This late in the season for a launch it's likely there is not a lot of this product in the pipeline. Advertising products you can't deliver is stupid - a waste of effort.
I know your right. Google handled the Nexus 4 launch [sold out in 30 minutes] badly, they must have pissed a lot of people off. I am not convinced of the hybrid laptop/tablet, or even that its a good form factor for the masses, or even that Windows 8 [or Chrome] is any good on those devices, but not having a machine out there to compete, when Microsoft are hellbent on Destroying the Desktop for this; Its what Chome was designed to do. Seems bizarre.
Its a strange point as all I really want is GNULinux/Android/Touchscreen/ARM for cheap and I suspect I will pick up one on sale this generation[sans touchscreen], or a full price one next generation[with touchscreen]. Although in reality I hope that OEMs start to pull themselves together to respond to Microsoft's selling hardware, by not Selling Microsoft's Software.
They bought a computers cheaper than you and your making out your more intelligent. The irony burns. I would be very surprised if any are disappointed with their purchases.
I will pay an extra $500+ for a well-designed & configured machine. For a robust, stable OS. For cheap OS upgrades. For useful free apps - pages, numbers, etc. For standards compliance. For better than average HW, w/ excellent, reliable support. For a good OBE. For drivers that work the first time. For a decent user interface. For free, professional, in person help in every major city in the world. For not wasting 200 hrs on configuration. For a good API & Xcode. For a useful command-line. For smart standards & consistently. For fighting entropy. For letting me get stuff done quickly. For a free HW swap within warranty. For useful online documentation. For a ridiculous resale value. For BSD / Unix. For superior security.
The irony of having al this by just installed Linux. Seriously what a waste of money.
A Linux VM can be a wonderful dev "box". Lots of tools just an apt-get away. But yes, it can be torture trying to get it to on (say) an old Atom netbook with Intel graphics. For some reason, I couldn't get it to recognise the graphics chip as legit:/
I'm quite surprised that someone would be brave enough to make this comment today. What your saying is not just untrue, Linux has dedicated distributions just for Netbooks, and light Linux ones too. If for some reason you still need to force the "intel" driver. There are many ways to achieve this (forcing the intel driver with an/etc/X11/xorg.conf, removing the xserver-xorg-video-modesetting and/or xserver-xorg-video-fbdev, but if your capable of running a VM you are more than capable of these solutions. I have a slew of expensive hardware that won't work with Windows7 including scanners and wireless adapters...and several computers. Linux has a whole host of problems...hardware support isn't one of them.
If they wanted a cheap netbook to put Linux on, Google is selling Acer's Intel-based dual-core 64bit VT-enabled chromebook with 2GB RAM and a 320GB HDD for $200.
I noticed this too. They do seem incredibly good value. I have no idea why Google are not pushing them more. The deal is also unfortunately US centric. I did notice that Google is planning on launching a touchscreen version, which hopefully would bring me Ubuntu with Androids in a virtual machine.
Am I missing something? The name doesn't mean much to me. So, why exactly? Gosh maybe I'm am a non-nerd. Here, someone take my card. Besides, people said the same thing about Android, and it's done all right. And how many thetes even know what the os in iOS stands for?
Jolla means 'dinghy' i.e. small boat, in Finnish. A particularly delightful meaning in Finland is perhaps the most common usage of 'jolla', in relation to the 'optimisti jolla', a one-person tiny sailboat on which many of us learn to sail. It actually takes the core distribution (which mean it does not contain system kernel and UI) from Mer (operating system)
Isn't Android compatibility a death sentence for an OS because of Google's blackmail of the Android OEMs?.
From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyun_OS "According to Google, Aliyun is a forked but incompatible version of its open-source Android operating system. The company therefore attempted to prevent Acer Inc. from shipping an Aliyun-powered phone, arguing that Acer, a member of the Open Handset Alliance, had agreed not to produce phones running incompatible Android versions.[4][5] Alibaba disputes the claim that Aliyun is a version of Android;[6] however, the Aliyun app store does prominently feature pirated Android applications, including many from Google.[7]"
So the Meego-forked based OS is good to go. In fact "Tizen" by Samsung shares the very same lineage.
The smartphone market is split between Android and Android [Came to market with a open/zero cost competitive smartphone OS], there are many ways to compete with Android, being like Apple [Who were first to market with a compelling product] is not one of them.
