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Sorry, but your tired comment was used about a million times by some other retard over a year and half ago. Maybe when you can come up with something original you'll have the right to criticize someone else's hard work.
I'm stunned I haven't heard this from anyone else, but you know these will have to be wirelessly connected somehow so it can update with the latest advertising. And with that wireless connection is a nice easy way for the state to Lojack your car and know exactly where you are every minute of the day. How convenient.
Contempt for Apple end-users? Oh bullshit. They have taken a path that you might not approve of, or don't understand, but overall they have a great, solid platform. Wrapping your BS argument in the flag of "freedom" is pathetically misleading.
Jailbreaking IS a choice and to say otherwise is untrue. Whether it is Apple condoned is really irrelevant isn't it? It is an option as evidenced by the Cydia app store. And yes, Apple's position is that it is a circumvention of the DMCA and thus illegal. I even heard this week that the FCC is soon going to rule whether jailbreaking a phone is an exception of the DMCA or not. I personally do not agree with Apple's stance on jailbreaking being illegal but I do agree with their stance that it should void the warranty.
Oh bullshit, you're lying your ass off. Are you seriously trying to say that they did that to you, and only you (since if it was happening it would have been found by now and the uproar would have been huge!)?
They most certainly did NOT upgrade the OS without your knowledge or approval. Based on the rest of your rant, you most likely just transitioned from one of your personalities (who had updated the phone) to your other personality (who wasn't aware of the update). Either that or drugs were involved because what you outlined did not happen.
Wow, I didn't follow your link until after I posted before, but once I did I found out my post was right on the money. You didn't get slammed because you were anti-Apple, you got slammed because you were lying or disingenuous on EVERY single point in your post. Did you expect to get patted on the back for telling blatant lies?
The publishers mandate DRM on books and videos, bitch at them if you don't like it.
And as for the lock in on proprietary applications, do you mean like the same lock in present on BB, Android, Win Mobile, Palm, etc? It's the same for every phone that uses a different OS, so why are you singling Apple out?
Try to understand the issue before commenting on it in the future.
The haven't banned Admob you retard! Maybe, just maybe, you are getting modded down not because you oppose Apple, but because you don't know WTF you're talking about. This comment is a perfect example. In your hysteria to hate on Apple you blow things out of proportion or just outright tell falsehoods. I think that deserves getting modded down.
Ahhh, I see the idiot patrol is out in full force today. Let's address your inaccuracies one at a time.
"1. Hardware of the iDevices" - How dare they want to make money on the product they sell?!!
"2. Monthly kickback from AT&T on iPhone users monthly fees. (This is the real reason for exclusivity to shitty AT&T, Apple is just too greedy)" - Nooooo, the real reason for exclusivity with AT&T was AT&T was the only (big) cellular provider that would give Apple the terms and conditions they wanted with regards to features, promotion, warranty of their product, etc. At the time the carriers held all the cards and Verizon (who was approached first) was unwilling to give Apple the terms they wanted so they went to AT&T. And let's be clear here, the terms that Apple wanted are what makes the iPhone so popular.
"3. A forced 30% cut of all software sales for the iDevices." - The use of the word "forced" is undoubtably meant to conjure up images of brutal prison guards pointing a gun at the heads of small children. Apple provides the store front, the advertising, one stop shopping, ratings, the whole ecosystem and they simply want 30% to cover costs and make a small profit on their idea. Did you think they should give all that work away for free? And I don't think the developers thought it was unreasonable considering they flocked to the business model in droves.
"4. And now a 40% cut of ad sales in Apps(while conveniently banning Admob)." - Admob is most certainly NOT banned. Admob can advertise, but they can not send analytic info back to Google so Google can steal Apple's data and use it to improve their competing OS, Android. Google can't get an eternal free ride on Apple's innovation.
