Yes because your personal experience with Linux equates to what everyone experiences with it. Yep, no differences. You clearly haven't left your mom's basement in a VERY long time.
LOL its not subjective. I'm not comparing *experience* or *feelings* its an "empirical fact". The fact that someone who lives with his mother has to explain that to you is proper shameful.
I realize the joke isn't exact, but it still applies.
No no it doesn't. I don't think you understand the joke. The joke is in attempting to solve the problem, you add to it in the very way its a problem. This is nothing like that this is choosing micro-usb over lightening connector. Its simply that choosing one standard over another.
As for it not being OpenGL not being maintained...your kidding right. There are simply too many different parties, with a vested interest in it being an open and dominant standard. I don't think you have noticed Microsoft has months left of being the dominant computing platform.
...also, 2013 will be the year of Desktop Linux. Suuure...
Ironically 2013 is the year of Android that is the point, and Windows gets relegated to second place. It kind of makes your statement a little sad. Personally I look forward to the gains on the Linux Desktop from Microsofts Monopoly getting broken.
But it's still crashy both on video drivers and API being badly implemented in it, and you still need fairly deep knowledge of the OS to get stuff properly installed, configured and running.
Do you know what I did to get my graphics card up and running on Linux...NOTHING. You clearly have never used Linux.
I think you need to look at the joke again. Its about creating a new standard to replace multiple incompatible standards. His comment is about reducing control of a de-facto standard on one ecosystem by a conflicted monopolist...and doing so using an *existing standard* that arguable is better, and is cross platform used on the majority of computing platforms [Ok no quite]. The reality is the massive growth of Android/iOS has but a massive dent in DirectX, and OpenGL has been moving and shaking after years of neglect.
Your guessing what my experience is like in absence of having your own. The truth is the Xperia Play is a beautiful device Sony's best ever IMHO...but in no way perfect, but that article has nothing to do with the problems of the Xperia Play which were simply initial opening price too high(more expensive than an iPhone), with specifications too low (single core, no internal memory)...and Sony half heartedly supporting it(no update to Ice Cream Sandwich). That said its a hell of a device, and there are a surprising amount of games that support it. I'd buy its successor in a heartbeat.
There are issues with using a controller on GNU Linux. The problem is games that support remapping have incredibly good support, with a wide range of hardware supported(far better than Windows). The problem is the games don't as a rule [even open source games] support them. you can change the order of your controls on your joypad, and remap keys which covers almost everything in a haphazard manner, but its too messy and very un-gnu/Linux where everything from scanners to wireless is standard across devices. To be fair it needs someone (seam maybe) with enough influence to move everyone in the same direction in this neglected area.
when you install video drivers you are not almost guaranteed to spend some time at a CLI prompt cause gui don't want to start.
Just to explain how modern Linux works. On the majority of desktops that have Intel...they are open source and simply work, and modern ones are suitable for most gaming, Nvidia and Ati have open source drivers, but the proprietary ones are still better (I've not used Ati in a while), but upon loading Ubuntu asked you whether you want to install them...and its always a single click away, its simpler than Windows complicated method of having to go to the web-site and wade through the complicated instructions etc etc.[I'm to bored to explain]
OK. First convert all GPL-based libraries to LGPL so that they are non-viral, sometimes you have to statically link. Someone had to say it.
Wow Ballmer still spreading that Cancer line is getting old just saying. Humble Bundle 7 has ten games than seem to cope just fine.
Ironically the bundle before this "THQ bundle" one was controversial because not only had DRM it was unable to provide ports to Linux (and OSX) because of proprietary based libraries. The reality is locking yourself into a single platform is particularly foolish as Android is set to eclipse Windows in a matter of Months.
Smartphone and tablet operating systems work best for touch-screen genres, GNU/Linux and Windows work best for mouse-and-keyboard genres, and the consoles, PS Vita/3DS, and to a much lesser extent Ouya, GNU/Linux, and Windows work for gamepad genres.
Then you need to keep up because I already have several controllers on GNU/Linux, and One on my Phone (Xperia Play Baby!):). When they have dropped in price I'm going to get me a 27" flatscreen (touchscreen) monitor going cheap because of Windows 8.