We don't care for cricket scores in Walkaboutmissiquanga or rioting in a village deep inside the African Congo anymore than we do about this !!
Not sure why not. I'm personally a little tired of the Media desperately pushing the lie of the "third ecosystem", and trying to pretend the destruction of Nokia by Elop; Microsoft; The shareholders byvarious fanatics and paid shills around the net that Windows Phone is sensible rational choice, and throwing good money after bad is a great thing, when lets face it its simply not that good, in fact its awful. I'm also tired of the the Smartphone market becoming the Android market. Its a great product, and continues to be, but its a one horse race, with Apple unashamedly chasing profit over market share, making the same mistake as the PC market [or success if your an Apple fanatic]
This is the first OS I've seen that has made sense; I could see myself buying. It could be a great product, potentially an even more open OS in the market; Android compatibility; multitasking done right. [and I miss that from Meamo]. Its done by professionals; the underdog; those pushed aside for Elops vision...its a true underdog story. Personally I hope the Finish are flag waving, and pushing the the Government into offering Jolla real support. The only thing that might stop me caring...is BB10, but I'm not holding my breath.
...is awesome looking. Having only part bought into Microsoft marketing of a third smartphone OS [no its not an ecosystem]. This is the the first time. I have been sold on an OS on first impressions. I'm not overwhelmed with the swipe-down menu...or self customising...but the lock-screen; Multitasking widgets? both great looking and functional features.
I'm not confident in what you are referring to. You seem a little confused. https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23772412 I am comparing like with like from your example"current version android tables of the current version to iPads", What may be wrong is comparing a 7" tablet with a 10" tablet or not including 5" and above phones as tablets, but nobody every argues those points, because Apple would look even worse.
Chrome runs a separate process for each window. I'm pretty sure Firefox is 1 process. With 1 process normally freeing memory does not return it to the OS. So closing a Firefox tab would not really shrink the Firefox process, while closing a Chrome tab would end a process and return its memory to the OS for re-use. It makes sense that Chrome might be better memory usage after extended use.
The article is a little out of date, but you get the point.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-7-chrome-20-firefox-13-opera-12,3228-12.html "IE9 uses half as much memory as most of the competition with only one tab open. Firefox has always had the lowest 40-tab memory usage total, but version 13 takes its single-tab total down to just 61 MB, which is right in line with Safari and Opera. What the composite score does not show is the speed at which the different browsers return memory back to the operating system. Chrome is the only contender to do this instantaneously. While Firefox and IE9 drop usage totals a great deal, they can take a minute to do so."
As you see what you said does not refute my point, just adds to it.
Its suggested that Samsung tablets are designed by Lawyers to get around Apples stupid design patents [I think ironically by Apples Lawyers]. I know round is the shape of the Firefox Logo, but its an incredibly wasteful shape. I cannot believe that Apple have succeeded in effectively corned the market of square boxes with round corners...its an icon theme at best. I'd rather have no standard shape than a stupid one, even with lasy App develops keeping one [often fuzzy]icon from iOS [A personal hatred of mine]
The smartphone market already has a ton of operating systems.
...The smartphone market does have a "ton"[sic] of operating systems, but other than Android, and iOS[tied to one phone manufacturer], the others have either failed to make a market presence, failed to reinvent themselves against the competition, or simply been retired.
I'm not sure I believe in the third-ecosystem, or all arguments for it...but I see no reason, why a product that can successfully differentiate itself from lets be honest Android, with a unique selling point [killer apps; social integration; free Justin Bieber t-shirts!?]. I'm not sure if Firefox OS is going to be the next big thing, but I see no reason for questioning another entry into the market. Personally I loved Maemo and could easily imagine one of its successors with real backing taking off.
As for your comment on Firefox and its Memory Management its simply out of date, if anything Firefox is too frugal with memory, please do not lie.
What is ironic is that he claims that Apple and Microsoft are loosing relevance.
:) Sorry the reference was about, in the old world, on the Market shares were Desktop 90% Microsoft; 5% Apple; 2% Linux respectively in the New Mobile world its 70% Linux; 15% Apple; 2% Microsoft respectively.
In the context of this article the Apples tablet market share has dropped from 70% to 50% in the last quarter, and Microsoft have yet to have a successful product.