"What boggles the mind is why can't they pay a few more bucks to the people working in Foxconn(who are jumping off buildings) who actually make these iDevices?" - What boggles the mind is how you could say something so incredibly stupid and still try to take the moral high ground. Foxconn makes lots of electronic devices from many companies, but somehow you have singled Apple out as the lone bad guy. Dell, HP, etc. have stuff manufactured there, but no one is picking on them? And what about Foxconn management and Chinese employment practices, no one is ripping on that? Seems a bit hypocritical to just pick on Apple. And what's worse is Apple DID offer to take reduced profits and so they could up worker pay (it was in the news last week I think) so please learn what you're talking about.
In the end this is not about any moral high ground, but rather your blind hatred of Apple. You are either woefully uninformed or just lying to spread disinformation.
So Android locks people into Android compatible apps? And MS locks people into MS compatible apps.
Sorry, you are not locked in one bit beyond the fact that you have to use apps that are compatible with the platform. You can choose the App store or you can jailbreak and use Cydia. You have all the choice in the world.
"I'm sure the vast majority of Apple users are idiots"
- Nice, a true testament to your thought process. But maybe they aren't idiots, they just don't have the same thoughts on this topic or even CARE. They are happy with their purchase. So why does the vast majority have to have their lives shaped by you?
As for locking people in, I'm assuming you are implying that Apple is locking people in somehow? I'd sure like to understand that because I don't see any lock-in at all.
Face it, this isn't about freedom, this about you not liking Apple and using this as an excuse to rip on them. I highly doubt you are protesting any other company for the same thing, and it's all around you.
Hey, I've got a solution. Why don't you vote with your wallet then and not buy Apple products. Then you can move on to all the other companies that practice the same thing, but you (hypocritically) are not bitching about.
Face it, the vast majority of people bitching about this are just Apple haters. They aren't yelling at other game console makers, car makers, etc. for the same thing, just Apple. It's all bullshit hatred of Apple wrapped in the flag of "freedom, choice and open".
You have all the choice in the world. Buy or don't buy Apple products. If you buy an iPhone then follow Apple's path or jailbreak. You're not restricted one bit and you know it.
"The complaints are there because the iPhone is a mobile phone, not a game console." . . .."but it's a phone, not a video game system. Treating it the same as a Xbox is disingenuous at best."
- I think your argument is disingenuous at best. You're saying it's okay on a game console because gamers are used to the idea, but homebrew on the fringe? Well guess what, it's the same thing with mobiles. The people whining about this are on the fringe, but they are so far on the fringe that they don't have a clue they are on the fringe. Saying it's okay for game consoles but not mobile is a bit hypocritical of you.
Damn you and your common sense, rational, and truthful dissection of this issue. What will Android fanbois fight back with now? "Freedom"? "Choice"? "Open"?
Funny how the open fanbois aren't really about freedom, but only the freedom they think you should have. Cue Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld (the new Godwin) to educate you on the same type of freedom.
" few users have the technical how-to to even attempt it (jailbreaking)" - Yes, and those that want to jailbreak it can usually do it, and the ones who don't care about it don't need to know how to do it. So where is the problem here?
"The experiment's outcome is already predetermined, and the staggering growth that Android has had is proof enough of that fact. All the complaining is merely to try and get Apple not to bother us so much as they die, and maybe, hopefully shut the evangelists for a minute or so." - Then if it's already predetermined then maybe the haters could shut up for a minute or so too and let the millions of users of Apple products enjoy them. The staggering growth of Android seems similar to the staggering growth of the iPhone. Maybe an Android victory is not as assured as you seem to think it is?
To "exploit"? Oh come on. Why don't you at least ask Woz if he feels exploited before coming up with this pile of drivel. You'll know him when you see him. He's the big friendly guy with huge smile on his face, riding a Segway and playing polo for fun. If that's being exploited then sign me up!
Revisionist history on your part I think. Neither Apple nor Jobs was ever a marginal also ran, they just didn't achieve the same market share. But Apple and Job's influence was felt from the beginning.
