So why have I had some many problems with Intel open source video? (i915 comes to mind https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554432 ) Why have I had some many problems with ATI video in general? Why have I had no trouble with nVidia? Being open does not make it better. Just like being closed does not make it secure.
If your using Intel as an example of problems with an Open source driver. Then I think its probably a bad one. Intel have come from behind...having perhaps the worst driver. I mean living hell on Linux, with little to no 3D support. Its open source drivers now are wonderful. I have a range of Intel hardware...and support is pretty good.
Now lets do a like for like comparison with Intels GMA 500 "Poulsbo" Chipset, and its closed source driver.
The reality is being open, ignoring the politics and focussing of the development model...works, what intel has shown is that real company support of the open model produces incredible results.
Ignoring the fact that Facebook could benefit from having a phone that provides better content for them..easier input to phone through sylus/keyboard/camera, Have a larger screen to get those adverts people keep talking about without distracting from the content.
Ignoring the fact that Facebook is going to have to compete directly against Google+ as Google embed more social into their platform...that has been dominant for all but the most faithful Apple Fanboy.
Facebook could create a social phone. I personally find the whole idea terrifying but to the suitably narcissistic, and there does seem to be more of them than me. A smartphone is exciting because its always connected...A social phone could be so so much more, think about having zero privacy, your own permanent cctv and electronic tag combined focused solely on you, and the ability to get that information about your friends...or people you admire/like being admired.
They would like to be able to sell their product in China.
It relates to Android and its 70% lead in the market, and whether Google would give preferential treatment to Motorola.
On a fun side note Android had doubled its market share in a year to 70%, Apples share had...dropped to 5%, and is now being beaten by Windows Phone. It just shows how different some of the markets are.
"Marketshare (as opposed to usage share or other shares) is usually defined as "$ sales for product/$ sales for all products in the market". As such, both LO and AOO have either 0% marketshare or undefined marketshare, depending on how you draw the boundary of the market."
No it doesn't
1) Microsoft Windows is free with a PC.
2) Mobile Phones are free with a Service
3) All Google Products are Free
4) Free to Play Games are Free
5) My Hand me down electronics are all free
6) My Second electronic Device was Free
7) Firefox is Free
8) Internet Explorer is free with Microsoft Windows
The truth is "Market share is the percentage of a market (defined in terms of either units or revenue) accounted for by a specific entity." not my definition Wikipedia, that's not to say your definition is wrong its just not right. You have an outdated concept of product at a price.
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(Mate) looks like a dead-end. I'm sticking with xfce. Those guys should, too. It will probably be easier to do what they want with that base instead of the Gnome 2 base
They did the same thing years ago with Totem, which is just called "Movie Player" (to considerable annoyance).
What is wrong with it, is it needs no be universal. Its time to get rid of ALL the silly naming. Thing what is wrong with "Gnome Movie Player" or "Gnome Web". Let the renaming continue; "Epiphany" and "Totem" mean nothing.
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With GNOME 3.4 2012 is most certainly going to be year of the linux desktop!
With OSX 2012 is most certainly going to be year of the Apple server. With Windows Phone 7.5 2012 is going to be the year of the Microsoft Phone.
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Cinnamon is not a nice compromise. It is simply great. Its a way of accessing everything that is great about Gnome3 without any of the short term regressions.
It's actually pretty irrelevant anyway - Twitter has never had a business model. They just have no clue how to make money.
The only reason they are bitching is that they are worried investors will figure this out before they IPO and the employees cash out before they go down the drain...
Google used to give them money to access their data. Microsoft give them money $30 million a year for their data now. Thats not chump change.
I am a Windows Phone developer and something of a fan, but I would bet money that you are not -- you are just a troll. Hint: It's "Windows Phone". And while we're at it, let's throw a bone to the "unshaven scraggly neckbeards" and add that it's "GNU/Linux" (I wouldn't ordinarily, but I'm having fun smacking you down). And to be fair, Android isn't trash, especially when compared to the (old) Windows Mobile, which had all the sex appeal of Windows 3.1 to bring to your 21st century mobile device. I develop for Windows Phone because it's fun and similar to the technologies I use in my day job, and I like to create things for consumers, but I carry an Android phone because I can do anything I want with it in terms of homebrew and my own geekish forms of enjoyment.
