.

    7. Re:MeeGo? by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

      Yeahbut. Aren't the global market and the US market just the same thing?

      Oh wait. No.

       

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    8. Re:MeeGo? by scorp1us · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Business manager types care not about the implementation. They care about vision.

      Nokia is dead set on MeeGo, Qt, and all that open source Jazz. Expect this man's vision to be implemented that way.

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    9. Re:MeeGo? by macson_g · · Score: 2, Informative

      N900 was a 'public prototype', not something that could be a really competitive product. But if you liked it, just wait few weeks for the premiere of they new - MeeGoo based - device. some inside sources that should remain unnamed are claiming that it is going to be a big thing.

    10. Re:MeeGo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vision? I can imagine what kind of vision someone from Microsoft would have. Something like "One phone, One Computer, one OS" :/

    11. Re:MeeGo? by tsa · · Score: 1

      I live in Europe. The US phone market is irrelevant to me. To Nokia too I guess, because it's such a small market. Only 300 million people against 550 million or so in Europe, and 2 billion or so in Asia and Africa.

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    12. Re:MeeGo? by tsa · · Score: 1

      I have an N900. I like it a lot. It's not tied to anything, like the iPhone, and to a much lesser extend Android and Windows are.

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    13. Re:MeeGo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few weeks? We may get an announcement on it in that timeframe if we are lucky, but given Nokia's track record I doubt it will be released this side of Christmas.

      The specs for the N9 which is rumoured to be successor to the N900 are interesting though, but I'm not sure I like some of the choices, however since they are only rumours, we'll just have to wait and see.

    14. Re:MeeGo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no, no. No more bridges with MS. We saw how this turned with Novell. Microsoft can't cooperate with anybody who isn't Microsoft. That was proved too many times.

  9. Windows [mobile]/[phone] by iONiUM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Uh, why Microsoft? I think they've proven they suck with anything "cool", especially in the mobile realm. Android is now starting to steamroll BB in stats, and has a cool tablet coming out. Why would a mobile company trying to 'come back' (of sorts) hire a MS person? I don't get it.

    1. Re:Windows [mobile]/[phone] by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe Nokia's hoping to move in more of a business direction and eat up Blackberry's market?

      Elop comes from Office, which is about as close to a license to print money as you can get in the Office world. Clearly he knows something about managing a product that the business world will want. Cue a handful of people who are convinced that any day now Google Docs or OO will finally make real headway against Office in much the same way that Cubs fans are convinced that this will be their year in the World Series, but seriously -- even if Office somehow went down in flames today, it's still enjoyed utter dominance of its market for, what, 15 years? I'm sure if Nokia ended up with only that kind of dominance over business smartphones out of this move (and I don't think they will, but for the sake of argument... ) they'd be happy with it.

    2. Re:Windows [mobile]/[phone] by Stumbles · · Score: 1

      Really, the only hardware Microsoft has done reasonably well is the mouse, even then they just borrowed other technology.

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    3. Re:Windows [mobile]/[phone] by southpolesammy · · Score: 1

      I think the Cubs have a better chance of making the World Series than Google Docs or OpenOffice have of making any threat against MSOffice. For any/many number of reasons, MSOffice is the gold standard, and probably has a 99.99% share in businesses, personal computers, schools, and elsewhere. The portion of people actually using GoogDocs or OOo as their primary and every-day office-suite is likely to be very, very small. And yes, the Slashdot crowd doesn't exactly model "the average user".

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    4. Re:Windows [mobile]/[phone] by LingNoi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This guy isn't Mr Microsoft. He simply worked for them. Have some damn perspective.

    5. Re:Windows [mobile]/[phone] by robus · · Score: 1

      Hmm - but I would argue that Office has been able to phone it in for the past 15 years - and so where has Elop learned to handle to difficulties of a real market place? And even though we know Microsoft is rife with infighting I doubt anyone messes much with the Office division - so he wouldn't have got many hard knocks there either.

      Still seems like an odd choice.

    6. Re:Windows [mobile]/[phone] by Locutus · · Score: 1

      Probably because many in management in the tech sector are so far removed from reality they miss what's going on. They probably think that Microsoft has its market position in the desktop OS sector because they make really good software and do it better, faster, and cheaper than the competition. It says so in all the management rags so it must be true.

      What they will learn is that without billions of dollars backing him up so he can spend hundreds of millions on marketing, , Stephen Elop has less than a 50% chance of growing Nokia and is more likely going to destroy it. Getting the guy directly from Microsoft doesn't even give them a chance to know how much of the MS koolaid he's been drinking and since Nokia does not use much Microsoft software on their devices, he could very well hand Microsoft a huge vendor and destroy Nokia at the same time. And hasn't Nokia been looking at getting into the tablet space also?