There is nothing ironic about those figures they are simply facts. Its a new world.:)
Its oddly Ironic reading Apple propaganda, about Microsoft Propaganda. In fact it makes my head hurt. Thank heavens both these ghastly companies are losing relevance. I notice the Nexus 7 is optimistic about selling 5 Million tablets by new year [For reference Apple sold 14million tablets last quarter]
The sad second part of the the story celebrity endorsement is simply business as usual, I was reading about Adidas and Puma http://www.neatorama.com/2012/11/19/Family-Feud-Adidas-vs-Puma/#more just today, and how part of their success was getting Jesse Owens to wear their shoes. The only thing that has changes is the world is giving more power to celebrity endorsements as people "like" what they are told to like books; movies; products...and you have to go along to fit in. I personally believe the hipster fashion is simply a way of liking thinks and pretending they are irony [although to be fair I'm the only one that thinks so].
I'm not getting the impression that the Mac Mini is so much more expensive. On the contrary...
- Core i3 vs core i5/i7. - No RAM (2 * DDR slots) vs 4GB RAM - No HD vs 500GB/1TB HD - HDMI, Thunderbolt (or GigE and an extra HDMI), 3 * USB2 vs GigE, Thunderbolt, HDMI, WireWire, 4 * USB3, SD Card, Speaker In, Speaker Out - No OS vs OS X
That is because you find it difficult to price component of an equivalent barebone system to make it fully functional.
No, this is a motherboard and case for half of what a Mac Mini in working order goes for. At $300, you still need to add a power supply, mSata storage, memory, ethernet, etc.
Mac mini's start at $599, ready to run, with an i5, 4gb ram, 500gb hdd, and have ethernet, firewire, sound ports, etc.
Mac mini's start at $599, ready to run, with an i5, 4gb ram, 500gb hdd, and have ethernet, firewire, sound ports, etc.
System comes with a 65W laptop-style power brick that plugs into the back of the enclosure, are you seriously implying that the addition of a $300 to spend on hard drives and memory is a bad thing, with the advantage the device comes with 2 expansion slots. The idea as I read it is this will be given to "system builders" to make ready.
Yes because MAC invented small PC's its not like the microATX was introduced in December 1997. The original
release was January 22, 2005 for the MAC Mini. Lets ignore the rich history of SFF PC's from the likes of Shuttle [I have owned many] http://www.shuttle.com/ or even new popular brands like Revo from Acer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acer_Aspire_Revo Which oddly I also own.
First, every computing-capable non-mainframe computer is a PC.
Second, there will always be a need for PCs with "normal" computational capacity
I am not convinced that we will in a post-pc world...an always connected world maybe. but I disagree with you justification on defending a PC as a "personal computer", because tablets/Smartphones albeit incredibly powerful computing devices, and not tradition [Desktop] PCs. Ironically you recognise this by saying smartphones and tablets cannot do [well do badly], by accessing that traditional PC's [what you call "normal"(sic) PC's].
I'm kind of tired of people trying to defend traditional PC's. If you create Stuff [CAD; Programming; Large Documents; Design], as opposed to consume things on the couch or on the Public transport You use a PC. The reality is most people here have tablets; PCs; Smartphones and know what niche they all occupy [or know why they don't want one].
So basically it's everything we didn't like in Mac Mini
Who is the "we" my main problem with the Mac Mini is the Price, and this is half that, and has more flexibility. Not really sure what this has to do with Microsoft being stupid, this looks like bog standard hardware.
Not a troll, just a comment that is more a history reference, in a world where its been impossible to buy a PC without an OS for years http://www.zdnet.com/top-five-pc-manufacturers-fail-naked-pc-test-3039286228/ this is an article describing how difficult it was in 2007. The truth is Microsoft created the [propaganda] term "Naked PC" for "its dramatic value and as a means for creating the impression that it is evil to sell computers without operating systems because they might be used for so-called software piracy" http://www.linfo.org/naked_pc.html
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This late in the season for a launch it's likely there is not a lot of this product in the pipeline. Advertising products you can't deliver is stupid - a waste of effort.
I know your right. Google handled the Nexus 4 launch [sold out in 30 minutes] badly, they must have pissed a lot of people off. I am not convinced of the hybrid laptop/tablet, or even that its a good form factor for the masses, or even that Windows 8 [or Chrome] is any good on those devices, but not having a machine out there to compete, when Microsoft are hellbent on Destroying the Desktop for this; Its what Chome was designed to do. Seems bizarre.
