those companies once had millions to develop new battery tech and nothing came of it. Ovonics goes and invents the NiMH, partners with GM and sells a majority stake in the patent and then GM sells that to the oil industry who won't let anyone make large NiMH for electric vehicles. Leave the US auto industry out of this battery industry and maybe something will happen and it'll get a chance to be used in the next-gen autos.
Remember, the EV1 got over 140 miles per charge on the NiMH batteries in the late 90s or very early 2001 period. GM is hardly getting 40 miles per charge of expensive lithium batteries today and nobody is using NiMH for mostly electric or all electric vehicles. It's not because the tech can't handle it. Ask any of the few Rav 4 EV owners out there.
If the US auto industry is tied into this, I give it less than a 50% chance of working out to anything viable.
I see, keep em stupid and keep em paying. And MS Excel makes a great source control tool. Yes, I've seen a business using it for this. Ignorance is bliss seems to be a way of life for many a Windows shop. And it is not about GNU/Linux, it's about knowing there are tools out there for both Windows and/or GNU/Linux which do the task designed for quite well.
It's not about "The Year of the Linux Desktop" it is about another year of "Open Source Illiterate Windows IT people". IMO.
step out of the 90s buddy, todays GNU/Linux is not your hippy geeks OS any more. I've got 70 something year old grandmothers using it, teens, and in-betweens. And when there is something they must have and is only available in a Windows app, virtual machines solve that issue.
it does amaze me how many times I try to run something across a self-described Windows geeks and they have no idea what I'm talking about. It's as if technology only emanates from Microsoft and as if the "We are a Microsoft shop" is a badge of ignorance or something. Get out and try something new every now and then. You will be surprised at what new things are turning up outside your fracturing Windows. IMO.
don't think for a minute that this kid really did any of this originally. It's a PR stunt to get people to think Windows is so easy a 4.5 year old can use it. It's a lie as most anything coming from Microsoft is these days. IMO.
wow, it's taken "shareholders" this long to figure out it's all been a sham? Windows is what brings in over 80% of the revenues and billions a blown year after year on money losing ventures and that thing they call R&D. R&D is a really nice black hole to hide and move money around too. I remember a few years back when MSFT cut R&D by 50%( down to ~$3.2billioin from ~$6.4billion ) and magically a bunch of the other divisions showed profits for the first time. A couple of quarters later they were back to losing $100s of millions each.
The whole company is running on the 20 year old monopoly and they don't have any clue how to make a profit outside of Windows. And it sounds like shareholders are finally getting sick of this now that it's been something like 8 years with little value/growth and Vista, well I'm guessing that's pissing them off too. It also doesn't help when little Apple can launch products, v1.0 products I might add, and they are fantastically profitable.
try getting an XP based computer, you not only have to pay for Vista but you also have to pay for them to install XP over Vista and that's about $150 extra.
And I think desktop Linux would love to have Vista's marketshare. It is forced on everyone purchasing a PC from any of the major OEMs.
Besides, we are talking about the application space and not the OS space but since you brought it up...
I can't even get myself to read the article when I see quotes like this:
"It's asserting that bundling leads to market share. I don't know how you can make the claim with a straight face."
And if anyone falls for this, they need to look in the mirror and ask themselves, who they'll be suckered by next.
When you own the distribution channel as Microsoft does, bundling is _instant_ market share. And it helps when your have a very ignorant customers who take little to no time to try another product to see if it is better. _Better_ doesn't matter to most Windows users because they are mostly have very little understanding of the thing to begin with. And don't tell them that, they think they know everything there is to know about computers. After all, they know how to use MS Office. IMO.
as many have already stated, MS or the MS Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation will drop prices on MS software to thwart your efforts. Find places where they can't or don't play and one place is in energy efficiencies via multi-head multi-user configurations. http://www.userful.com/ wraps this up really nicely if you don't want to, or don't have the skills, configure it yourself. Not only does this provide nice energy efficiencies, it also can increase computer access with little extra money because you don't have to purchase a whole new computer for another workstation.
Look at all the computer labs and libraries first. And if there are some Microsoft apps needed, how about running Windows in a few virtual machines and installing something like VMwares VDI client on the multi-head systems. It might turn Windows into a managed application layer.
And you know energy efficiency is all the rage these days so you've got that marketing already done for you.