Nice what is wrong with you, seriously, Is it because you can't say race and gender slurs any more. People generally grow beards, because they are losing hair to avoid looking like a potato; have a weak chin. There are fashionable reasons for having a beard, but only men that can pull of a wink without looking sleazy know how to style one of those. Thats not to say there is something wrong with a beard, most boys experiment with beards as part of becoming a man...you maybe did not. I personally had a short lived beard in 2000, enjoying its manliness, but not its maintenance, The worrying for me about this "windows eye for the linux guy" thing is do I have to start plucking my eyebrows, moisturise more, do face packs with friends, as clearly this is more important than a well though out argument.
If there's one thing we should learn from these ordeals, it's that people claiming to be "UI designers" should be shunned. Every commercial and open source project needs to limit the involvement of these people. They can make icons, but that's where it should end.
GNOME, Firefox, and Windows all had far more usable UIs when actual software developers were in charge of making the decisions. This isn't surprising, though. Software developers are mainly concerned with creating software that works, and that works well. "UI designers", on the other hand, are more interested in creating software that looks "pretty", even if it's damn impossible to use productively. Usability does not come from gradients and curved corners.
What worries me about posts like yours is it implies that "pretty" and "productive" cannot be the same. It worries me even more when users imply that they really are more productive if their windows vanish as opposed to turn into paper planes!! I really doubt it. I worry because what I definitely want is a "pretty" desktop...with nice wallpaper...that changes every five minutes. Hell I love pretty. I do not want my Applications Hidden from me...I do not want only click-->6 enormous icons-->click--->Show More Icons-->Click. I do not benefit from a blank desktop...formally my file todo...like it was a desktop metaphor or something....I do not want an infinite number of desktops to house full screen apps....4 desktops is manageable. I still drag...and drop between applications!? Pretty I love...Pretty I want. What everyone can agree on is the Usability irrespective of is being well thought out on these new Desktop UI...Is pretty awful, especially when input is keyboard and mouse and the touch-less screen is 15" or larger.
I want my things to be loaded as quickly as possible. I don't care about flashy desktop effects that make things slower.
I love flashy effects. for the i915 chipset(the crappy integrated intel one and above its changed how I work on the desktop(out of date metaphor) its gives the user better feedback. New Natural ways of working i.e. spinning a cube. You can switch special effects off on Linux(you still can just) for a few fps perhaps...there are benchmarks, but in practice I have never done so.
I may think if I was a cutting edge gamer; trying to squeeze out every last frame(Do these people still exist)...I would probably run a script to switch the glitz off while I was running the game. Seriously though though better drivers/card will I suspect make more difference..
As a Banshee User. I can honestly say the gap between Banshee and Rhythmbox box functionality split about the time, with Banshee becoming the better 3 panel music manager. That said Running the latest and greatest Banshee over the stock install provided better stability and functionality. That said I connot say any of the added features I will would miss greatly.
I don't like it because. It doesn't ring true. I dislike the solution to Gnome/Ubuntu changing from the desktop paradigm to use a different Windows Manager. I chose Gnome because in my very subjective opinion with the exception of K3B & Mp3 Diags GTK+ applications, and those part of the Gnome Desktop are better than their KDE equivalents. That has not changed because of Gnome Shell/Unity. If I did not believe that subjective statement to be true...I would already be using KDE.
I've used Linux since 1995, Debian since 1998 and Ubuntu since mid 2004, when the first 4.10 test release came out. Ubuntu Unity and Gnome 3 may be perfectly useful for computer newbies, who have no prior experience with any OS, but they are both very annoying for experienced computer users and unfortunately Windows 8 looks to be more of the same. So I switched to Xubuntu apparently the only decent option left, and I seem to be in good company there with Linus having switched to Xfce as well. I used to work for Canonical but really don't get what they are attempting to do. They kept talking about wanting to jump the chasm but it seems to be more of jumping the shark, losing a lot of their long time users in the process.
