The "Not cool guys." comment sounded like he wasn't thrilled they all dumped lots of fixes all at once. You know, like they were sitting on lots of changes and then, in concert, released everything before a release milestone. I doubt it has anything to do with binary footprints.
yes, that exact scenario was found in a leaked internal Microsoft memo.
it goes along with how they will go and assign something like 12 Microsoft employees to handle, coach, and basically direct the author of an article on a Microsoft technology. This includes scripting questions and responses for those in phone or other contact with the author and the use of staff psychologists to make sure the article ends up the way Microsoft wants it. This all came from a mistake when they author of an article was mistakenly included on an email between these internal coaches.
I'm pretty sure Ballmer and Gates have read "The Innovator's Dilemma" too.
they spent their existence letting others define the market and then they went in and leveraged their market position with desktop Windows and took the new market. they got lucky with a quick and cheap PC turned game console( Xbox ) and caught Sony going for the gold with a radical new design and therefore won early entry into the next gen console market. Only cost them a few 10s of billions which it'll take another 5+ years to recoup but they "won" that market in Ballmers eyes because they are now a player there. Everything else they've failed though.
So, where they can't leverage desktop Windows position what really do they have but Ballmers mouth saying they can pull it off? Not the billions and billions they've already spent and lost on all the other ventures. I guess they pulled some fancy financial work and wrote off $6 billion so they'll have a few billion to spread around and try to market their way into the phone and tablet segments.
I still see Ballmers head hitting a surface like device over and over again while saying 'son of a bitch...son of a bitch...'. or something like that.
it's often easy to just change something in the design slightly or even just the wording of the patent to get it past the examiners. for instance, that example of the pinch gesture in 88 was just that, a gesture but one not using multi-"touch". Apple or someone could take that with a physical touching of a device interface and declare it unique and different.
no idea of the OS let alone the version or even the protocol to transmit the config. What I do know is that these running the show ran this same show a dozen or so times before running this one, they run hundreds of shows per year. I doubt rs232 is what they used considering they had 4 barges along a few miles and out in the middle of San Diego Bay( video/pictures and article story told us that ). Probably some wireless transport.
as for BSOD's, we just saw the OS locking up on the MS Surface demo and XP BSOD'ing is not all that rare. No idea about Vista nor Windows 7 since any new machines just got those wiped off.
it has implications for using small devices like the one demo'ed without a kbd and mouse. Things like a dynamic picture frame, your own media center console or even a form of kiosk and not need to put a touch interface on it.
Just because it looks like a PC you know and love, it does not mean it can only be that way.
if it had them. Did you see the video and notice the solution shown did not remote the display and therefore required the user be close enough to see the computer display?
It could be handy for managing things like kiosks, picture frames, etc where you have a little GNU/Linux box driving a display without touch, kbd or mouse.
Getting it to work over Bluetooth shouldn't be too difficult for those wanting to do that instead of wifi or ethernet.
from what I read, they uploaded a configuration right before the show which sets the timing sequence for the entire show. On 3 out of the 4 launch systems which received the upload the control system immediately launched everything at once. The originating timing software could have saved a sequence file with incorrect seconds timing but what is obvious is that they do not test or validate the sequence file before accepting it. At the very least they don't check for out of bounds events like launching more than X number of mortars in Y seconds without validation.
They can blame it on the "device" but it looks like a software glitch and hopefully it's at the application level and not something like an OS BSOD. Wouldn't it suck if the uploaded sequence file crashed the app _and_ the OS and garbage went out to the trigger unit causing the simultaneous launch.
I was told this by a library employee a few years ago. And as if Microsoft has not crossed the legal line before in the name of protecting Windows market position.
I was told this by a library employee. it explained why all the libraries I approached with a multi-headed Linux system solution for expanding seats and reducing energy costs said thanks but they use Windows.
He is because his foundation pushes Microsoft software and lets those who sign on the dotted line know they are not supposed to use open source software.
