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The 10 Coolest Open Source Products of 2008

An anonymous reader writes "Open Source Software is about more than just the Linux operating system, and 2008 brought advances in the form of OpenOffice.org, IBM Lotus Symphony, Firefox and Android. But Linux is still the heart of the FOSS movement, and this year brought key developments in the operating system as well. Here's a look at the coolest open source products to come across the transom in 2008." Along roughly similar lines, davidmwilliams points out the year in review of the iTWire's "Linux Distillery" column.

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  1. Projects on the horizon:* by ccguy · · Score: 1

    CCExtractor

    *Sorry, couldn't resist.

    1. Re:Projects on the horizon:* by synthesizerpatel · · Score: 2, Informative

      Even though the source code is ugly as sin (sorry comskip author, but it is, it's one big C file that's nearly impossible to dissect) -- a nice addition to CCExtractor is comskip.

      http://www.kaashoek.com/comskip/

    2. Re:Projects on the horizon:* by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      Let's expand that to more cool projects to watch in 2009 (or beyond)

      I nominate:

      BTRFS
      HAMMR

      Also, 2008 seemed to be the year of the GIT, with projects dumping svn, fanboys flooding slashdot, and github being the cool new place to host repositories.

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    3. Re:Projects on the horizon:* by linhares · · Score: 1

      Epidermis project is definitely on the road to Linux on the desktop.

    4. Re:Projects on the horizon:* by Xabraxas · · Score: 1

      Epidermis combines wallpaper, GTK, metacity, icon, splash, usplash, cursor, grub and GDM themes in one GUI program for the GNOME desktop.

      I don't find anything spectacular about that. wallpaper, GTK, metacity, icon, and cursor themes are already in the same place. You can save them together as a specific theme.

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    5. Re:Projects on the horizon:* by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 1

      while thats true, from looking at the screenshot it is aiming to show you all those settings graphically on the same screen, rather than each having their own tab or buried inside an "advanced" or "custom" button that pops open another window with more tabs. Personally I think its a good idea, but what would really be helpful is one that can easily preview and download themes from the net and easily allowing you to mix and match them. I know there's Art.Gnome app but its not exactly very integrated out of the box.

    6. Re:Projects on the horizon:* by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      I have a question. When you use GPL code in your project don't you have to share the source,or was that all FUD? The reason I was asking was that I was going to say that MobaLiveCD should have been on the list,because it is one of the coolest things I have come across in ages. A fully functional virtual environment that doesn't need ANY install,just double click to launch and pick your live CD and give it a try! But when I went to their website the code isn't there. It says right on the website that they based it on Qemu which is open source,yet all you find at their website is some kind of funky freeware license that gives them the right to go proprietary any time they want. So does that mean they are in violation of GPL? Sorry if this comes off as a newbie but IANAL and contracts are one area I know less than zip about. We can't all be experts in everything,right?

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    7. Re:Projects on the horizon:* by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      it kind of looks like it's just a gui front end for qemu, not a modification of the qemu itself.

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    8. Re:Projects on the horizon:* by simcop2387 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you only have to distribute your source if you're linking against other gpl code. I haven't looked at the actual product but from what i saw on their site they're just distributing an unmodified qemu with a nice gui to run it. this means that since they're not linking against it (if they are in fact doing it this way) they wouldn't need to release anything from a legal standpoint, though they do need to have some kind of notice about the license of qemu and where to get its source IIRC.

    9. Re:Projects on the horizon:* by Fri13 · · Score: 1

      There is kde-look (all the gnome-look.org, kde-look.org, kde-apps.org, qt-apps.org etc) what is nicely integrated to KDE desktop environment.

      You can get wallpapers, icons, emoticons, color schemas, plasma-styles, splashscreens etc from that site, without opening a web browser. You just open the KDE4's System Settings and you click "Get new..." button and you browse stuff, and then click "Install" (or even Uninstall and Update) button and you get stuff installed for you.

      KDE4 is still missing a theme manager what would allow you to set all these settings by pressing one button, just like the KDE3 version had. But it is coming and all what is missing after that, is the tool to change splashy and grub theme among KDM. Then it would be complete package.

      KDE 4.2 brings a feature what allows user to select what plasma theme is used on what place. SO you can have plasma analogy watch theme from style X and the panel background from style Y while using the style Z on the Folder view.

      Currently KDE4 does not have lots of styles, but at least there is QtCurve and Bespin. Both allows you to export all the settings what you have done and you can send them (manually) to kde-look.org site for others to get. So new user does not need to goe trought all the configs to get as nice desktop you have on the screenshot.

  2. I don't get it... by Cornwallis · · Score: 1

    TFA says this about Open Office 3.0: "With an acquisition cost of between $150 and $200 less than Microsoft Office 2007" Uh. Am I missing something? Isn't the acquisition cost a big $0?

    1. Re:I don't get it... by robot_love · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They're saying that MS Office costs $150-200, and OOo, being free is therefore $150-200 less than that.

      I think.

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    2. Re:I don't get it... by MonkeyOnATypewriter · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think that says that 200 - 0 = 200 (so the OO.org costs less than Microsoft Office... with about $200)

    3. Re:I don't get it... by owlnation · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually as far as a medium to large organization is concerned, OpenOffice wouldn't be free in accounting terms. There would be training and admin costs on top of that -- which would initially be high. Training is expensive, and there would be a re-productivity curve for employees too, and thus a resultant increased cost again. It's probably a show stopper for many companies. While they do have to pay licences etc for MS Office, they don't really need to provide training in most corporations as Office knowledge is an expected skill to have, and most IT depts are familiar with it too.

      Which brings me to the fact that the real key to having the oft-heralded Year Of Linux, is to have a Year of the Office Replacement first. (I'm not sure that Open Office is currently anywhere near that happening). MS Office / Exchange are the whole key to Microsoft's dominance, not the OS. Find a viable solution for that, and Linux will follow.

    4. Re:I don't get it... by moderatorrater · · Score: 1

      Total cost rather than just the cost of the software. This may include training, support, etc.

    5. Re:I don't get it... by Kt.foss.zealot · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't think it's just me,.. but I was pretty much crippled when forced to use Microsoft Office Suite 2007 at work for the first week or so. The whole ribbon bullshit interface just seems completely counter-intuitive to me. Not to mention the unexpected way Microsoft Word 2007 handles simple things, It seems like I spend 20 minutes writing a document, and hours trying to make an unwanted line-gap go away, or trying to figure out some stupid header or footer issue. Somehow even LaTeX seems easier to use. Anyway, OpenOffice seems pretty intuitive to me for most uses, such as simple text editing, which is what most people sans-OCD do pretty easily anyway on pretty much any text editor. While the total cost of migrating to OpenOffice in most offices is most definately not 0, it's probably not higher than Microsoft Licenseing fees, and even if they were I think in the long run it could still save the company money, as most users have to re-learn MS Office every few years anyway.

    6. Re:I don't get it... by 1mck · · Score: 3, Informative

      I really don't accept your statement that "OpenOffice wouldn't be free in accounting terms as there would be training and admin costs on top of that." Just about every office suite is basically the same, and it doesn't matter what software package that you give your people because there will "always" be training involved. The only difference here is that OpenOffice is free. I can't begin to tell you the amount of time that I had to spend training people on Microsoft Office on just the basic functions, so it wouldn't have mattered if it was OpenOffice, or Microsoft Office because most of people out there don't have a clue. Most of them don't even use any advanced features, so in reality they could just use Google Docs...but, I'd have to train them on that too;-)

    7. Re:I don't get it... by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Informative

      We pay $400 per license for MS Office here at work.