From and old story about these things in California. If they did include the judges like they did in CA, then when it was found that illegal manipulation of the signal system existed, nobody would be fined or arrested. What happened in CA was that the lights were turned off for a couple of years and the contract handed over to a new organization who then profits from the system. The lights are slowly turned back on, one by one over a few years. I guess you don't turn them back on all at once because a larger public out cry is trouble and little ones here and there can be stuffed out and hidden from public view. So those in Italy goofed the implementation IMO.
that is the stupidest thing I've heard all day. Play with Mono because of you play with it alot, Microsoft is going to be _less likely to fire a slug in your head_. Wow, sure makes me want to play.
don't the Comes docs show that Microsoft is still the same old Microsoft? didn't the ISO issues show that Microsoft is the same old Microsoft? Hasn't the bazaar patterns OEMs have been in with regards to Linux on netbooks( or really XP on netbooks ) enough to show that Microsoft is the same old Microsoft? Seems they are still paying off people to write stories for them or else the author is just plain thick.
As far as speed goes, let history be your guide or do you think this is the first time in Microsofts history they came out with an OS faster than the previous releases?
the idea of someone exposing us to a deadly disease is offensive and is, in essence, a terrorism tactic. That is very offensive IMO.
And "raising a protest about people in developing nations being subject to exactly the same disease"? Protest? If it were a man made issue, I could see protects or something like that but this is a natural event. Granted, a well organized civilization can overcome the problem as many have already. But should we all be "protesting" every natural disease with medicine to cure across the world? That would pretty much stop our economy in its tracks for sure.
And if Bill Gates really cared about this, he'd stop spending his foundations money on 'donations" to 1st world schools and libraries and spend that money on this problem. He's got enough to clear probably most of Africa. But wait, that would mean schools and libraries would then be able to use Open Source software and that's not something he will allow.
Gates isn't interested in curing the problem, he's only willing to help and wants others to join him so he spends his time doing these smoke and mirror tricks to those who consider him more than what he has ever been. A snakeoil salesman. Pay a little, sell a lot of the inferior product with marketing lies, tricks, and cheating, get rich doing it.
yes, maybe that is what someone should do at this years computer conferences full of Microsoft software. After all, "there is no reason only poor people should be infected" so stop paying companies to put Windows on netbook computers which can't run both Windows and the required anti-virus software while still being usable. And I'm sure the OLPC is a real screamer with XP and anti-virus running.
* VMware Fusion Seems to be a client which includes Unity which is a way to integrate individual apps in the virtual machine with you desktop apps. IIRC it's for Mac,Linux, and Windows
* VMware server Free server verstion and multi VMs at one time. For Linux and Windows( maybe Mac )
* VMware workstation Non-free desktop product. For Linux and Windows( maybe Mac )
* VMware view Client application which connects to a virtual machine on a server and displays that virtual machines display. VMware has been changing their remote display interfaces. There's much going on in the virtualization of the desktops for Windows( think something like XDMCP but each user gets his/her desktop and OS unique to them.
* VMware ESX Non-free server with much management tools. IIRC, this is virtualization with a massively stripped down Linux kernel so it is VMware server without much of a host OS.
* VMware Player Free desktop player, only for running existing virtual machines one at a time.
and wasn't it strange that the development environment was Linux also? Who in their right mind releases a product which they promote as leveraging the open source development community and then basically tells those developers they can't use the device with their desktop.
They also didn't open source the PIM applications so there ended up being something like four other PIM suites and none of them were really that good.
The original Linux based Zaurus was pretty cool but Sharp screwed up running the show on the software side.
As far as Citrix is concerned, Microsoft failed at negotiating a pruchase of Citrix back in the NT days IIRC and about 6 months before shipping a new version they announced they'd include terminal services in Windows. This caused Citrix's stock to plummet to about 25% of its previous value. A couple of months later, Citrix and Microsoft signed a deal where Microsoft licensed Citrix for 5 years and after that, owned the source to that version. Much like what they did to Sybase with SQL Server.
If you realize that Microsoft is a marketing company using their monopoly in the OS market, then it's clear that when they can leverage that monopoly, they can eventually dominate in a market segment but their products are far from good and often just good enough for those who don't look for solutions. The "we're a Microsoft shop" crowd.
I think VMware knows they must remain valuable in the server virtualization market or they are done. As you mentioned, Citrix is a good example for them that surviving a monopoly leveraged attack can be done.
in Star Trek, the needs of the many, out weight the needs of the few or the one. Open Source would rein _the_ way software was done, not the One Microsoft Way way.
they don't just throw CDs of Microsoft software at them, they tie in training and hardware and all kinds of things. Whatever it takes to keep Windows on those computers.
from what I've seen coming out of US high schools and colleges, most are still pretty darn computer illiterate. They know "The Word", "The Excel", and "The Powerpoint" but they know nothing about the basics of what the "tool" a computer is. They are taught to click buttons and not understand what is going on and I'm not talking about coding. Ask anyone what a print spooler is and they'll be clueless. Yet, when they click the print button, that file is sent off to a spooler somewhere and will remain there until the printer finishes. This is a standard part how to use a computer.