Looks like cross platform is going to be very very useful:). I suspect very strongly though that my next gaming PC will be a touchscreen chromebook running Debian with Android compatibility...I maybe will hook up my PS3 controller if Super Meat Boy gets ported:)
Thats such a weird think to say right now I've been playing through the games on Humble Bundle 7 and none of those are possible because of the Ouya [Legend of Grimrock is particularly good]. The reality is Android will get serious and *episodic* games just like any other platform. I say episodic because some of these games are designed for playing for short periods at a time. The reality is though the sheet of glass games are perfect for *new* game interfaces, and are perfect for strategy; tower offence/defence hell I'm looking forward to games that rely on pointing as *several* parts of the screen at once.
All the Ouya may bring is new games that use traditional controller to the Android platform. Although as owner of an Xperia Play [oh and a Ouya] they have been on Android for a while.
By "Linux" did you mean the Android stack (phones, tablets, Ouya) or the GNU/Linux stack (still associated with PCs)?
I'm assuming he meant both, Reliance on any one platform, or relying on some platform dependant tools is stupid in todays diverse market its why game engines like Unity work on both Gnu/Linux and Android:) http://unity3d.com/
Stop thinking every title needs to be a triple AAA title with millions of dollars in cost, that has to sell a large amount of copies to turn a profit.Stop putting crappy DRM on your software, since that only hurts your customers.Stop making crappy consoles ports.And quit fucking blaming everything on piracy.
Indie gaming [and open source gaming] is all of those things, and has a better community. Apart from team meat...but they have Super Meat Boy so they get to be dicks.
Ignoring the fact that I have never heard of this EVER, or that PC gaming as got so shitty its more about console ports that even a basic PC can cope with anything it has to handle. That stores that deliver your games *electronically* should be able to filter out games that simply won't work like....Android does now. The idea of creating a made up specifications to represent real specifications is the stupidest idea ever. Personally I think that game designers should put effort into providing the best experience your computer can handle automatically rather than have settings.
It's called Tablet App Gaming. Thy computer shalt have no native input device save the screen. You shall not have full control of the device. Some of your data must needs live in the cloud.
Annoying as one who is really enjoying tablet gaming [and ds gaming], you have to remember that touch-screen is exciting, and even though Windows 8 sucks donkeys balls...touch gaming is great for *some* genres of games. Its not for 3rd Person shooters[keyboard mouse]...or 3dBeaten ups;Platformer;standard shooters[Joypad], but a tablet for is great for racing games[ok not as fun as a real wheel]...for for strategy!! and tower defence/offence and tactile puzzlers touchscreen wins. I will be buying a great big touch-screen when a compelling one comes along.
Port everything over to Linux so we can ditch Wine and Windows.
Microsoft has been a problem for PC gaming for a long time; partly due to control over Direct X (shitty lock-in); Partly due it controlling a game console(shitty Ports). Ironically with the rise of iOS...the Android; Humble Indie Bundle(Who could have seen that) and the rise of crowd funding/indie gaming. [I am not sure about steam]...The new problem is Microsoft pushing the PG-13 Agenda through their store(shitty anti gamer store), the reality is on Linux we relied on a few ports from Windows. If you support PC gaming then move to an alternative platform. the games are coming [already here] to Linux/Android...and there is no better time to RUN!
Fuckle Assdroid is horrible compared to iOS and always will be. While you Assdroid lUsers feel the walled garden is a negative it is in all sense a positive. Apple products Just Work and the work unless there is a manufacturing defect. All iOS products get updates to where none of the Fuckle Assdroid products are ever updated.
Another well thought out, point by point discussion. I see you have all the propaganda "Just Work" "Walled Garden Good" "Manufacturing Defect" "Updates". The sad fact is All phones just work, Its just that some have working maps, and pretty much all phones have solid hardware, if they don't have battery problems/antenna problems/purple lens flare like Apple have:) bless them if only Steve were still here. As for Apple restricting competition on their not your platform, i'm sorry your choice is limited to just one store (one browser etc etc)...its not like Apple charge massive mark-ups they look after their customers...oh wait that is their whole business model to screw their customers...we used to call that lock-in back before marketing bullshit. Anyway back to my Nexus Tablet running Jelly Bean:)
The sad fact is you haven't got Unique hardware features, Products at every price point, Cutting edge hardware...or even software. ios is the has been platform. No wonder their market share is dropping through the floor. Nobody wants their(again not your) product
You can repeat yourself, but the other poster has shown that what you are repeating is false.