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    8. Re:I don't get it... by Cornwallis · · Score: 1

      My point exactly. 90% of all users don't need (or understand) MS Word. They can get by with Notepad.

    9. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see this as a great culling exercise. Switch to OpenOffice. The people who need training are summarily fired. Done and done.

    10. Re:I don't get it... by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      The differences from a user perspective between msoffice 2003 and 2007 are actually bigger than between msoffice 2003 and openoffice 2/3... If it only takes a few hours for the average office assistant to get used to some changes, then the cost of migration to openoffice would be pretty small.

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    11. Re:I don't get it... by msobkow · · Score: 2, Informative

      Training is expensive, and there would be a re-productivity curve for employees too, and thus a resultant increased cost again.

      Actually, our organization recently upgraded MS Office and had to go through the retraining costs because of those stupid "ribbon" interfaces. The newer release is rather radically different from older releases, so the issue of retraining costs is moot.

      In addition to that, Open Office actually maintains a better user interface compatability with older releases of MS Office than Office itself does.

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    12. Re:I don't get it... by jedidiah · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The interface of a mature product shouldn't be subject
      to extreme gratuitous changes. This is one key area where
      something like vi or emacs soundly beats the likes of
      msoffice. People should stop putting up with this crap.
      "Stop the madness" and demand a good reason why the UI
      of msoffice isn't the same as it was 10 years ago.

      Nevermind the differences between this years and last
      year's version of msoffice.

      Change for it's own sake is just assinine. Putting up
      with it out of some sort of "geek machismo" is similarly
      assinine.

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    13. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Summary: "Get off my lawn"

    14. Re:I don't get it... by Repossessed · · Score: 1

      Office 2007 means the training cost is just as high for office now though.

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    15. Re:I don't get it... by pembo13 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Is it worth it for what you do with it?

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    16. Re:I don't get it... by pdusen · · Score: 1

      The fact that you can talk about how "crippling" the ribbon interface was for you (which was very well-received at the university I work at, by staff and students alike) while also touting the ease-of-use of LaTeX says a lot more about you than anything else... You are probably right about retraining fees next to licensing fees, though.

    17. Re:I don't get it... by David+Gerard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Training? You must work in some different office to everyone else. No-one gets training in the latest weird shit MS Office pulls. I'd like evidence that such training is widespread, or even happens.

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    18. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bah... Using OO is easy. Just teach people to find the help menu or to ask a co-worker if they can't find some feature they need. Or are professional office-workers so daft these days that they don't know how to read or speak? Sure it will take some time, which is money in these cases, but still... People can train themselves. Teach a man (or woman (or hermaphrodite)) to fish... Jeesh.

    19. Re:I don't get it... by MartinSchou · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why would there be training in using Open Office? Or Microsoft Office for that matter?

      I work for a company with about 90,000 employees world wide. I think our local office (300 employees) has maybe two Microsoft Office installations, and I can't remember anyone talking about getting training in either of those packages. We have, however, had training in using Lotus Notes

      What next? Training in using a fucking printer? Turning on the monitor?

      Granted, I work for a company insourcing tech support, but still - why would anyone need training in using another office suite than the one they're used to? If they can't work out the differences on their own in a few days, they shouldn't be using office software to begin with.

    20. Re:I don't get it... by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      Office knowledge is an expected skill to have, and most IT depts are familiar with it too.

      If you're familiar with any version of MSOffice before 2007, switching to OpenOffice should be easy. I found the interface quite similar, at least in Writer, and had almost no trouble making the switch. Of course, I know enough to look around when something's not where I expected it, and I've no idea how common that ability is in your garden-variety office worker.

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    21. Re:I don't get it... by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      Change for it's own sake is just assinine.

      I take it, then, you didn't vote for BO? Plenty of people did, because they wanted change and didn't care what kind of change it was.

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    22. Re:I don't get it... by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      Agreed... they're mostly all the same for 95% of the stuff people do (usually wrong anyway, like spacing in to indent something).

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    23. Re:I don't get it... by 644bd346996 · · Score: 1

      Try reading that post again. He didn't tout LaTeX as easy to use - he said that Office 2007 makes LaTeX seem easy to use by comparison. That is a commentary on just how bad Office 2007 is.

      Also, I call BS on the ribbon being "very well-received" by any group of normal computer users. Any UI change as drastic as the 2003 to 2007 changes will be frustrating for those who have the new version forced upon them, which is almost certainly what happened at the university (seeing as that's what happens in any organization that pays for MS Office site licenses).

    24. Re:I don't get it... by jdoverholt · · Score: 1

      I wish they would've given me training on Office 2k7, the whole "ribbon" thing really screwed me up. Hours were wasted on simple tasks because I couldn't find where the page properties were, or some other such nonsense — I was cursing mad for the first few weeks. I'm no idiot, but it's fundamentally different from _all_ previous versions of Office.

      Come to think of it... I'm still sour about that.

    25. Re:I don't get it... by dov_0 · · Score: 1

      Maybe the problem is that office 07 tries to do it all for you - just the way MS thinks it should be done. I can sympathise with kt.foss.zealot in finding the 'intuitive' gui's from MS confusing as heck. The secretaries probably got it ok by using their 'female intuition' to understand the rubbish!

      Give me vim any day.

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    26. Re:I don't get it... by afidel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's more than that, it's the entire ecosystem of third party stuff that's based on the assumption that Office is available. Off the top of my head, we have:
      1)Export from JDE (yes this can do CSV, not nearly as useful)
      2)Export from GL reporting package (no real alternative provided)
      3)Addon for Excel that's basically a macro package into the JDE financial, again no ready replacement
      4)Edit functionality in our Enterprise Content Management system
      5)Export functionality from our fixed asset software, no alternative but raw dump
      etc.

      All of that could be worked through but it would be at a VERY significant cost and possibly at the cost of choosing a significantly less useful alternative. The good news is that more and more stuff is going web based, the bad is that a bunch of advanced functionality still relies on Office.

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    27. Re:I don't get it... by afidel · · Score: 1

      Seriously? What kind of crap companies have you worked for that didn't provide training? Unless they were smaller than 50 employees they sucked. Every midsized and larger company that I have worked for/with has had some sort of onboarding training and additional training when new software is brought in.

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    28. Re:I don't get it... by heson · · Score: 1

      No there is no training, but the time learning the shit is spent and that costs alot. And its frustrating looking for menus you know is there but not where they was in the last version (with a boss breathing down your neck)

    29. Re:I don't get it... by afidel · · Score: 1

      Because just like any other new thing you learn it's often more efficient (cheaper) to use the knowledge of someone with particular knowledge in the subject than to rediscover that knowledge yourself.

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    30. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't necessarily an office environment, but literally everybody working for a degree at my community college is required to take an IT 101 class that teaches Microsoft Office. I never really used office suites before then (and still don't), but as a result of the class I find the Office 2007 interface to be very intuitive -- certainly moreso than OpenOffice.

    31. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the poster meant most people have already spent half of their life trainning to use Microsoft Office, that no matter how counter-intuitive and counter-productivity it is, it will take less time and resource than to train people using other office suite/better suited tools (such as QuarkXpress and LaTEX) in the short-term.