Too bad his foundation doesn't stick to healthcare and even there they need to stay away from any computerization. He profits from those transactions because he owns stock in Microsoft.
I suspect that the two of you have never seen or heard of the Asus Transformer or even using a bluetooth keyboard with a tablet.
I further suspect that this is really just Bill Gates helping protect Microsoft from the impending avalanche of users away from Microsoft Windows desktop computers.
I did notice that it wasn't until Obama threatened to investigate the increasingly high gas prices that the gas prices started to decline. Quite the coincidence I would say.
we are talking about video drivers here and the drivers only work with the hardware from that company mentioned. Exactly what software should the OSS people purchase from AMD to get this support you think you know about?
never turned on a partner before? As many others have stated, Microsoft is a company for profits and nothing stops them from doing what they decide is their direction to get those profits. laws or no laws, contracts or no contracts and surely nothing like how long you have been a partner matters.
The story here is not who was not told or how surprised they were, it's what they plan to do now they know they signed those exclusive contracts and now got burned by Microsoft themselves.
because there's no longer any room for profits in the middle. But can Microsoft really pull this off? They are not anything like Apple and for decades their software has ridden on the coattails of being 'good enough' along with those illegal contracts with the OEMs protecting their monopoly. Nothing I've seen shows they can pull this off with much of any success. Burning their OEMs is worst for them than how they burned IBM back when they were partners.
so you smell a RaT? BTW, WinCE was very accurate and Microsoft's constant changing of API's and issues with the platform helped developers coin the name. That and as you mentioned, Microsoft's great ability to name things. lol
he has long been throwing Zunes I think. It seemed they were doing something but without the desktop position of Windows to lean on, they failed badly. He probably started throwing around Windows Mobile 6.5 phones too as that too was expensed with millions in marketing but sank badly. I wouldn't say Microsoft nor Ballmer has been sitting around only that they in historic fashion kept/keep failing when they can't leverage their desktop Windows position.
from what I've seen Medfield is only single core and only for phones and this discussion is about tablets. As before, they're near the ballpark but still pretty much in the bleachers and not really on the same playing field. Qualcomm's S4 at 28nm for example and that's just and a9. Performance wise, Intel could be said to be on the field with most of the ARM chips out but efficiency isn't quite there yet. I've read about a dual core once they move to 22nm but by then most of the ARM vendors will be on a15 or a7 and 28nm themselves.
I'm rather surprised Intel has not been able to jump right into the game and keeps taking little steps which are almost 100% due to process shrinks. Because of that, the heavy processor and other hardware tolls full Windows takes means it won't be an iPad or AndroidPad killer for some time. We know there have been Windows tablets out for decades so just another fat tablet or short runtime tablet does not make an iPad or AndroidPad killer. IMO
good point and valid as long as your failure rate after the die shrink plays in your favor. And history has shown that Intel hasn't dropped prices on CPU's on new processes when they first hit the market. They don't seem to be low balling their ARM competing chips as it is so they are already trying to do a balancing act to keep profits up. So far, they have had little success in the mobile devices sector so far. Talk is cheap though.
what do you mean by Windows 8? If you mean something to run x86 apps and stuff you're used to doing on a desktop then it's because it would need to be a huge tablet just to hold the hardware required and wouldn't be even close to an iPad in size. Windows RT is based on the Windows 8 code but with massive amounts of it cut out and just a bare minimum to run that newfangled interface as you called it. And since we all know there's not much software for that, this has to be tied to Microsoft Office and that's probably the gimmick they'll plug at this PR stunt on Monday.
