I hope the surface tanks. Linux users are probably more likely to want keyboards than windows users.
....but that is not the point. Linux users that do *keyboard intensive tasks* want keyboards...whether they want undersized candy coloured keyboards is dubious, or them attached to an undersized tablet is a another matter, but implying that the average user uses the keyboard more that any other OS is simply a little strange X pre-dates Windows:). Those that do you can see on here flaming each other about which one is best...although I believe in that knife fight the IBM Model M wins.
Just because you're buying "hardware" doesn't mean you're getting the privilege of installing whatever the hell you want on the device.
See ignoring the massive flag waving response. I have this belief that if I buy something I can do what the hell I want with it. When did I start hiring/licensing my computer!! Can Microsoft really not effective compete with Linux the OS you claim in not ready (It is has been for years) I believe the Android variant is set to eclipse Windows Next Year.
Guess Microsoft is kind of following along the steps of Apple on this one..
...No Microsoft is forging the way ahead on Monopolistic abuse. You can still install Linux on Apple computers (just not upgrade any components). The fact that they are adopting in part Apples business model at the expense of its OEM partners is just hilarious, as Apples profit margins are set to slump:).
Except mobile phones are not locked down, famously even Apple has a DMCA exception to jailbreaking. Sony famously dropped its Linux from the PS3 because it couldn't get tax benefits for being a computer.
The reality is Microsoft (still a monopoly on the desktop) is turning a computer into an electronics device, and the should be stopped...and it won't be.
Its so obvious how that going to turn out, Android is going to overtake Windows, as my phone becomes more open than my computer. My next GNU\Linux computer will be a touchscreen chromebook!?
Why do people think that no one complained about Apple's lock down? They've had a walled garden in place since iOS 2.0 and it's always been a point of contention. Secure Boot just brings the threat of universal lock down that much closer.
Well to be fair both the FSF and EFF have been heavily involved after Apple demonised their customers calling them criminals for for jailbreaking Apples Phones(not theirs). Ignoring the fact that those are *electronic* devices and Apple is nowhere near a monopoly (I now its not a good answer for apple users), but again the same groups are not just focused on Microsoft. As for the FSF a quick Google gives this http://www.defectivebydesign.org/blog/1256, although the jailbreak DMCA exemption for the iPhone...and not the tablet, have been big news on most technology sites.
one simple observation without going off on a witch hunt?
Oh did you thing think suggesting people were frothing at the mouth...or calling the retards...or accusing them of taking money under false pretences, because they provide an alternative to the software your running is not acceptable.
Abusive ad hominem is black and white, and has nothing to do with cause. The sad fact is you are still attacking the FSF. I'll keep an eye out for your username
I'm sorry I thought you were holding a one man army smear campaign using made up unsubstantiated (and ridiculous) rumours against the FSF who are naturally against *Microsoft* in restricting the running free software on commodity hardware in a thread that deals with that. The bottom line is your behaviour has been appalling, and a deliberate action in stopping the FSF getting funding, for what most see as a good cause.
again where the heck are you getting this YAY GO MS attitude from?
personally, fuck them both
You have personally attacked the integrity of the FSF, on behalf of Microsoft. So no lets not "fuck them". You see lots of people do not *agree* with the FSF, or think their views are misplaced, or have alternate views, but everybody is 100% in agreement that "win, lose or draw" for the past 27 years they have had a preference for promoted the universal freedom to create, distribute and modify computer software, you might not agree with it, but it has never and I repeat never been to line their own pockets...the astonishing irony is you use this to defend Microsoft so money grubbing they got to have a $ in their name.
The reality is this topic is about limiting *ALL* users(and developers), by locking their platform down, to turn it into a glorified electronics device, and squeeze some extra billions out of its crumbling monopoly.
posting a inflammatory rant off topic doesnt make you look any smarter. I am not defending microsoft, I just happen to notice every time FSF gets worked up there's always a required "donation".