      It does works for most people despite the occasionally crash and corrupt data especially on shared document over 500MB, but that's sufficient and good enough for most people because it gets the job done.

    32. Re:I don't get it... by hedwards · · Score: 1, Interesting

      With like 4 different Linux distros, you're complaining about that? Seriously, is the opensource community so bereft of interesting software programs that they had to fill up that many spots with Linux? I get that distros vary widely between each other, but come on.

    33. Re:I don't get it... by hedwards · · Score: 1

      So in other words it would be something like the cost of upgrading. You forget that there's a lot of training that needs to be done each and every time that MS decides to release a major upgrade. Why it is that they need to radically change the program's interface is really beyond me.

    34. Re:I don't get it... by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Sometimes things are so fucked up that virtually any change is a positive one. That is the sort of mess that we're presently in. It's difficult to find to many areas of modern American governance that aren't badly in need of fixes.

      And in this case it isn't for the sake of change, what we have is clearly not working. It would be totally different if what we had was actually functioning well.

    35. Re:I don't get it... by the_womble · · Score: 1

      It is not a gratuitous change. It ensures that people trained to use MS Office 2007 will find it difficult to switch other office suites. Previously, they had virtually identical (for simple usage) UIs.

    36. Re:I don't get it... by Jurily · · Score: 1

      but I was pretty much crippled when forced to use Microsoft Office Suite 2007 at work for the first week or so. The whole ribbon bullshit interface just seems completely counter-intuitive to me.

      Yeah, but once you get the hang of it, you got it. They don't count that as training. Switching to OO.o on the other hand...

    37. Re:I don't get it... by 1mck · · Score: 1

      Have you ever worked for a company that has all this amazing technology, and then they hire people that have never used a computer in their life? I agree, they shouldn't be using office software, or even a computer, but then you're tasked to train them because they have to now use it for their jobs. For the average user they should know the basics, but for 12 o'clock flashers, which I've had to train many of them, it IS training them on how to do EVERYTHING. You have to admit that there are lot of people out there that really don't give 2 shits about trying to learn anything, and would much rather some knowledgeable techie type to tell them. For those people you can throw any sort of software at them even if they've used it all their lives, and they'd still come up, and ask you questions about the most rudimentary function for the software...people who have university degrees! My point to all of this is that no matter where you go if a computer is involved, then training will have to go along with it.

    38. Re:I don't get it... by paganizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Try IBM's version.
      I don't really have any problem using OpenOffice, but it's kludgey. and pretty slow.
      Lotus Symphony, on the other hand, seemed very polished to me, and significantly quicker.
      It's still not Office 2000/2003, but it is worlds better than the pile of excrement that is Office 2007. Which, by the way, I have not heard more than 5 people say they like, including the previous side-post.
      I would even say that, personally, I like the spreadsheet application in symphony better than excel in most instances; They have quite a bit of experience with those, so it makes sense.

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    39. Re:I don't get it... by Marcus+Green · · Score: 1

      The only benefit I have drawn from IBM Lotus Syphony was as a demonstration to my HCI students of very poor interface design. It has "features" that were sufficiently inelegant that if a student had included them in a project I would fail them.

    40. Re:I don't get it... by symbolic · · Score: 1

      You find the Microsoft Office interface "more intuitive" than the OO.o interface because you've had training on the Microsoft Office interface? Not to mention the obvious, but that goes without saying. The mark of "intuitiveness" isn't related to training...it defines how easily a user can figure out what to do just by looking at what's in front of them.

    41. Re:I don't get it... by ProfessionalHostage · · Score: 1

      To pay their shareholders that's why. Something as mature as Ms Office already has all the features of word processor, yet they had to 'invent' something to sell every year.
      And everybody know that security updates, patches, and minor add-ons are not great sellers these days.

    42. Re:I don't get it... by Paxtez · · Score: 1

      I used to work for Pacific Pulmonary Services - until recently, the largest Durable Medical Equipment provider in the country. In the time I was there they switched from Office XP to OO, without so much as an mass email to the people, just in an update to the system over a weekend.

      In our office noone else even noticed that they changed it, and the only issue I can recall was about some random macro in an .xls not working.

      Not saying that company should or could do that. But I don't think the costs attributed to OO are as high when it really comes down to it. IMHO

    43. Re:I don't get it... by 1mck · · Score: 1

      Are you serious...no one really noticed it?????? LOL Too funny!!! And Too Awesome!!! Didn't they clue in to the name "OpenOffice?"

    44. Re:I don't get it... by Fri13 · · Score: 1

      Actually as far as a medium to large organization is concerned, OpenOffice wouldn't be free in accounting terms. There would be training and admin costs on top of that -- which would initially be high. Training is expensive, and there would be a re-productivity curve for employees too, and thus a resultant increased cost again.

      OpenOffice.org would still be free, you do not pay anything about that software. What you pay, is the time and effort what is needed to take it in use. Those will be counted in TCO, but in application price.

      TCO includes all (as the definition says), even the free software (as beer).

    45. Re:I don't get it... by David+Gerard · · Score: 1

      Again, I'd like evidence. I've never had such training for an MS Office upgrade, I've never even heard of anyone having training for such an upgrade. Do you have evidence this is widespread, or even happens?

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    46. Re:I don't get it... by xouumalperxe · · Score: 1

      and there would be a re-productivity curve for employees too

      What, you're saying a change to OO.o would make employees reproduce? Seriously, made-up faux technical speech make baby jesus cry.

    47. Re:I don't get it... by afidel · · Score: 1

      Just my own experience working in IT for mid to large companies and my time working as a consultant for same. Training and day after support are the two things that are almost always included in the project scope and are a significant percentage of the total pricetag.

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    48. Re:I don't get it... by Kt.foss.zealot · · Score: 1

      Perhaps it's just the fact that secretaries generally spend much of their time word processing they have more time with which to learn the program and make everyone else look bad.

      I have found my female intuition not up for the challenge of figuring out Powerpoint, or Word 2007 for example,.... only MS office suite applications I've gotten a handle on are Outlook and Visio 2007 because that is what I use most as a network engineer. I write word documents about once a week, tops, thankfully.

      It's not even that the 2007 ribbon interfaces are better or anything, it's just change for the sake of change, and "looking cool" or some such.

    49. Re:I don't get it... by Kt.foss.zealot · · Score: 1

      But I don't have it,... MS office suite 2007 continues to frustrate and baffle me, more than OO.o frustrates and baffles me, and at that, OO.o at least frustrates and baffles me in a more consistant and predictable manner.

    50. Re:I don't get it... by joeschmucatelli · · Score: 1

      In an economy like that which we all find ourselves in, however, it's nice to have a viable alternative that doesn't require you to shell out big $ to have essentially the same tools.

  3. Zzzzzz by sunderland56 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Of the 10, 9 are merely updates of existing products - nothing new here.

    Android *is* new - but is hardly newsworthy by now.

    1. Re:Zzzzzz by djupedal · · Score: 1

      >merely updates of existing products - nothing new here.

      Put this into up-to-the-minute context. With ZUNEs going to comas around the world, OSPs of any ilk shine, baby, shine - now, isn't that newsworthy!!!

    2. Re:Zzzzzz by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Informative

      1 is Open Office, 1 is an open office derivative. 1 is a website. 1 is firefox 3. 1 is Android. The rest are linux distros.