I disagree. While I understand the point you're trying to make, I don't think this is unethical. THE selling point about the Mac, iPhone, etc. is the user interface, the user experience. Apple is very concerned about the user experience and their target demographic is the average jane/joe consumer, not the power user, because that is where the highest number of possible sales are to be found. It is important to Apple that the customer have a solid, reliable, trouble-free experience because if they don't, no matter whose fault it really is, Apple will be blamed. Witness the debacle from Tuesday. AT&T is the weak link that caused the iPhone pre-orders to have so many problems, but Apple was blamed, and blamed by many people who should know better. It's the same thing with the iPhone. If Flash, or a nefarious app, or a snuff film of a 12 year old girl shows up in an app store app, Apple will be blamed. That reflects poorly on their brand, their image, and to current and possible customers.
I know there are a lot of conspiracy theories about Apple wanting to control everything, but basically they are just trying to control the consistency of the experience with their products so the average consumer is happy with their purchase, and I don't think that is unethical. It may not be the way some people want it to be, but that doesn't make it unethical.
That is the way they work and the ecosystem they have nurtured, and most everyone knows that going in. So if people don't like Apple's efforts to control the consistency of the user experience then they have a couple of options. They can buy a different product, or they can jailbreak the iPhone. Either way they DO have choice and can choose to follow Apple's path or install anything and everything from places like Cydia.
Your errors seem to have no end. Your freedom is not threatened, just your personal preferences are shared by everyone else. So maybe you are trying to dictate to others and thus taking away their "freedom" to have a product the way they want it? Your hypocrisy seems to be endless on this topic.
And as an aside, Android does not have more market share than iPhone. That was debunked soon after it was released and the only people pushing that falsehood now appear to be Android fanbois.
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Sorry, but your tired comment was used about a million times by some other retard over a year and half ago. Maybe when you can come up with something original you'll have the right to criticize someone else's hard work.
Funny how your attempt to be sarcastic only highlights your lack of understanding of the whole platform. AT&T has nothing to do with it.
I personally can't wait to hear what bullshit the whiny ass pussies make up to vent their hatred of Apple.
I'm stunned I haven't heard this from anyone else, but you know these will have to be wirelessly connected somehow so it can update with the latest advertising. And with that wireless connection is a nice easy way for the state to Lojack your car and know exactly where you are every minute of the day. How convenient.
Contempt for Apple end-users? Oh bullshit. They have taken a path that you might not approve of, or don't understand, but overall they have a great, solid platform. Wrapping your BS argument in the flag of "freedom" is pathetically misleading.
Jailbreaking IS a choice and to say otherwise is untrue. Whether it is Apple condoned is really irrelevant isn't it? It is an option as evidenced by the Cydia app store. And yes, Apple's position is that it is a circumvention of the DMCA and thus illegal. I even heard this week that the FCC is soon going to rule whether jailbreaking a phone is an exception of the DMCA or not. I personally do not agree with Apple's stance on jailbreaking being illegal but I do agree with their stance that it should void the warranty.
Oh bullshit, you're lying your ass off. Are you seriously trying to say that they did that to you, and only you (since if it was happening it would have been found by now and the uproar would have been huge!)?
They most certainly did NOT upgrade the OS without your knowledge or approval. Based on the rest of your rant, you most likely just transitioned from one of your personalities (who had updated the phone) to your other personality (who wasn't aware of the update). Either that or drugs were involved because what you outlined did not happen.
Wow, I didn't follow your link until after I posted before, but once I did I found out my post was right on the money. You didn't get slammed because you were anti-Apple, you got slammed because you were lying or disingenuous on EVERY single point in your post. Did you expect to get patted on the back for telling blatant lies?
The publishers mandate DRM on books and videos, bitch at them if you don't like it.
And as for the lock in on proprietary applications, do you mean like the same lock in present on BB, Android, Win Mobile, Palm, etc? It's the same for every phone that uses a different OS, so why are you singling Apple out?
Try to understand the issue before commenting on it in the future.
