I am not sure what your point is. you post 4 Quarters that have sales drops, and are trying to argue that because 3/4 of those the PC losses where higher *in* those quarters ignoring the fact that in the other quarter Apples sales dropped more than any Apple quarter.
As for publishing Apple Profits compared to what were Windows OEMs you tend to forget that both Intel and Microsoft have been on 70% Gross Margins for forever. Its still very much a Micro$oft world.
The bottom line is the halo effect is over your figures show that. Apple computers are simply overpriced. What is interesting is OEMs are turning to Chrome and Android on the Desktop, and are growing, they seen to think they can make money from this.
The point is that the Mac decline is not exactly surprising or alarming considering the whole market for PCs is tanking.
I'm surprised. Its like a little guilty secret. Mac sales are failing because they are pricing themselves out the market and they are only focused on the mobile market. Chrome OS is doing rather well on the PC. Going forward as Apple turn their (not your) General purpose computers into electronics, their sales will continue to erode.
Is your screen size too small to do a search before posting false information. Profits are simply falling YonY and by quarter from apples own financial statements.
yeah so dominate I get 3 customers in my no-Apple-product store walking out to go up to Best Buy for an iPad to every one who comes in for a 99 dollar Asus tablet.
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24253413 as you can see your figures are different from those in the real world where apples sales are down YonY 15% when the Market grew 60%. Samsung actually sold 4X the tablets of Asus (Samsung growing 280% and Asus growing 120%).
Again iPads Sales Down; Market Share Down in a growing market. I assume you stack shelves.
The difference between iPod at the time and every other mp3 player at the time was that no other player really rose in the market which could equal apples ecosystem and simplicity.
Ignoring that the iPod copied creative (they were successfully sued). Android has a larger ecosystem and is ahead on its OS(iOS7 goes a long way towards parity). I am not sure what point your trying to make. Again Samsung+Google are the iPod solution, by your own description of the iPod. Right now Apple is *sacrificing* market share for profits. That is the opposite of what apple did with the iPod.
You're right, that must be why Apple is doing so horribly bad in the computer market while HP, Dell, etc. are making money hand over fist.....
Oh Wait....
But Micro$oft (I wonder why Apple always forget Micro$oft) is making out like gangbusters despite Windows 8 with Intel making about 70% gross margins. Manufacturers are moving over to producing Android and Chrome to boost margins and are making a tidy 20%. Again this is little evidence to suggest that Apple will occupy the same niche in the Mobile market that it has in the computing market.
Personally though I don't rate company on how much profit it can make from me. I buy best value products from ethical companies.
Except Apples profits are falling, and their is no evidence that Apple being a niche product will work like it has in the PC market, and lots of evidence that it is going to struggle.
I think when PC sales worldwide drop by large percentages and and Apples dropped by fewer than the overall trend, then that is actually resulting in a larger market share for Apple overall. Just saying... that is what the actual numbers would seem to indicate.
Except actual numbers say no such thing:). Mac is down 2%; 22% and 5% YonY more by quarter. http://investor.apple.com/ PC sales show a drop of about 10% https://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2544115...basically mac sales are if anything dropping faster. Just Saying you should check your figures.
The 5S is aimed at the corporate and tech head market. The 5C is aimed at the "teens"
Bullshit. They are both squarely aimed at the consumer market, and that is exactly the right thing to do. Steve Balmer famously laughed of the iPhone as not suitable for the business market, his recent replacement thinks perhaps he should have thought differently.
Nothing like iPods, which occupied every price point, and locked competitors out of the market, and was a range of products. Apple is currently 13% of the market. Every other company has a "product range", only Apple insist on selling its old products as a product range...butting it in a cheap plastic case to improve margins has not changed that. Perhaps you are thinking of Samsung.
Seems to me that the iPhone is following the same path as the iPod
The iPod had a range of products at every price point in the market, backed with an exclusive music catalogue. with the media, and armies of fans of its techno hippy days. The iPhone/iPad both chose to go for profits over market share, by having one customer gouging product, and both are becoming niche products, that is a completely the opposite strategy of iPod...now if you were talking about samsung that have a range of products, that would be different.