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    3. Re:Zzzzzz by iammani · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I could write an article right now about what would be coolest in 2009
      1. Ubuntu 9.10
      2. Ubuntu 9.4
      3. Fedora 10
      4. Firefox 4
      5. JeOS 2
      6. Open Suse 11
      ...

      And I wonder, why did they forget the service packs, IIRC Open Suse 10 SP2 was released this year.

      TFA is a non-story.

    4. Re:Zzzzzz by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thanks for that. I tried to RTFA and found it was one of those "one paragraph and ten thoudsand ads per screen" sites so I didn't go any farther.

      How can you trust any tech site with a gawdoffal layout like that? Pathetic!

    5. Re:Zzzzzz by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even if they were new, five are Linux distributions. And that's not counting Android.

      Yeah, Linux is cool, distributions are cool, but you'd think they would show some variety. Coolest one I've seen all year -- that is new -- is Archaeopteryx. Perhaps not a big deal, but weren't they doing the 10 coolest projects, not the 10 most important projects?

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    6. Re:Zzzzzz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Plus Ubuntu's on the list twice. So here's the article reproduced verbatim, sans ads, just as a giant middle finger extended in the direction of CRN and all the other assbags using this format these days.

      OpenOffice.org 3.0

      The popular -- and free -- open source productivity suite hit its milestone 3.0 version in 2008, making it more clear than ever that its functionality and compatibility with Microsoft Office (including OpenOffice Impress, which is PowerPoint compatible) make it a force to be reckoned with. With an acquisition cost of between $150 and $200 less than Microsoft Office 2007, it could have a big year in a down economy in 2009.

      IBM Lotus Symphony

      IBM has taken great pains to position itself as more of a middleware company than a desktop productivity software company, but diverged from that path a bit in 2008. By launching and upgrading its IBM Lotus Symphony suite of productivity apps based on OpenOffice.org, IBM is once again using the Lotus brand to take aim against Microsoft on the desktop.

      Firefox 3.0

      Die-hard Firefox users showed thanks for the Mozilla community's efforts to eliminate memory leaks and other annoyances in the most recent iterations of the open-source browser. Features like its "awesome bar" are also helping it continue to gain market share against Microsoft Internet Explorer, even as it's fending off new challenges from Google's new Chrome browser.

      Laconica

      If microblogging site Twitter became the social networking smash of 2008, 2009 could be a great year for the open-source microblogging platform called Laconica. The best-known site using that code, Identi.ca, allows communication through browsers, e-mail and SMS messaging -- giving a powerful, free alternative to those seeking to build their own social networking or microblogging platforms.

      Fedora 9

      Test Center highlighted three intriguing aspects for Fedora 9: the new desktop schemes, the new package management system and back-end improvements to memory usage and performance. On the desktop front, Fedora 9 Beta offers GNOME 2.22 and KDE 4.0.2 as the defaults. GNOME 2.22 in Fedora 9 has better file system performance, security improvements and the ability to manage power right at the login screen (quite handy on a laptop). There's also better Bluetooth integration, especially for Palm devices.

      Ubuntu 8.10

      Ubuntu 8.10 Desktop Edition, nicknamed "Intrepid Ibex," provides so much functionality and ease of use, at zero cost of acquisition, that it is really impossible to ignore. For anyone or any business not tied to Microsoft legacy desktop applications, Ubuntu 8.10 may realistically be considered a smarter choice in many scenarios.

      OpenSuSE 11

      Novell didn't launch a new version of its SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop in 2008, but it did shepherd the OpenSuSE community that delivered OpenSuSE 11. OpenSUSE is powerful, and improvements in usability, performance and stability should attract and win back users from other Linux distributions. There is some business advantage to consider OpenSUSE instead of Ubuntu or Fedora because of Novell's relationship with Microsoft, such as the tweaks to OpenOffice.org that make document conversion and migration easier, as well as the hypervisor adapter support. OpenSUSE is probably best for power users, those who can take advantage of the virtualization support and those with more experience using Linux.

      Novell JeOS

      SUSE Linux Enterprise JeOS (pronounced "juice"), the beta "Just enough" operating system from Novell is a lightweight and barebones version of the company's SUSE Linux Enterprise Server. The code base is SLES 10 Service Pack 2. The stripped-down operating system is intended specifically for virtual appliances. Applications certified to run on SUSE Linux Enterprise Server will carry that certification onto the JeOS

    7. Re:Zzzzzz by Justin+Hopewell · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thanks for pointing that out. Took way longer to get through that list than it needed to. Especially with the lag between page loads.

    8. Re:Zzzzzz by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thanks for that. I see that half of their coolest ten are all Linux. Not run on Linux, but ARE Linux!

      I wish slashdot would quit posting interesting summaries of mediocre websites and stories.

    9. Re:Zzzzzz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Article has wrong title, should be: "1 Cheesy Way To Drive Up Your Ad Revenue"

    10. Re:Zzzzzz by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      The ChannelWeb editor's colorful use of language has confused you. You are confusing the phrase "to come across the transom" with the phrase "to come blasting from the uterus trailed by a gusher of afterbirth".

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    11. Re:Zzzzzz by Chabo · · Score: 1

      Using adblock, it was merely "one paragraph per screen" -- I didn't even know that the site was ad-laden.

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    12. Re:Zzzzzz by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I could write an article right now about what would be coolest in 2009

      Dude, don't forget Thunderbird 3! At least, I *hope* it'll be out in 2009. *sigh*

    13. Re:Zzzzzz by rk · · Score: 1

      If you like stuff like this, you night want to give ChucK a test drive if you haven't seen it. It's a programming language written from the ground up to do audio work.

    14. Re:Zzzzzz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would like to point out that OpenOffice 3 has a major bug on Ubuntu 8,10 with KDE that makes it unusable. The task bars icon disappears and only shows when hovering over it.

    15. Re:Zzzzzz by onegear · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hmmmmm, let's see....so many ads, it's hard to read the article, Ubuntu on the list twice, and Fedora 9 listed instead of Fedora 10. How long did it take to come up with this article? 5 minutes?

    16. Re:Zzzzzz by grumbel · · Score: 1

      Another interesting one is Galapix, an image viewer that allows fluent navigation across tenth of thousands of images. But since I have written that one myself, this of course is nothing more then self advertisment.

    17. Re:Zzzzzz by tvon · · Score: 1

      You're doing it wrong.

      Of the 10, 9 are merely updates of existing products - nothing new here.

      So? It's not a list of "new OSS projects in 2008".

      Android *is* new - but is hardly newsworthy by now.

      "by now"?? It's a list of "coolest OSS projects of 2008", not "things that should be making the headlines on 12/31".

      Clearly your expectations are a bit out of whack. I don't much care for the list, but that's because I don't much care for top 10 lists. You don't seem to like the list because you don't understand what it's supposed to be a list of.

    18. Re:Zzzzzz by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thanks for that. I see that half of their coolest ten are all Linux. Not run on Linux, but ARE Linux!

      ...and two of them are just different versions of Ubuntu. WTF?

      How about OpenSolaris for Christ's sake? The first Sun supported Solaris LIVE CD for desktops, had it's initial 2008.05 release and a new 2008.11 release this year. That's just not as cool as Ubuntu, and... newer Ubuntu I guess. What in 2008 did these Linux distros do that rates being in a top 10 OSS list anyway? OpenSolaris had it's _FIRST_ release at least, I would expect that at a minimum. Two f'ing Ubuntu's...

