I am a little confused at the real point of this story this is not about rioting of abusing child workers. Students "worldwide" working are routinely treated badly in a work placement. Personally I love the idea of future designers and engineers working on a production line. I can't help but think of the vast differences between the notoriously difficult to manufacture iPhone and the designed to be assembled Moto X.
Microsoft is an abusive, customer hostile company that deserves to be hated. The reality is it isn't. People are fickle, and right now Microsoft is one disappointment after another...
Heh. The sad thing is that if you swap the names Google or Apple into that statement (or any of a number of other obvious names), it would hold just about as much truth.
Except its not even remotely true. Google move from strength to strength, and Apple are immune to criticism. Microsoft is surrounded by failure both in its traditional "monopoly" market windows and its new markets "products and services". Ballmer got stabbed in the front by Bill "my charity is better than yours" Gates "I don't have to pay tax". Its Xbone launch was anti-gamer.
Want Proof....http://www.interbrand.com/en/best-global-brands/2013/Best-Global-Brands-2013.aspx Apple is considered the top brand...Google the top riser.(Microsoft did rise a smigin though;)
can't even watch a fucking youtube video...chrome and ie for the win.
Ironically changes come at the expense of Chrome. Ignoring the fact that most users manage quite nicely to play videos on youtube, and it is unlikely that Google would not ensure that Firefox works well with youtube. Youtube has a HTML5 trial http://www.youtube.com/html5 , and it works great. In other news the firefox team is working towards a Flash replacement "Shumway" http://www.areweflashyet.com/shumway/
It looks like youtube is a reason for using Firefox not against, As for your hardware flash is fast enough to run on anything but an iPhone;)
trends to visibly change around the release date of a browser is naive at best.
That is not what I said. My point is that if a better(sic) browser was the reason for the years of Internet Explorer market decrease ironically despite vastly better browsers on the market, but it to happen it happen thirteen months after launch is inconceivable...people do not suddenly start getting old products without some catalyst for change, as even you claim the launch of the new version wasn't one(You go further claiming it couldn't be)
The bottom line is the catalyst for change is somewhere else. I suspect that Internet Explorer sudden change of fortune, is a side effect of another change.
If your answer includes "Microsoft is Hated" as a reason for anything you are right to not register here. Ignoring the fact that you sound like a sulky 16 year old girl. The mix here is far from being Linux and Apple centric. Microsoft is an abusive, customer hostile company that deserves to be hated. The reality is it isn't. People are fickle, and right now Microsoft is one disappointment after another...but that would not stop them using IE. If it wants to be loved, producing decent products would be a good start.
The answer is unlikely to be a new version of IE (one over a year old and one unrealsed)..."better" is just another unmeasurable "meh" it does not cut it here, or anywhere. It is still vastly behind, platform centric option. If IE10 was any good (IE11 not yet released) it would have started making traction 13 months ago...not now.
"When you're dying of malaria, I suppose you'll look up and see that balloon, and I'm not sure how it'll help you. When a kid gets diarrhoea, no, there's no website that relieves that,"
Not seeing this helping people dying of Malaria either.
Its difficult to take anything seriously from Ars. They are unashamedly a pro Apple site. They have a dedicated Apple section(seriously they only make 5 products) , but no Android/Linux/Google One they actually closed there open source section. They outinely publish articles redefining "open"...meaning closed. Their latest discovery on benchmark *cough* optimising was to to call *all* manufacturers cheats...and Apple a saint??? It was insane. I am really interested in a smartwatch...and there are lots of options with great ideas, but Ars won't find any of them as good as the vapour-ware Apple product.
If anyone is still wondering why the Desktop(Including Surface) is struggling...Hint its not the iPad; That is an incredibly powerful device for very little money. Why is nobody but Google reinventing the PC after Microsoft/Apple dropped the ball?
Is like a broken Coke machine . . . maybe if they keep putting one more quarter in it, they'll finally get a cool refreshing drink . ..
I am astonished they didn't al least take the opportunity to drop the price of the pro and create a mini pro at $200. Anything else is waiting another year to enter the tablet market. To come up with a different strategy is going to take time.
I have always found it astonishing about Microsofts Hard on for search, maybe that incident involving "Destroy Google"; chair throwing is understated, Maybe Ballmer never recovered. Google clearly are aware that search is just one portal on the internet, and real threats are Facebook and Amazon, and has strategies against them, and (limited?) success against them has been hard won. Yet Microsoft have *nothing* in these spaces,
Memories fade, but the comments Steve made about the iPhone, where about his misunderstanding that the iPhone as a "consumer product" at stupidly high prices. The iPhone only flourished through the high subsidy model in America (to maintain lock-in to carriers) and some parts of Europe. Leaving them with a model that gives them 40% in America, a third of Europe and no sales anywhere else (A kind description).
