but I doubt Palm have as nice developer tools as Apple
From Ars:
Any web developer can use CSS, HTML, and JavaScript to develop applications for the OS; there are no new languages to learn
I'm no developer, but can't you just pick your favorite IDE and go to town with that? I would imagine there'll even be some devs who just use Nano or Notepad.
Oh yeah, I forgot, the entire thing took place in a single courtroom! Seriously though, while the court records will be very important, I think they do have a point, I mean there were press releases, public discussion and third parties involved. I think relying on the court record for a complete historical documentation of the entire fiasco would leave a lot out for future generations.
You are in violation of your Volvo Non-Disclosure Agreement. Please desist from revealing Volvo proprietary company plans regarding future Automobiles/Tanks/Suburban Assault Vehicles from the movie Stripes.
I actually tell people to buckle their seatbelts, and, if asked about it, explain in no uncertain terms that yes, I am that kind of driver. Hey, A less-than perfect driver that knows they're not great is much better than a bad driver that thinks they're the best.
I'm the same way. I mean, like, take my computer, for instance. I want to be in complete control over everything that it does, so I use it as a stand for my abacus.
Yeah, I agree. It almost would have been better if they just called it a collection of screenshots so we wouldn't have expected actual, meaningful content.
There was a similar incident with a Frap spilled "near" a keyboard (stuck keys do so many wondrous things!).
I had a user who called me over to her desk and demanded, angrily, to know "why we bolt down all the monitors? Do you think we're going to steal them?" I informed her that we do not bolt or glue down any monitors, but sure enough, when I went to lift it, it felt like it was glued down. I pulled really, really hard and it ripped off the desk, to reveal a giant circle of dried coffee.
Another time, she called me over because her mouse was acting funny. I picked it up, it seemed fine, but when I took the ball out the encoders had water droplets all over them. "Why is there water in here?" "Well I spilled coffee on it so I washed it off in the sink." "Ah! well, that's the problem! Please don't ever get anything related to your computer wet" Got her a new mouse, ten minutes later, same problem, and she is angry and impatient. I came over found that there was water on the lens (replaced it with an optical) and felt her mousepad. Yep, she had also washed her mousepad. :`-( !
So how would transistors and gates the size of atoms help, in any way, to fit a computer onto a penny? Are we actually talking about the article here or are we talking about some imaginary full computer that is the size of a penny and has nothing to do with the article? We already have full computers: memory, BIOS, clock, and RAM that are the size of a penny (power supply is a long way off, though), they may not run Windows, but I mean you can go buy a microcontroller that has all of those basic functions for $99. The point of smaller gates is not to "make the computer smaller," but to put more gates in the same amount of space, thereby giving you more processing power for the same amount of energy, money and fabrication efficiency (the bigger the die, the less efficient the fab process is due to defects, though I guess with atoms and molecules traditional fab theory goes out the window.)
If the computer has a hard disk with moving parts and a giant, heavy heatsink that will chip the processor, then yes, you're correct. Drop a mini-ITX PC with a SSD and no heatsink and you'll find that there's really not much you can do to it aside from cracking the motherboard to bring it down. I'm sure you've dropped your cell phone numerous times (If not then congrats, you're abnormally un-clumsy) and unless it's pretty severe, it'll be just fine. One of the primary benefits of solid-state electronics is that they are virtually unaffected by kinetic trauma.
might it be the plateau that Moore's law predicts?
Yes:
In terms of size [of transistor] you can see that we're approaching the size of atoms which is a fundamental barrier, but it'll be two or three generations before we get that farâ"but that's as far out as we've ever been able to see. We have another 10 to 20 years before we reach a fundamental limit. By then they'll be able to make bigger chips and have transistor budgets in the billions.
That's why now the frequency that our CPU doesn't increase anymore,
Efficiency != speed. While speed has remained stagnant over the past several years, power consumption and heat dissipation have gone down or remained the same while computations/second have still steadily gone up, which means higher efficiency as less energy is used to do the same amount of work. If you're still measuring the quality of a processor by its speed, then you have a lot of catching up to do since 2003 when the GHz race ceased to be relevant.
Machines NOT on the internet (or, completely firewalled off) do not need to be updated as religiously as machines getting direct exposure. Simple as that.
How are machines not on the Intertubes relevant in a discussion of Macbooks on/. in late 2008? In addition, there's no such thing as "completely firewalled off," unless you're still talking about computers with no 'net connection. If you don't worry about your systems' security post-firewall, then welcome to the year 1995. That's called the m&m security model: hard shell on the outside, soft on the inside, and it brings nothing but trouble in today's world of trojans, worms and malware. Unless you're a home user, of course, in which case it doesn't really matter because you're probably never going to be completely secure.
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Hahah, yeah, somewhere on a distant world there's an alien Heinlein writing a novel about capturing the meatbags' top space brainboxes
spacecraftconfirmsit
but I doubt Palm have as nice developer tools as Apple
From Ars:
Any web developer can use CSS, HTML, and JavaScript to develop applications for the OS; there are no new languages to learn
I'm no developer, but can't you just pick your favorite IDE and go to town with that? I would imagine there'll even be some devs who just use Nano or Notepad.
Support Verizon, and I'll be the first in line for this.
Sorry, Sprint exclusive, at least for launch. I'm right there with you in disappointment about that.