      I wish slashdot would quit posting interesting summaries of mediocre websites and stories.

      It NEVER ends.

    19. Re:Zzzzzz by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      That's something that you "point out" on their bug tracker, not as some random comment here.

    20. Re:Zzzzzz by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      You forgot GNU/Duke Nukem 4Ever.

    21. Re:Zzzzzz by DiegoBravo · · Score: 1

      Ok, TFA is rubbish. You can get better rankings for the "coolest" by looking at the sourceforge stats (for example, the Project of the Month.)

    22. Re:Zzzzzz by mohan34u · · Score: 1

      I disabled my adblock plus on that site, It looks damn Shit..

    23. Re:Zzzzzz by easyTree · · Score: 1

      nothing new here

      What's new is all the advertising revenue generated by the army of slashdotters reading this 'article' at a few short paragraphs per five ads.

      Seriously, what's the deal with slashdot these days. How the hell did this make it to the front page. Even Idle would have been too good for it.

    24. Re:Zzzzzz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they're relying solely on Slashdot for ad revenue, they're in for disappointment; no one reads the fucking article these days anyway.

    25. Re:Zzzzzz by mgiuca · · Score: 1

      Laconica is not a website. It's the open source web software which runs such micro-blogging sites as Identi.ca and TWiT Army.

      But yes, I agree with your sentiment. Also, 2 Ubuntus? What kind of list is this?

    26. Re:Zzzzzz by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      Dude, don't forget Thunderbird 3! At least, I *hope* it'll be out in 2009. *sigh*

      I'd settle for a version of Thunderbird that doesn't regularly corrupt its folder indexes... (mostly folders that are from an IMAP server).

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    27. Re:Zzzzzz by sreid · · Score: 2

      would be nice to see Apricot open game project on that 2009 list

    28. Re:Zzzzzz by Canberra+Bob · · Score: 1

      And two are the same distro!

    29. Re:Zzzzzz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OpenSolaris isn't mentioned because it isn't OMGZ TEH LEENUX!!!1! When a top 10 open source list contains several versions of the same linux distro as separate entries it is pretty obvious what the bias is. It seems that some out there can't grasp the concept that there are OS'es out there that are just as good if not better than Linux.

    30. Re:Zzzzzz by MojoStan · · Score: 1

      How about OpenSolaris for Christ's sake?

      I'd add VirtualBox (virtualization software for Windows, OS X, Linux, and Solaris/OpenSolaris) as another Sun free and open source product that's more deserving than at least a few of the products mentioned in TFA. Version 2.1 now has OpenGL support, hardware support for Intel VT-x and AMD-V, 64-bit guests in 32-bit hosts, and other features/fixes.

      Maybe TFAuthor has difficulty thinking anything from Sun can be "open source."

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    31. Re:Zzzzzz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell the Fedora one is hardly interesting.

      To me Fedora 10 is a massive improvement over Fedora 9.

  4. TFA could use more in depthness by uncledrax · · Score: 4, Interesting

    2 Ubuntus, 2 SuSes, a new Fedora.. and a host of applications that just version incremented this year, and a twitter clone.

    Meh.

    Not dissing the applications.. I think OO3 is a vast improvement, and newer versions of an OS is probably a good thing.. I was just hoping for stuff that wasn't just 'Newest release of MyFlavourHere linux based OS'

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    1. Re:TFA could use more in depthness by MyHair · · Score: 1

      More in depth? Heck they couldn't even bother themselves to add a link to the products. If they're that lazy a link to Distrowatch would've covered over half the entries.

      I was going to say this is the first site I've seen that has more ad and navigation space than article space, but no, I've seen that before.

    2. Re:TFA could use more in depthness by buchner.johannes · · Score: 1

      So, what would be your "10 Coolest Open Source Products of 2008" list? Wouldn't it better to answer with a better list to a bad article than just to say it sucks?

      Using the rules of no updates and no software collections, mine would definitely include (software I found in 2008, didn't know before, and got to use regularly):
        - liferea
        - maven
        - meld
        - youtube-dl.py
        - ...
      Sorry, maybe you can do better? Try!

      I find making the list is actually hard, as I can't really think of software that was really invented in 2008 and hasn't had a development process before. Another issue against software patents...
      Also I can't really put sylpheed on the list, since it hasn't had development in the last 100 years, but is a extremely good product.

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  5. Spoiler by ojintoad · · Score: 5, Informative
    The coolest are:
    1. OpenOffice
    2. IBM Lotus Symphony
    3. Firefox 3.0
    4. Laconica
    5. Fedora 9
    6. Ubuntu 8.10
    7. Open SuSe11
    8. Novell JeOS
    9. Ubuntu 8.04
    10. Android
    1. Re:Spoiler by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Damn that FOSS, I tried to find a FOSS app named "ice" but google failed it. Ruined a perfectly good joke.

      Programmers, get on that ICE project, ok?

    2. Re:Spoiler by Chyeld · · Score: 1

      Ice? ICE! This is ex-Ice...

      Sir, turn in your geek badge at the door. We will mail your belongings later.

    3. Re:Spoiler by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      How about icecast?

    4. Re:Spoiler by tenco · · Score: 1

      Why? It's already on that list: Firefox aka Iceweasel (Debian "fork" of Firefox).

    5. Re:Spoiler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The coolest are:

      1. OpenOffice
      2. IBM Lotus Symphony
      3. Firefox 3.0
      4. Laconica
      5. Fedora 9
      6. Ubuntu 8.10
      7. Open SuSe11
      8. Novell JeOS
      9. Ubuntu 8.04
      10. Android

      Firefox 3.0?! Where's IE 8!

    6. Re:Spoiler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.icecast.org/

      Close enough, and well-known.

    7. Re:Spoiler by mistahkurtz · · Score: 1

      i have to agree with what's been said many times here, why so many distros? if you're going to go that route, why not focus on the truly important, such as OpenSolaris, or, if you must keep cuddling up to ubuntu, why not mention mention paranoidlinux, a distro based off of ubuntu, designed to keep users security and privacy protected at all times?

      this was a waste of time...

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  6. not quite The 10 Coolest Open Source Products Of by omar.sahal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    open office, IBM Lotus Symphony

    I didn't even read the the rest, dos not seem worth it. Why can't these list articles have sofware like this.

  7. not a 2008 project but by DRAGONWEEZEL · · Score: 2, Interesting

    WinDirStat is my #1 favorite OSS by far and above anything else. This year I have used it a ton, and I even have a contribution budgeted for Feb. It's small, fast, useful and beautiful. Thank you WINDIRSTAT!

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    1. Re:not a 2008 project but by nonewmsgs · · Score: 2, Informative

      isn't that just a windows clone of the KDE program that does the same thing? Kdirstat (i think)

    2. Re:not a 2008 project but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And us Gnome users/haters are still stuck using fucking Baobab. Gnome sucks.

    3. Re:not a 2008 project but by DRAGONWEEZEL · · Score: 1

      I believe it is, but it's hella handy!

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    4. Re:not a 2008 project but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's also 'sequoiaview'. I don't know which came first.

  8. Re:not quite The 10 Coolest Open Source Products O by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

    yeah, theres quite a few innovative packages and systems out there.

    I wouldnt feel right without posting my own work of art :)

    http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/

    http://liqbase.net/

    Its the startings of a very touchable UI able to run on performance limited devices (and scaling right up to anything).