He also overestimated the importance of a keyboard...because of email (in business) on a phone, without understanding the trade-off. The trade-off against apps was something that did not exist, and was not planned by Apple, in fact looked down upon by Jobs.
The real irony of the interview is his inability to reflect on his mistakes, decided to chase Apple in the American market with a keyboard-less tasteless clone. Rather have a every price range; optional keyboard; world phone. It was a strategy which cost Microsoft 10% market share and Nokia 40%. The sad fact is the limited success with the windows phone is on its bottom end phones, out of America.
And are you sure Jolla strives to ocuppy the $50 dollars phone market?
If you had $500 to buy a phone, what would you choose?
Nothing even close to $500 most of the phones only a idiot would pay anything close to that. I have been looking at are around the $200, but I am waiting to see what the Nexus 5 looks like, but I don't have a contract so I'm really not in a rush.
The bottom line is why should an OS not fit on a $50 and $500 phone...Android is already there.
I presume the relevant issue is that no US carriers will support it?
...That sort of stupid logic is what ironically killed Nokia. Its even more ironic seeing Apple shares plummet (yes Again) at news that it failed to launch a cheap (to the consumer at least) phone on network with 740Million subscribers.
Personally though I'm wondering when the American carriers will cut Apple of at the knees.
I am confused why not you should see it it looks pretty good. There are still Billions of users still on feature Phones. Microsoft has insisted that their is a need for a third OS in the Market. There is no reason why this shouldn't be the one, and unlike many of the pretenders it has 1Million Applications on launch. It sounds to me like an ideal phone for those wanting a massive application support without Google giving Sailfish a major advantage of many pretenders. Currently Apple are only selling 13% of its phones...and is only common in America(I know UK and couple of other countries), and Microsoft only managed 3% after years...its rumoured to suffer this quarter, and bought Nokia before the move to Android. This is not the PC market it could all change in a couple of years. More than anything its proved there is an interest in these phones.
Why do Linux desktop/window manager developers want to emulate Microsoft windows? If you want to steal things try and steal from someone like Apple, please.
There is no Linux windows manager that follows a tile/wiget/wall paradigm. Apple OSX is basically the old desktop paradigm which is the same as Gnome+Cinnamon; XFCE; KDE etc etc although is starting to go iOS round the edges.
Don't care about Wayland. I gave Intel my money, and in return they have 30 Developers, that have given me an astonishing return on my hardware. Hell they can still use X as far as I'm concerned.
I do care about the Gnome Shell and how to kill it with fire...I currently use Cinnamon, but do not want to continue to patch my Desktop , and I do care if Gnome is going to (continue) to cripple my Desktop experience. these two articles http://worldofgnome.org/gnome-upcoming-features/http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/gnome-core-app-project-make-me-excited-for-desktop-linux show off the new core applications Maps, Music, Photos, Software & Calendar...ans they look great, only it looks like oversized icons/Buttons; "not over-burdened with features"; "built around the premise of ‘finding and reminding’ you of your files". Yeah I am nervous too.
How about they expand on evince(a fantastic program on any platform) by giving it epub compatibility. Rhythmbox has just been updated codename "I Eat Tapes" http://worldofgnome.org/rhythmbox-3-0-is-eating-the-tapes/ which is looking great after being much neglected for Banshee(Which was great) in the Mono push to satisfy some self serving... anyway great; modern looking; desktop app, not even mentioned. Hopefully I can finally get rid of the awesome Tomboy notes with Notes(Bijiben) ready so I can ditch Mono altogether (Cue that self serving prick to spout crap to retain reverence soon).
The bottom line is I don't want my Desktop experience Tabletified. There is a great hybrid touch/keyboard+mouse interface in here somewhere, and some great ideas, but my main computer is not about find...its about organising files not search; Sensible user of a 24" screen and accurate pointing devices (and I include pen too); Feature rich presented sensibly with good defaults...only removing unnecessary "options". There is something great here, but Gnome is taking too long at fitting the pieces together.
I am little confused what has Microsoft laughable failure in the Mobile Market got to do with its massive profits in still makes from its Monopoly in desktop.
