I actually don't understand what the issue is... It seems to be "wha wha wha, apple leaves the money it makes in other countries in those countries, rather than bringing it into the US"... It seems to me that apple is perfectly entitled to do that.
It's certainly nothing compared to google's "We don't sell anything in the UK, it's all in Ireland, honest" bullshit.
Apple's subsidiaries, located in Ireland, paid a mere 0.05 per cent in tax on $22bn in revenues.
You get 5 and insightful...there is nothing worth discussing here.
tuppe666 is posting nearly 10% of responses on defending Google, telling you're not getting paid! cha-ching
People who are paid, are incredibly easy to spot. The purpose is not to argue, or discuss...flame or win...spell correctly and don't swear. Its to convince *the Public* that your product is better...mainly by criticising the other. You expect phrases showing how often you use it "As a long time X User" or "I Use X everyday" "convinced others to use it"(the shame) Then you go on with with your you tried hard to like it and "you are reaching the end"/ "Just lately I have struggled" "Its my third version" then there is the vague nondescript complaint like its "slow" "buggy" "crashes all the time" "privacy" and my personal favourite "incompatible" and then the money shot *THE GUILTY CONFESSION* "I have notice how nice X it on a friends computer" "I have tried X out on a trial(seriously kill me) machine" "I borrowed X for a while"...and you don't actually switch because of some personality quirk defect "your too old" "fanatical about" or your a "geek"/"nerd" depending on your audience or a more brave "It does not work anymore" without providing proof or solid evidence...you can even spot them in this thread.
Sorry the product is the service, and your right its exactly like the a TV *show*, they *sell* advertising space(the product) in that service. Everybody know it, You don't pay in any sort of form, if you did you did the government would tax you on it. In fact you are the *consumer*. Its why google apps for buisness is now a paid service:) they dimply *monetise* the product in a different way...like buying a DVD.
It is not possible that Google doesn't fear MS. I'd be willing to be that most of the people reading our comments here are doing so from a Windows computer.
I think its the fact that that Android Activations are set to eclipse those of Windows installs this year, and that is without any serious investment in Chrome...or Microsoft replacing a the Windows Desktop...with a windowless on.
Let me stop you there...Did email break...cannot there be alternative methods of doing things...what is the difference to the two methods...are there advantages/disadvantages of the the two methods,...should more than one service exist.
People want to share photos...Google+ recently did cool things from autogenerating panoramas, creating animated gifs, auto improving photos, autotagging perhaps sharing through that platform is a good idea, but the reality is you can still use email...that never went away.
What is hilarious is Yahoo and Microsoft and Facebook have all spent big money getting into picture sharing because it is so *big* either acquiring companies for billions.
Wait a second... Are you saying that all the people who don't realize that they themselves are the product sold by FB/G+ are the smart ones?
No I was referring to the fact that the individual, does not understand the fact that just because Hangout exists does not understand why email is suddenly not in existence.
If you think you are *sold* Google+ you are not really smart. Google whatever you think of it makes billions by *selling targetted advertising space* if it sold and user data its business model...and the billions would vanish overnight.
Facebook has different policies...and more worrying unscrupulous partners, who have there own large cashes of data. Without having alternative revenue streams. They are very different beasts.
...I've ignore most smaller companies, but the bottom line Google throw away very little, in fact this topic is a another example of moving users from Talk to Hangouts, which provide similar functions, and you can still talk...to talk users.
Google face *competition* from the pack of 4 "Facebook,Apple,Amazon,Netflix" but not Microsoft, Microsoft currently are struggling to compete effectively against Google, and nothing seems to be changing that. Ironically one of the many reasons (the main being its not that good) form Windows Phone spectacular failure is its insistence on skype, something that the carriers despise.
Personally there are three products I use and think are important from Google
Ignore the poor use of "Do no evil" without showing evidence of the sucking the blood of virgins, or getting naked people to eat fruit.