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  9. Hello, I would like to dispute this list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My software is cooler because it produces a list of hot women. When I see the list I become a vampire. Then I fly about the moonlit night and steal virgins to drink their blood (in a Platonic, non-agressive way); this is why my software is the best. Thankyous, Ti,m,my the Italians/

  10. WTH? by MBGMorden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    5 of the 10 are just Linux distro's. Ubuntu 8.10 AND 8.04 were both on the list as seperate entries!?!? And Lotus Symphony, a version of OOo, was listed along with OOo as seperate products. For the most part this could have been condensed down to:

    Linux, Firefox, OpenOffice, Android

    Which is so boring a list that it's of no use to anyone actually using open source already.

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  11. transom? by convolvatron · · Score: 1

    why is open source crawling through the transom?

    still cant get a key eh?

  12. Top ten list by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 1

    hidden in 500 adds. That site just made my blacklist.

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    1. Re:Top ten list by Narishma · · Score: 1

      What ads?

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    2. Re:Top ten list by Psycardis · · Score: 1

      I also didn't see any ads, AdBlock Plus is awesome.

  13. huh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two different versions of Ubuntu on the list and yet no mentioning of the giant step forward that is Debian's Lenny? I'm disappointed.

    1. Re:huh... by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Was Lenny released yet?

      I use Sid and am using experimental due to the freeze so this would be welcome news.

    2. Re:huh... by Randle_Revar · · Score: 1

      Was Lenny released yet?

      No, GP is confused

  14. Completely worthless by IICV · · Score: 4, Informative

    This list is entirely without any redeeming value. More than half of the "coolest" products are new versions of operating systems and applications (OMG they released Fedora 9! I may wet myself with glee!), and the rest of it includes useless things like what appears to be a Twitter clone and something IBM's branded as Lotus. Hell, they put Android on there, and that's a hardware platform that doesn't even have a killer app yet.

    Ubuntu's on it twice for goodness' sakes! And the second time is the long-term service distribution, which is about as exciting as growing grass!

    Normally I don't complain about the stuff that makes it to the front page, but this list is just a complete waste of absolutely everyone's time.

    1. Re:Completely worthless by monkeySauce · · Score: 2, Funny

      And the second time is the long-term service distribution, which is about as exciting as growing grass!

      I think you mean about exciting as watching grass grow .

      Growing grass on the other hand, is quite exciting to a lot of people; eg. drug dealers, pot heads, the DEA.

    2. Re:Completely worthless by IceCreamGuy · · Score: 1

      ...they put Android on there, and that's a hardware platform that doesn't even have a killer app yet

      Android is an OS, not a hardware platform.

    3. Re:Completely worthless by IICV · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I meant to just say "platform". It seems the sheer, concentrated stupid in the article is contagious.

    4. Re:Completely worthless by LandDolphin · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hank Hill

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    5. Re:Completely worthless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? Is your pharmacist having a hobby of lawn care?

    6. Re:Completely worthless by IceCreamGuy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I agree. It almost would have been better if they just called it a collection of screenshots so we wouldn't have expected actual, meaningful content.

  15. 5 Distros, 2 being Ubuntu? by xrayspx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about some individual projects? Amarok 2 came out in 2008. Other things that existed before but which improved mightily in '08 were:

    Flock (released v2)
    KDE Released 4x series, abysmal at first, but it's great now.
    BasKet Probably doesn't belong on a Best Apps Ever list, but it is pretty useful. This existed before, but I just found it this year and it's great, and it has become a lot more stable for me through the year. Someone help get them to qt4!
    There are lots of great apps out there that deserve some love this year.

    1. Re:5 Distros, 2 being Ubuntu? by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      KDE 4. The first KDE version to finally kill the KDE vs Gnome debate.

      Now it is 3.5 vs 4

      (I vote 4.)

    2. Re:5 Distros, 2 being Ubuntu? by Randle_Revar · · Score: 1

      The first KDE version to finally kill the KDE vs Gnome debate.

      That is silly. I use a WM (awesome), and I used to use KDE (3.x), but KDE 4, good as it is, does not end the KDE/Gnome debate. Gnome is very good, and for some people, much better than KDE.

  16. Re:not quite The 10 Coolest Open Source Products O by omar.sahal · · Score: 1

    Yeh lets turn this into some kind of ask-slashdot thread. Any one else have any cooler projects than the article.

  17. Android is cool but... by joggle · · Score: 3, Informative

    Android is cool but does anyone know why they took out some of the beta functionality (like being able to get driving directions which are now expressly forbidden by the terms of service for the Android google maps API key)?

    It seems like it would be fairly trivial to write a turn-by-turn voice app for Android if they still had the API to request driving directions. By knowing the location of the phone the program could easily find what segment of a route it's on (if any at all), see how far it is until the next instruction and then read the instruction using the text2speech library someone has already made.

    As it stands, the only way I see of implementing such an app would be to have a webserver somewhere that would forward direction requests from the phone to google using the standard google maps javascript API and then return the directions back to the app. Very much a PITA if you ask me and might violate the terms of use of developing software on Android for all I know.

    1. Re:Android is cool but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Google Maps gets their maps from the same company that sells to GPS device makers.

      GPS device makers pay a lot more than google, so as to get permission to use it for turn by turn.

      Google would be violating their agreement if they did what you wanted them to.

    2. Re:Android is cool but... by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      If I were to take a guess, it was at the request of cell phone carriers who advertise turn-by-turn directions as a unique feature of their phone network and/or charge separately for that feature.

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    3. Re:Android is cool but... by Fluffy+Bunnies · · Score: 1

      I suspect it's due to pressure from whoever google buys their maps from. Basically, it's not cool to them to give out that kind of functionality for free. Nokia had to remove a feature from their maps where you could have the route and instructions displayed on the map while tracking your position with the GPS. The map makers (quite correctly) felt it would make people not want to buy the actual navigation package.

  18. The premise is flawed by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

    8 of the items listed are updates to existing open source projects, dating back as much as 10+ years. They can probably republish this article next year with minimal changes, which means it's kind of useless.

    Open Source software is generally released early and often, so it's not likely to be cool or exciting when first released, and it slowly becomes more robust and feature-full over time. That doesn't fit into the "xxxx of 2008!" list.

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  19. GCC 4.3... by GenP · · Score: 1

    I nominate GCC 4.3 for making everyone fix their C++ includes.

    1. Re:GCC 4.3... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In that case, I nominate Cilk++ for making C++ run at a decent speed on modern computers. Sure, three keywords and a tightened GCC core isn't exactly a revolution, but neither is Firefox fixing a few malloc bugs.

    2. Re:GCC 4.3... by Randle_Revar · · Score: 1

      The awesomebar is a revolution, though.

  20. Blender by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blender is way cooler than most of those listed. And if you argue that it's just an update, Big Buck Bunny certainly isn't. And if that's not enough, these guys also delivered a game, Yo Frankie!

  21. Clojure by slasho81 · · Score: 1

    Not quite mainstream and obvious as the pointless list presented in TFA, but I gotta add: Clojure

    Clojure seems at first as Yet Another Lisp or Yet Another JVM Language or the general Yet Another New Programming Language, but once you scratch the surface you will discover it's an amazing engineering feat with groundbreaking design.

