What a silly question - it's bipartisan if both parties agree to it.
Bipartisan doesn't mean you only get half of what you want!
That the GOP got 90% of what they wanted means they were better at negotiating - how much of what they wanted did the Dems get? I seem to recall they wanted enough of an increase in the debt ceiling to avoid having to ask for more money before the 2012 election, they got that...
"who in their right mind would give a loan to a USA student going to major in sociology?"
No, the better question is who in their right mind would take out a loan to major in sociology? (considering that they could wind up with $100K in debt when they graduate and very little prospect of ever seeing an above-average income level job with their undergraduate degree, and that debt could rise to $200K if they decide to go after a Masters or PHd)
People a bank would never loan $20K to buy a car (a loan backed by a physical asset, BTW) can go to college and run up $150-200K in student loans with no problem - I wonder if that has something to do with the runaway cost of higher education?
"The reality is that i havent been paying any higher taxes with Obama in office than I did with Bush."
Snookie knows that to be false - every tanning session costs more. Taxes have gone up, but you are still enjoying the low income tax rates President Bush gave you - President Bush says you're welcome.
And since the housing bubble/CDO explosion took place under the last Republican's watch, and he only had the decency to warn the American public shortly before he was out of office,
The" housing bubble/CDO explosion" itself only occured shortly before Bush left office - because of term limits he was prevented from remaining in office another term, and the Democratic Candidate running to replace President Bush didn't see the need to stop campaigning to focus on the economy in his capacity as a Senator - he instead relied on his "multi-tasking ability". Then, amazingly, he assumed office in January of 2009 and promptly announced that the economy was much worse than he realized...
And remember, one of the problems with the CDO explosion was (in part) the unprecedented rise in forclosures of people that couldn't pay their mortgages, mortgages they couldn't afford nor should they ever have been approved for, except for the various federally-insured mortgage programs that encouraged selling zero down, 110% mortgages to anyone no matter their credit history - those feel-good, counter-logical programs were brought to you by the Democrats.
it is going to be a long time before I want another Republican in charge.
Becasue the Democrats are doing such a good job defending the extension of the Bush Tax Cuts and Bush Student Loan Interest Rate Cuts?
Remember the Corporate Jet Tax Loopholes the President and Democrats were railing about? It was Obama that made Corporate Jets (and other capital investments) eligible for 100% depreciation in the first year, building on George Bush's more modest tax break that was in-place when Obama took office - Obama expanded it greatly, then, when he sensed political ground could be gained, he reversed himself and fought to repeal his own tax break on corporate jets.
And don't get me started on the Iraq "surge" - a plan crafted under Bush that Obama mocked, then embraced, and ultimately held up as him meeting one of his campaign promises when ran for office.
Oh, and one last thing - remember Solyndra, where $535 Million dollars was turned into around 1,000 jobs for two years and then imploded in dramatic fashion? It was the Republicans that understood selling solar panels below cost was a money-losing proposal. President Obama took their rejected application and figured the his campaign donors that were already invested in the company knew better and approved the loan guarantee, then when the money got tight, he put his campaign contributors ahead of the federal government in case the company went into default (an illegal move that the administration defends to this day).
Remember when Obama & the Dems wanted to let some of the Bush Tax Cuts expire, and they feverishly argued that it wasn't a tax increase, it was a return the the "normal" rate, that the law included a sunset for a reason?
Then remember when letting the rest of the Bush Tax Cuts expire was an unconcionable burden to place on working Americans?
These student loan rate cuts (passed while Bush was President, which makes me wonder why they aren't referred to as the Bush Student Loan Cuts, but I digress) went into law with a 5 year life, put there by the Democrats with the explicit purpose of expiring a few months before the 2012 Presidential election. Furthermore, President Obama submitted a budget proposal a couple months ago that let the student loan rate cut expire - why would he do that?
Finally, people are starting to warn that we have a "lost generation" - the current generation graduating from college and going years before finding work in their field of study - seems to me the President is trying to buy them off, hoping they won't notice the lack ofopportunities available to them...
I hope they worked out the boundary cases (teachers that are parents of students, etc). But by and large I think this is a reasonable first step.