The products that I think are important, are Chrome OS - Hell the desktop needs more love, Android for obvious reasons(900 Million activations). I'm not even mentioning maps...or gmail...or youtube...the list just goes on. Hell I actually their most game changing product is actually Google Apps for Business. I am going to ignore the Nexus range/Glass/Q/Driverless Car?. Search and Chrome are now just a small part of what they do.
You need to start paying attention to why Google continues to Grow, While Microsoft shares have been flat for forever, and Apple share have been dropping like a knife.
I do think its sensible to invest time into open source products(and more importantly formats), but do not expect proprietary software to be the same. Although suggesting Goolge is unique or alone at replacing unprofitable software is simply laughable.
I've never found a problem sending pictures to people, even groups of people. Why do you feel you need to surrender all your privacy instead of just emailing a photo?
I am in kind of awe at this? I cannot dumb myself down enough to respond.
Google seems to be thinking like Microsoft/Apple these days..
Well actually Google is not thinking like either. Apple managed to cash in on early adopter money three times...but failed to compete in a mature market, its early monopoly status thrown away for sitting on huge about of cash, Microsoft throwing it all away to chance mobile market share by dumbing down its Desktop experience to that of a tablet:), Google is doing neither of those things.
Neither Apple or Microsoft is competing in the social networking sphere (ignoring photo sharing sites) and both were happy to ride the Facebook integration, the thrust of your post...although both have stepped back their integration in light of certain developments around the Andoird Phone/App Facebook thing whatever that was. In fact Google is the only one taking on Facebook and is doing a great job at it.
Ironically to need a Google+ account to use Hangouts
I'm sorry to correct you Microsoft went nowhere, in fact it got worse after the 90's. It fact Microsoft is the dame abusive Monopoly it always was. It just has to compete with Google and Apple who it can neither bribe or Bully, and it has been unable to leverage its monopoly onto Mobile, where Google and Apple dominate.
This is nothing to so with Google+ in fact you can use it from your Gmail account, as for Google+ its been going through some changes just lately...and its getting a lot of traction from other users. There are advantages of using Google+ which are group video calls; Sending Photos to everyone in your hangout; Start a hangout with the right people (Circle:)
Of course you would know that if you used Google Talk
Ok, so Google Talk is going away at some point, everyone I talk to who uses a different tool will no longer be reachable with "Hangouts", and I'll be confined only to my excruciatingly small circle of Google+ friends
...calm down, Ignoring the fact that Google+ has 390Million Active accounts...or that Android has passed 900Million Activations (Facebook has 700Million Active users). It works straight from gmail which has over 425Million users...hell there is even an iPhone app. Hell you can load it up...and still chat to people only using talk!
There are advantages to having a Google+ account, but its pretty limited...you can chat to 10 users at once. The bottom line though the success of Google+(growing faster than twitter, While Facebook suffers fatigue) its not part of this discussion.
You may now return to your two minute hate.... idiots
Except you need to start getting informed, this is not a pissing contest between search engines...if it was Yahoo already gave up search;it is a glorified from end for Microsoft. This is discussing about taking over of a social network *cough* by Yahoo! in the hope of reversing its fortunes, and the value of acquisition.
they are just abusive and evil as Apple or Microsoft.
I always like this quote when I think about evil, from Representative Chris Smith, a Republican from New Jersey about Google’s withdrawal from China "A remarkable, historic and welcomed action." Smith also had some harsh words for Microsoft "They [Microsoft] need to get on the right side of human rights rather than enabling tyranny, which they’re doing right now."
maybe not quite as abusive or evil as Apple or Microsoft;)
You don't pay for any of the Android stuff, you pay for a device which can run it
Ignoring your waffle, and Ignoring the fact everything else is refuted so we are arguing semantics. I find it deeply ironic that anyone on here does not understand that that people are buying Samsung/LG/Sony etc hardware but Google software (the fact that Google does not get their money directly is irrelevant, they roll around on money from the play store, and have not only prevented bring locked out of a market by the old abusive duopoly they lead it, making more money in what they are good at.) especially since everyone here understands how incredibly dated Apple hardware is(and why its increasingly looking in trouble), or why Nokia is circling the drain because of choosing the loser Operating System.