  22. If thats the "10 coolest"... by kimanaw · · Score: 0
    ...then open source is in deep trouble.

    Clue for the TFA'a author: there are lots of very interesting open source projects that don't have a damn thing to do with Linux!

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    1. Re:If thats the "10 coolest"... by Scutter · · Score: 1

      Clue for the TFA'a author: there are lots of very interesting open source projects that don't have a damn thing to do with Linux!

      Like what? I'd be interested in trying a few.

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    2. Re:If thats the "10 coolest"... by kimanaw · · Score: 1
      A leisurely stroll through Freshmeat should be sufficient.

      Of course, TFA's author apparently couldn't be bothered to do that either...

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    3. Re:If thats the "10 coolest"... by Scutter · · Score: 1

      A leisurely stroll through Freshmeat should be sufficient.

      Not if you're looking for "10 coolest...".

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  23. THE GOGGLES, THEY DO NOTHING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Jesus christ. I just got eye-raped by all the ads on that page. What're we talking here.. 1:10 ratio of content:crap?

    GOOD LUCK WITH THE WEB2.0 SOON TO BE OUT OF BUSINESS WEBSITE

  24. GNU/Linux by PenisLands · · Score: 0

    The answer is: GNU/Linux! 2008 was the year of the Linux desktop!

    1. Re:GNU/Linux by Randle_Revar · · Score: 1

      no, that was in 2007

  25. For the lazy... Re:Spoiler by MyHair · · Score: 1

    The coolest are:

    1 and 2: OpenOffice
    3: Firefox
    4: OSS Twitter clone that surely will surpass Twitter because Twitter is popular. (?)
    5, 6, 7, 8, 9: Linux. (More specifically, Fedora, Ubuntu, Suse, Suse, Ubuntu)
    10: Whatever Google released recently. What, it's hardware? Meh, leave it on the list, anyway.

    1. Re:For the lazy... Re:Spoiler by Randle_Revar · · Score: 1

      Android isn't hardware, and the T1 is not made by Google. It is a shitty list, though.

  26. I feel cheated by Kt.foss.zealot · · Score: 1

    Why is Ubuntu listed twice? How are things that have been around for years the "coolest of 2008"? What's with all the distros? Desktop utilities and relatively normal GNU/Linux distros that have been around for some time are not the COOLEST products of 2008,.. Where are all the FOSS Games listed? Where is Nexuiz? Where is AlienArena? Where is KDE 4?

  27. Junk by omb · · Score: 1

    This story is click-through junk and should not be on slashdot, even on a slow news day

  28. Hey Timothy! by jjohnson · · Score: 1

    You just got spammed by an ad-farm. Moron.

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  29. the product NOT on the list by girlintraining · · Score: 1

    Why is the Internet not on the list?! Over half of it, anyway. FreeBSD. Linux. Apache. PHP. Embedded devices, routers, switches, wifi; A lot of this is open source too. They keep the networks running, and without their contributions it wouldn't exist. But who cares about infrastructure when--Oooh look, a kitty!

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  30. So, what they're saying is it was a lousy year? by jcr · · Score: 1

    Sorry, all I'm seeing here is redundancy. A handful of Linux distros, and a few attempts to replace existing commercial apps?

    Where's the innovation?

    -jcr

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    1. Re:So, what they're saying is it was a lousy year? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      innovation occurs when the tools you have at hand do not suit the task you need it to do and you have the skills to do something about it :)

      Windows and Linux and mac seem a bit stale.

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  31. Equivalency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is only if the products in fact are equivalent. I would not say OpenOffice is on par with Office 2007 in any terms. Perhaps Office 2000's lightest edition, you get those for 10EUR from internet auctions.

    1. Re:Equivalency by David+Gerard · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's the lack of that ribbon, isn't it.

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  32. What About These?! by Java+Commando · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How did Stellarium and/or Celestia *not* make this list!? If one's criteria is for "Cool" applications, these can't do anything but qualify.

  33. Lotus Symphony by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Informative

    The list fails. Lotus Symphony isn't OSS, though it is based off OpenOffice 1. They based it off OpenOffice 1 as opposed to the trunk for 3 at the time, because IBM didn't want to have Symphony a GPL product.

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    1. Re:Lotus Symphony by Petrushka · · Score: 4, Informative

      The list fails. Lotus Symphony isn't OSS, though it is based off OpenOffice 1.

      Indeed. Seeing Lotus Symphony on the second slide was enough to make me realise that these folks haven't done more than a minute of research, and that it's time to stop reading /., go outside, and make the most of the sunshine ...

    2. Re:Lotus Symphony by buchner.johannes · · Score: 1

      Also, Linux distributions are arguably not software, but a service of providing software packets and configuration.
      Although many developers are active in the small programs too, the distribution is still mainly just a collection and the work is to provide it.

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  34. worthless piece of shit article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, the product review reads like one of those meaningless PC World article just advertising existing products trying to keep themselves fresh by just releasing new versions with unnecessary features.

    Totally worthless shit. Shame on the writer.

  35. More Importantly by thermian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These are all projects with mainstream corporate backing.

    In my opinion the list should include projects done by people who don't have vast sums of cash to back them.

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  36. Arduino by Speare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd have to say that the most interesting "product" that I've seen this year is an electronics microcontroller platform called Arduino. It started pre-2008, but it has shot up in popularity and had a writeup in Wired this year. The board is open source (blueprints and source code are Creative Commons), and people are making a wide range of alternative form factors with special features.

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  37. cool? that's the same as hot - right? by petes_PoV · · Score: 1
    Merely a list of the usual suspects.

    Though I suspect the auhor was in a hurry (and the editor was asleep) as 5 of the ten are basically the same: linux distros.

    In fact I have a feeling that, apart from the version numbers, this will also be the author's personal list for the 10 coolest / hottest products for 2009, 2010 ... Though it comes nowehere near being mine - nor probably yours, either

    yawn!

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  38. Ubuntu, Fedora, Suse, Ubuntu... by amoeba1911 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I clicked on this article thinking I could maybe find some really cool open source piece of software that I haven't seen yet. I am completely unimpressed, the list is barely anything more than a bunch of Linux distros.

    Here's my personal favorite open source project I discovered in 2008: Spring Engine http://spring.clan-sy.com/

    my 2 cents

    1. Re:Ubuntu, Fedora, Suse, Ubuntu... by NineNine · · Score: 1

      Here's my personal favorite open source project I discovered in 2008: Spring Engine http://spring.clan-sy.com/ [clan-sy.com]

      I would completely agree with you... if it were 1995.

  39. Won't read Ad Whore sites like that. by CFD339 · · Score: 1

    Formula sites:

    1. Post interesting sounding but meatless articles in the form of top 10 lists.

    2. Divide the content into 12 parts -- opening, items 1-10, and conclusion.

    3. Post pay per view or pay per click ads on each and every page.

    4. Profit! While users limp through your lame site.

    Not interested -- not even though I have ad-blocking that makes it a futile attempt.

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  40. Great Linux Innovations Of 2008 by TinuvaZA · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I actually think the article "Great Linux Innovations Of 2008" on http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=great_linux_innovations_2008&num=1 was much better.

    1. Re:Great Linux Innovations Of 2008 by buchner.johannes · · Score: 1

      Thank you! Should be way up there ...

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  41. Distro List? by Baavgai · · Score: 1

    Sorry, if half of your list is just Linux distro shoutouts, you fail.