      Bad move Nokia Board of Directors, bad move.

      LoB

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  10. News for PHBs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Stuff that matters to stuffed suits in accounts receivable.

  11. Kill Qt - go Mono ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Awesome. He should dead the lame S40 + Symbian + MeeGo plans and make plain a Windows 7 compatible (Linux plus Mono) play to beat Android. Nokia needs big new attack to stay relevant, and symbian and Qt no good at all ever.

  12. Kin? by Exitar · · Score: 1

    Why I'm not sure that hiring a person that worked for the producers of Kin (AND Zune) is the best way to save Nokia from decline?

    1. Re:Kin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      What decline? They've lost market share because the market has grown so much. They sold over 5 million more smartphones 2009 Q2 -> 2010 Q2 source: http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1421013

  13. Staggeringly Delusional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Google, at least, is giving Apple a run for its money"

    Just how delusional can you possibly be?

    Google's Android dumped Apple into 3rd place in the cellphone market two quarters ago. And Google dumped RIM into 2nd place this last quarter.

    Android was selling at a rate of 200,000 new phones a day/73 million a year a few months ago. And that rate has been increasing at a tremendous rate quarter after quarter for the past two years.

    Perhaps you spend your day sitting around in Starbucks, but out in the real world Google is the leader of the cellphone market.

    1. Re:Staggeringly Delusional by NatasRevol · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Out in the real world, Apple makes more money than all the other smartphone manufacturers combined. (Well, almost - only 44%: http://www.asymco.com/2010/08/19/htc-how-they-compare/ Scroll to the bottom to see earnings percentages)

      You can keep your marketshare. Apple will take the money.

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    2. Re:Staggeringly Delusional by obarthelemy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Depends on the metrics. I'm sure Apple makes oodles more money with the iPhone and related stuff (content, accessories) than Google is making with Android and related stuff.

      I'm fairly sure RIM is, too.

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    3. Re:Staggeringly Delusional by LingNoi · · Score: 1

      It's disingenuous to call it Google beating Apple. It's more like a group of manufacturers (HTC, Motorola, Samsung to name a few) all using the Android system that are beating Apple's iPhone.

    4. Re:Staggeringly Delusional by nschubach · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Someone had to coordinate, and stick their neck out... and put together a package that sells.

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  14. Imagine now ... by Going_Digital · · Score: 3, Funny

    Nokia phones now come in Home, small business, big business, magcorp, media and facebook editions.

  15. Elop is a software guy by Flambergius · · Score: 5, Informative

    A lot of people are asking why a guy from Microsoft?

    Basically, Nokia didn't hire a "Microsoft exec", but Stephen Elop of lately Microsoft, but previously of Juniper Networks, Adobe and Macromedia, a software guy with a reputation of excellent communication skills. That might be a very good move, Nokia can make mobile hardware as well as anyone, it's their software and services that have been the problem and not just lately, but at least since 2000.

    One of article gives a good overview.
    http://www.itworld.com/business/120236/nokia-names-microsofts-elop-new-ceo

    The Guardian has very nice article:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/sep/10/nokia-stephen-elop-smartphone

    Only thing I can think to add, that I read in Finnish media, was that Elop handled Microsoft's relations with Nokia and is relatively well known inside Nokia's boardroom already.

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    1. Re:Elop is a software guy by nschubach · · Score: 1

      I think Micrsoft is the new Scarlet Letter of resumes for some people. ;)

      I admit though, the first thing I thought when I read the title was: "Great, now MS is going to farm off their execs to get people to build Windows Phone 7 devices."

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    2. Re:Elop is a software guy by mahadiga · · Score: 1

      Rescuing Nokia? A former exec has a radical plan
      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/22/nokia_manifesto_risku/print.html

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  16. unfortunate accident.. by formfeed · · Score: 4, Funny

    In what Microsoft spokesmen called an "unfortunate accident" Elop got hit by a flying chair while trying to leave the Redmond campus.

    1. Re:unfortunate accident.. by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Terrible accident, you acorn fanboi. Quit messing it up or I'll give you a tour of a old carpet factory.

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  17. I HATE YOU NOKIA! by ConaxConax · · Score: 0, Troll

    I wonder if Steve Ball is throwing office chairs around this time.

    1. Re:I HATE YOU NOKIA! by ConaxConax · · Score: 1

      mer. Steve Ballmer. Jesus Christ

  18. Aww, teh Liddle iFanboy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Good liddle iFanboy!

    You spouted the standard iDamage control meme for Google's Android phones beating the shit out of Apple's overhyped and defective iPhone so well!