Argue with someone else 900Million activations smells of success, btw did you know that users are buying 2.5% more from the play store.
Ironically while Apple executives laugh at the president at the suggestion of iphone manufacture in the states, Samsung make their chips in the US. Really its a mystery why Apple is being considered at all they are as anti American as they come. If I was cynical I would suggest its part of the deal to bring back the some imac mini manufacturing to the states...although we have seen very little actual manufacture as yet.
This adds many levels of complexity for the infrastructure,and the hiring and training of support personal for all sorts of devices. Why? What benefit does Pentagon bet from maintaing 3 different platforms instead of one?
Short term its true, long term its simply stupid. Dependence on a single vendor...whoever they are is simply bad for any business. It keeps the vendors honest (massive cost saving), and better supply chain(another cost saving).
Now whether a closed ecosystem like apple should be considered at all is a different matter.
The Android line is not a paid consumer product. It's a piece of middleware offered to phone manufacturers.
No it is defiantly a consumer product (Perhaps the most successful this year)...I would argue a collection of products. The most obvious one being the Play store...where consumers pay money towards Google in return for Applications, Movies, Books...ans in context of your ridiculous point Music. Its incredibly successful.
However you paint it Google has been incredibly successful, at putting products into consumers hands, they fact that they have a variety of means to monetise its many consumer product is simply a bonus.
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I actually don't understand what the issue is... It seems to be "wha wha wha, apple leaves the money it makes in other countries in those countries, rather than bringing it into the US"... It seems to me that apple is perfectly entitled to do that.
It's certainly nothing compared to google's "We don't sell anything in the UK, it's all in Ireland, honest" bullshit.
Apple's subsidiaries, located in Ireland, paid a mere 0.05 per cent in tax on $22bn in revenues.
You get 5 and insightful...there is nothing worth discussing here.
You arn't, and that is not how active members are measured
tuppe666 is posting nearly 10% of responses on defending Google, telling you're not getting paid! cha-ching
People who are paid, are incredibly easy to spot. The purpose is not to argue, or discuss...flame or win...spell correctly and don't swear. Its to convince *the Public* that your product is better...mainly by criticising the other. You expect phrases showing how often you use it "As a long time X User" or "I Use X everyday" "convinced others to use it"(the shame) Then you go on with with your you tried hard to like it and "you are reaching the end"/ "Just lately I have struggled" "Its my third version" then there is the vague nondescript complaint like its "slow" "buggy" "crashes all the time" "privacy" and my personal favourite "incompatible" and then the money shot *THE GUILTY CONFESSION* "I have notice how nice X it on a friends computer" "I have tried X out on a trial(seriously kill me) machine" "I borrowed X for a while"...and you don't actually switch because of some personality quirk defect "your too old" "fanatical about" or your a "geek"/"nerd" depending on your audience or a more brave "It does not work anymore" without providing proof or solid evidence...you can even spot them in this thread.
Question: you need to have a google+ account (as all google accounts are google+ accounts) to activate an android device with google.
NO that is not true
not unlike TV.
Sorry the product is the service, and your right its exactly like the a TV *show*, they *sell* advertising space(the product) in that service. Everybody know it, You don't pay in any sort of form, if you did you did the government would tax you on it. In fact you are the *consumer*. Its why google apps for buisness is now a paid service :) they dimply *monetise* the product in a different way...like buying a DVD.
But... how many of those are actual users, or just people who created a google account because it's required to activate their phone?
You don't need Google+ to activate your Android Phone...In fact you can use hangouts, by just installing it on your iPhone (rolls eyes)
It is not possible that Google doesn't fear MS. I'd be willing to be that most of the people reading our comments here are doing so from a Windows computer.