    A single linux item is tolerable, though still a cop out. Listing the same distro twice is just highlighting your mediocrity.

  42. Re:I personally like this one by belmolis · · Score: 1

    Mod this down. It's not a legitimate link, or even humorous, it's a browser trap.

  43. Re:I personally like this one by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

    A really cool open source project would be a web browser which doesn't let web sites do things like that.

  44. Don't bother reading it. by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

    If you haven't read it, then don't bother. 6 or 7 linux distros (half of which are outdated - fedora 9 beta anyone?), open office 3, firefox 3, and ibm lotus symphony. I can't fathom how this made it to the front page. I kept clicking 'next' thinking that I'd find the content of the article just around the corner.

  45. Circular logic by amirulbahr · · Score: 1

    What sort sick circular logic are you using. You want an MS Office replacement that doesn't require training. What exactly can OOo do to satisfy your requirements?

  46. But Linux is still the heart by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    As much as i hate to give RMS credit, GNU is the real heart of that side of the house.

    But never forget, BSD was there first.

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    1. Re:But Linux is still the heart by diego.viola · · Score: 1

      Linux is the heart, it's what makes the GNU userland and everything else work.

  47. Who here has actually tried Lotus Symphony? by KlaymenDK · · Score: 4, Informative

    I wonder, who here has actually tried Lotus Symphony?

    I have; it's part of Notes 8 which I use at work. After about two minutes of acquaintance with it, I reinstalled OOo3: They actually managed to break some things that OOo gets right (CSV import/export in Calc) and completely omit (WTF?!) other parts (Draw).

    I have no idea why they would do that. But it certainly makes the whole experience more, um, Lotussy. (If only that were a good thing!)

    1. Re:Who here has actually tried Lotus Symphony? by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

      I downloaded Symphony a week or so ago, and it wouldn't install. XP SP 3 on this box. I only wanted to try it to see if it offered Word Pro / AmiPro support... I still have some old AmiPro 3.1 files hanging around. I've long since misplaced my AmiPro disks and even if I found them I'd have to find a computer with a floppy drive anyway : )

      When it didn't install, I deleted the archive and called it a day. I already have (and use) OO 3 so not a huge loss but disappointing.

      Oh, it also screwed up my Times New Roman fonts when it failed, I had to restore them. I noticed when composing an email the fonts were some cartoonish typeface. Acronis and LaCie to the rescue!

    2. Re:Who here has actually tried Lotus Symphony? by datajack · · Score: 1

      Symphony does read Word Pro files - I use it here for that very purpose. It doesn't do it perfectly though and sometimes loses fancy designed page headers and stuff.

      It gets the main content fine though, which is what matters to me.

      I will agree that it should not be in a list of Open Source products though and that apart from Word Pro importing, I don't use it for anything else. The interface is dire and slooooow.

  48. Re:I personally like this one by Randle_Revar · · Score: 1

    There is. It is called "Firefox with NoScript"

  49. audio by vuffi_raa · · Score: 1

    someone.... a decent daw or audio sequencer on linux.... it would make me move at least one machine to linux here @ home

  50. OO.o Is Easy to Use. Still No Cost. by Trackster · · Score: 1
    I had absolutely no trouble transitioning from MS Office to Open Office. It's pretty much just like MS Office in the interface with just a few minor differences in language and interface. For this reason, Your argument isn't completely valid.

    Besides, considering how much MS Word (in particular) tends to frustrate you by doing its own thing, I'd say transitioning to OO.o is that much more trivial when you have a lot of control and usablility to trade for your effort.

    What's more, It's immeasurably easier to transition to OO.o than to transition to the MS Office "Ribbon" interface. So, again, your argument isn't well founded.

  51. Right tool for the job by bobv-pillars-net · · Score: 1

    It's been my experience that the people who have problems switching between Microsoft Office and OpenOffice are precisely the ones who should be using LaTeX.

    People who use (either) Office for its intended purpose (form letters, business correspondence, short reports) should find them very nearly interchangeable.

    Too many people use their Word Processor as a Swiss-Army-Knife of Desktop Publishing. After time, they learn to take its idiosyncrasies so completely for granted that switching to *ANYTHING* else (even a later version of the same product) is painful.

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  52. Asterisk by z_gringo · · Score: 3, Informative

    I am kind of surprised that Asterisk didn't make the list. There is a complete open source revolution happening in the field of Telephony. Asterisk 1.6 has been released, and Asterisk 1.4 is very solid and not only can do everything that the conventional higher end PBXs do, but can do a lot more.


    Asterisk has also inspired some other open source PBX projects. Asterisk doesn't necesarrily need to be only a IP pbx either, but in the VOIP field there are loads of exciting products that are revolutionizing telephony.


    Surely one of those products is at least worth a mention instead of putting linux in the list 4 times and open office in there twice.

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    1. Re:Asterisk by diego.viola · · Score: 1

      I been using Asterisk 1.4.x and I found it quite buggy (deadlocks, dtmf issues, audio corruption issues, problems with codecs transcoding, etc).

      Then I was forced to look at alternatives and I found FreeSWITCH, which was built to be a better alternative.

      Me and other people I know have FreeSWITCH running in production systems, it works really well, some carrier services such as Teliax are also migrating to it, it's starting to take off the market.

      I recommend everyone that is interested in VoIP and IP Telephony to look into it, you will love it.

      http://www.freeswitch.org/

    2. Re:Asterisk by diego.viola · · Score: 1

      They just released 1.0.2 with great improvements.

      http://digg.com/software/FreeSWITCH_New_Release_For_The_New_Year

      So go and spread the word.

  53. Lotus Symphony by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 1

    What exactly is teh License? Wkipedia says "Proprietary."

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  54. Two versions of Ubuntu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's totally pointless.

  55. DD-WRT by jman.org · · Score: 1

    The list did seem to be a bit distro-heavy.

    Hard to imagine DD-WRT not being on any FOSS project top-ten list. Although begun in 2004, v24 was released this past May, and is already up to service pack 2. It's very much under active development.

    Perhaps Canonical can graciously give up one of its two slots and let Brainslayer et al share the fun.

  56. LOL - groupthink in action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Brother, your post is doubleplusgood. It reminds posters that only posts conforming to groupthink are allowed. The GP must be taken for re-education for his ungroupthinkful comment.

    There are no bugs in OSS

    Choice is slavery

    Open Source is strength

  57. No... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That was 2006
    Hang on - no it was 2005
    Or was it 2004
    Or maybe 2003
    Surely it was 2002
    But if I remember correctly...

  58. Why is the above insightful? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Every single organization I have worked with has training costs already in place.

    You keep using Office, you train people, you use something else, you still train people. All that mumbo-jumbo about productivity is not being measured anywhere where they actually need to get things done, and administration changes would be minimal (what would that be btw?)

    And what about this nonsense about IT departments being familiar with something as an important factor for adoption? If this was even remotely relevant we would still be doing computing with WordPerfect and Lotus running in MSDOS. After was what everybody was familiar with.

    There is a point when changes must be introduced because the benefits are too obvious.

    Replacing MS products has reached that stage, it is only inertia what is stopping businesses from doing so, costs are frankly negligible and technical merit is beyond doubt at this point.

    The training "issue" is a red herring, any skills you may have acquired using MS Office are perfectly transferable to OO.org

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  59. In big corps you do. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    In smaller shops, less likely but not unheard off.

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