  19. just one question: by ChipMonk · · Score: 1

    Did Nokia and Stephen Elop?

    And why am I the first one to think of it?

  20. nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that search reveals nothing. The possible explanations are that you're crazy, you've misspelled something, or it's a big cover up conspiracy.

    1. Re:nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    2. Re:nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, one more question: what does this have to do with this topic?

  21. Re:They hired from Microsoft because ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well if the guy's name is Elop it more or less follows that he will elope... (*)

    Now, seriously, Nokia bought Trolltech, which makes Qt -- the foundation of KDE.

    Are we sure he did really leave M$? 8-o

  22. Feature phones are dying by Infonaut · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They could simply continue making featurephones and dominate that segment, and make tons of money doing so.

    That's like saying Dell or HP can continue to make commodity PCs and dominate that segment. While it may be true, the statement misses the fact that as the mobile market matures, feature phones will become a smaller and smaller slice of the overall pie. Moore's Law is relentless; the feature phone is dying as smartphones become the standard. There is no way Nokia execs are sitting around a big table discussing how they can use feature phones to ensure market dominance. If Nokia doesn't find a way to take the battle to Apple and Android, they're in deep trouble.

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  23. He can't cook either by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    So in my mind his software experience doesn't fit well with the requirements for mobile device software which really must be lean and elegant in design.

    Don't worry, CEO's just be do the low level programming to someone else's spec.

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  24. It won't last. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    This won't last long. Long assignments don't fit by the business profile of the character.

    Worst: North American can never ever fit into the the Nordic work tradition and culture. He will feel pretty limited and lonely there.

    Conclusion: this might lead to astonishing wins on short term (call it "reorganization") but after that he will leave to yet another challenge.

    The battle will keep on between Google and Apple, with M$ as side player collecting reasonably good wins with relatively little innovation.

    Whether Nokia communication devices will make it to the 1966 Corvette driven into a canyon by 13 year old James T. Kirk in 2246 remains unclear, as yet.

    1. Re:It won't last. by Drebin · · Score: 1

      Whether Nokia communication devices will make it to the 1966 Corvette driven into a canyon by 13 year old James T. Kirk in 2246 remains unclear, as yet.

      Nokia has been around for 139 years, so another 236 isn't that unlikely I guess...

  25. Now Nokia is really fucked by melted · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The guy is nothing but a bunch of hot air. He did almost nothing for Office, he came in after Raikes left in 2008, and it was Raikes who ran Office division so successfully. A monkey with half a brain could continue running this monopoly. They needed someone who knows what to do with the company. Elop certainly does not.

    1. Re:Now Nokia is really fucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True. I worked in office under Raikes and after Elop came in, a lot of the smarter people moved out (mostly into Windows, as a result of which we got 7). Elop promoted a number of the more clueless politicians, which caused a second wave of folks leaving. I am glad to see him go and cry only for the millions wasted on attracting hiring and firing him. Does anyone know how to short Nokia?

    2. Re:Now Nokia is really fucked by melted · · Score: 1

      A lot of people left for Windows because Sinofsky is currently considered heir to the throne once Ballmer is shown the door. So they want to align themselves to the next CEO.

    3. Re:Now Nokia is really fucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I knew Microsoft sends its astroturfers to /. (and other sites as well).

      Now I have proof.

  26. And the CIO is Microsoft Bob! by Spencerian · · Score: 1

    My eyes read that heading wrong. I saw:

    Nokia Names Microsoft's Flop As New CEO

    Now, I know that Nokia would have plenty of these to emulate, but, really, to make Windows Vista your CEO, wow.

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  27. nokia owns the world by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    except for the usa . Their only real competition are apple and google... From the usa ... They have been making smartphones for a decade and are looking to get into the usa market with stuff like the n900 and n8. They haven't been able to break the us market so far and i'll bet this is elop's first task .

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  28. Maemo FTW! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    But on the other hand, lots of people love the N900 software, given it's nix.

    Damn right! Maemo supremacy! \m/

    (It's SO much better than the competition, I can't help but be a fanboy! :P)

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  29. A seagull manager? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    It's called "seagull management."

    Swoop in, shit all over the place, and leave just as fast.

    We'll have to see if he is this type.

    Nokia is sort of the Microsoft of phones. A gigantic bureaucracy-heavy megacorporation with the momentum - and agility - of an aircraft carrier. Even if this guy screws up badly the effects might only be noticed after he leaves, and the effects will be minimal. Nokia will still be cranking out metric fucktons of cheap phones like they always have.