Its a strange point as all I really want is GNULinux/Android/Touchscreen/ARM for cheap and I suspect I will pick up one on sale this generation[sans touchscreen], or a full price one next generation[with touchscreen]. Although in reality I hope that OEMs start to pull themselves together to respond to Microsoft's selling hardware, by not Selling Microsoft's Software.
They bought a computers cheaper than you and your making out your more intelligent. The irony burns. I would be very surprised if any are disappointed with their purchases.
I will pay an extra $500+
for a well-designed & configured machine.
For a robust, stable OS.
For cheap OS upgrades.
For useful free apps - pages, numbers, etc.
For standards compliance.
For better than average HW, w/ excellent, reliable support.
For a good OBE.
For drivers that work the first time.
For a decent user interface.
For free, professional, in person help in every major city in the world.
For not wasting 200 hrs on configuration.
For a good API & Xcode.
For a useful command-line.
For smart standards & consistently.
For fighting entropy.
For letting me get stuff done quickly.
For a free HW swap within warranty.
For useful online documentation.
For a ridiculous resale value.
For BSD / Unix.
For superior security.
The irony of having al this by just installed Linux. Seriously what a waste of money.
Can we get OpenGL based hardware accelerated rendering already?
You should already have it :)
Tools > Preferences > Advanced > General > Browsing: "Use hardware acceleration when available"
A Linux VM can be a wonderful dev "box". Lots of tools just an apt-get away. But yes, it can be torture trying to get it to on (say) an old Atom netbook with Intel graphics. For some reason, I couldn't get it to recognise the graphics chip as legit :/
I'm quite surprised that someone would be brave enough to make this comment today. What your saying is not just untrue, Linux has dedicated distributions just for Netbooks, and light Linux ones too. If for some reason you still need to force the "intel" driver. There are many ways to achieve this (forcing the intel driver with an /etc/X11/xorg.conf, removing the xserver-xorg-video-modesetting and/or xserver-xorg-video-fbdev, but if your capable of running a VM you are more than capable of these solutions. I have a slew of expensive hardware that won't work with Windows7 including scanners and wireless adapters...and several computers. Linux has a whole host of problems...hardware support isn't one of them.
If they wanted a cheap netbook to put Linux on, Google is selling Acer's Intel-based dual-core 64bit VT-enabled chromebook with 2GB RAM and a 320GB HDD for $200.
I noticed this too. They do seem incredibly good value. I have no idea why Google are not pushing them more. The deal is also unfortunately US centric. I did notice that Google is planning on launching a touchscreen version, which hopefully would bring me Ubuntu with Androids in a virtual machine.
Am I missing something? The name doesn't mean much to me. So, why exactly? Gosh maybe I'm am a non-nerd. Here, someone take my card. Besides, people said the same thing about Android, and it's done all right. And how many thetes even know what the os in iOS stands for?
Jolla means 'dinghy' i.e. small boat, in Finnish. A particularly delightful meaning in Finland is perhaps the most common usage of 'jolla', in relation to the 'optimisti jolla', a one-person tiny sailboat on which many of us learn to sail. It actually takes the core distribution (which mean it does not contain system kernel and UI) from Mer (operating system)
Interestingly in the second video I saw the Android logo (the green robot) flash by :-)
That is because of its Android Application compatibility.
Isn't Android compatibility a death sentence for an OS because of Google's blackmail of the Android OEMs?.
From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyun_OS
"According to Google, Aliyun is a forked but incompatible version of its open-source Android operating system. The company therefore attempted to prevent Acer Inc. from shipping an Aliyun-powered phone, arguing that Acer, a member of the Open Handset Alliance, had agreed not to produce phones running incompatible Android versions.[4][5] Alibaba disputes the claim that Aliyun is a version of Android;[6] however, the Aliyun app store does prominently feature pirated Android applications, including many from Google.[7]"
So the Meego-forked based OS is good to go. In fact "Tizen" by Samsung shares the very same lineage.
It worked for Apple
The smartphone market is split between Android and Android [Came to market with a open/zero cost competitive smartphone OS], there are many ways to compete with Android, being like Apple [Who were first to market with a compelling product] is not one of them.
