I'm sure your simplistic interpretation of why people buy Apple products allows you to sleep at night and makes you feel superior, but I assure you that "shininess" is the driving force behind a very small number of Apple purchases. Rather than getting angry when the masses do something you don't understand, maybe you should educate yourself a little and find out WHY they make these purchases rather than relying on your erroneous assumptions.
Is hinting at playing the Hitler card the same as playing it?
If you're happy with the N80 then that is fine. But saying that 5 years ago you could get what the iPhone has is simply not true. If you pick a single feature then it may be true, but it's the whole enchilada that is appealing to users, and that was not present in any phone before the iPhone debuted in '97. I think that is part of the problem. Those that look at feature list comparisons usually don't understand what is so appealing to users of the iPhone. And I think that is just where people are different. Those are different kinds of people. I happen to think that there are far more of the type of people who like the iPhone than those who covet feature lists and I think that is why they are so popular and why a small minority of people are so adamantly vocal about their dislike of Apple/iPhone.
I think this is the problem with these discussions. First is you ask me to point out what is so much better, and the answer is I can't tell you feature X or feature Y is head and shoulders better. This is a common theme amongst Apple fans, that it's the whole overall experience that is better than the sum of the parts. It's a well thought out product that is integrated head to toe and (sorry for repeating this) "just works". It's one of those things that you either understand or don't. If someone is focused on a feature list comparison then they probably don't get it. But this is the reason they are so popular with folks. Most people (the 98%+ who have never heard of Slashdot) do not want to tinker, they just want it to work, they want the technology to be invisible and they just want to use the tool.
It's easy to say it's slick marketing or a shiny toy for shallow people, but the reality is those arguments don't hold up. Apple has the highest customer service and customer satisfaction ratings for at least 3 years now I believe. iPhone has the highest customer satisfaction rating amongst mobile devices. Even assuming slick marketing and a shallow desire roped them in, Apple wouldn't be leading these categories if people did not love their devices and their service.
In the end each person can buy whatever they want, but it's frustrating to constantly see people who don't get it make comments about the people who do buy Apple products and love them. It's is simply not some smoke and mirrors trick that has gotten Apple to this point and that must anger many Apple haters into blindly trying to dismiss them as a fashion accessory for the uninformed when nothing could be further from the truth.
No, building a website that handles high loads consistently is not a problem. Justifying and building a site that handles extreme loads like this only 2-3 times a year is a different issue altogether. It's hard to justify overbuilding your infrastructure for 362 days of the year just to handle 3 days with absolutely no load issues. Better to slightly over build your infrastructure and experience minor issues on those 3 days.
Considering Apple haters' love for theater and manufactured hype, heavy load is the most probable cause.
If you think marketing is the only reason why the iPhone is so successful then you don't know what you're talking about. The people who only do feature list comparisons don't get it. It's the whole experience. Marketing may get some early adopters, but you have to deliver a quality product to not only keep the sales high, but also get the huge customer satisfaction numbers (industry leading I might add) that Apple has. Sorry, but your Nokia models were not mediocre because of marketing, they were mediocre because they were mediocre.
And I present to you. . ..the iPhone!! Something that Nokia, Samsung, HTC, etc. DON'T have, and even their closest competing products are not at a lower price.
I know of more people who love their iPhones. They aren't dumb fucks who party their ass off in clubs while pretending they are happy. They don't discuss science before going to be because that is just plain dumb. And they actually HAVE chicks, which is exactly why they aren't wasting their time talking about science in bed.
Go back to drinking yourself stupid, going home alone, staring at the walls and posting about science to other losers who aren't happy.
"see what "most" people are actually DOING on the internet." - Gambling? Casino sites? Really, is that what MOST people are doing on the internet? You might want to take your own advice and pull your head out of your ass and realize that MOST people are not doing that on the internet. Youtube does not require Flash, nor does Facebook. Feel free to learn about what you're trying to pontificate about before coming off as an uninformed ass.