No, I'm not trying to deny the inevitable march into social media, but the issues with Facebook friending are:
- possibility of mixing work and personal lives of teachers - there are many things that teachers are expected to not do in and around students in school, including students into their private social media could create problems
- inability of schools to monitor relationships between students and teachers, hoping to detect, if not prevent them from happening
When I last read about this type of issue, the proposed law was very clear - is a school district runs a Facebook-like web site that includes the ability to monitor communications between employees (teachers) and customers (students) that was fine.
Why do teachers need to 'friend' under-age students of theirs? And no, arguing that this is how kids want to communicate with their teachers isn't good enough - there are too many alternatives for teachers to answer questions, distribute class work, etc.
"Unless, of course, you count the opinion of people who don't understand the science involved and blame other people for their own lack of understanding."
Why not? You're likely counting the opinion of Global Warming supporters that "don't understand the science involved"... Only seems fair to count the "D" Science students on BOTH sides of the argument. Supporters include Natural Science student All Gore who earned a "D" at Harvard in Natural Science 6 ("Man's Place in Nature"), so why not the guy driving the bread truck?
I love the hubris of the original poster in declaring this the "last" possible avenue of dissent, as if all of climatology were a known, predictable science... I believe it to be an evolving science - otherwise, why do they keep changing their models and simulations?
Metro/wire shelving could work well for such an application - If you bought two sets of shelves and put all the shelves on one set of legs you could "stack" your hardware without having any equipment resting on top of another piece of equipment or taking over the room.
I have run Cat5E similar to what you describe (two jacks per room, none in Dining room (duh!) all run to one patch panel in the basement), and I scored a 42U surplus rack off eBay, andrackmount shelves, rails for servers aren't THAT expensive...
Get the patch panel in the wall, hang a rackmount switch next to it, and then mount servers, KVM, UPS, etc.
If you prefer, Metro shelving (the metal shelving common in kitchens,etc) is OK (IMHO), but I think you'll want to avoid stacking machines on top of other machines...
Of course, if you only have one machine Metro shelving may be best - put the system, UPS, etc on the top shelf, the rest are for storage.
Apparently you spent time in a poorly-run K-12 school district. Where you see a panacea to all that you imagine is wrong in education where computers are concenred, I see problems. The $25 price point is cute, but tarted up for the education market (case, PS, etc) it becomes $50, but that's still cheap. Imagine walking back into your old job, going into a classroom, taking the current "heavily locked-down Windows machines" and replacing it with a Raspberry Pi - what would the teacher think? Would they cheer for a technological revolution OR wonder why they were singled out to have their computers removed?
You can program on a Windows machine without "messing up your 'real' computer - it's called a web server.
No IT support required? Ha-Ha! That's a good one - K-12 school districts have support for VCRs and overhead projectors.
Hey, it was only $25? Or about 1/3 the likely cost of the approved textbook to support the computer... And don't forget the cost of sending the teachers out to professional development courses to train them to use/teach these new systems.
Rather than "revolutionize" their educational computing environment, why not hire a part-time Windows Admin to properly implement GPO policies?
Your $200 estimate for a complete kit is a bit "optomistic" (low), but let's work with it.
I'd like to encourage anyone considereing deploying these "systems" in a public school system take a moment and try to explain to a concerned parent how this cobbled-together "system" at $200 is a better educational tool than a $400 Win 7 PC or even a $300 Linux PC. Once you get past "it has a web browser" answer most parents will find it sorely lacking in comparison and wonder why their children can't get access to the same computers other US kids are using in schools all across the country.
You seriously think this will ever be a threat to Microsoft? On what planet?
This system reminds me of the COSMAC ELF of the early 1970s, but with a an ethernet port and an HDMI connection for the TV. Those who think this is revolutionary need to expand their knowledge of computer history to at least a point prior to Saint Linus came down from the Mount with his Linux Kernel...
1) Educational tool - seriously? You imagine this will be some sort of "stone soup" revolution in education, all centered arounf a $25 circuit board with no case, PS, keyboard, ouse or display, no course materials, and on a platform unlike the Macs or PCs the students have at home, their parents use at work?