I am also confused why instead of mentioning Google? why you mention HTC and Motorola. Motorola does not Appear in the top ten Android manufacturers, and HTC is 10th, and is also a windows phone manufacturer. Coolpad/Yulong; Sony; ZTE; Huawei; Lenovo; LG all sell more phones than both these companies and are doing very nicely....But even more so what this has to do with Chrome and Android on the Desktop?
The bottom line is other companies are unlike apple growing profits.
Linux as itself is pretty much unusable by most of the population. Everything is patch over patch over old support of things that shouldn't exist any more. Linux need a BIG, HUGE cleanup before people can start working with it.
Linux since Windows 8 is definitely more usable, and always has had the advantage of being incredible easy to maintain. On Linux nothing is patched, almost everything is recompiled at the next release which can be often as six months. Everything needed fits on a CD.
Also price is also very similar. One can get android devices for zero money down, one can get iphones for zero money down at least in the US. Or one can pay roughly the same for a iphone 5 or Galaxy 4s at the upper end of things.
If by a larger ecosystem you are meaning Applications, I would say that Applications, once you are verging on 600k apps in both app stores is a rather meaningless metric.
Except its not true. Apple is only similar in price if its masked with the massive subsidy on a two year contract...which is basically the American Market (In China its $700 vs $130). That is the whole point why its share place had its largest drop since year start everywhere else the iPhone is simply overpriced and looks stupid in markets with little or no subsidy, and this panicked investors. In contect of this Article they think Apple is making a Mistake
I find it hilarious that now Android has more Applications is a meaningless metric.
Either way you seem to be adding nothing to the discussion and your points are increasingly off tangent, and quite frankly insane
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I am a little confused at the real point of this story this is not about rioting of abusing child workers. Students "worldwide" working are routinely treated badly in a work placement. Personally I love the idea of future designers and engineers working on a production line. I can't help but think of the vast differences between the notoriously difficult to manufacture iPhone and the designed to be assembled Moto X.
http://html5test.com/results/desktop.html
Chrome score 463
Firefox score 414
Internet Explorer 10 scores 320(Internet explorer 8 XP users trapped on scores 42)
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/chrome-27-firefox-21-opera-next,3534-12.html which benchmarks the various browsers extensively gives
Firefox score 326
Chrome score of 326
Internet Explorer 182
observed Linux zealots and so-called "advocates" lying, spreading FUD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft list of criticisms, heavily documented.
Heh. The sad thing is that if you swap the names Google or Apple into that statement (or any of a number of other obvious names), it would hold just about as much truth.
Except its not even remotely true. Google move from strength to strength, and Apple are immune to criticism. Microsoft is surrounded by failure both in its traditional "monopoly" market windows and its new markets "products and services". Ballmer got stabbed in the front by Bill "my charity is better than yours" Gates "I don't have to pay tax". Its Xbone launch was anti-gamer.
Want Proof....http://www.interbrand.com/en/best-global-brands/2013/Best-Global-Brands-2013.aspx Apple is considered the top brand...Google the top riser.(Microsoft did rise a smigin though ;)
can't even watch a fucking youtube video...chrome and ie for the win.
Ironically changes come at the expense of Chrome. Ignoring the fact that most users manage quite nicely to play videos on youtube, and it is unlikely that Google would not ensure that Firefox works well with youtube. Youtube has a HTML5 trial http://www.youtube.com/html5 , and it works great. In other news the firefox team is working towards a Flash replacement "Shumway" http://www.areweflashyet.com/shumway/
It looks like youtube is a reason for using Firefox not against, As for your hardware flash is fast enough to run on anything but an iPhone ;)
trends to visibly change around the release date of a browser is naive at best.
That is not what I said. My point is that if a better(sic) browser was the reason for the years of Internet Explorer market decrease ironically despite vastly better browsers on the market, but it to happen it happen thirteen months after launch is inconceivable...people do not suddenly start getting old products without some catalyst for change, as even you claim the launch of the new version wasn't one(You go further claiming it couldn't be)
The bottom line is the catalyst for change is somewhere else. I suspect that Internet Explorer sudden change of fortune, is a side effect of another change.
...the crowd here hate anything MS...
If your answer includes "Microsoft is Hated" as a reason for anything you are right to not register here. Ignoring the fact that you sound like a sulky 16 year old girl. The mix here is far from being Linux and Apple centric. Microsoft is an abusive, customer hostile company that deserves to be hated. The reality is it isn't. People are fickle, and right now Microsoft is one disappointment after another...but that would not stop them using IE. If it wants to be loved, producing decent products would be a good start.