    Although MS handles RRODs better than Nokia handles N900 USB port breakage, which is to deny the problem exists and blame the user for being reckless.

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  30. what I like about Nokia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is that they make decent affordable phones. They really need to re-model things as I see it, as their current line-up just doesn't compete with the style and functionality the affordable Samsungs or the un-affordable iphones

  31. Nothing. by symbolset · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These issues have everything to do with the topic. Every possible corner of the topic is covered in these issues. We have Mobile competetive field, Microsoft executive moving to competitor, deals with the devil, partnership potentials, future potentials, breach of faith and so on. We don't have the death of the moved-to company yet because Nokia is not yet in that phase of the engagement.

    And yet I'm going to relent. After further consideration Nokia is too smart to be bought off by Microsoft, too big to believe in a benefit, too clever to leave their CEO ungoverned. At 30 months this guy's too new to Redmond to be an external asset unless their mindscaping has risen to Treadstone levels, and I don't believe it has. There's no evidence of a significant Scientology incursion into the Microsoft culture, which is what it would take to turn him so quick. Nokia's Board is learned enough and responsible enough to consider these issues, monitor their new CEO carefully and judge the risks. They're not dumb, and they've not reached their dotage. If he's a plant he's not going to sprout at Nokia.

    I recant my objections. He may compete well and that would be a Good Thing.

    If Nokia should enter into a "partnership" with Microsoft in the near future though, Nokia is an easy short. Microsoft is a competitor with trivial market share and limited resources in the space. Microsoft wants to compete in this space with Windows Phone 7. Nokia remains, and is projected to remain, the dominant player in the space. Such a partnership would gain Nokia nothing and benefit Microsoft well so it would be an abrogation of corporate responsibility for Nokia to enter into such a deal. If you see it, Nokia is PWNed. Short Nokia hard in that case and you can retire on the movement.

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  32. Re:Microsoft? -UPDATE- by Locutus · · Score: 1

    the article didn't state how long he was at Microsoft but I found that it was less than 3 years so he might not be _that_ infected. His _success_ at Microsoft is still of dubious value IMO.

    LoB

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  33. Why Nokia Symbian Phones Are SHIT by rtfa-troll · · Score: 1

    From Colin's comments it seems that there's a person out there who hasn't realised that Nokia Symbian phones are shit. I really worry that some of these people work for Nokia and might think that it's worth trying to continue Symbian instead of killing it dead with a death target time of about two years and a move to the bottom end in one.

    I've had in my life, for reasons of company policy, three Symbian phones.

    • Nokia 6330
    • Nokia N70
    • Nokia E63

    The number of bugs which recur from phone to phone is astounding; Every phone completely messes up out of memory conditions with applications breaking. On both the 6330 and N70 the different locking modes would overlap making it almost impossible to unlock the phone sometimes. The web browsers always failed and locked up (just yesterday I tested this against a friends E72 loading a standard AJAX site - he wanted to prove it was just as good as the N900 - his phone crashed).

    Beyond that; the mail clients regularly overload; the excel replacement doesn't deal with pretty basic XLS files let alone advanced ones; the excel replacement locks out and demands a license; the PC software screws up your Windows desktop; the systems aren't compatible with Linux ; etc. etc. etc.

    Oh... not enough extras. Okay; the file system access is inconsistent, I had to use FExplorer to even survive on it (and without FExplorer's process killing I would have given up completely on Symbian long ago). Enough?

    If you release with bugs that is bad, but may be down to a lazy tester and a CEO who doesn't now how to put testing people onto software. If you can't fix major bugs in your software in five years, then that is a strong hint that your software is designed wrong.

    KILL SYMBIAN NOW. Nokia, for your own sake. We are begging. Symbian programmers who can deal with Linux should go to Meego. Those that can't should go to putting a Symbian compatibility layer in Meego. Those that can't cope with that need to go. Take this as a chance to prove to your customers that you will never repeat the story of the N700 to N800 where you abandoned them or the N800 to N900 where you did the same or the S2 to S3, etc. etc.

    Every phone designer at Nokia should be forced to have an iphone and use it for at least a week. Until they and their managers realise that a) they have to finish phones before releasing and b) phones nowadays need a real proper operating system and Symbian is not it.

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    1. Re:Why Nokia Symbian Phones Are SHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On both the 6330 and N70 the different locking modes would overlap making it almost impossible to unlock the phone sometimes.

      Care to explain? Never had this problem with my N70 and N73.