And your question shows that people are already confused as to what Windows 8 is, isn't and what Windows RT is and isn't. Not good if you plan on selling enough for people to care. Remember the RIM tablet? Lots of people stayed away from that not because the OS stunk but because they didn't think it had a future. Windows RT? we'll see.
you'll have to wait until some super doper battery tech is invented then. x86 and Windows are not very kind to battery powered devices people are used to carrying around. Well, unless their is a shoulder strap involved. Or you can wait until Intel and others get below 20nm but even then the others will be that much lighter. Still, with sub 20nm and huge SSD's you might get something running the full x86 Windows APIs and services people can carry around without a shoulder strap but aren't we looking at close to 5 years for that?. IMO
or did they do this, decide to mfg their own tablet, because at those prices nobody wanted to make a WinRT based tablet and end up like Nokia? Yes I know some had announced they were planning a Windows tablet but we've also seen Microsoft on stage with vendors(HP) showing product before which didn't see daylight.
So why a Microsoft built tablet? Has Ballmer really gone chair throwing ape over Apples success? His attack on the iPod didn't go so well( hello Zune ). Nor did Windows Mobile 6.5 or their latest 2 year attempt with Windows Phone 7. So now a port of Windows 7 to ARM, a rejiggering of the Windows Phone UI framework for tablets along with no backwards compatibility and they're going after Apple? Steve B is looking at strike three it would seem. Maybe he thinks there is a huge pent up demand to do word processing on tablets and since they can't rely on the x86 Windows economy and compatibility they'll leverage their next best monopoly and that is in the business office suits. ie, Microsoft Office. Yup, that is my guess at the moment. It'll be all about running MS Office on a tablet and nobody wanted to touch that with a 10' pole so it had to be done by Microsoft themselves. And they probably 'leveraged' their XBox manufacturing partners to make it. Leveraged in quotes because they probably threatened to move the XBox production elsewhere if these were not sold to Microsoft at cost.
But as is usually the case with MS, the real details will remain a mystery until some court documents expose what really went on behind the scenes. It's almost always completely different from what they say in public. We're looking forward to Monday for a good laugh.
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the embedded space has used lots of PPC for years. Notice it stated SoC?
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The "Not cool guys." comment sounded like he wasn't thrilled they all dumped lots of fixes all at once. You know, like they were sitting on lots of changes and then, in concert, released everything before a release milestone. I doubt it has anything to do with binary footprints.
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yes, that exact scenario was found in a leaked internal Microsoft memo.
it goes along with how they will go and assign something like 12 Microsoft employees to handle, coach, and basically direct the author of an article on a Microsoft technology. This includes scripting questions and responses for those in phone or other contact with the author and the use of staff psychologists to make sure the article ends up the way Microsoft wants it. This all came from a mistake when they author of an article was mistakenly included on an email between these internal coaches.
I'm pretty sure Ballmer and Gates have read "The Innovator's Dilemma" too.
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they spent their existence letting others define the market and then they went in and leveraged their market position with desktop Windows and took the new market. they got lucky with a quick and cheap PC turned game console( Xbox ) and caught Sony going for the gold with a radical new design and therefore won early entry into the next gen console market. Only cost them a few 10s of billions which it'll take another 5+ years to recoup but they "won" that market in Ballmers eyes because they are now a player there. Everything else they've failed though.
So, where they can't leverage desktop Windows position what really do they have but Ballmers mouth saying they can pull it off? Not the billions and billions they've already spent and lost on all the other ventures. I guess they pulled some fancy financial work and wrote off $6 billion so they'll have a few billion to spread around and try to market their way into the phone and tablet segments.
I still see Ballmers head hitting a surface like device over and over again while saying 'son of a bitch...son of a bitch...'. or something like that.
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it's often easy to just change something in the design slightly or even just the wording of the patent to get it past the examiners. for instance, that example of the pinch gesture in 88 was just that, a gesture but one not using multi-"touch". Apple or someone could take that with a physical touching of a device interface and declare it unique and different.
the patent system is the new housing bubble.