Can you provide a link ?
http://www.phonedog.com/2012/11/21/jolla-demos-meego-based-sailfish-os-on-video/ has both the promo video, and more importantly a demonstration video which is very short and covers the main features.
We don't care for cricket scores in Walkaboutmissiquanga or rioting in a village deep inside the African Congo anymore than we do about this !!
Not sure why not. I'm personally a little tired of the Media desperately pushing the lie of the "third ecosystem", and trying to pretend the destruction of Nokia by Elop; Microsoft; The shareholders byvarious fanatics and paid shills around the net that Windows Phone is sensible rational choice, and throwing good money after bad is a great thing, when lets face it its simply not that good, in fact its awful. I'm also tired of the the Smartphone market becoming the Android market. Its a great product, and continues to be, but its a one horse race, with Apple unashamedly chasing profit over market share, making the same mistake as the PC market [or success if your an Apple fanatic]
This is the first OS I've seen that has made sense; I could see myself buying. It could be a great product, potentially an even more open OS in the market; Android compatibility; multitasking done right. [and I miss that from Meamo]. Its done by professionals; the underdog; those pushed aside for Elops vision...its a true underdog story. Personally I hope the Finish are flag waving, and pushing the the Government into offering Jolla real support. The only thing that might stop me caring...is BB10, but I'm not holding my breath.
...is awesome looking. Having only part bought into Microsoft marketing of a third smartphone OS [no its not an ecosystem]. This is the the first time. I have been sold on an OS on first impressions. I'm not overwhelmed with the swipe-down menu...or self customising...but the lock-screen; Multitasking widgets? both great looking and functional features.
Fasle dichotomy.
I'm not confident in what you are referring to. You seem a little confused. https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23772412 I am comparing like with like from your example"current version android tables of the current version to iPads", What may be wrong is comparing a 7" tablet with a 10" tablet or not including 5" and above phones as tablets, but nobody every argues those points, because Apple would look even worse.
Chrome runs a separate process for each window. I'm pretty sure Firefox is 1 process. With 1 process normally freeing memory does not return it to the OS. So closing a Firefox tab would not really shrink the Firefox process, while closing a Chrome tab would end a process and return its memory to the OS for re-use. It makes sense that Chrome might be better memory usage after extended use.
The article is a little out of date, but you get the point.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-7-chrome-20-firefox-13-opera-12,3228-12.html
"IE9 uses half as much memory as most of the competition with only one tab open. Firefox has always had the lowest 40-tab memory usage total, but version 13 takes its single-tab total down to just 61 MB, which is right in line with Safari and Opera. What the composite score does not show is the speed at which the different browsers return memory back to the operating system. Chrome is the only contender to do this instantaneously. While Firefox and IE9 drop usage totals a great deal, they can take a minute to do so."
As you see what you said does not refute my point, just adds to it.
Its suggested that Samsung tablets are designed by Lawyers to get around Apples stupid design patents [I think ironically by Apples Lawyers]. I know round is the shape of the Firefox Logo, but its an incredibly wasteful shape. I cannot believe that Apple have succeeded in effectively corned the market of square boxes with round corners...its an icon theme at best. I'd rather have no standard shape than a stupid one, even with lasy App develops keeping one [often fuzzy]icon from iOS [A personal hatred of mine]
The smartphone market already has a ton of operating systems.
...The smartphone market does have a "ton"[sic] of operating systems, but other than Android, and iOS[tied to one phone manufacturer], the others have either failed to make a market presence, failed to reinvent themselves against the competition, or simply been retired.
I'm not sure I believe in the third-ecosystem, or all arguments for it...but I see no reason, why a product that can successfully differentiate itself from lets be honest Android, with a unique selling point [killer apps; social integration; free Justin Bieber t-shirts!?]. I'm not sure if Firefox OS is going to be the next big thing, but I see no reason for questioning another entry into the market. Personally I loved Maemo and could easily imagine one of its successors with real backing taking off.
As for your comment on Firefox and its Memory Management its simply out of date, if anything Firefox is too frugal with memory, please do not lie.
What is ironic is that he claims that Apple and Microsoft are loosing relevance.