Uh, you're just now tuning into the when will Apple fail meme that's about 20 years old?
20 Years!? you have no idea. this is the Video of steve Jobs in 1997 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WxOp5mBY9IY announcing Apple being rescued by Microsoft. This is what Steve Jobs thought "What ruined Apple was not growth They got very greedy Instead of following the original trajectory of the original vision, which was to make the thing an appliance and get this out there to as many people as possible they went for profits. They made outlandish profits for about four years. What this cost them was their future. What they should have been doing is making rational profits and going for market share.” many of us see the symmetry with Apple today. What we don't see is unlike the PC market Apple existing as a niche product.
Mac sales are failing even when the opposition is Windows 8 the most hated OS ever. Chrome OS that brought out he Pixel the best premium laptop on the market, is the only growth part of the market.
The bottom line is Android is not dominating the low end...even if you capitalise it. Its dominating the whole market. The sad reality is Apple only do mid-range phones, and this was their most disappointing launch yet.
Apple has shown time and again that, as far as the public is concerned, they know what they're doing.
Apple have shown time and again that they can maximise products in new markets by hoovering up all that ealier adopter money only to flouder in the maturing market. Steve Jobs Said. "What ruined Apple was not growth They got very greedy Instead of following the original trajectory of the original vision, which was to make the thing an appliance and get this out there to as many people as possible they went for profits. They made outlandish profits for about four years. What this cost them was their future. What they should have been doing is making rational profits and going for market share.”
The bottom line is Android now dominates in Tablets and Smartphones and Apple is relegated to niche product. I am not sure whether Apple will survive in the electronics market as a niche product.
The harsh reality is the 5C designed to fool consumers in the highly subsidised American market, but fooling those customers into believing they are buying a phone at half the price $99 vs $199 (That one dollar fools people:), when the unsubsidised price is $500 more.
Apple found customers were cannibalising their latest model with their older model is sells...rather than having a range and it was killing their legendary margins. The 5C is simply a a cheaper version (using plastic and sharing some components with the newer model phone) of the old model...while still maintaining margins, cementing unapologetically plastic phones(sic) like those made by Samsung as being cheap, while pushing people to the newer model (people are drawn to models with more).
So did apple make a same mistake by launching two phones...not if you were happy with the old strategy, or if you think plastic on the old phone is *cough* premium. The old model + new product line with high mark-ups does not work in countries where highly subsided phones do not exist, and their are cheap and plentiful (and I would say better) alternatives. We continue to the erosion of Apples Market share (and Profits, Brand value, Sales) and this strategy does not change that, as Apple is becoming a niche product whatever you think of that.
I always find it hilarious that Apple articles try to spin Apples floundering Mac sales are cannibalised by the iPad, When the iPad is selling *Less* that it did a year ago, in a growing tablet market. Android is dominating on the tablet, and Chrome is growing in the laptop? market.
The alternative was to keep the last-generation phone still around for quite some time as the lower-end device. This way, they are able to cater to the second-rate market while still giving them a refreshed device.
The alternative was having the old aluminium versions of the old phone rather than it being rebadged and put in a plastic case and having a "c" added to the end, many people think that is a step back. I am not sure who is fooled.
Sometimes I wish Apple was a private company and didn't have to look over the shoulder at "investors".
They had the largest shareprice drop since year start in one day. The reason was 1. Because they didn't announce a deal with China Mobile and 2. Because they don't have a competitive phone in that market...they thought that would be the iPhone 5C they were wrong.
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/07/30/2322253/google-argues-against-net-neutrality its a dupe. Its the same dumb points from anonymous cowards. Google want to charge businesses for attaching servers to the internet...and yet this has been twisted into a Net Neutrality argument, by changing the definition of Net Neutrality "discriminating or charging differentially by user, content, site, platform, application, type of attached equipment, and modes of communication" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality . I'm just shocked its not an Ars Technica...maybe they are still defending the iPhone launch.