I think its the fact that that Android Activations are set to eclipse those of Windows installs this year, and that is without any serious investment in Chrome...or Microsoft replacing a the Windows Desktop...with a windowless on.
While e-mail is not to be considered secure...
Let me stop you there...Did email break...cannot there be alternative methods of doing things...what is the difference to the two methods...are there advantages/disadvantages of the the two methods,...should more than one service exist.
People want to share photos...Google+ recently did cool things from autogenerating panoramas, creating animated gifs, auto improving photos, autotagging perhaps sharing through that platform is a good idea, but the reality is you can still use email...that never went away.
What is hilarious is Yahoo and Microsoft and Facebook have all spent big money getting into picture sharing because it is so *big* either acquiring companies for billions.
Wait a second... Are you saying that all the people who don't realize that they themselves are the product sold by FB/G+ are the smart ones?
No I was referring to the fact that the individual, does not understand the fact that just because Hangout exists does not understand why email is suddenly not in existence.
If you think you are *sold* Google+ you are not really smart. Google whatever you think of it makes billions by *selling targetted advertising space* if it sold and user data its business model...and the billions would vanish overnight.
Facebook has different policies...and more worrying unscrupulous partners, who have there own large cashes of data. Without having alternative revenue streams. They are very different beasts.
Apple Discontinued Products http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_products_discontinued_by_Apple_Inc.
Microsoft Discontinues Products http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Discontinued_Microsoft_software
MS has a monopoly on what today?
Desktop...Apps :)
Google fears Microsoft more than it feared Skype.
Google face *competition* from the pack of 4 "Facebook,Apple,Amazon,Netflix" but not Microsoft, Microsoft currently are struggling to compete effectively against Google, and nothing seems to be changing that. Ironically one of the many reasons (the main being its not that good) form Windows Phone spectacular failure is its insistence on skype, something that the carriers despise.
Personally there are three products I use and think are important from Google
Ignore the poor use of "Do no evil" without showing evidence of the sucking the blood of virgins, or getting naked people to eat fruit.
The products that I think are important, are Chrome OS - Hell the desktop needs more love, Android for obvious reasons(900 Million activations). I'm not even mentioning maps...or gmail...or youtube...the list just goes on. Hell I actually their most game changing product is actually Google Apps for Business. I am going to ignore the Nexus range/Glass/Q/Driverless Car?. Search and Chrome are now just a small part of what they do.
You need to start paying attention to why Google continues to Grow, While Microsoft shares have been flat for forever, and Apple share have been dropping like a knife.
Google starts projects and kills them off as much as people change their underwear...
Microsoft Kills Products http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Discontinued_Microsoft_software
Apple Kill Products http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_products_discontinued_by_Apple_Inc.
Get over it
I do think its sensible to invest time into open source products(and more importantly formats), but do not expect proprietary software to be the same. Although suggesting Goolge is unique or alone at replacing unprofitable software is simply laughable.
I've never found a problem sending pictures to people, even groups of people. Why do you feel you need to surrender all your privacy instead of just emailing a photo?
I am in kind of awe at this? I cannot dumb myself down enough to respond.
Google seems to be thinking like Microsoft/Apple these days..
Well actually Google is not thinking like either. Apple managed to cash in on early adopter money three times...but failed to compete in a mature market, its early monopoly status thrown away for sitting on huge about of cash, Microsoft throwing it all away to chance mobile market share by dumbing down its Desktop experience to that of a tablet :), Google is doing neither of those things.
Neither Apple or Microsoft is competing in the social networking sphere (ignoring photo sharing sites) and both were happy to ride the Facebook integration, the thrust of your post...although both have stepped back their integration in light of certain developments around the Andoird Phone/App Facebook thing whatever that was. In fact Google is the only one taking on Facebook and is doing a great job at it.
Ironically to need a Google+ account to use Hangouts
Where is the difference to asshole MS of the 90s?