2) Media Center - When most folks discuss a media center they don't imagine an appliance that could easily be replaced by a refurbished XBox, $50 Roku, or an Apple TV. They usually look for a system they describe as an HTPC with enough "umph" to decode blu-ray discs.
3) Robotics Controller - the educational market is littered with dozens and dozens of purpose-built robotics controllers, with course material readily available to support it's use in the classroom.
4) Homebrew NAS - this is better than a $29 Pogo Plug how, exactly?
5) Cheap Linux Box - Assuming you have an available TV with an appropriate digital input, keyboard, mouse, power supply and the inclination to assemple all the pieces, how, exactly, is this better than the P4 system rotting away in your neighbor's closet? Any chance you'd need an internet connection to really make this useful? That has you spending $20+ month on your internet connection to feed your $25 linux box.
6) Point of Sale machines - So you imagine a vendor will invest in a touch screen flat panel display, barcode scanner, and cash drawer and build them all around a $25 circuit board? Why? OpenPOS runs fine on a 386 or better machine.
7) Disposable computer for test industries - what does this mean? A data collection device? Please define "disposable" - any chance this "disposable coputer for test industries" would involve using sensors that sell for 10-100x more than the "disposable" computer?
"and that was 1 minutes thought" - that was pretty obvious.
How many P3 and P4 computers will be replaced in schools with Raspberry Pi systems?
If only there was some way to load a development environment onto those surplus computers being shiped by the, uhm, ship load, to China to be recycled - that would be sweet!
So could someone explain to me how these $25 circuit boards are "better" than any one of the countless millions of P4 computers that we dump in the cargo holds of contaner ships heading back to China to be "recycled" into a small amount of precious metals and a whole lot of toxic waste???
Last time I looked this system required a power supply, USB keyboard and mouse, case, and a display that can accept a digital signal - in comparison, the Vic-20, Commodore 64, and Sinclair ZX-81 all came with keyboard, case & and power supply, and only required a composite video capable monitor (or a TV modulator).
This is much more like the Apple I - the circuit board that could be bought unpopulated or completed, and was quickly snapped-up by a small community of enthusiasts and then made obvious the need to offer a complete system that included a keyboard, case and power supply.
How long till Raspberry Pi offers their version of the Apple II, a system in a case with a keyboard, mouse, and power supply?
"Considering the fact that the Z77 Express is designed for next-gen processors and targets the high-performance desktop segment"
Intel has Server chipsets and Desktop chipsets, not to mention protable and specialty chipsets - this is a desktop/workstation chipset, aimed directly at the "enthusiast" market.
Intel has a tradition of not creating server drivers for desktop chipset/MB combinations, I wouldn't expect any MB maker to use a performance desktop chipset for a server MB.
And if every shop participates, your "device" will never stop vibrating, and you will soon turn it off - information overload. I pass by many more stores than I stop in, and no discount imaginable would suffice to get me into Yankee Candles or Talbots...
OK, so I've got a device in my pocket - a cellphone, call it a tablet, whatever - and as I walk through the mall it vibrates with special offers from each retailer I pass in front of - how long do I leave this "feature" enabled? Two, three stores? The fact that the device is "smart" and will deduce from my facebook status of "single" and that I'm male that I'm not interested in offers from Yankee Candle, Bed, Bath and Beyond or Victoria's Secret doesn't really help much...
It will be the most disabled "feature" on personal devices, and will sink any product where the device is subsidised by the alerts.
I see a great market in the "I've fallen and I can't get up" device market - concerned children will buy them for their elderly parents who are still living independently, and let's not forget the "where's my kid" market segment, but this location-based direct marketing is a dumb idea. period.
What about translating the books they could use into their language? Why do they need laptops/tablets and the associated infrastructure that powers them and the additional infrastructure that binds them to the internet where they can access a vast pool of knowledge in a foreign language?
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What a silly question - it's bipartisan if both parties agree to it.
Bipartisan doesn't mean you only get half of what you want!