Its middle management that has always "Destroyed"(sic) the music business, at a casual glance at the charts, irrespective of your personal favourite decade and personal music snobbery. We have been selling groups on looks over talent since forever. This has not changed. I find it kind of insulting that the article lumps both musician and record companies together. With the record companies weakened it puts talent on equal par with whatever twerking child karaoke star of this week, and that is a good thing if they "work". There is no shortage of good live talent...the answer is always go see them, and can be pretty cheap, and will make for a better memory.
Seeing how they can still sell the game after, I think he could do better on (digital-only) pledges.
I have been priced off kickstarter (at least for games) which used to be more reasonable about my support, where I could afford to have little expectation, and the possibility of getting a lot for my money. Now I have stopped looking at all.
My money will go to Humble Bundle 9 https://www.humblebundle.com/ which currently includes FTL, Fez and Trine 2 and others(the weekly bundle is Duke Nuken 3D and Shadow Warrior with DLC which is better than the original games). In contrast Humble Bundle has hit $2million already with another 11 days to go.
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Yeah, I mean, give Apple a break. They only did,...
Nothing recently, and when all your cash is in high margin early adopter markets, and your current markets are saturated, with stronger competitors, well they needed something better than what happened this 10th
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How is Android ecosystem larger?
They have more Applications on more devices at more price points with features to match all consumers needs.
So I mean by every measurable metric.
I am not sure what your point is. you post 4 Quarters that have sales drops, and are trying to argue that because 3/4 of those the PC losses where higher *in* those quarters ignoring the fact that in the other quarter Apples sales dropped more than any Apple quarter.
As for publishing Apple Profits compared to what were Windows OEMs you tend to forget that both Intel and Microsoft have been on 70% Gross Margins for forever. Its still very much a Micro$oft world.
The bottom line is the halo effect is over your figures show that. Apple computers are simply overpriced. What is interesting is OEMs are turning to Chrome and Android on the Desktop, and are growing, they seen to think they can make money from this.
The point is that the Mac decline is not exactly surprising or alarming considering the whole market for PCs is tanking.
I'm surprised. Its like a little guilty secret. Mac sales are failing because they are pricing themselves out the market and they are only focused on the mobile market. Chrome OS is doing rather well on the PC. Going forward as Apple turn their (not your) General purpose computers into electronics, their sales will continue to erode.
Except Apples profits are falling
IIRC (I don't have the figures in front of me), it is their profit growth that is falling, not their profits themselves.
Dan Aris
Last two quarters
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/07/23Apple-Reports-Third-Quarter-Results.html
"The Company posted quarterly revenue of $35.3 billion and quarterly net profit of $6.9 billion, or $7.47 per diluted share. These results compare to revenue of $35 billion and net profit of $8.8 billion"
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/04/23Apple-Reports-Second-Quarter-Results.html
"The Company posted quarterly revenue of $43.6 billion and quarterly net profit of $9.5 billion, or $10.09 per diluted share. These results compare to revenue of $39.2 billion and net profit of $11.6 billion,"
Is your screen size too small to do a search before posting false information. Profits are simply falling YonY and by quarter from apples own financial statements.
Apple's tiny 13%? Who is the leader? It's not like someone has 60% and Apple has "only" 13%.
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24257413 is the screen too small to search properly. For your information Android has 80% with Samsung being double Apple.
yeah so dominate I get 3 customers in my no-Apple-product store walking out to go up to Best Buy for an iPad to every one who comes in for a 99 dollar Asus tablet.
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24253413 as you can see your figures are different from those in the real world where apples sales are down YonY 15% when the Market grew 60%. Samsung actually sold 4X the tablets of Asus (Samsung growing 280% and Asus growing 120%).
Again iPads Sales Down; Market Share Down in a growing market. I assume you stack shelves.
The difference between iPod at the time and every other mp3 player at the time was that no other player really rose in the market which could equal apples ecosystem and simplicity.