How you magically tie this in to being a YAY GO MS post is beyond me, and your ongoing blather about some nytimes writer is pointless in context
I like you Osgeld, I admire a man prepared to defend a Mega-corporation fearlessly. I love the way you tried so hard to create something nefarious against an organisation that relies on donations...asking for Donations like Freebsd and Wikipedia, or lets be honest these people produce something of value, Richard Stallman is who he is because he created a compiler that produced faster binaries than the competition at a time when they cost thousands of dollors...and gave it away...and yet your painting this organisation in a bad light compared to Microsoft...the shits who can't even pay TAX, the stuff the feeds roads; hospitals; schools. Seriously love what you do for Microsoft.
I like the way that ad hominem works better than rational discussion. The sad fact is I was watching an article a video about replacing Ballmer...and the main reason given was he wasn't telegenic (I had to look it up). Have we really reached a stage where what we look like is more important than what we are. I do think you would benefit a little more if you looked at he issues in hand.
But no I wouldn't expect the average user to be able to change a CPU, but installing a new web browser is something every computer user should be able to do
Here is the thing I disagree. Windows is crap in he context of this discussion, and Linux is a dream(and Android/iOS). Because installing is hard. Let me paint a typical scenario...Windows is running slowly!! The problem is not one thing; its everything, There is 4 unused bittorrent clients, A half uninstallled version of MobileME (how do you get rid of that icon...what is Mobile ME), there is a dozen links to defunct printers; scanners; wireless dongles and additional crap it installs. There is a whole host of things running in the background Bollox.exe is using a lot of CPU. There is Firefox 3.6, and IE with several toolbars how did they get there...both Yahoo and Google. A typing Tutor Program, that records every damn keystroke, and several programs that update and load Adobe/Office products in the background to speed up its loading while crippling everything else...and that outdated virus scanner...still searches, but never fixes or updates...until it gets fed some money!...and this is the EVERY PC.
Please don't pretend things are easy because they are for you.
This is where car analogies fall apart, the engine of a computer is the CPU, but they are usually much easier to change than a car engine except when then are surface mounted. But no I wouldn't expect the average user to be able to change a CPU, but installing a new web browser is something every computer user should be able to do, it isn't really any harder than sticking a new satnav to your windscreen and plugging the cord in the cigarette lighter socket.
....Its a skill analogy...It could have been butcher; baker and marine biologist. This week indirectly I paid hundreds of people for their skills, some as basic as *packing*,and vast majority of them were completed better than I ever could, and many would require thousands of hours to become an expert.
As a side note the CPU in the Car...is part of the driver;)
It shows that their code was [and maybe he potential to be ]portable, admittedly last version for the Mac was 9 years ago 5.2.3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_Mac. Microsoft admit their own inadequacy by not just producing code incompatible with other platforms, but even versions of its their own platform. The sad fact is they have lost half their market to competing platform even though though they bundle it with their monopolistic product. Nobody would ever install it on alternative platforms. Although Microsoft not doing so is a sign that they are not planning on competing though improving their products.
Terrible analogies. Before you go around driving a car by yourself, you typically learn how to drive a car with the help of others so you don't put others in danger, right?
With "Secure Boot" and other abuse misnamed technology technology, Locking down devices to a non-upgradable[under the guise of an electronic device] Microsoft Platform, and allowing only Applications from a Microsoft store...where already Mozilla and Google are running to anti-trust groups saying their software is locked out [and no, pointing out how awful iOS is, does not solve the problem or excuse it] the fact that Microsoft cannot secure their own software, while it still occupies 40% of the market is just offensive, customers should be given their money back.
Microsoft has wanted for ages that those users upgrade. Would they resort to this method to scare people into upgrading?
Microsoft aren't even getting a sales bump from launching a new version of their platform, providing a shitty experience on their platform has them running to any other platform, and have yet to transition to the new world, where they are not the Daddy!. Android is set to surpass them next year. I'd argue it was more to provide advantages over previous versions of their OS when really their is very little real advantages present. Simply leaving the older unmaintained version insecure is simply a bonus.