If they are attempting to reinvent all the OSes for tablet use, which is the only sane reason for this interface change, they are going to fail badly and lose their desktop and laptop share in the process. Apple's already won the tablet market, with Android trailing far behind, and chasing after it this late in the game is not going to be of much use.
I think the tablet game is Wide Open, Apple have a compelling lead, it worked out well for mp3 players, but not for phones Android from gone from nonthing to 2.4x iPhones share.
While I didn't find Unity bad, I found KDE so much better.
-- BMO
Interestingly Unity uses QT!?
These comments really annoy me. I like KDE, I really like XFCE,...but I love gnome. I love gnome apps. I'll be honest I even like the mono apps. I like many long term gnome users don't like Unity, or Gnome Shell. I don't want a replacement. I want an *alternative* menu designed for large screen+keyboard+mouse
And another reason this is a relatively meaningless metric: in many cases this is an apples to oranges [sorry, obvious pun;) ] comparison. iPhone retail prices (and discounted prices) are much higher than the average HTC phone retail/discount prices, and so Apple's profit margin (and total profit) are in another league from its competitors...
No apple says sales but they are shipments...shipments are really a business to business sale. Not that you should CARE.
Seriously I do wonder who posts on Slashdot. A shelf stacker knows not only is Shipments of an *Established* product a good "as is"metric, its probably a better "to be" metric. Its only a poor metric for gauging the "long term" success of a launch product, but then initial sales is not always a good indication either. Businesses unlike consumers have no brand loyalty, and will only buy products they can sell at a profit.
LOL Google+Other Corporations are not the FOSS community. WebM has some serious Corporate Backing. Google is not sitting around on their codec either seriously look at http://blog.webmproject.org/. The only real advantage for H.264 is embedded hardware, and by that I mean smartphones/tablets, I believe Google is quite a player in this area with a little green robot.
As much as I enjoy doing everything else on my Debian desktop, gaming on it is out of the question
You haven't been paying attention their is a plethora of exiting and innovative DRM free games coming out for Linux...they are just not from companies like Ubisoft.
I had moved away from gaming simply when the PC became Console Ports/Sims viewer. The Original Humble Bundle Opened my eyes to indies, and I have not looked back, Loving Project Zomboid right now.
There are a lot of good games in debian, best of lists are all over the internet.
I've actually got a slight impulse to do a credit chargeback since this software is not anywhere near fit-for-purpose under our local laws. With any luck, that'll slow these guys down from releasing dodgy software in future. Seriously, this isn't even worth the buck I paid.
You can try to get your money back from Microsoft, but seriously I don't think its worth the effort.
Linux users are starved for quality games, and thus heap praise (and money) upon anyone who develops for their platform. Same for Mac users, but to a lesser extent ever since Valve started releasing games for them. Windows users are spoiled by having every game of the past twenty years developed for their platform.
Or maybe Jonathan Blow, Markus Persson, and whoever "ExpiredPopsicle" is all reported themselves as Linux users and pulled up the average.
With the rise of cross platform gaming Linux is the winner...buying the indie bundles alone gives you 20+ gaming titles. The strange thing is supply and demand, at least on its own is not, does not work well in a "pay what you want" selling method. Linux uses like DRM free/Indie games for charity those are three more reasons to buy the games:)
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I have nothing but problems with Intel's drivers not working right under Linux... I only wish that they were as stable as NVidia's drivers.
...are you sure you have the binary drivers loaded in your machine. ;)
So why have I had some many problems with Intel open source video? (i915 comes to mind https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554432 ) Why have I had some many problems with ATI video in general? Why have I had no trouble with nVidia? Being open does not make it better. Just like being closed does not make it secure.
If your using Intel as an example of problems with an Open source driver. Then I think its probably a bad one. Intel have come from behind...having perhaps the worst driver. I mean living hell on Linux, with little to no 3D support. Its open source drivers now are wonderful. I have a range of Intel hardware...and support is pretty good.