So hoping that a more educated society is going to open peoples eyes to Gnu/Linux and open source is dreaming and a very long way out. IMO.
it is far from failing but the problem is that if you walk into a business and try to sell them a solution which happens to be Gnu/Linux based, you will hear they are a Microsoft shop. Outside the tech areas, Gnu/Linux is not on the radar. IMO, the #1 reason for this is that Microsoft prevents OEMs from advertising their Gnu/Linux products.
If Dell was to start advertising their Gnu/Linux notebooks and desktops instead of burying them, they were likely lose almost 20% of their profits since financial kickbacks under Marketing Programs from Microsoft run in the millions from what I've heard.
And since there is nobody advertising for the Gnu/Linux side it remains somewhat if a niche to the overall market.
practices. When a company or government finds Gnu/Linux fits the bill better than Windows, Microsoft comes in and essentially pays them to stick with Windows. Governments like Egypt where the OLPC people had a MOU from them but then Microsoft goes over, they talk, Egypt accepts something like $50 million in stuff from Microsoft and when OLPC shows up all they get is "Does it run Windows".
And let's talk about how HP, Dell, Lenova, etc can not advertise their Gnu/Linux products. Leaked MS memo's already showed Microsoft's hand in this too. They basically said, "you can not lead with Linux" and that meant advertise and the threat is most likely to be those millions of dollars in Marketing Program kickbacks for putting those little MS stickers on everything and saying crap like "Runs best with Windows", etc.
_That_ has been what has limited marketshare growth to a large degree. IMO. Remember, we are a world full of followers so if too many start going to Gnu/Linux, the horde will follow. That's why Microsoft spends hundreds of millions to stop the switch.
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I don't think there is one solution for all vehicles and neither should you.
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those companies once had millions to develop new battery tech and nothing came of it. Ovonics goes and invents the NiMH, partners with GM and sells a majority stake in the patent and then GM sells that to the oil industry who won't let anyone make large NiMH for electric vehicles. Leave the US auto industry out of this battery industry and maybe something will happen and it'll get a chance to be used in the next-gen autos.
Remember, the EV1 got over 140 miles per charge on the NiMH batteries in the late 90s or very early 2001 period. GM is hardly getting 40 miles per charge of expensive lithium batteries today and nobody is using NiMH for mostly electric or all electric vehicles. It's not because the tech can't handle it. Ask any of the few Rav 4 EV owners out there.
If the US auto industry is tied into this, I give it less than a 50% chance of working out to anything viable.
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I see, keep em stupid and keep em paying. And MS Excel makes a great source control tool. Yes, I've seen a business using it for this. Ignorance is bliss seems to be a way of life for many a Windows shop. And it is not about GNU/Linux, it's about knowing there are tools out there for both Windows and/or GNU/Linux which do the task designed for quite well.
It's not about "The Year of the Linux Desktop" it is about another year of "Open Source Illiterate Windows IT people". IMO.
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step out of the 90s buddy, todays GNU/Linux is not your hippy geeks OS any more. I've got 70 something year old grandmothers using it, teens, and in-betweens. And when there is something they must have and is only available in a Windows app, virtual machines solve that issue.
it does amaze me how many times I try to run something across a self-described Windows geeks and they have no idea what I'm talking about. It's as if technology only emanates from Microsoft and as if the "We are a Microsoft shop" is a badge of ignorance or something. Get out and try something new every now and then. You will be surprised at what new things are turning up outside your fracturing Windows. IMO.
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don't think for a minute that this kid really did any of this originally. It's a PR stunt to get people to think Windows is so easy a 4.5 year old can use it. It's a lie as most anything coming from Microsoft is these days. IMO.
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wow, it's taken "shareholders" this long to figure out it's all been a sham? Windows is what brings in over 80% of the revenues and billions a blown year after year on money losing ventures and that thing they call R&D. R&D is a really nice black hole to hide and move money around too. I remember a few years back when MSFT cut R&D by 50%( down to ~$3.2billioin from ~$6.4billion ) and magically a bunch of the other divisions showed profits for the first time. A couple of quarters later they were back to losing $100s of millions each.