From Ars: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090108-palm-launches-new-handset-pre-operating-system-at-ces.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090108-resurrection-on-video-hands-on-with-the-palm-pre.html
More details and analysis than the PCPro story.
Queue LHC black hole hysteria in 3... 2... 1...
So if all they used were swords, you don't think people using guns would be newsworthy?
Oh yeah, I forgot, the entire thing took place in a single courtroom! Seriously though, while the court records will be very important, I think they do have a point, I mean there were press releases, public discussion and third parties involved. I think relying on the court record for a complete historical documentation of the entire fiasco would leave a lot out for future generations.
Oh, you didn't know Mono works for Abacus? You need to download the nightlies!
You are in violation of your Volvo Non-Disclosure Agreement. Please desist from revealing Volvo proprietary company plans regarding future Automobiles/Tanks/Suburban Assault Vehicles from the movie Stripes.
I actually tell people to buckle their seatbelts, and, if asked about it, explain in no uncertain terms that yes, I am that kind of driver. Hey, A less-than perfect driver that knows they're not great is much better than a bad driver that thinks they're the best.
I'm the same way. I mean, like, take my computer, for instance. I want to be in complete control over everything that it does, so I use it as a stand for my abacus.
Yeah, I agree. It almost would have been better if they just called it a collection of screenshots so we wouldn't have expected actual, meaningful content.
...they put Android on there, and that's a hardware platform that doesn't even have a killer app yet
Android is an OS, not a hardware platform.
There was a similar incident with a Frap spilled "near" a keyboard (stuck keys do so many wondrous things!).
I had a user who called me over to her desk and demanded, angrily, to know "why we bolt down all the monitors? Do you think we're going to steal them?" I informed her that we do not bolt or glue down any monitors, but sure enough, when I went to lift it, it felt like it was glued down. I pulled really, really hard and it ripped off the desk, to reveal a giant circle of dried coffee.
Another time, she called me over because her mouse was acting funny. I picked it up, it seemed fine, but when I took the ball out the encoders had water droplets all over them. "Why is there water in here?" "Well I spilled coffee on it so I washed it off in the sink." "Ah! well, that's the problem! Please don't ever get anything related to your computer wet" Got her a new mouse, ten minutes later, same problem, and she is angry and impatient. I came over found that there was water on the lens (replaced it with an optical) and felt her mousepad. Yep, she had also washed her mousepad.
:`-( !
So how would transistors and gates the size of atoms help, in any way, to fit a computer onto a penny? Are we actually talking about the article here or are we talking about some imaginary full computer that is the size of a penny and has nothing to do with the article? We already have full computers: memory, BIOS, clock, and RAM that are the size of a penny (power supply is a long way off, though), they may not run Windows, but I mean you can go buy a microcontroller that has all of those basic functions for $99. The point of smaller gates is not to "make the computer smaller," but to put more gates in the same amount of space, thereby giving you more processing power for the same amount of energy, money and fabrication efficiency (the bigger the die, the less efficient the fab process is due to defects, though I guess with atoms and molecules traditional fab theory goes out the window.)
You drop a computer, you're screwed.
If the computer has a hard disk with moving parts and a giant, heavy heatsink that will chip the processor, then yes, you're correct. Drop a mini-ITX PC with a SSD and no heatsink and you'll find that there's really not much you can do to it aside from cracking the motherboard to bring it down. I'm sure you've dropped your cell phone numerous times (If not then congrats, you're abnormally un-clumsy) and unless it's pretty severe, it'll be just fine. One of the primary benefits of solid-state electronics is that they are virtually unaffected by kinetic trauma.
might it be the plateau that Moore's law predicts?
Yes:
In terms of size [of transistor] you can see that we're approaching the size of atoms which is a fundamental barrier, but it'll be two or three generations before we get that farâ"but that's as far out as we've ever been able to see. We have another 10 to 20 years before we reach a fundamental limit. By then they'll be able to make bigger chips and have transistor budgets in the billions.
-Gordon Moore, 2005 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law#Ultimate_limits_of_the_law
You seem to think computers operate using a combination of "processors" and "magic". You are mistaken.
You just rocked my world view.
It would be great to have a computer the size of a halfpenny
Uh, you mean, like the CPU in the computer that you're using right now?
That's why now the frequency that our CPU doesn't increase anymore,
Efficiency != speed. While speed has remained stagnant over the past several years, power consumption and heat dissipation have gone down or remained the same while computations/second have still steadily gone up, which means higher efficiency as less energy is used to do the same amount of work. If you're still measuring the quality of a processor by its speed, then you have a lot of catching up to do since 2003 when the GHz race ceased to be relevant.
Machines NOT on the internet (or, completely firewalled off) do not need to be updated as religiously as machines getting direct exposure. Simple as that.
How are machines not on the Intertubes relevant in a discussion of Macbooks on /. in late 2008? In addition, there's no such thing as "completely firewalled off," unless you're still talking about computers with no 'net connection. If you don't worry about your systems' security post-firewall, then welcome to the year 1995. That's called the m&m security model: hard shell on the outside, soft on the inside, and it brings nothing but trouble in today's world of trojans, worms and malware. Unless you're a home user, of course, in which case it doesn't really matter because you're probably never going to be completely secure.
Not desktop virtualization but just remote access? How many users do you serve desktops to?
I celebrate Festivus, you inconsiderate clod!