The haven't banned Admob you retard! Maybe, just maybe, you are getting modded down not because you oppose Apple, but because you don't know WTF you're talking about. This comment is a perfect example. In your hysteria to hate on Apple you blow things out of proportion or just outright tell falsehoods. I think that deserves getting modded down.
Oh wait, you're an idiot who didn't RTFA.
Posted as an anonymous coward for a reason I guess. Didn't want to face the music so you hid behind AC.
I think before you look down your nose in derision at those silly fanboys you should step back and realize how stupid your comments just were.
Ahhh, I see the idiot patrol is out in full force today. Let's address your inaccuracies one at a time.
"1. Hardware of the iDevices"
- How dare they want to make money on the product they sell?!!
"2. Monthly kickback from AT&T on iPhone users monthly fees. (This is the real reason for exclusivity to shitty AT&T, Apple is just too greedy)"
- Nooooo, the real reason for exclusivity with AT&T was AT&T was the only (big) cellular provider that would give Apple the terms and conditions they wanted with regards to features, promotion, warranty of their product, etc. At the time the carriers held all the cards and Verizon (who was approached first) was unwilling to give Apple the terms they wanted so they went to AT&T. And let's be clear here, the terms that Apple wanted are what makes the iPhone so popular.
"3. A forced 30% cut of all software sales for the iDevices."
- The use of the word "forced" is undoubtably meant to conjure up images of brutal prison guards pointing a gun at the heads of small children. Apple provides the store front, the advertising, one stop shopping, ratings, the whole ecosystem and they simply want 30% to cover costs and make a small profit on their idea. Did you think they should give all that work away for free? And I don't think the developers thought it was unreasonable considering they flocked to the business model in droves.
"4. And now a 40% cut of ad sales in Apps(while conveniently banning Admob)."
- Admob is most certainly NOT banned. Admob can advertise, but they can not send analytic info back to Google so Google can steal Apple's data and use it to improve their competing OS, Android. Google can't get an eternal free ride on Apple's innovation.
"What boggles the mind is why can't they pay a few more bucks to the people working in Foxconn(who are jumping off buildings) who actually make these iDevices?"
- What boggles the mind is how you could say something so incredibly stupid and still try to take the moral high ground. Foxconn makes lots of electronic devices from many companies, but somehow you have singled Apple out as the lone bad guy. Dell, HP, etc. have stuff manufactured there, but no one is picking on them? And what about Foxconn management and Chinese employment practices, no one is ripping on that? Seems a bit hypocritical to just pick on Apple. And what's worse is Apple DID offer to take reduced profits and so they could up worker pay (it was in the news last week I think) so please learn what you're talking about.
In the end this is not about any moral high ground, but rather your blind hatred of Apple. You are either woefully uninformed or just lying to spread disinformation.
So Android locks people into Android compatible apps? And MS locks people into MS compatible apps.
Sorry, you are not locked in one bit beyond the fact that you have to use apps that are compatible with the platform. You can choose the App store or you can jailbreak and use Cydia. You have all the choice in the world.
"I'm sure the vast majority of Apple users are idiots"
- Nice, a true testament to your thought process. But maybe they aren't idiots, they just don't have the same thoughts on this topic or even CARE. They are happy with their purchase. So why does the vast majority have to have their lives shaped by you?
As for locking people in, I'm assuming you are implying that Apple is locking people in somehow? I'd sure like to understand that because I don't see any lock-in at all.
Face it, this isn't about freedom, this about you not liking Apple and using this as an excuse to rip on them. I highly doubt you are protesting any other company for the same thing, and it's all around you.
Hey, I've got a solution. Why don't you vote with your wallet then and not buy Apple products. Then you can move on to all the other companies that practice the same thing, but you (hypocritically) are not bitching about.
Face it, the vast majority of people bitching about this are just Apple haters. They aren't yelling at other game console makers, car makers, etc. for the same thing, just Apple. It's all bullshit hatred of Apple wrapped in the flag of "freedom, choice and open".