Now lets do a like for like comparison with Intels GMA 500 "Poulsbo" Chipset, and its closed source driver.
The reality is being open, ignoring the politics and focussing of the development model...works, what intel has shown is that real company support of the open model produces incredible results.
Ignoring the fact that Facebook could benefit from having a phone that provides better content for them..easier input to phone through sylus/keyboard/camera, Have a larger screen to get those adverts people keep talking about without distracting from the content.
Ignoring the fact that Facebook is going to have to compete directly against Google+ as Google embed more social into their platform...that has been dominant for all but the most faithful Apple Fanboy.
Facebook could create a social phone. I personally find the whole idea terrifying but to the suitably narcissistic, and there does seem to be more of them than me. A smartphone is exciting because its always connected...A social phone could be so so much more, think about having zero privacy, your own permanent cctv and electronic tag combined focused solely on you, and the ability to get that information about your friends...or people you admire/like being admired.
They would like to be able to sell their product in China.
It relates to Android and its 70% lead in the market, and whether Google would give preferential treatment to Motorola.
On a fun side note Android had doubled its market share in a year to 70%, Apples share had...dropped to 5%, and is now being beaten by Windows Phone. It just shows how different some of the markets are.
Where do you think the actual phones are built? It sure as shit isn't America.
Samsung produce chips in America...Although I'm not really sure of why "Made" trumps "Sold"
"Marketshare (as opposed to usage share or other shares) is usually defined as "$ sales for product/$ sales for all products in the market". As such, both LO and AOO have either 0% marketshare or undefined marketshare, depending on how you draw the boundary of the market."
No it doesn't
1) Microsoft Windows is free with a PC.
2) Mobile Phones are free with a Service
3) All Google Products are Free
4) Free to Play Games are Free
5) My Hand me down electronics are all free
6) My Second electronic Device was Free
7) Firefox is Free
8) Internet Explorer is free with Microsoft Windows
The truth is "Market share is the percentage of a market (defined in terms of either units or revenue) accounted for by a specific entity." not my definition Wikipedia, that's not to say your definition is wrong its just not right. You have an outdated concept of product at a price.
(Mate) looks like a dead-end. I'm sticking with xfce. Those guys should, too. It will probably be easier to do what they want with that base instead of the Gnome 2 base
Using cinnamon http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ its a step forward from Gnome 2 without the regressions.
They did the same thing years ago with Totem, which is just called "Movie Player" (to considerable annoyance).
What is wrong with it, is it needs no be universal. Its time to get rid of ALL the silly naming. Thing what is wrong with "Gnome Movie Player" or "Gnome Web". Let the renaming continue; "Epiphany" and "Totem" mean nothing.
With GNOME 3.4 2012 is most certainly going to be year of the linux desktop!
With OSX 2012 is most certainly going to be year of the Apple server.
With Windows Phone 7.5 2012 is going to be the year of the Microsoft Phone.
Cinnamon is not a nice compromise. It is simply great. Its a way of accessing everything that is great about Gnome3 without any of the short term regressions.
It's actually pretty irrelevant anyway - Twitter has never had a business model. They just have no clue how to make money.
The only reason they are bitching is that they are worried investors will figure this out before they IPO and the employees cash out before they go down the drain...
Google used to give them money to access their data. Microsoft give them money $30 million a year for their data now. Thats not chump change.
I am a Windows Phone developer and something of a fan, but I would bet money that you are not -- you are just a troll. Hint: It's "Windows Phone". And while we're at it, let's throw a bone to the "unshaven scraggly neckbeards" and add that it's "GNU/Linux" (I wouldn't ordinarily, but I'm having fun smacking you down). And to be fair, Android isn't trash, especially when compared to the (old) Windows Mobile, which had all the sex appeal of Windows 3.1 to bring to your 21st century mobile device. I develop for Windows Phone because it's fun and similar to the technologies I use in my day job, and I like to create things for consumers, but I carry an Android phone because I can do anything I want with it in terms of homebrew and my own geekish forms of enjoyment.