The answer is unlikely to be a new version of IE (one over a year old and one unrealsed)..."better" is just another unmeasurable "meh" it does not cut it here, or anywhere. It is still vastly behind, platform centric option. If IE10 was any good (IE11 not yet released) it would have started making traction 13 months ago...not now.
http://www.w3counter.com/trends
http://gs.statcounter.com/
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=1&qpcustomb=0
There is an unexplained trend upwards in Internet Explorer
"When you're dying of malaria, I suppose you'll look up and see that balloon, and I'm not sure how it'll help you. When a kid gets diarrhoea, no, there's no website that relieves that,"
Not seeing this helping people dying of Malaria either.
Its difficult to take anything seriously from Ars. They are unashamedly a pro Apple site. They have a dedicated Apple section(seriously they only make 5 products) , but no Android/Linux/Google One they actually closed there open source section. They outinely publish articles redefining "open"...meaning closed. Their latest discovery on benchmark *cough* optimising was to to call *all* manufacturers cheats...and Apple a saint??? It was insane. I am really interested in a smartwatch...and there are lots of options with great ideas, but Ars won't find any of them as good as the vapour-ware Apple product.
If anyone is still wondering why the Desktop(Including Surface) is struggling...Hint its not the iPad; That is an incredibly powerful device for very little money. Why is nobody but Google reinventing the PC after Microsoft/Apple dropped the ball?
Now that Clang/LLVM has got this finished, I'm wondering what a system would look like with:
... * Clang/LLVM as the system C/C++ compiler
Slower
Is like a broken Coke machine . . . maybe if they keep putting one more quarter in it, they'll finally get a cool refreshing drink . . .
I am astonished they didn't al least take the opportunity to drop the price of the pro and create a mini pro at $200. Anything else is waiting another year to enter the tablet market. To come up with a different strategy is going to take time.
"This isn't an iPad 2" and "This isn't an iPad 2 pro".
The iPad Market share of tablets is shrinking (down to 30%), they actual sell less than last year. Android are now dominant in tablets.
Current share from IDC http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24253413
I love reading all the pissing and moaning comments. Last time I looked Apple was number one in customer satisfaction.
http://ondeviceresearch.com/blog/iphone-5-ranked-fifth-in-user-satisfaction%2C-behind-four-android-powered-devices#sthash.sahmO01X.dpbs here is the iPhone coming 5th behind four android models.
I have always found it astonishing about Microsofts Hard on for search, maybe that incident involving "Destroy Google"; chair throwing is understated, Maybe Ballmer never recovered. Google clearly are aware that search is just one portal on the internet, and real threats are Facebook and Amazon, and has strategies against them, and (limited?) success against them has been hard won. Yet Microsoft have *nothing* in these spaces,
Memories fade, but the comments Steve made about the iPhone, where about his misunderstanding that the iPhone as a "consumer product" at stupidly high prices. The iPhone only flourished through the high subsidy model in America (to maintain lock-in to carriers) and some parts of Europe. Leaving them with a model that gives them 40% in America, a third of Europe and no sales anywhere else (A kind description).
He also overestimated the importance of a keyboard...because of email (in business) on a phone, without understanding the trade-off. The trade-off against apps was something that did not exist, and was not planned by Apple, in fact looked down upon by Jobs.
The real irony of the interview is his inability to reflect on his mistakes, decided to chase Apple in the American market with a keyboard-less tasteless clone. Rather have a every price range; optional keyboard; world phone. It was a strategy which cost Microsoft 10% market share and Nokia 40%. The sad fact is the limited success with the windows phone is on its bottom end phones, out of America.
And are you sure Jolla strives to ocuppy the $50 dollars phone market?
If you had $500 to buy a phone, what would you choose?
Nothing even close to $500 most of the phones only a idiot would pay anything close to that. I have been looking at are around the $200, but I am waiting to see what the Nexus 5 looks like, but I don't have a contract so I'm really not in a rush.
The bottom line is why should an OS not fit on a $50 and $500 phone...Android is already there.
I presume the relevant issue is that no US carriers will support it?
...That sort of stupid logic is what ironically killed Nokia. Its even more ironic seeing Apple shares plummet (yes Again) at news that it failed to launch a cheap (to the consumer at least) phone on network with 740Million subscribers.
Personally though I'm wondering when the American carriers will cut Apple of at the knees.
It is a shame this will never be mainstream.