The whole company is running on the 20 year old monopoly and they don't have any clue how to make a profit outside of Windows. And it sounds like shareholders are finally getting sick of this now that it's been something like 8 years with little value/growth and Vista, well I'm guessing that's pissing them off too. It also doesn't help when little Apple can launch products, v1.0 products I might add, and they are fantastically profitable.
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try getting an XP based computer, you not only have to pay for Vista but you also have to pay for them to install XP over Vista and that's about $150 extra.
And I think desktop Linux would love to have Vista's marketshare. It is forced on everyone purchasing a PC from any of the major OEMs.
Besides, we are talking about the application space and not the OS space but since you brought it up...
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I can't even get myself to read the article when I see quotes like this:
"It's asserting that bundling leads to market share. I don't know how you can make the claim with a straight face."
And if anyone falls for this, they need to look in the mirror and ask themselves, who they'll be suckered by next.
When you own the distribution channel as Microsoft does, bundling is _instant_ market share. And it helps when your have a very ignorant customers who take little to no time to try another product to see if it is better. _Better_ doesn't matter to most Windows users because they are mostly have very little understanding of the thing to begin with. And don't tell them that, they think they know everything there is to know about computers. After all, they know how to use MS Office. IMO.
LoB
as many have already stated, MS or the MS Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation will drop prices on MS software to thwart your efforts. Find places where they can't or don't play and one place is in energy efficiencies via multi-head multi-user configurations. http://www.userful.com/ wraps this up really nicely if you don't want to, or don't have the skills, configure it yourself. Not only does this provide nice energy efficiencies, it also can increase computer access with little extra money because you don't have to purchase a whole new computer for another workstation.
Look at all the computer labs and libraries first. And if there are some Microsoft apps needed, how about running Windows in a few virtual machines and installing something like VMwares VDI client on the multi-head systems. It might turn Windows into a managed application layer.
And you know energy efficiency is all the rage these days so you've got that marketing already done for you.
LoB
From and old story about these things in California. If they did include the judges like they did in CA, then when it was found that illegal manipulation of the signal system existed, nobody would be fined or arrested. What happened in CA was that the lights were turned off for a couple of years and the contract handed over to a new organization who then profits from the system. The lights are slowly turned back on, one by one over a few years. I guess you don't turn them back on all at once because a larger public out cry is trouble and little ones here and there can be stuffed out and hidden from public view. So those in Italy goofed the implementation IMO.
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that is the stupidest thing I've heard all day. Play with Mono because of you play with it alot, Microsoft is going to be _less likely to fire a slug in your head_. Wow, sure makes me want to play.
don't the Comes docs show that Microsoft is still the same old Microsoft? didn't the ISO issues show that Microsoft is the same old Microsoft? Hasn't the bazaar patterns OEMs have been in with regards to Linux on netbooks( or really XP on netbooks ) enough to show that Microsoft is the same old Microsoft? Seems they are still paying off people to write stories for them or else the author is just plain thick.
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LOL
I was thinking "will it blend" as in food blender and didn't see the twist of blending as in re-mixing.
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or how about will it float?
As far as speed goes, let history be your guide or do you think this is the first time in Microsofts history they came out with an OS faster than the previous releases?
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the idea of someone exposing us to a deadly disease is offensive and is, in essence, a terrorism tactic. That is very offensive IMO.
And "raising a protest about people in developing nations being subject to exactly the same disease"? Protest? If it were a man made issue, I could see protects or something like that but this is a natural event. Granted, a well organized civilization can overcome the problem as many have already. But should we all be "protesting" every natural disease with medicine to cure across the world? That would pretty much stop our economy in its tracks for sure.
And if Bill Gates really cared about this, he'd stop spending his foundations money on 'donations" to 1st world schools and libraries and spend that money on this problem. He's got enough to clear probably most of Africa. But wait, that would mean schools and libraries would then be able to use Open Source software and that's not something he will allow.
Gates isn't interested in curing the problem, he's only willing to help and wants others to join him so he spends his time doing these smoke and mirror tricks to those who consider him more than what he has ever been. A snakeoil salesman. Pay a little, sell a lot of the inferior product with marketing lies, tricks, and cheating, get rich doing it.
LoB
yes, maybe that is what someone should do at this years computer conferences full of Microsoft software. After all, "there is no reason only poor people should be infected" so stop paying companies to put Windows on netbook computers which can't run both Windows and the required anti-virus software while still being usable. And I'm sure the OLPC is a real screamer with XP and anti-virus running.
Watch out kids, he's a snakeoil salesmen.