Ignoring that the iPod copied creative (they were successfully sued). Android has a larger ecosystem and is ahead on its OS(iOS7 goes a long way towards parity). I am not sure what point your trying to make. Again Samsung+Google are the iPod solution, by your own description of the iPod. Right now Apple is *sacrificing* market share for profits. That is the opposite of what apple did with the iPod.
You're right, that must be why Apple is doing so horribly bad in the computer market while HP, Dell, etc. are making money hand over fist.....
Oh Wait....
But Micro$oft (I wonder why Apple always forget Micro$oft) is making out like gangbusters despite Windows 8 with Intel making about 70% gross margins. Manufacturers are moving over to producing Android and Chrome to boost margins and are making a tidy 20%. Again this is little evidence to suggest that Apple will occupy the same niche in the Mobile market that it has in the computing market.
Personally though I don't rate company on how much profit it can make from me. I buy best value products from ethical companies.
Their profits continue to grow.
Apple has always been a "niche product."
Except Apples profits are falling, and their is no evidence that Apple being a niche product will work like it has in the PC market, and lots of evidence that it is going to struggle.
I think when PC sales worldwide drop by large percentages and and Apples dropped by fewer than the overall trend, then that is actually resulting in a larger market share for Apple overall. Just saying ... that is what the actual numbers would seem to indicate.
Except actual numbers say no such thing :). Mac is down 2%; 22% and 5% YonY more by quarter. http://investor.apple.com/ PC sales show a drop of about 10% https://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2544115 ...basically mac sales are if anything dropping faster. Just Saying you should check your figures.
The 5S is aimed at the corporate and tech head market. The 5C is aimed at the "teens"
Bullshit. They are both squarely aimed at the consumer market, and that is exactly the right thing to do. Steve Balmer famously laughed of the iPhone as not suitable for the business market, his recent replacement thinks perhaps he should have thought differently.
Just like the iPods before.
Nothing like iPods, which occupied every price point, and locked competitors out of the market, and was a range of products. Apple is currently 13% of the market. Every other company has a "product range", only Apple insist on selling its old products as a product range...butting it in a cheap plastic case to improve margins has not changed that. Perhaps you are thinking of Samsung.
Seems to me that the iPhone is following the same path as the iPod
The iPod had a range of products at every price point in the market, backed with an exclusive music catalogue. with the media, and armies of fans of its techno hippy days. The iPhone/iPad both chose to go for profits over market share, by having one customer gouging product, and both are becoming niche products, that is a completely the opposite strategy of iPod...now if you were talking about samsung that have a range of products, that would be different.
Uh, you're just now tuning into the when will Apple fail meme that's about 20 years old?
20 Years!? you have no idea. this is the Video of steve Jobs in 1997 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WxOp5mBY9IY announcing Apple being rescued by Microsoft. This is what Steve Jobs thought "What ruined Apple was not growth They got very greedy Instead of following the original trajectory of the original vision, which was to make the thing an appliance and get this out there to as many people as possible they went for profits. They made outlandish profits for about four years. What this cost them was their future. What they should have been doing is making rational profits and going for market share.” many of us see the symmetry with Apple today. What we don't see is unlike the PC market Apple existing as a niche product.
Mac sales are failing even when the opposition is Windows 8 the most hated OS ever. Chrome OS that brought out he Pixel the best premium laptop on the market, is the only growth part of the market.
The bottom line is Android is not dominating the low end...even if you capitalise it. Its dominating the whole market. The sad reality is Apple only do mid-range phones, and this was their most disappointing launch yet.
Apple has shown time and again that, as far as the public is concerned, they know what they're doing.
Apple have shown time and again that they can maximise products in new markets by hoovering up all that ealier adopter money only to flouder in the maturing market. Steve Jobs Said. "What ruined Apple was not growth They got very greedy Instead of following the original trajectory of the original vision, which was to make the thing an appliance and get this out there to as many people as possible they went for profits. They made outlandish profits for about four years. What this cost them was their future. What they should have been doing is making rational profits and going for market share.”