That the GOP got 90% of what they wanted means they were better at negotiating - how much of what they wanted did the Dems get? I seem to recall they wanted enough of an increase in the debt ceiling to avoid having to ask for more money before the 2012 election, they got that...
No, the better question is who in their right mind would take out a loan to major in sociology? (considering that they could wind up with $100K in debt when they graduate and very little prospect of ever seeing an above-average income level job with their undergraduate degree, and that debt could rise to $200K if they decide to go after a Masters or PHd)
Then-Senator Obama couldn't even bother to vote for this bill when it went through the Senate - not even "present".
Or why current graduates can't find jobs?
People a bank would never loan $20K to buy a car (a loan backed by a physical asset, BTW) can go to college and run up $150-200K in student loans with no problem - I wonder if that has something to do with the runaway cost of higher education?
Snookie knows that to be false - every tanning session costs more. Taxes have gone up, but you are still enjoying the low income tax rates President Bush gave you - President Bush says you're welcome.
The" housing bubble/CDO explosion" itself only occured shortly before Bush left office - because of term limits he was prevented from remaining in office another term, and the Democratic Candidate running to replace President Bush didn't see the need to stop campaigning to focus on the economy in his capacity as a Senator - he instead relied on his "multi-tasking ability". Then, amazingly, he assumed office in January of 2009 and promptly announced that the economy was much worse than he realized...
And remember, one of the problems with the CDO explosion was (in part) the unprecedented rise in forclosures of people that couldn't pay their mortgages, mortgages they couldn't afford nor should they ever have been approved for, except for the various federally-insured mortgage programs that encouraged selling zero down, 110% mortgages to anyone no matter their credit history - those feel-good, counter-logical programs were brought to you by the Democrats.
Becasue the Democrats are doing such a good job defending the extension of the Bush Tax Cuts and Bush Student Loan Interest Rate Cuts?
Remember the Corporate Jet Tax Loopholes the President and Democrats were railing about? It was Obama that made Corporate Jets (and other capital investments) eligible for 100% depreciation in the first year, building on George Bush's more modest tax break that was in-place when Obama took office - Obama expanded it greatly, then, when he sensed political ground could be gained, he reversed himself and fought to repeal his own tax break on corporate jets.
And don't get me started on the Iraq "surge" - a plan crafted under Bush that Obama mocked, then embraced, and ultimately held up as him meeting one of his campaign promises when ran for office.
Oh, and one last thing - remember Solyndra, where $535 Million dollars was turned into around 1,000 jobs for two years and then imploded in dramatic fashion? It was the Republicans that understood selling solar panels below cost was a money-losing proposal. President Obama took their rejected application and figured the his campaign donors that were already invested in the company knew better and approved the loan guarantee, then when the money got tight, he put his campaign contributors ahead of the federal government in case the company went into default (an illegal move that the administration defends to this day).
Remember when Obama & the Dems wanted to let some of the Bush Tax Cuts expire, and they feverishly argued that it wasn't a tax increase, it was a return the the "normal" rate, that the law included a sunset for a reason?
Then remember when letting the rest of the Bush Tax Cuts expire was an unconcionable burden to place on working Americans?
These student loan rate cuts (passed while Bush was President, which makes me wonder why they aren't referred to as the Bush Student Loan Cuts, but I digress) went into law with a 5 year life, put there by the Democrats with the explicit purpose of expiring a few months before the 2012 Presidential election. Furthermore, President Obama submitted a budget proposal a couple months ago that let the student loan rate cut expire - why would he do that?
Finally, people are starting to warn that we have a "lost generation" - the current generation graduating from college and going years before finding work in their field of study - seems to me the President is trying to buy them off, hoping they won't notice the lack ofopportunities available to them...
I hope they worked out the boundary cases (teachers that are parents of students, etc). But by and large I think this is a reasonable first step.
No, I'm not trying to deny the inevitable march into social media, but the issues with Facebook friending are:
- possibility of mixing work and personal lives of teachers - there are many things that teachers are expected to not do in and around students in school, including students into their private social media could create problems
- inability of schools to monitor relationships between students and teachers, hoping to detect, if not prevent them from happening
When I last read about this type of issue, the proposed law was very clear - is a school district runs a Facebook-like web site that includes the ability to monitor communications between employees (teachers) and customers (students) that was fine.