      The web browsers always failed and locked up (just yesterday I tested this against a friends E72 loading a standard AJAX site - he wanted to prove it was just as good as the N900 - his phone crashed).

      S60 browser does suck, but there are alternatives. Symbian^1+ browser is much better and does support flash.

      the excel replacement locks out and demands a license;

      And the phones that, in comparison, come out of the box with a fully-free excel replacement are...

      the PC software screws up your Windows desktop;

      Nokia's PC suite sucks, except that other manufacturers'ones suck more. I've tried HTC sync, Motorola mobile phone tools, Samsung Studio. Besides having much less features, they're all unstable, ugly and reek of Visual Basic.

      the systems aren't compatible with Linux ; etc. etc. etc.

      Nokia uses open protocols for just about everything. They probably sell the only phones whose full features are accessibile on Linux.

      Oh... not enough extras. Okay; the file system access is inconsistent,

      Whereas the iPhone does not have a filesystem at all, and Android does not ship with a filesystem explorer out of the box, so you can save files but then only wonder where in the FS they did end up.

      If you release with bugs that is bad, but may be down to a lazy tester and a CEO who doesn't now how to put testing people onto software.

      At least they release frequent firmware updates, even for their cheapest phones, even a long time after the phone is out. I don't have the same experience with outer manufacturers.

      Every phone designer at Nokia should be forced to have an iphone and use it for at least a week.

      Hmm, I think they started doing that, and the result was that Nokia begun releasing phones with non-user replaceable batteries. Let's hope they stop there before they begin blocking Bluetooth, applications installation, USB interface, multitasking and so on.

    2. Re:Why Nokia Symbian Phones Are SHIT by rtfa-troll · · Score: 1

      On both the 6330 and N70 the different locking modes would overlap making it almost impossible to unlock the phone sometimes.

      Care to explain? Never had this problem with my N70 and N73.

      From memory (thank god; I've not been using those phones for several years): Turn on autolocking because you hate making automatic calls; turn on numerical security because a) you don't want your stolen phone to be used and b) it provides better protection than the normal locking. Now wait; sometimes (but not always) you'll find the two lock modes get confused. The numeric lock comes on top of the normal lock and then you almost can't get back into the phone. However sometimes you can. If you have fexplore installed 90% of the time it will let you kill the autolock process once you've unlocked the other one

      The web browsers always failed and locked up (just yesterday I tested this against a friends E72 loading a standard AJAX site - he wanted to prove it was just as good as the N900 - his phone crashed).

      S60 browser does suck, but there are alternatives. Symbian^1+ browser is much better and does support flash.

      This is supposed to be a defence of Nokia? Or an accusation that they are hobbling Symbian as well as Maemo?

      the excel replacement locks out and demands a license;

      And the phones that, in comparison, come out of the box with a fully-free excel replacement are...

      God knows; but I'm sure that if apple developed the same feature and it was as broken as it is on S60 phones, they would never ever ship it under their own brand or anywhere that it might be associated with their brand. They would probably not even allow it in their app store.

      the PC software screws up your Windows desktop;

      Nokia's PC suite sucks, except that other manufacturers'ones suck more. I've tried HTC sync, Motorola mobile phone tools, Samsung Studio. Besides having much less features, they're all unstable, ugly and reek of Visual Basic.

      I believe the relevant competition in this case is iTunes. I will never use it 'cos it's a big pile of DRM suck, but I never heard that the user interface was terrible.

      the systems aren't compatible with Linux ; etc. etc. etc.

      Nokia uses open protocols for just about everything. They probably sell the only phones whose full features are accessibile on Linux.

      at it's heart; you should understand that that this is not the complaint of a person who hates Nokia; rather a loyal user who feels he's being betrayed. I do agree with you up to a point. However, sometimes this seems more like Microsoft's use of open protocols than anything else. They use the "standard" interfaces but keep changing them so that it often takes months for a new model to start working (like when the data connection on phones started hopping about bluetooth channels and they didn't document it anywhere I could find).

      Oh... not enough extras. Okay; the file system access is inconsistent,

      Whereas the iPhone does not have a filesystem at all, and Android does not ship with a filesystem explorer out of the box, so you can save files but then only wonder where in the FS they did end up.

      the iPhone browser seems to say otherwise however, it seems that the filesystem is hidden unless you jailbreak, so point taken.

      If you release with bugs that is bad, but may be down to a lazy tester and a CEO who doesn't now how to put testing people onto software.

      At

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  34. Can anyone give me.. by notknown86 · · Score: 1

    ..odds that the next Nokia has a ribbon across the top of the screen that makes it impossible to find commonly used functions?