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no idea of the OS let alone the version or even the protocol to transmit the config. What I do know is that these running the show ran this same show a dozen or so times before running this one, they run hundreds of shows per year. I doubt rs232 is what they used considering they had 4 barges along a few miles and out in the middle of San Diego Bay( video/pictures and article story told us that ). Probably some wireless transport.
as for BSOD's, we just saw the OS locking up on the MS Surface demo and XP BSOD'ing is not all that rare. No idea about Vista nor Windows 7 since any new machines just got those wiped off.
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it has implications for using small devices like the one demo'ed without a kbd and mouse. Things like a dynamic picture frame, your own media center console or even a form of kiosk and not need to put a touch interface on it.
Just because it looks like a PC you know and love, it does not mean it can only be that way.
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if it had them. Did you see the video and notice the solution shown did not remote the display and therefore required the user be close enough to see the computer display?
It could be handy for managing things like kiosks, picture frames, etc where you have a little GNU/Linux box driving a display without touch, kbd or mouse.
Getting it to work over Bluetooth shouldn't be too difficult for those wanting to do that instead of wifi or ethernet.
LoB
from what I read, they uploaded a configuration right before the show which sets the timing sequence for the entire show. On 3 out of the 4 launch systems which received the upload the control system immediately launched everything at once. The originating timing software could have saved a sequence file with incorrect seconds timing but what is obvious is that they do not test or validate the sequence file before accepting it. At the very least they don't check for out of bounds events like launching more than X number of mortars in Y seconds without validation.
They can blame it on the "device" but it looks like a software glitch and hopefully it's at the application level and not something like an OS BSOD. Wouldn't it suck if the uploaded sequence file crashed the app _and_ the OS and garbage went out to the trigger unit causing the simultaneous launch.
LoB
I was told this by a library employee a few years ago. And as if Microsoft has not crossed the legal line before in the name of protecting Windows market position.
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I was told this by a library employee. it explained why all the libraries I approached with a multi-headed Linux system solution for expanding seats and reducing energy costs said thanks but they use Windows.
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He is because his foundation pushes Microsoft software and lets those who sign on the dotted line know they are not supposed to use open source software.
Too bad his foundation doesn't stick to healthcare and even there they need to stay away from any computerization. He profits from those transactions because he owns stock in Microsoft.
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I suspect that the two of you have never seen or heard of the Asus Transformer or even using a bluetooth keyboard with a tablet.
I further suspect that this is really just Bill Gates helping protect Microsoft from the impending avalanche of users away from Microsoft Windows desktop computers.
LoB
I did notice that it wasn't until Obama threatened to investigate the increasingly high gas prices that the gas prices started to decline. Quite the coincidence I would say.
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we are talking about video drivers here and the drivers only work with the hardware from that company mentioned. Exactly what software should the OSS people purchase from AMD to get this support you think you know about?
figures, an AC...
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never turned on a partner before? As many others have stated, Microsoft is a company for profits and nothing stops them from doing what they decide is their direction to get those profits. laws or no laws, contracts or no contracts and surely nothing like how long you have been a partner matters.
The story here is not who was not told or how surprised they were, it's what they plan to do now they know they signed those exclusive contracts and now got burned by Microsoft themselves.
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because there's no longer any room for profits in the middle. But can Microsoft really pull this off? They are not anything like Apple and for decades their software has ridden on the coattails of being 'good enough' along with those illegal contracts with the OEMs protecting their monopoly. Nothing I've seen shows they can pull this off with much of any success. Burning their OEMs is worst for them than how they burned IBM back when they were partners.
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so you smell a RaT? BTW, WinCE was very accurate and Microsoft's constant changing of API's and issues with the platform helped developers coin the name. That and as you mentioned, Microsoft's great ability to name things. lol
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he has long been throwing Zunes I think. It seemed they were doing something but without the desktop position of Windows to lean on, they failed badly. He probably started throwing around Windows Mobile 6.5 phones too as that too was expensed with millions in marketing but sank badly. I wouldn't say Microsoft nor Ballmer has been sitting around only that they in historic fashion kept/keep failing when they can't leverage their desktop Windows position.