Why do teachers need to 'friend' under-age students of theirs? And no, arguing that this is how kids want to communicate with their teachers isn't good enough - there are too many alternatives for teachers to answer questions, distribute class work, etc.
Why not? You're likely counting the opinion of Global Warming supporters that "don't understand the science involved"... Only seems fair to count the "D" Science students on BOTH sides of the argument. Supporters include Natural Science student All Gore who earned a "D" at Harvard in Natural Science 6 ("Man's Place in Nature"), so why not the guy driving the bread truck?
I love the hubris of the original poster in declaring this the "last" possible avenue of dissent, as if all of climatology were a known, predictable science... I believe it to be an evolving science - otherwise, why do they keep changing their models and simulations?
Amazing that the poster has decided that there are no more possible arguments against global warming, that this is the LAST one...
I think any reasonable person would agree it is the LATEST, but by no means can it be declared LAST.
As if dissenters, like Plankton when he ran out of plans to get the Crabby Patty formula, have exhausted all plans, A thru Y...
Plan Z
Metro/wire shelving could work well for such an application - If you bought two sets of shelves and put all the shelves on one set of legs you could "stack" your hardware without having any equipment resting on top of another piece of equipment or taking over the room.
I have run Cat5E similar to what you describe (two jacks per room, none in Dining room (duh!) all run to one patch panel in the basement), and I scored a 42U surplus rack off eBay, andrackmount shelves, rails for servers aren't THAT expensive...
Get the patch panel in the wall, hang a rackmount switch next to it, and then mount servers, KVM, UPS, etc.
If you prefer, Metro shelving (the metal shelving common in kitchens,etc) is OK (IMHO), but I think you'll want to avoid stacking machines on top of other machines...
Of course, if you only have one machine Metro shelving may be best - put the system, UPS, etc on the top shelf, the rest are for storage.
...when Desktop Linux usage approaches half of that of Microsoft's most recent failure, Vista.
The lowest estimate for Vista usage at 7.49% is 5x that of the average estimate of Linux usage at about 1.33% here.
In my day we called this "Requirements". we wrote them before we wrote code, and we tested the code to make sure all the requirements were met.
Apparently you spent time in a poorly-run K-12 school district. Where you see a panacea to all that you imagine is wrong in education where computers are concenred, I see problems. The $25 price point is cute, but tarted up for the education market (case, PS, etc) it becomes $50, but that's still cheap. Imagine walking back into your old job, going into a classroom, taking the current "heavily locked-down Windows machines" and replacing it with a Raspberry Pi - what would the teacher think? Would they cheer for a technological revolution OR wonder why they were singled out to have their computers removed?
You can program on a Windows machine without "messing up your 'real' computer - it's called a web server.
No IT support required? Ha-Ha! That's a good one - K-12 school districts have support for VCRs and overhead projectors.
Hey, it was only $25? Or about 1/3 the likely cost of the approved textbook to support the computer... And don't forget the cost of sending the teachers out to professional development courses to train them to use/teach these new systems.
Rather than "revolutionize" their educational computing environment, why not hire a part-time Windows Admin to properly implement GPO policies?
Your $200 estimate for a complete kit is a bit "optomistic" (low), but let's work with it.
I'd like to encourage anyone considereing deploying these "systems" in a public school system take a moment and try to explain to a concerned parent how this cobbled-together "system" at $200 is a better educational tool than a $400 Win 7 PC or even a $300 Linux PC. Once you get past "it has a web browser" answer most parents will find it sorely lacking in comparison and wonder why their children can't get access to the same computers other US kids are using in schools all across the country.
You seriously think this will ever be a threat to Microsoft? On what planet?
This system reminds me of the COSMAC ELF of the early 1970s, but with a an ethernet port and an HDMI connection for the TV. Those who think this is revolutionary need to expand their knowledge of computer history to at least a point prior to Saint Linus came down from the Mount with his Linux Kernel...