Nice what is wrong with you, seriously, Is it because you can't say race and gender slurs any more. People generally grow beards, because they are losing hair to avoid looking like a potato; have a weak chin. There are fashionable reasons for having a beard, but only men that can pull of a wink without looking sleazy know how to style one of those. Thats not to say there is something wrong with a beard, most boys experiment with beards as part of becoming a man...you maybe did not. I personally had a short lived beard in 2000, enjoying its manliness, but not its maintenance, The worrying for me about this "windows eye for the linux guy" thing is do I have to start plucking my eyebrows, moisturise more, do face packs with friends, as clearly this is more important than a well though out argument.
If there's one thing we should learn from these ordeals, it's that people claiming to be "UI designers" should be shunned. Every commercial and open source project needs to limit the involvement of these people. They can make icons, but that's where it should end.
GNOME, Firefox, and Windows all had far more usable UIs when actual software developers were in charge of making the decisions. This isn't surprising, though. Software developers are mainly concerned with creating software that works, and that works well. "UI designers", on the other hand, are more interested in creating software that looks "pretty", even if it's damn impossible to use productively. Usability does not come from gradients and curved corners.
What worries me about posts like yours is it implies that "pretty" and "productive" cannot be the same. It worries me even more when users imply that they really are more productive if their windows vanish as opposed to turn into paper planes!! I really doubt it. I worry because what I definitely want is a "pretty" desktop...with nice wallpaper...that changes every five minutes. Hell I love pretty. I do not want my Applications Hidden from me...I do not want only click-->6 enormous icons-->click--->Show More Icons-->Click. I do not benefit from a blank desktop...formally my file todo...like it was a desktop metaphor or something....I do not want an infinite number of desktops to house full screen apps....4 desktops is manageable. I still drag...and drop between applications!? Pretty I love...Pretty I want. What everyone can agree on is the Usability irrespective of is being well thought out on these new Desktop UI...Is pretty awful, especially when input is keyboard and mouse and the touch-less screen is 15" or larger.
I want my things to be loaded as quickly as possible. I don't care about flashy desktop effects that make things slower.
I love flashy effects. for the i915 chipset(the crappy integrated intel one and above its changed how I work on the desktop(out of date metaphor) its gives the user better feedback. New Natural ways of working i.e. spinning a cube. You can switch special effects off on Linux(you still can just) for a few fps perhaps...there are benchmarks, but in practice I have never done so.
I may think if I was a cutting edge gamer; trying to squeeze out every last frame(Do these people still exist)...I would probably run a script to switch the glitz off while I was running the game. Seriously though though better drivers/card will I suspect make more difference..
As a Banshee User. I can honestly say the gap between Banshee and Rhythmbox box functionality split about the time, with Banshee becoming the better 3 panel music manager. That said Running the latest and greatest Banshee over the stock install provided better stability and functionality. That said I connot say any of the added features I will would miss greatly.
$18.6B NT is about $600M USD. Apple's total profit is about $7B over the same time, with about $5-6B from the iPhone.
It's great to see Apple competitors (especially Android-based) making a healthy profit... but still... in another league...
I would love to see where you get these figures from http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/10/despite-record-mac-sales-70-of-apples-revenue-comes-from-ios.ars I am to believe that Apple from 41% revenue makes makes 86% of its profit. I suspect you are exagerating just a tad :)
I don't like it because. It doesn't ring true. I dislike the solution to Gnome/Ubuntu changing from the desktop paradigm to use a different Windows Manager. I chose Gnome because in my very subjective opinion with the exception of K3B & Mp3 Diags GTK+ applications, and those part of the Gnome Desktop are better than their KDE equivalents. That has not changed because of Gnome Shell/Unity. If I did not believe that subjective statement to be true...I would already be using KDE.