"does not make it any better than anything else available (5 years ago)" - Implying, of course, that phones 5 years ago had these features. Which phone was that exactly? You know, the one that had the great UI, touchscreen interface, 200k+ apps, etc? Since this mystery phone had all these features 5 years ago then it obviously sold as well as the iPhone (maybe I missed it) because people seem to LOVE their iPhone. More than any other phone, it leads customer satisfaction ratings, for the 2nd or 3rd year in a row now.
"Sensible people like to CHOOSE what they can do with their mobile device, not to be TOLD" - Yes, they do. That's why I have tons of choice on my iPhone. 200k+ apps. And let's not forget how the iPhone has changed the mobile landscape and taken back a lot of power from the carriers. But hey, let's not ruin your bullshit with reality. Let's get back to blindly hating Apple. . .
Right, because all those phones were better than the iPhone, which explains why they changed the mobile landscape so much. . . .
Pull your head out of your backside and realize your feature list fixation is a stupid way to judge a product. The reason the iPhone has people waiting in line is because of the whole package. Now go back to your shitty 2 year old 5800 and multitask on your high resolutions screen.
If you don't like the product then don't buy one, but kindly STFU because it gets old listening to stupid people like yourself who pass yourself off as superior but are too damn stupid to understand why this product is so popular.
"I think it's insulting to the people that buy Apple's products" - Oh please, what a bunch of faggoty melodrama.
It's called marketing. If you want to tout your product's features in ad campaigns is it going to look better to say "so dense that your eyes won't be able to distinguish individual pixels" or is it better to say Retina Display? Answer, you want to say Retina Display because it is Branding 101.
Again, why do you care? What difference does it make if he did what you said or called it a Retina Display? Your feigned indignation is more pathetic than anything that was said during that Keynote.
Except for maybe your definition of "capable" is not what people want. Maybe they want something that is easy to use, intuitive, fun, great form factor, and DOES WHAT THEY WANT IT TO DO.
As for marketing over product quality, that is bullshit. I'm sure that helps you sleep at night, but the facts don't bear your out. Apple has LED everyone else in customer satisfaction and customer support for SEVERAL YEARS now. Slick marketing doesn't earn you those accolades, a quality product does.
Funny how that works, isn't it? The Android fanbois just can't seem to understand that feature lists are not the sole deciding factor in the consumer's decision. Until you can understand that you can hardly look down your nose at anyone else.
This entire thread is so full of misinformation it is ridiculous. Apple did NOT ban other advertisers. They simply said you need user permission before sending analytic info back to the advertiser, and that advertisers with their own mobile hardware/software platform are prohibited.
So this is not an attempt to take away all advertising competition from iAd. It's giving users the choice about sending their info to advertisers (those bastards giving users choice!!) and it prohibits mobile hardware/software vendors from stealing Apple's valuable iPhone ecosystem data.
This thread is so full of blind Apple haters and I don't think I've seen one post that was accurate. I know Google doesn't have Eric on the Apple board as a spy any more, but that doesn't give them the right to compete unfairly by using data from Apple users to push the Android platform.
Google is the one turning into the old Microsoft. Buying or stealing ideas because they can't come up with their own. It's too bad the Android fanbois can't see that reality.
Yes, he said a foot. I guess he was slightly off. If he would have said 18 inches he would have been right on the money.
Despite the minor technicality, is this really worth fighting over? It has a much higher resolution display, whether you hold it 12 inches or 18 inches. This is a non-issue.
Jeez, you don't really understand what is happening, do you? The breach happens in the order you listed because:
1. Apple is a high profile target. Hacking them gets your name printed everywhere. 2. Since you own it if you hack it, people compete to win the Mac first (who wants to compete to own a cheap ass commodity box) 3. Linux is the next highest profile target. Not as glitzy as the Mac, but hacking Linux still gets you some respect. 4. Hacking Windows is like dating your sister. Sure, you did it, but it's not anything you can really gloat about.
I think your innacurate headline qualifies for the real bait and switch. This is AT&T's fault, not Apple's. In my case it will end up saving me money. If you want to Apple bash then at least try for something legitimate. You might as well blame Apple for the Gulf oil spill.