In order:
1) Educational tool - seriously? You imagine this will be some sort of "stone soup" revolution in education, all centered arounf a $25 circuit board with no case, PS, keyboard, ouse or display, no course materials, and on a platform unlike the Macs or PCs the students have at home, their parents use at work?
2) Media Center - When most folks discuss a media center they don't imagine an appliance that could easily be replaced by a refurbished XBox, $50 Roku, or an Apple TV. They usually look for a system they describe as an HTPC with enough "umph" to decode blu-ray discs.
3) Robotics Controller - the educational market is littered with dozens and dozens of purpose-built robotics controllers, with course material readily available to support it's use in the classroom.
4) Homebrew NAS - this is better than a $29 Pogo Plug how, exactly?
5) Cheap Linux Box - Assuming you have an available TV with an appropriate digital input, keyboard, mouse, power supply and the inclination to assemple all the pieces, how, exactly, is this better than the P4 system rotting away in your neighbor's closet? Any chance you'd need an internet connection to really make this useful? That has you spending $20+ month on your internet connection to feed your $25 linux box.
6) Point of Sale machines - So you imagine a vendor will invest in a touch screen flat panel display, barcode scanner, and cash drawer and build them all around a $25 circuit board? Why? OpenPOS runs fine on a 386 or better machine.
7) Disposable computer for test industries - what does this mean? A data collection device? Please define "disposable" - any chance this "disposable coputer for test industries" would involve using sensors that sell for 10-100x more than the "disposable" computer?
"and that was 1 minutes thought" - that was pretty obvious.
How many P3 and P4 computers will be replaced in schools with Raspberry Pi systems?
If only there was some way to load a development environment onto those surplus computers being shiped by the, uhm, ship load, to China to be recycled - that would be sweet!
So could someone explain to me how these $25 circuit boards are "better" than any one of the countless millions of P4 computers that we dump in the cargo holds of contaner ships heading back to China to be "recycled" into a small amount of precious metals and a whole lot of toxic waste???
Last time I looked this system required a power supply, USB keyboard and mouse, case, and a display that can accept a digital signal - in comparison, the Vic-20, Commodore 64, and Sinclair ZX-81 all came with keyboard, case & and power supply, and only required a composite video capable monitor (or a TV modulator).
This is much more like the Apple I - the circuit board that could be bought unpopulated or completed, and was quickly snapped-up by a small community of enthusiasts and then made obvious the need to offer a complete system that included a keyboard, case and power supply.
How long till Raspberry Pi offers their version of the Apple II, a system in a case with a keyboard, mouse, and power supply?
Servers?
From TFA:
Intel has Server chipsets and Desktop chipsets, not to mention protable and specialty chipsets - this is a desktop/workstation chipset, aimed directly at the "enthusiast" market.
Intel has a tradition of not creating server drivers for desktop chipset/MB combinations, I wouldn't expect any MB maker to use a performance desktop chipset for a server MB.
And if every shop participates, your "device" will never stop vibrating, and you will soon turn it off - information overload. I pass by many more stores than I stop in, and no discount imaginable would suffice to get me into Yankee Candles or Talbots...
Because big banners in the shop windows are useless at communicating with shoppers, right?
OK, so I've got a device in my pocket - a cellphone, call it a tablet, whatever - and as I walk through the mall it vibrates with special offers from each retailer I pass in front of - how long do I leave this "feature" enabled? Two, three stores? The fact that the device is "smart" and will deduce from my facebook status of "single" and that I'm male that I'm not interested in offers from Yankee Candle, Bed, Bath and Beyond or Victoria's Secret doesn't really help much...
It will be the most disabled "feature" on personal devices, and will sink any product where the device is subsidised by the alerts.
I see a great market in the "I've fallen and I can't get up" device market - concerned children will buy them for their elderly parents who are still living independently, and let's not forget the "where's my kid" market segment, but this location-based direct marketing is a dumb idea. period.
What about translating the books they could use into their language? Why do they need laptops/tablets and the associated infrastructure that powers them and the additional infrastructure that binds them to the internet where they can access a vast pool of knowledge in a foreign language?