Anyone still using IE6 or IE7 deserves to get hacked anyway. I might have a crocodile tear for IE8 users
I not a doctor - Do I deserve to get sick, I'm not a mechanic - Do I have to walk..How about fixing leaky tap!...how about making a violin!!. I am not an expert in everything, and have been rarely been out of education, some things take years to learn. The truth is why should everyone be executed to be experts at computing.The sad fact is the world is moving towards electronics away from general purpose computers...making experts like you redundant!
See this is the shit that happens when abusive monopolist ties a Browser to an Operating System. I have heard the excuses as to why Microsoft fails to provide upgrades to it. but poorly designed software should not be an excuse. (In fact where is the Android version!?) I think the best thing is Microsoft is to pay the Mozilla foundation money for providing real support to its customers (it indirecty does), and remove IE from XP altogether. The sad fact is sitting in court and rocking like a nutter while your lie your ass off, may keep all your software projects under one roof...but it looks stupid years later when your OS is about to be taken over by Linux done by a company that has its own billions in the bank.
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I hope the surface tanks. Linux users are probably more likely to want keyboards than windows users.
....but that is not the point. Linux users that do *keyboard intensive tasks* want keyboards...whether they want undersized candy coloured keyboards is dubious, or them attached to an undersized tablet is a another matter, but implying that the average user uses the keyboard more that any other OS is simply a little strange X pre-dates Windows :). Those that do you can see on here flaming each other about which one is best...although I believe in that knife fight the IBM Model M wins.
just another lesson learned from Apple.
I'm tired of Apple being used to justify shitty behaviour from Microsoft. In this case its no even true.
Just because you're buying "hardware" doesn't mean you're getting the privilege of installing whatever the hell you want on the device.
See ignoring the massive flag waving response. I have this belief that if I buy something I can do what the hell I want with it. When did I start hiring/licensing my computer!! Can Microsoft really not effective compete with Linux the OS you claim in not ready (It is has been for years) I believe the Android variant is set to eclipse Windows Next Year.
Guess Microsoft is kind of following along the steps of Apple on this one..
...No Microsoft is forging the way ahead on Monopolistic abuse. You can still install Linux on Apple computers (just not upgrade any components). The fact that they are adopting in part Apples business model at the expense of its OEM partners is just hilarious, as Apples profit margins are set to slump :).
Except mobile phones are not locked down, famously even Apple has a DMCA exception to jailbreaking. Sony famously dropped its Linux from the PS3 because it couldn't get tax benefits for being a computer.
The reality is Microsoft (still a monopoly on the desktop) is turning a computer into an electronics device, and the should be stopped...and it won't be.
Its so obvious how that going to turn out, Android is going to overtake Windows, as my phone becomes more open than my computer. My next GNU\Linux computer will be a touchscreen chromebook!?
Why do people think that no one complained about Apple's lock down? They've had a walled garden in place since iOS 2.0 and it's always been a point of contention. Secure Boot just brings the threat of universal lock down that much closer.
Well to be fair both the FSF and EFF have been heavily involved after Apple demonised their customers calling them criminals for for jailbreaking Apples Phones(not theirs). Ignoring the fact that those are *electronic* devices and Apple is nowhere near a monopoly (I now its not a good answer for apple users), but again the same groups are not just focused on Microsoft. As for the FSF a quick Google gives this http://www.defectivebydesign.org/blog/1256, although the jailbreak DMCA exemption for the iPhone...and not the tablet, have been big news on most technology sites.
one simple observation without going off on a witch hunt?
Oh did you thing think suggesting people were frothing at the mouth...or calling the retards...or accusing them of taking money under false pretences, because they provide an alternative to the software your running is not acceptable.
Abusive ad hominem is black and white, and has nothing to do with cause. The sad fact is you are still attacking the FSF. I'll keep an eye out for your username
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People who use things like "freetard" don't realize it but they basically end up with a mindset none to different from racists.