:) Sorry the reference was about, in the old world, on the Market shares were Desktop 90% Microsoft; 5% Apple; 2% Linux respectively in the New Mobile world its 70% Linux; 15% Apple; 2% Microsoft respectively.
In the context of this article the Apples tablet market share has dropped from 70% to 50% in the last quarter, and Microsoft have yet to have a successful product.
There is nothing ironic about those figures they are simply facts. Its a new world. :)
Its oddly Ironic reading Apple propaganda, about Microsoft Propaganda. In fact it makes my head hurt. Thank heavens both these ghastly companies are losing relevance. I notice the Nexus 7 is optimistic about selling 5 Million tablets by new year [For reference Apple sold 14million tablets last quarter]
The sad second part of the the story celebrity endorsement is simply business as usual, I was reading about Adidas and Puma http://www.neatorama.com/2012/11/19/Family-Feud-Adidas-vs-Puma/#more just today, and how part of their success was getting Jesse Owens to wear their shoes. The only thing that has changes is the world is giving more power to celebrity endorsements as people "like" what they are told to like books; movies; products...and you have to go along to fit in. I personally believe the hipster fashion is simply a way of liking thinks and pretending they are irony [although to be fair I'm the only one that thinks so].
I'm not getting the impression that the Mac Mini is so much more expensive. On the contrary...
- Core i3 vs core i5/i7.
- No RAM (2 * DDR slots) vs 4GB RAM
- No HD vs 500GB/1TB HD
- HDMI, Thunderbolt (or GigE and an extra HDMI), 3 * USB2 vs GigE, Thunderbolt, HDMI, WireWire, 4 * USB3, SD Card, Speaker In, Speaker Out
- No OS vs OS X
That is because you find it difficult to price component of an equivalent barebone system to make it fully functional.
No, this is a motherboard and case for half of what a Mac Mini in working order goes for. At $300, you still need to add a power supply, mSata storage, memory, ethernet, etc.
Mac mini's start at $599, ready to run, with an i5, 4gb ram, 500gb hdd, and have ethernet, firewire, sound ports, etc.
Mac mini's start at $599, ready to run, with an i5, 4gb ram, 500gb hdd, and have ethernet, firewire, sound ports, etc.
System comes with a 65W laptop-style power brick that plugs into the back of the enclosure, are you seriously implying that the addition of a $300 to spend on hard drives and memory is a bad thing, with the advantage the device comes with 2 expansion slots. The idea as I read it is this will be given to "system builders" to make ready.
I do find it cue you mention firewire :)
Intel wants them to also go after the Mac Mini
Yes because MAC invented small PC's its not like the microATX was introduced in December 1997. The original
release was January 22, 2005 for the MAC Mini. Lets ignore the rich history of SFF PC's from the likes of Shuttle [I have owned many] http://www.shuttle.com/ or even new popular brands like Revo from Acer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acer_Aspire_Revo Which oddly I also own.
First, every computing-capable non-mainframe computer is a PC.
Second, there will always be a need for PCs with "normal" computational capacity
I am not convinced that we will in a post-pc world...an always connected world maybe. but I disagree with you justification on defending a PC as a "personal computer", because tablets/Smartphones albeit incredibly powerful computing devices, and not tradition [Desktop] PCs. Ironically you recognise this by saying smartphones and tablets cannot do [well do badly], by accessing that traditional PC's [what you call "normal"(sic) PC's].
I'm kind of tired of people trying to defend traditional PC's. If you create Stuff [CAD; Programming; Large Documents; Design], as opposed to consume things on the couch or on the Public transport You use a PC. The reality is most people here have tablets; PCs; Smartphones and know what niche they all occupy [or know why they don't want one].
So basically it's everything we didn't like in Mac Mini
Who is the "we" my main problem with the Mac Mini is the Price, and this is half that, and has more flexibility. Not really sure what this has to do with Microsoft being stupid, this looks like bog standard hardware.
trollololol
Not a troll, just a comment that is more a history reference, in a world where its been impossible to buy a PC without an OS for years http://www.zdnet.com/top-five-pc-manufacturers-fail-naked-pc-test-3039286228/ this is an article describing how difficult it was in 2007. The truth is Microsoft created the [propaganda] term "Naked PC" for "its dramatic value and as a means for creating the impression that it is evil to sell computers without operating systems because they might be used for so-called software piracy" http://www.linfo.org/naked_pc.html