The bottom line is Android now dominates in Tablets and Smartphones and Apple is relegated to niche product. I am not sure whether Apple will survive in the electronics market as a niche product.
The harsh reality is the 5C designed to fool consumers in the highly subsidised American market, but fooling those customers into believing they are buying a phone at half the price $99 vs $199 (That one dollar fools people :), when the unsubsidised price is $500 more.
Apple found customers were cannibalising their latest model with their older model is sells...rather than having a range and it was killing their legendary margins. The 5C is simply a a cheaper version (using plastic and sharing some components with the newer model phone) of the old model...while still maintaining margins, cementing unapologetically plastic phones(sic) like those made by Samsung as being cheap, while pushing people to the newer model (people are drawn to models with more).
So did apple make a same mistake by launching two phones...not if you were happy with the old strategy, or if you think plastic on the old phone is *cough* premium. The old model + new product line with high mark-ups does not work in countries where highly subsided phones do not exist, and their are cheap and plentiful (and I would say better) alternatives. We continue to the erosion of Apples Market share (and Profits, Brand value, Sales) and this strategy does not change that, as Apple is becoming a niche product whatever you think of that.
I always find it hilarious that Apple articles try to spin Apples floundering Mac sales are cannibalised by the iPad, When the iPad is selling *Less* that it did a year ago, in a growing tablet market. Android is dominating on the tablet, and Chrome is growing in the laptop? market.
The alternative was to keep the last-generation phone still around for quite some time as the lower-end device. This way, they are able to cater to the second-rate market while still giving them a refreshed device.
The alternative was having the old aluminium versions of the old phone rather than it being rebadged and put in a plastic case and having a "c" added to the end, many people think that is a step back. I am not sure who is fooled.
Sometimes I wish Apple was a private company and didn't have to look over the shoulder at "investors".
They had the largest shareprice drop since year start in one day. The reason was 1. Because they didn't announce a deal with China Mobile and 2. Because they don't have a competitive phone in that market...they thought that would be the iPhone 5C they were wrong.
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/07/30/2322253/google-argues-against-net-neutrality its a dupe. Its the same dumb points from anonymous cowards. Google want to charge businesses for attaching servers to the internet...and yet this has been twisted into a Net Neutrality argument, by changing the definition of Net Neutrality "discriminating or charging differentially by user, content, site, platform, application, type of attached equipment, and modes of communication" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality . I'm just shocked its not an Ars Technica...maybe they are still defending the iPhone launch.
Its middle management that has always "Destroyed"(sic) the music business, at a casual glance at the charts, irrespective of your personal favourite decade and personal music snobbery. We have been selling groups on looks over talent since forever. This has not changed. I find it kind of insulting that the article lumps both musician and record companies together. With the record companies weakened it puts talent on equal par with whatever twerking child karaoke star of this week, and that is a good thing if they "work". There is no shortage of good live talent...the answer is always go see them, and can be pretty cheap, and will make for a better memory.
$30 for the game?
$10 only gets you a star name?
Seeing how they can still sell the game after, I think he could do better on (digital-only) pledges.
I have been priced off kickstarter (at least for games) which used to be more reasonable about my support, where I could afford to have little expectation, and the possibility of getting a lot for my money. Now I have stopped looking at all.
My money will go to Humble Bundle 9 https://www.humblebundle.com/ which currently includes FTL, Fez and Trine 2 and others(the weekly bundle is Duke Nuken 3D and Shadow Warrior with DLC which is better than the original games). In contrast Humble Bundle has hit $2million already with another 11 days to go.
Bitching about Mod points http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4144955&cid=44708261 "To the person that modded me down, I know my opinion is not a popular one. I'm open to debate. However, you should be using your mod points to bump up good comments and modding down off-topic or blatantly offensive messages, not opinions you disagree with. " that is a first world problem :)
Yeah, I mean, give Apple a break. They only did,...
Nothing recently, and when all your cash is in high margin early adopter markets, and your current markets are saturated, with stronger competitors, well they needed something better than what happened this 10th