Its nothing like racism is just old fashioned bullying which does rely on aggression and hate. More "Mean Girls" and less "mississippi burning"
again where do I praise MS?
I'm sorry I thought you were holding a one man army smear campaign using made up unsubstantiated (and ridiculous) rumours against the FSF who are naturally against *Microsoft* in restricting the running free software on commodity hardware in a thread that deals with that. The bottom line is your behaviour has been appalling, and a deliberate action in stopping the FSF getting funding, for what most see as a good cause.
again where the heck are you getting this YAY GO MS attitude from?
personally, fuck them both
You have personally attacked the integrity of the FSF, on behalf of Microsoft. So no lets not "fuck them". You see lots of people do not *agree* with the FSF, or think their views are misplaced, or have alternate views, but everybody is 100% in agreement that "win, lose or draw" for the past 27 years they have had a preference for promoted the universal freedom to create, distribute and modify computer software, you might not agree with it, but it has never and I repeat never been to line their own pockets...the astonishing irony is you use this to defend Microsoft so money grubbing they got to have a $ in their name.
The reality is this topic is about limiting *ALL* users(and developers), by locking their platform down, to turn it into a glorified electronics device, and squeeze some extra billions out of its crumbling monopoly.
posting a inflammatory rant off topic doesnt make you look any smarter. I am not defending microsoft, I just happen to notice every time FSF gets worked up there's always a required "donation".
How you magically tie this in to being a YAY GO MS post is beyond me, and your ongoing blather about some nytimes writer is pointless in context
I like you Osgeld, I admire a man prepared to defend a Mega-corporation fearlessly. I love the way you tried so hard to create something nefarious against an organisation that relies on donations...asking for Donations like Freebsd and Wikipedia, or lets be honest these people produce something of value, Richard Stallman is who he is because he created a compiler that produced faster binaries than the competition at a time when they cost thousands of dollors...and gave it away...and yet your painting this organisation in a bad light compared to Microsoft...the shits who can't even pay TAX, the stuff the feeds roads; hospitals; schools. Seriously love what you do for Microsoft.
neckbeards, unite!
I like the way that ad hominem works better than rational discussion. The sad fact is I was watching an article a video about replacing Ballmer...and the main reason given was he wasn't telegenic (I had to look it up). Have we really reached a stage where what we look like is more important than what we are. I do think you would benefit a little more if you looked at he issues in hand.
freetards
I know adding "tard" to the end of thinks magically makes you cleverer than they are. It doesn't
But I love the irony of you defending Microsoft an abusive multiple offending monopolist, a nasty company by every measure, has shenanigans, by recent favourite by this awful awful company is to hirer Mark Penn who unlike you is a professional shit slinger, who has has a department to match “strategic and special projects” http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/technology/microsoft-battles-google-by-hiring-political-brawler-mark-penn.html?_r=0 what a nice man
41,000 isn't even a small drop in the bucked
Lets compare it so something more tangible and relevant, where are the 41,000 requesting this feature...with this particular solution?
But no I wouldn't expect the average user to be able to change a CPU, but installing a new web browser is something every computer user should be able to do
Here is the thing I disagree. Windows is crap in he context of this discussion, and Linux is a dream(and Android /iOS). Because installing is hard. Let me paint a typical scenario...Windows is running slowly!! The problem is not one thing; its everything, There is 4 unused bittorrent clients, A half uninstallled version of MobileME (how do you get rid of that icon...what is Mobile ME), there is a dozen links to defunct printers; scanners; wireless dongles and additional crap it installs. There is a whole host of things running in the background Bollox.exe is using a lot of CPU. There is Firefox 3.6, and IE with several toolbars how did they get there...both Yahoo and Google. A typing Tutor Program, that records every damn keystroke, and several programs that update and load Adobe/Office products in the background to speed up its loading while crippling everything else...and that outdated virus scanner...still searches, but never fixes or updates...until it gets fed some money!...and this is the EVERY PC.