I've used Linux since 1995, Debian since 1998 and Ubuntu since mid 2004, when the first 4.10 test release came out. Ubuntu Unity and Gnome 3 may be perfectly useful for computer newbies, who have no prior experience with any OS, but they are both very annoying for experienced computer users and unfortunately Windows 8 looks to be more of the same. So I switched to Xubuntu apparently the only decent option left, and I seem to be in good company there with Linus having switched to Xfce as well. I used to work for Canonical but really don't get what they are attempting to do. They kept talking about wanting to jump the chasm but it seems to be more of jumping the shark, losing a lot of their long time users in the process.
If they are attempting to reinvent all the OSes for tablet use, which is the only sane reason for this interface change, they are going to fail badly and lose their desktop and laptop share in the process. Apple's already won the tablet market, with Android trailing far behind, and chasing after it this late in the game is not going to be of much use.
I think the tablet game is Wide Open, Apple have a compelling lead, it worked out well for mp3 players, but not for phones Android from gone from nonthing to 2.4x iPhones share.
After hiding out in Gnome 2.3 while the KDE folks got their shit together, I tried KDE 4.7.2 in Ubuntu.
I'm staying. It's spectacular. It's really, really nice.
While I didn't find Unity bad, I found KDE so much better.
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BMO
Interestingly Unity uses QT!?
These comments really annoy me. I like KDE, I really like XFCE,...but I love gnome. I love gnome apps. I'll be honest I even like the mono apps. I like many long term gnome users don't like Unity, or Gnome Shell. I don't want a replacement. I want an *alternative* menu designed for large screen+keyboard+mouse
Exactly what I was going to say...
And another reason this is a relatively meaningless metric: in many cases this is an apples to oranges [sorry, obvious pun ;) ] comparison. iPhone retail prices (and discounted prices) are much higher than the average HTC phone retail/discount prices, and so Apple's profit margin (and total profit) are in another league from its competitors...
"(HTC) announced that its third quarter profit was NT$18.68bn, a 68 per cent increase from the same quarter in 2010"
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2121366/htc-causes-sensation-68-cent-rise-profits
Apple but clearly competing companies are making massive profits from Android
No apple says sales but they are shipments...shipments are really a business to business sale. Not that you should CARE.
Seriously I do wonder who posts on Slashdot. A shelf stacker knows not only is Shipments of an *Established* product a good "as is"metric, its probably a better "to be" metric. Its only a poor metric for gauging the "long term" success of a launch product, but then initial sales is not always a good indication either. Businesses unlike consumers have no brand loyalty, and will only buy products they can sell at a profit.
LOL Google+Other Corporations are not the FOSS community. WebM has some serious Corporate Backing. Google is not sitting around on their codec either seriously look at http://blog.webmproject.org/. The only real advantage for H.264 is embedded hardware, and by that I mean smartphones/tablets, I believe Google is quite a player in this area with a little green robot.
As much as I enjoy doing everything else on my Debian desktop, gaming on it is out of the question
You haven't been paying attention their is a plethora of exiting and innovative DRM free games coming out for Linux...they are just not from companies like Ubisoft.
I had moved away from gaming simply when the PC became Console Ports/Sims viewer. The Original Humble Bundle Opened my eyes to indies, and I have not looked back, Loving Project Zomboid right now.
There are a lot of good games in debian, best of lists are all over the internet.
I've actually got a slight impulse to do a credit chargeback since this software is not anywhere near fit-for-purpose under our local laws. With any luck, that'll slow these guys down from releasing dodgy software in future. Seriously, this isn't even worth the buck I paid.
You can try to get your money back from Microsoft, but seriously I don't think its worth the effort.
Linux users are starved for quality games, and thus heap praise (and money) upon anyone who develops for their platform. Same for Mac users, but to a lesser extent ever since Valve started releasing games for them. Windows users are spoiled by having every game of the past twenty years developed for their platform.
Or maybe Jonathan Blow, Markus Persson, and whoever "ExpiredPopsicle" is all reported themselves as Linux users and pulled up the average.
With the rise of cross platform gaming Linux is the winner...buying the indie bundles alone gives you 20+ gaming titles. The strange thing is supply and demand, at least on its own is not, does not work well in a "pay what you want" selling method. Linux uses like DRM free/Indie games for charity those are three more reasons to buy the games :)