LOL to repeat myself yet again:)
It doesn't and it hasn't for a long time [and never did:)], and there is no such thing as % of profits. It does produce a phone which it sells at a vastly overinflated price to small market share of customers, that strategy has been so successful it had made the largest company by market cap in the world...but that was three months ago, Apple have now lost 30% of its market cap, and its whole strategy is looking weak for the company...it always looked shitty for their customers [its kind of sad you point it as an advantage in absence of better hardware/software/price], Its no wonder their small market share continues to shrink. Perhaps if they had had a long term strategy things would look different now.
They are simply IDC's latest figures, although all major players figures match, but then you know that. Android Activate 1.5Million phones daily. Its a phenomena.
And only a Linux fanboy would argue that distort incompatibility is a feature.
Quite the reverse its not its just a simple fact. The reality is going forward I would love to be able to run my android apps on my ARM touchscreen chromebook running Debian...but right now the whole Userland is simply different to "Debian, Ubuntu and Redhat" and you know that. The benefits come from the massive shared development work going into Linux(the kernel) from Google and other companies now interested in Linux(the kernel) because its part of Android, which users of "Debian, Ubuntu and Redhat" benefit from:)
To repeat myself:) and no, a posting a 6month old guesswork is not going to change my statement.
It doesn't and it hasn't for a long time [and never did:)], and there is no such thing as % of profits. It does produce a phone which it sells at a vastly overinflated price to small market share of customers, that strategy has been so successful it had made the largest company by market cap in the world...but that was three months ago, Apple have now lost 30% of its market cap, and its whole strategy is looking weak for the company...it always looked shitty for their customers [its kind of sad you point it as an advantage in absence of better hardware/software/price], Its no wonder their small market share continues to shrink. Perhaps if they had had a long term strategy things would look different now.
Fuckle Assdroid is continually proving to be the M$ Windoze of the mobile world.This is just the icing on the cake when it comes to why Fuckle Assdoid cannot be trusted. Glad I went with iOS rather than the steaming pile of shit called Fuckle Assdroid.
I always admire the enthusiasm of Apple Users, and another well thought out post that was. You raise several important points. I can't help questioning your point that Android is the new Microsoft Windows. It isn't and never will be...that privilege is Windows Phone which is currently 6th most popular OS; Popularity alone is not a measure of similarity. The reality is right now Microsoft is pushing for an "ecosystem" read its Desktop monopoly on your phone...and nobody is buying what they are selling [Literally of Figuratively], but undeniably there is a move towards a unification of Mobile/Tablet/Desktop OS's through a shared store/look and feel/API, what is most interesting is Google who make no money directly from Android is pretty OS Agnostic, but has unified services...even on the iPhone, and as yet had not made Chrome a desirable!? platform.
I see their success or failure determined by 'dumb users' who WILL download what is available and get pwned, complain, and eventually give up and buy the damn iphone
I guess the proof is the the pudding with Android hitting 710Million users(last quarter) with activations of 1.5Million daily, and is set to become the primary computing platform, taking the crown away from Microsoft Next year. I think when the platform that has the better hardware/software/value unsurprisingly gets the most users by a massive...calling them dumb(sic) might be somewhat inappropriate.
It doesn't and it hasn't for a long time [and never did:)], and there is no such thing as % of profits. It does produce a phone which it sells at a vastly overinflated price to small market share of customers, that strategy has been so successful it had made the largest company by market cap in the world...but that was three months ago, Apple have now lost 30% of its market cap, and its whole strategy is looking weak for the company...it always looked shitty for their customers [its kind of sad you point it as an advantage in absence of better hardware/software/price], Its no wonder their small market share continues to shrink. Perhaps if they had had a long term strategy things would look different now.
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Yes because your personal experience with Linux equates to what everyone experiences with it. Yep, no differences. You clearly haven't left your mom's basement in a VERY long time.
LOL its not subjective. I'm not comparing *experience* or *feelings* its an "empirical fact". The fact that someone who lives with his mother has to explain that to you is proper shameful.
I realize the joke isn't exact, but it still applies.