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* VMware Fusion
Seems to be a client which includes Unity which is a way to integrate individual apps in the virtual machine with you desktop apps. IIRC it's for Mac,Linux, and Windows
* VMware server
Free server verstion and multi VMs at one time. For Linux and Windows( maybe Mac )
* VMware workstation
Non-free desktop product. For Linux and Windows( maybe Mac )
* VMware view
Client application which connects to a virtual machine on a server and displays that virtual machines display. VMware has been changing their remote display interfaces. There's much going on in the virtualization of the desktops for Windows( think something like XDMCP but each user gets his/her desktop and OS unique to them.
* VMware ESX
Non-free server with much management tools. IIRC, this is virtualization with a massively stripped down Linux kernel so it is VMware server without much of a host OS.
* VMware Player
Free desktop player, only for running existing virtual machines one at a time.
* VMware ACE
Not sure
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and wasn't it strange that the development environment was Linux also? Who in their right mind releases a product which they promote as leveraging the open source development community and then basically tells those developers they can't use the device with their desktop.
They also didn't open source the PIM applications so there ended up being something like four other PIM suites and none of them were really that good.
The original Linux based Zaurus was pretty cool but Sharp screwed up running the show on the software side.
LoB
As far as Citrix is concerned, Microsoft failed at negotiating a pruchase of Citrix back in the NT days IIRC and about 6 months before shipping a new version they announced they'd include terminal services in Windows. This caused Citrix's stock to plummet to about 25% of its previous value. A couple of months later, Citrix and Microsoft signed a deal where Microsoft licensed Citrix for 5 years and after that, owned the source to that version. Much like what they did to Sybase with SQL Server.
If you realize that Microsoft is a marketing company using their monopoly in the OS market, then it's clear that when they can leverage that monopoly, they can eventually dominate in a market segment but their products are far from good and often just good enough for those who don't look for solutions. The "we're a Microsoft shop" crowd.
I think VMware knows they must remain valuable in the server virtualization market or they are done. As you mentioned, Citrix is a good example for them that surviving a monopoly leveraged attack can be done.
LoB
in Star Trek, the needs of the many, out weight the needs of the few or the one. Open Source would rein _the_ way software was done, not the One Microsoft Way way.
LoB
they don't just throw CDs of Microsoft software at them, they tie in training and hardware and all kinds of things. Whatever it takes to keep Windows on those computers.
LoB
from what I've seen coming out of US high schools and colleges, most are still pretty darn computer illiterate. They know "The Word", "The Excel", and "The Powerpoint" but they know nothing about the basics of what the "tool" a computer is. They are taught to click buttons and not understand what is going on and I'm not talking about coding. Ask anyone what a print spooler is and they'll be clueless. Yet, when they click the print button, that file is sent off to a spooler somewhere and will remain there until the printer finishes. This is a standard part how to use a computer.
So hoping that a more educated society is going to open peoples eyes to Gnu/Linux and open source is dreaming and a very long way out. IMO.
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I usually copy the line down and go from there but in this case, one word( practices ) wouldn't fit.
I also specified Microsoft marketing funds as what blocks advertising. So what part of the subject does not follow the content?
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it is far from failing but the problem is that if you walk into a business and try to sell them a solution which happens to be Gnu/Linux based, you will hear they are a Microsoft shop. Outside the tech areas, Gnu/Linux is not on the radar. IMO, the #1 reason for this is that Microsoft prevents OEMs from advertising their Gnu/Linux products.
If Dell was to start advertising their Gnu/Linux notebooks and desktops instead of burying them, they were likely lose almost 20% of their profits since financial kickbacks under Marketing Programs from Microsoft run in the millions from what I've heard.
And since there is nobody advertising for the Gnu/Linux side it remains somewhat if a niche to the overall market.
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practices. When a company or government finds Gnu/Linux fits the bill better than Windows, Microsoft comes in and essentially pays them to stick with Windows. Governments like Egypt where the OLPC people had a MOU from them but then Microsoft goes over, they talk, Egypt accepts something like $50 million in stuff from Microsoft and when OLPC shows up all they get is "Does it run Windows".
And let's talk about how HP, Dell, Lenova, etc can not advertise their Gnu/Linux products. Leaked MS memo's already showed Microsoft's hand in this too. They basically said, "you can not lead with Linux" and that meant advertise and the threat is most likely to be those millions of dollars in Marketing Program kickbacks for putting those little MS stickers on everything and saying crap like "Runs best with Windows", etc.
_That_ has been what has limited marketshare growth to a large degree. IMO. Remember, we are a world full of followers so if too many start going to Gnu/Linux, the horde will follow. That's why Microsoft spends hundreds of millions to stop the switch.
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the EULA does say something like that IIRC.
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