I am confused why not you should see it it looks pretty good. There are still Billions of users still on feature Phones. Microsoft has insisted that their is a need for a third OS in the Market. There is no reason why this shouldn't be the one, and unlike many of the pretenders it has 1Million Applications on launch. It sounds to me like an ideal phone for those wanting a massive application support without Google giving Sailfish a major advantage of many pretenders. Currently Apple are only selling 13% of its phones...and is only common in America(I know UK and couple of other countries), and Microsoft only managed 3% after years...its rumoured to suffer this quarter, and bought Nokia before the move to Android. This is not the PC market it could all change in a couple of years. More than anything its proved there is an interest in these phones.
Why do Linux desktop/window manager developers want to emulate Microsoft windows? If you want to steal things try and steal from someone like Apple, please.
There is no Linux windows manager that follows a tile/wiget/wall paradigm. Apple OSX is basically the old desktop paradigm which is the same as Gnome+Cinnamon; XFCE; KDE etc etc although is starting to go iOS round the edges.
Don't care about Wayland. I gave Intel my money, and in return they have 30 Developers, that have given me an astonishing return on my hardware. Hell they can still use X as far as I'm concerned.
I do care about the Gnome Shell and how to kill it with fire...I currently use Cinnamon, but do not want to continue to patch my Desktop , and I do care if Gnome is going to (continue) to cripple my Desktop experience. these two articles http://worldofgnome.org/gnome-upcoming-features/ http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/gnome-core-app-project-make-me-excited-for-desktop-linux show off the new core applications Maps, Music, Photos, Software & Calendar...ans they look great, only it looks like oversized icons/Buttons; "not over-burdened with features"; "built around the premise of ‘finding and reminding’ you of your files". Yeah I am nervous too.
How about they expand on evince(a fantastic program on any platform) by giving it epub compatibility. Rhythmbox has just been updated codename "I Eat Tapes" http://worldofgnome.org/rhythmbox-3-0-is-eating-the-tapes/ which is looking great after being much neglected for Banshee(Which was great) in the Mono push to satisfy some self serving... anyway great; modern looking; desktop app, not even mentioned. Hopefully I can finally get rid of the awesome Tomboy notes with Notes(Bijiben) ready so I can ditch Mono altogether (Cue that self serving prick to spout crap to retain reverence soon).
The bottom line is I don't want my Desktop experience Tabletified. There is a great hybrid touch/keyboard+mouse interface in here somewhere, and some great ideas, but my main computer is not about find...its about organising files not search; Sensible user of a 24" screen and accurate pointing devices (and I include pen too); Feature rich presented sensibly with good defaults...only removing unnecessary "options". There is something great here, but Gnome is taking too long at fitting the pieces together.
I am little confused what has Microsoft laughable failure in the Mobile Market got to do with its massive profits in still makes from its Monopoly in desktop.
I am also confused why instead of mentioning Google? why you mention HTC and Motorola. Motorola does not Appear in the top ten Android manufacturers, and HTC is 10th, and is also a windows phone manufacturer. Coolpad/Yulong; Sony; ZTE; Huawei; Lenovo; LG all sell more phones than both these companies and are doing very nicely....But even more so what this has to do with Chrome and Android on the Desktop?
The bottom line is other companies are unlike apple growing profits.
Linux as itself is pretty much unusable by most of the population. Everything is patch over patch over old support of things that shouldn't exist any more. Linux need a BIG, HUGE cleanup before people can start working with it.
Linux since Windows 8 is definitely more usable, and always has had the advantage of being incredible easy to maintain. On Linux nothing is patched, almost everything is recompiled at the next release which can be often as six months. Everything needed fits on a CD.
Also price is also very similar. One can get android devices for zero money down, one can get iphones for zero money down at least in the US. Or one can pay roughly the same for a iphone 5 or Galaxy 4s at the upper end of things.
If by a larger ecosystem you are meaning Applications, I would say that Applications, once you are verging on 600k apps in both app stores is a rather meaningless metric.
Except its not true. Apple is only similar in price if its masked with the massive subsidy on a two year contract...which is basically the American Market (In China its $700 vs $130). That is the whole point why its share place had its largest drop since year start everywhere else the iPhone is simply overpriced and looks stupid in markets with little or no subsidy, and this panicked investors. In contect of this Article they think Apple is making a Mistake
I find it hilarious that now Android has more Applications is a meaningless metric.
Either way you seem to be adding nothing to the discussion and your points are increasingly off tangent, and quite frankly insane