No no it doesn't. I don't think you understand the joke. The joke is in attempting to solve the problem, you add to it in the very way its a problem. This is nothing like that this is choosing micro-usb over lightening connector. Its simply that choosing one standard over another.
As for it not being OpenGL not being maintained...your kidding right. There are simply too many different parties, with a vested interest in it being an open and dominant standard. I don't think you have noticed Microsoft has months left of being the dominant computing platform.
...also, 2013 will be the year of Desktop Linux. Suuure...
Ironically 2013 is the year of Android that is the point, and Windows gets relegated to second place. It kind of makes your statement a little sad. Personally I look forward to the gains on the Linux Desktop from Microsofts Monopoly getting broken.
By that logic, linux has long eclipsed windows as its everywhere.
Android is set to overtake Windows in a matter of months.
But it's still crashy both on video drivers and API being badly implemented in it, and you still need fairly deep knowledge of the OS to get stuff properly installed, configured and running.
Do you know what I did to get my graphics card up and running on Linux...NOTHING. You clearly have never used Linux.
#1 - Don't make me obligatory xkcd you!
I think you need to look at the joke again. Its about creating a new standard to replace multiple incompatible standards. His comment is about reducing control of a de-facto standard on one ecosystem by a conflicted monopolist...and doing so using an *existing standard* that arguable is better, and is cross platform used on the majority of computing platforms [Ok no quite]. The reality is the massive growth of Android/iOS has but a massive dent in DirectX, and OpenGL has been moving and shaking after years of neglect.
Your guessing what my experience is like in absence of having your own. The truth is the Xperia Play is a beautiful device Sony's best ever IMHO...but in no way perfect, but that article has nothing to do with the problems of the Xperia Play which were simply initial opening price too high(more expensive than an iPhone), with specifications too low (single core, no internal memory)...and Sony half heartedly supporting it(no update to Ice Cream Sandwich). That said its a hell of a device, and there are a surprising amount of games that support it. I'd buy its successor in a heartbeat.
There are issues with using a controller on GNU Linux. The problem is games that support remapping have incredibly good support, with a wide range of hardware supported(far better than Windows). The problem is the games don't as a rule [even open source games] support them. you can change the order of your controls on your joypad, and remap keys which covers almost everything in a haphazard manner, but its too messy and very un-gnu/Linux where everything from scanners to wireless is standard across devices. To be fair it needs someone (seam maybe) with enough influence to move everyone in the same direction in this neglected area.
when you install video drivers you are not almost guaranteed to spend some time at a CLI prompt cause gui don't want to start.
Just to explain how modern Linux works. On the majority of desktops that have Intel...they are open source and simply work, and modern ones are suitable for most gaming, Nvidia and Ati have open source drivers, but the proprietary ones are still better (I've not used Ati in a while), but upon loading Ubuntu asked you whether you want to install them...and its always a single click away, its simpler than Windows complicated method of having to go to the web-site and wade through the complicated instructions etc etc.[I'm to bored to explain]
You live in the world of faeries :)
OK. First convert all GPL-based libraries to LGPL so that they are non-viral, sometimes you have to statically link. Someone had to say it.
Wow Ballmer still spreading that Cancer line is getting old just saying. Humble Bundle 7 has ten games than seem to cope just fine.
Ironically the bundle before this "THQ bundle" one was controversial because not only had DRM it was unable to provide ports to Linux (and OSX) because of proprietary based libraries. The reality is locking yourself into a single platform is particularly foolish as Android is set to eclipse Windows in a matter of Months.
Smartphone and tablet operating systems work best for touch-screen genres, GNU/Linux and Windows work best for mouse-and-keyboard genres, and the consoles, PS Vita/3DS, and to a much lesser extent Ouya, GNU/Linux, and Windows work for gamepad genres.
Then you need to keep up because I already have several controllers on GNU/Linux, and One on my Phone (Xperia Play Baby!) :). When they have dropped in price I'm going to get me a 27" flatscreen (touchscreen) monitor going cheap because of Windows 8.
Looks like cross platform is going to be very very useful :). I suspect very strongly though that my next gaming PC will be a touchscreen chromebook running Debian with Android compatibility...I maybe will hook up my PS3 controller if Super Meat Boy gets ported :)
Only if Ouya takes off.