You have all the choice in the world. Buy or don't buy Apple products. If you buy an iPhone then follow Apple's path or jailbreak. You're not restricted one bit and you know it.
"The complaints are there because the iPhone is a mobile phone, not a game console." . . . ."but it's a phone, not a video game system. Treating it the same as a Xbox is disingenuous at best."
- I think your argument is disingenuous at best. You're saying it's okay on a game console because gamers are used to the idea, but homebrew on the fringe? Well guess what, it's the same thing with mobiles. The people whining about this are on the fringe, but they are so far on the fringe that they don't have a clue they are on the fringe. Saying it's okay for game consoles but not mobile is a bit hypocritical of you.
Damn you and your common sense, rational, and truthful dissection of this issue. What will Android fanbois fight back with now? "Freedom"? "Choice"? "Open"?
Funny how the open fanbois aren't really about freedom, but only the freedom they think you should have. Cue Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld (the new Godwin) to educate you on the same type of freedom.
" few users have the technical how-to to even attempt it (jailbreaking)"
- Yes, and those that want to jailbreak it can usually do it, and the ones who don't care about it don't need to know how to do it. So where is the problem here?
"The experiment's outcome is already predetermined, and the staggering growth that Android has had is proof enough of that fact. All the complaining is merely to try and get Apple not to bother us so much as they die, and maybe, hopefully shut the evangelists for a minute or so."
- Then if it's already predetermined then maybe the haters could shut up for a minute or so too and let the millions of users of Apple products enjoy them. The staggering growth of Android seems similar to the staggering growth of the iPhone. Maybe an Android victory is not as assured as you seem to think it is?
To "exploit"? Oh come on. Why don't you at least ask Woz if he feels exploited before coming up with this pile of drivel. You'll know him when you see him. He's the big friendly guy with huge smile on his face, riding a Segway and playing polo for fun. If that's being exploited then sign me up!
Revisionist history on your part I think. Neither Apple nor Jobs was ever a marginal also ran, they just didn't achieve the same market share. But Apple and Job's influence was felt from the beginning.
And the Oscar for Best Actor in a Melodramatic Overstatement about Apple's Intentions goes to . . . . . .
I disagree. While I understand the point you're trying to make, I don't think this is unethical. THE selling point about the Mac, iPhone, etc. is the user interface, the user experience. Apple is very concerned about the user experience and their target demographic is the average jane/joe consumer, not the power user, because that is where the highest number of possible sales are to be found. It is important to Apple that the customer have a solid, reliable, trouble-free experience because if they don't, no matter whose fault it really is, Apple will be blamed. Witness the debacle from Tuesday. AT&T is the weak link that caused the iPhone pre-orders to have so many problems, but Apple was blamed, and blamed by many people who should know better. It's the same thing with the iPhone. If Flash, or a nefarious app, or a snuff film of a 12 year old girl shows up in an app store app, Apple will be blamed. That reflects poorly on their brand, their image, and to current and possible customers.
I know there are a lot of conspiracy theories about Apple wanting to control everything, but basically they are just trying to control the consistency of the experience with their products so the average consumer is happy with their purchase, and I don't think that is unethical. It may not be the way some people want it to be, but that doesn't make it unethical.
That is the way they work and the ecosystem they have nurtured, and most everyone knows that going in. So if people don't like Apple's efforts to control the consistency of the user experience then they have a couple of options. They can buy a different product, or they can jailbreak the iPhone. Either way they DO have choice and can choose to follow Apple's path or install anything and everything from places like Cydia.
Your errors seem to have no end. Your freedom is not threatened, just your personal preferences are shared by everyone else. So maybe you are trying to dictate to others and thus taking away their "freedom" to have a product the way they want it? Your hypocrisy seems to be endless on this topic.
And as an aside, Android does not have more market share than iPhone. That was debunked soon after it was released and the only people pushing that falsehood now appear to be Android fanbois.