Please don't pretend things are easy because they are for you.
This is where car analogies fall apart, the engine of a computer is the CPU, but they are usually much easier to change than a car engine except when then are surface mounted. But no I wouldn't expect the average user to be able to change a CPU, but installing a new web browser is something every computer user should be able to do, it isn't really any harder than sticking a new satnav to your windscreen and plugging the cord in the cigarette lighter socket.
....Its a skill analogy...It could have been butcher; baker and marine biologist. This week indirectly I paid hundreds of people for their skills, some as basic as *packing*,and vast majority of them were completed better than I ever could, and many would require thousands of hours to become an expert.
As a side note the CPU in the Car...is part of the driver ;)
There is no shortage of these lists. ...
International Buisness Times http://www.ibtimes.com/biggest-tech-flops-2012-top-5-failures-facebook-ipo-microsoft-surface-977488
Think Digit http://www.thinkdigit.com/General/The-5-biggest-tech-failures-of-2012_11866.html
Read Write http://readwrite.com/2012/12/14/top-10-epic-tech-gadget-failures
Why pick the one that is designed for a tablet..or one that doesn't mention Windows 8; Windows Phone 8...or Surface.
They are past tense.
It shows that their code was [and maybe he potential to be ]portable, admittedly last version for the Mac was 9 years ago 5.2.3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_Mac. Microsoft admit their own inadequacy by not just producing code incompatible with other platforms, but even versions of its their own platform. The sad fact is they have lost half their market to competing platform even though though they bundle it with their monopolistic product. Nobody would ever install it on alternative platforms. Although Microsoft not doing so is a sign that they are not planning on competing though improving their products.
who uses IE?
...about 54% according to Net Application, and has been rising for the past four months. Thank god for Mobile computing is all I can say.
Terrible analogies. Before you go around driving a car by yourself, you typically learn how to drive a car with the help of others so you don't put others in danger, right?
...but not replace the engine.
With "Secure Boot" and other abuse misnamed technology technology, Locking down devices to a non-upgradable[under the guise of an electronic device] Microsoft Platform, and allowing only Applications from a Microsoft store...where already Mozilla and Google are running to anti-trust groups saying their software is locked out [and no, pointing out how awful iOS is, does not solve the problem or excuse it] the fact that Microsoft cannot secure their own software, while it still occupies 40% of the market is just offensive, customers should be given their money back.
Obligatory: Get the update patch here: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/
Its a work around.
Microsoft has wanted for ages that those users upgrade.
Would they resort to this method to scare people into upgrading?
Microsoft aren't even getting a sales bump from launching a new version of their platform, providing a shitty experience on their platform has them running to any other platform, and have yet to transition to the new world, where they are not the Daddy!. Android is set to surpass them next year. I'd argue it was more to provide advantages over previous versions of their OS when really their is very little real advantages present. Simply leaving the older unmaintained version insecure is simply a bonus.
Anyone still using IE6 or IE7 deserves to get hacked anyway. I might have a crocodile tear for IE8 users
I not a doctor - Do I deserve to get sick, I'm not a mechanic - Do I have to walk..How about fixing leaky tap!...how about making a violin!!. I am not an expert in everything, and have been rarely been out of education, some things take years to learn. The truth is why should everyone be executed to be experts at computing.The sad fact is the world is moving towards electronics away from general purpose computers...making experts like you redundant!
See this is the shit that happens when abusive monopolist ties a Browser to an Operating System. I have heard the excuses as to why Microsoft fails to provide upgrades to it. but poorly designed software should not be an excuse. (In fact where is the Android version!?) I think the best thing is Microsoft is to pay the Mozilla foundation money for providing real support to its customers (it indirecty does), and remove IE from XP altogether. The sad fact is sitting in court and rocking like a nutter while your lie your ass off, may keep all your software projects under one roof...but it looks stupid years later when your OS is about to be taken over by Linux done by a company that has its own billions in the bank.