Thats such a weird think to say right now I've been playing through the games on Humble Bundle 7 and none of those are possible because of the Ouya [Legend of Grimrock is particularly good]. The reality is Android will get serious and *episodic* games just like any other platform. I say episodic because some of these games are designed for playing for short periods at a time. The reality is though the sheet of glass games are perfect for *new* game interfaces, and are perfect for strategy; tower offence/defence hell I'm looking forward to games that rely on pointing as *several* parts of the screen at once.
All the Ouya may bring is new games that use traditional controller to the Android platform. Although as owner of an Xperia Play [oh and a Ouya] they have been on Android for a while.
By "Linux" did you mean the Android stack (phones, tablets, Ouya) or the GNU/Linux stack (still associated with PCs)?
I'm assuming he meant both, Reliance on any one platform, or relying on some platform dependant tools is stupid in todays diverse market its why game engines like Unity work on both Gnu/Linux and Android :) http://unity3d.com/
Stop thinking every title needs to be a triple AAA title with millions of dollars in cost, that has to sell a large amount of copies to turn a profit.Stop putting crappy DRM on your software, since that only hurts your customers.Stop making crappy consoles ports.And quit fucking blaming everything on piracy.
Indie gaming [and open source gaming] is all of those things, and has a better community. Apart from team meat...but they have Super Meat Boy so they get to be dicks.
Ignoring the fact that I have never heard of this EVER, or that PC gaming as got so shitty its more about console ports that even a basic PC can cope with anything it has to handle. That stores that deliver your games *electronically* should be able to filter out games that simply won't work like....Android does now. The idea of creating a made up specifications to represent real specifications is the stupidest idea ever. Personally I think that game designers should put effort into providing the best experience your computer can handle automatically rather than have settings.
Seriously dumb article.
It's called Tablet App Gaming. Thy computer shalt have no native input device save the screen. You shall not have full control of the device. Some of your data must needs live in the cloud.
Annoying as one who is really enjoying tablet gaming [and ds gaming], you have to remember that touch-screen is exciting, and even though Windows 8 sucks donkeys balls...touch gaming is great for *some* genres of games. Its not for 3rd Person shooters[keyboard mouse]...or 3dBeaten ups;Platformer;standard shooters[Joypad], but a tablet for is great for racing games[ok not as fun as a real wheel]...for for strategy!! and tower defence/offence and tactile puzzlers touchscreen wins. I will be buying a great big touch-screen when a compelling one comes along.
Port everything over to Linux so we can ditch Wine and Windows.
Microsoft has been a problem for PC gaming for a long time; partly due to control over Direct X (shitty lock-in); Partly due it controlling a game console(shitty Ports). Ironically with the rise of iOS...the Android; Humble Indie Bundle(Who could have seen that) and the rise of crowd funding/indie gaming. [I am not sure about steam]...The new problem is Microsoft pushing the PG-13 Agenda through their store(shitty anti gamer store), the reality is on Linux we relied on a few ports from Windows. If you support PC gaming then move to an alternative platform. the games are coming [already here] to Linux/Android...and there is no better time to RUN!
Fuckle Assdroid is horrible compared to iOS and always will be. While you Assdroid lUsers feel the walled garden is a negative it is in all sense a positive. Apple products Just Work and the work unless there is a manufacturing defect. All iOS products get updates to where none of the Fuckle Assdroid products are ever updated.
Another well thought out, point by point discussion. I see you have all the propaganda "Just Work" "Walled Garden Good" "Manufacturing Defect" "Updates". The sad fact is All phones just work, Its just that some have working maps, and pretty much all phones have solid hardware, if they don't have battery problems/antenna problems/purple lens flare like Apple have :) bless them if only Steve were still here. As for Apple restricting competition on their not your platform, i'm sorry your choice is limited to just one store (one browser etc etc)...its not like Apple charge massive mark-ups they look after their customers...oh wait that is their whole business model to screw their customers...we used to call that lock-in back before marketing bullshit. Anyway back to my Nexus Tablet running Jelly Bean :)
The sad fact is you haven't got Unique hardware features, Products at every price point, Cutting edge hardware...or even software. ios is the has been platform. No wonder their market share is dropping through the floor. Nobody wants their(again not your) product
You can repeat yourself, but the other poster has shown that what you are repeating is false.