I'm sorry to correct you Microsoft went nowhere, in fact it got worse after the 90's. It fact Microsoft is the dame abusive Monopoly it always was. It just has to compete with Google and Apple who it can neither bribe or Bully, and it has been unable to leverage its monopoly onto Mobile, where Google and Apple dominate.
Google+ hasnt had a lot of traction
This is nothing to so with Google+ in fact you can use it from your Gmail account, as for Google+ its been going through some changes just lately...and its getting a lot of traction from other users. There are advantages of using Google+ which are group video calls; Sending Photos to everyone in your hangout; Start a hangout with the right people (Circle :)
Of course you would know that if you used Google Talk
Ok, so Google Talk is going away at some point, everyone I talk to who uses a different tool will no longer be reachable with "Hangouts", and I'll be confined only to my excruciatingly small circle of Google+ friends
...calm down, Ignoring the fact that Google+ has 390Million Active accounts...or that Android has passed 900Million Activations (Facebook has 700Million Active users). It works straight from gmail which has over 425Million users...hell there is even an iPhone app. Hell you can load it up...and still chat to people only using talk!
There are advantages to having a Google+ account, but its pretty limited...you can chat to 10 users at once. The bottom line though the success of Google+(growing faster than twitter, While Facebook suffers fatigue) its not part of this discussion.
Google: Good
Yahoo!: Baaaaad
You may now return to your two minute hate.... idiots
Except you need to start getting informed, this is not a pissing contest between search engines...if it was Yahoo already gave up search;it is a glorified from end for Microsoft. This is discussing about taking over of a social network *cough* by Yahoo! in the hope of reversing its fortunes, and the value of acquisition.
they are just abusive and evil as Apple or Microsoft.
I always like this quote when I think about evil, from Representative Chris Smith, a Republican from New Jersey about Google’s withdrawal from China "A remarkable, historic and welcomed action." Smith also had some harsh words for Microsoft "They [Microsoft] need to get on the right side of human rights rather than enabling tyranny, which they’re doing right now."
maybe not quite as abusive or evil as Apple or Microsoft ;)
You don't pay for any of the Android stuff, you pay for a device which can run it
Ignoring your waffle, and Ignoring the fact everything else is refuted so we are arguing semantics. I find it deeply ironic that anyone on here does not understand that that people are buying Samsung/LG/Sony etc hardware but Google software (the fact that Google does not get their money directly is irrelevant, they roll around on money from the play store, and have not only prevented bring locked out of a market by the old abusive duopoly they lead it, making more money in what they are good at.) especially since everyone here understands how incredibly dated Apple hardware is(and why its increasingly looking in trouble), or why Nokia is circling the drain because of choosing the loser Operating System.
Argue with someone else 900Million activations smells of success, btw did you know that users are buying 2.5% more from the play store.
How did Samsung even get there?
Ironically while Apple executives laugh at the president at the suggestion of iphone manufacture in the states, Samsung make their chips in the US. Really its a mystery why Apple is being considered at all they are as anti American as they come. If I was cynical I would suggest its part of the deal to bring back the some imac mini manufacturing to the states...although we have seen very little actual manufacture as yet.
This adds many levels of complexity for the infrastructure,and the hiring and training of support personal
for all sorts of devices. Why? What benefit does Pentagon bet from maintaing 3 different platforms
instead of one?
Short term its true, long term its simply stupid. Dependence on a single vendor...whoever they are is simply bad for any business. It keeps the vendors honest (massive cost saving), and better supply chain(another cost saving).
Now whether a closed ecosystem like apple should be considered at all is a different matter.
The Android line is not a paid consumer product. It's a piece of middleware offered to phone manufacturers.
No it is defiantly a consumer product (Perhaps the most successful this year)...I would argue a collection of products. The most obvious one being the Play store...where consumers pay money towards Google in return for Applications, Movies, Books...ans in context of your ridiculous point Music. Its incredibly successful.
However you paint it Google has been incredibly successful, at putting products into consumers hands, they fact that they have a variety of means to monetise its many consumer product is simply a bonus.