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lol, good catch and comeback.
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I was alluding to the breakthrough in cannabis powered battery technologies.
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from what I've seen Medfield is only single core and only for phones and this discussion is about tablets. As before, they're near the ballpark but still pretty much in the bleachers and not really on the same playing field. Qualcomm's S4 at 28nm for example and that's just and a9. Performance wise, Intel could be said to be on the field with most of the ARM chips out but efficiency isn't quite there yet. I've read about a dual core once they move to 22nm but by then most of the ARM vendors will be on a15 or a7 and 28nm themselves.
I'm rather surprised Intel has not been able to jump right into the game and keeps taking little steps which are almost 100% due to process shrinks. Because of that, the heavy processor and other hardware tolls full Windows takes means it won't be an iPad or AndroidPad killer for some time. We know there have been Windows tablets out for decades so just another fat tablet or short runtime tablet does not make an iPad or AndroidPad killer. IMO
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good point and valid as long as your failure rate after the die shrink plays in your favor. And history has shown that Intel hasn't dropped prices on CPU's on new processes when they first hit the market. They don't seem to be low balling their ARM competing chips as it is so they are already trying to do a balancing act to keep profits up. So far, they have had little success in the mobile devices sector so far. Talk is cheap though.
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what do you mean by Windows 8? If you mean something to run x86 apps and stuff you're used to doing on a desktop then it's because it would need to be a huge tablet just to hold the hardware required and wouldn't be even close to an iPad in size. Windows RT is based on the Windows 8 code but with massive amounts of it cut out and just a bare minimum to run that newfangled interface as you called it. And since we all know there's not much software for that, this has to be tied to Microsoft Office and that's probably the gimmick they'll plug at this PR stunt on Monday.
And your question shows that people are already confused as to what Windows 8 is, isn't and what Windows RT is and isn't. Not good if you plan on selling enough for people to care. Remember the RIM tablet? Lots of people stayed away from that not because the OS stunk but because they didn't think it had a future. Windows RT? we'll see.
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you'll have to wait until some super doper battery tech is invented then. x86 and Windows are not very kind to battery powered devices people are used to carrying around. Well, unless their is a shoulder strap involved. Or you can wait until Intel and others get below 20nm but even then the others will be that much lighter. Still, with sub 20nm and huge SSD's you might get something running the full x86 Windows APIs and services people can carry around without a shoulder strap but aren't we looking at close to 5 years for that?. IMO
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or did they do this, decide to mfg their own tablet, because at those prices nobody wanted to make a WinRT based tablet and end up like Nokia? Yes I know some had announced they were planning a Windows tablet but we've also seen Microsoft on stage with vendors(HP) showing product before which didn't see daylight.
So why a Microsoft built tablet? Has Ballmer really gone chair throwing ape over Apples success? His attack on the iPod didn't go so well( hello Zune ). Nor did Windows Mobile 6.5 or their latest 2 year attempt with Windows Phone 7. So now a port of Windows 7 to ARM, a rejiggering of the Windows Phone UI framework for tablets along with no backwards compatibility and they're going after Apple? Steve B is looking at strike three it would seem. Maybe he thinks there is a huge pent up demand to do word processing on tablets and since they can't rely on the x86 Windows economy and compatibility they'll leverage their next best monopoly and that is in the business office suits. ie, Microsoft Office. Yup, that is my guess at the moment. It'll be all about running MS Office on a tablet and nobody wanted to touch that with a 10' pole so it had to be done by Microsoft themselves. And they probably 'leveraged' their XBox manufacturing partners to make it. Leveraged in quotes because they probably threatened to move the XBox production elsewhere if these were not sold to Microsoft at cost.
But as is usually the case with MS, the real details will remain a mystery until some court documents expose what really went on behind the scenes. It's almost always completely different from what they say in public. We're looking forward to Monday for a good laugh.
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