LOL to repeat myself yet again :)
It doesn't and it hasn't for a long time [and never did :)], and there is no such thing as % of profits. It does produce a phone which it sells at a vastly overinflated price to small market share of customers, that strategy has been so successful it had made the largest company by market cap in the world...but that was three months ago, Apple have now lost 30% of its market cap, and its whole strategy is looking weak for the company...it always looked shitty for their customers [its kind of sad you point it as an advantage in absence of better hardware/software/price], Its no wonder their small market share continues to shrink. Perhaps if they had had a long term strategy things would look different now.
They are simply IDC's latest figures
If they were you'd have a link.
Doing a simple google search for iOS IDC marketshare shows a much higher overall percentage for iOS.
https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23771812#.UN4DmtE49yA seriously is google that hard :)
Android market-share 75% iOS 14.9%
They are simply IDC's latest figures, although all major players figures match, but then you know that. Android Activate 1.5Million phones daily. Its a phenomena.
And only a Linux fanboy would argue that distort incompatibility is a feature.
Quite the reverse its not its just a simple fact. The reality is going forward I would love to be able to run my android apps on my ARM touchscreen chromebook running Debian...but right now the whole Userland is simply different to "Debian, Ubuntu and Redhat" and you know that. The benefits come from the massive shared development work going into Linux(the kernel) from Google and other companies now interested in Linux(the kernel) because its part of Android, which users of "Debian, Ubuntu and Redhat" benefit from :)
http://bgr.com/2012/08/06/apple-mobile-industry-profit-share-q2-2012/
Eat it. Then put your foot in your mouth.
To repeat myself :) and no, a posting a 6month old guesswork is not going to change my statement.
It doesn't and it hasn't for a long time [and never did :)], and there is no such thing as % of profits. It does produce a phone which it sells at a vastly overinflated price to small market share of customers, that strategy has been so successful it had made the largest company by market cap in the world...but that was three months ago, Apple have now lost 30% of its market cap, and its whole strategy is looking weak for the company...it always looked shitty for their customers [its kind of sad you point it as an advantage in absence of better hardware/software/price], Its no wonder their small market share continues to shrink. Perhaps if they had had a long term strategy things would look different now.
Fuckle Assdroid is continually proving to be the M$ Windoze of the mobile world.This is just the icing on the cake when it comes to why Fuckle Assdoid cannot be trusted. Glad I went with iOS rather than the steaming pile of shit called Fuckle Assdroid.
I always admire the enthusiasm of Apple Users, and another well thought out post that was. You raise several important points. I can't help questioning your point that Android is the new Microsoft Windows. It isn't and never will be...that privilege is Windows Phone which is currently 6th most popular OS; Popularity alone is not a measure of similarity. The reality is right now Microsoft is pushing for an "ecosystem" read its Desktop monopoly on your phone...and nobody is buying what they are selling [Literally of Figuratively], but undeniably there is a move towards a unification of Mobile/Tablet/Desktop OS's through a shared store/look and feel/API, what is most interesting is Google who make no money directly from Android is pretty OS Agnostic, but has unified services...even on the iPhone, and as yet had not made Chrome a desirable!? platform.
I see their success or failure determined by 'dumb users' who WILL download what is available and get pwned, complain, and eventually give up and buy the damn iphone
I guess the proof is the the pudding with Android hitting 710Million users(last quarter) with activations of 1.5Million daily, and is set to become the primary computing platform, taking the crown away from Microsoft Next year. I think when the platform that has the better hardware/software/value unsurprisingly gets the most users by a massive...calling them dumb(sic) might be somewhat inappropriate.
Apple makes 80% of all mobile phone profits.
It doesn't and it hasn't for a long time [and never did :)], and there is no such thing as % of profits. It does produce a phone which it sells at a vastly overinflated price to small market share of customers, that strategy has been so successful it had made the largest company by market cap in the world...but that was three months ago, Apple have now lost 30% of its market cap, and its whole strategy is looking weak for the company...it always looked shitty for their customers [its kind of sad you point it as an advantage in absence of better hardware/software/price], Its no wonder their small market share continues to shrink. Perhaps if they had had a long term strategy things would look different now.