I can almost tell instantly now that a comment is stupid if it contains the subject or opening phrase of "Hmmmmm". It's like it must be the sound stupid people make before the actually say or write the stupid thing they are thinking.
Just for the record, your comment did not deviate from my previous observations of this phenomena.
This is another attempt by Microsoft (and soon to be followed by Apple) to control your fonts. And we all know that only a free and open font base, that can be used and scaled and anti-aliased by anyone, will give us the font freedom we desire. I don't want to have to jailbreak my fonts and run the risk of a font being bricked because I had to hack the font to be able to use it in the document I want. And how do I know what fonts will be allowed into Apple's walled garden. Will I have to develop fonts using the Apple SDK or can I use third party font compilers?
At least we know that I can put any font I want on Android and then use those fonts to multi task and SSH into a mainframe sitting next to me.
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I'm sure your simplistic interpretation of why people buy Apple products allows you to sleep at night and makes you feel superior, but I assure you that "shininess" is the driving force behind a very small number of Apple purchases. Rather than getting angry when the masses do something you don't understand, maybe you should educate yourself a little and find out WHY they make these purchases rather than relying on your erroneous assumptions.
Is hinting at playing the Hitler card the same as playing it?
If you're happy with the N80 then that is fine. But saying that 5 years ago you could get what the iPhone has is simply not true. If you pick a single feature then it may be true, but it's the whole enchilada that is appealing to users, and that was not present in any phone before the iPhone debuted in '97. I think that is part of the problem. Those that look at feature list comparisons usually don't understand what is so appealing to users of the iPhone. And I think that is just where people are different. Those are different kinds of people. I happen to think that there are far more of the type of people who like the iPhone than those who covet feature lists and I think that is why they are so popular and why a small minority of people are so adamantly vocal about their dislike of Apple/iPhone.
I think this is the problem with these discussions. First is you ask me to point out what is so much better, and the answer is I can't tell you feature X or feature Y is head and shoulders better. This is a common theme amongst Apple fans, that it's the whole overall experience that is better than the sum of the parts. It's a well thought out product that is integrated head to toe and (sorry for repeating this) "just works". It's one of those things that you either understand or don't. If someone is focused on a feature list comparison then they probably don't get it. But this is the reason they are so popular with folks. Most people (the 98%+ who have never heard of Slashdot) do not want to tinker, they just want it to work, they want the technology to be invisible and they just want to use the tool.
It's easy to say it's slick marketing or a shiny toy for shallow people, but the reality is those arguments don't hold up. Apple has the highest customer service and customer satisfaction ratings for at least 3 years now I believe. iPhone has the highest customer satisfaction rating amongst mobile devices. Even assuming slick marketing and a shallow desire roped them in, Apple wouldn't be leading these categories if people did not love their devices and their service.
In the end each person can buy whatever they want, but it's frustrating to constantly see people who don't get it make comments about the people who do buy Apple products and love them. It's is simply not some smoke and mirrors trick that has gotten Apple to this point and that must anger many Apple haters into blindly trying to dismiss them as a fashion accessory for the uninformed when nothing could be further from the truth.
No, building a website that handles high loads consistently is not a problem. Justifying and building a site that handles extreme loads like this only 2-3 times a year is a different issue altogether. It's hard to justify overbuilding your infrastructure for 362 days of the year just to handle 3 days with absolutely no load issues. Better to slightly over build your infrastructure and experience minor issues on those 3 days.
Considering Apple haters' love for theater and manufactured hype, heavy load is the most probable cause.
If you think marketing is the only reason why the iPhone is so successful then you don't know what you're talking about. The people who only do feature list comparisons don't get it. It's the whole experience. Marketing may get some early adopters, but you have to deliver a quality product to not only keep the sales high, but also get the huge customer satisfaction numbers (industry leading I might add) that Apple has. Sorry, but your Nokia models were not mediocre because of marketing, they were mediocre because they were mediocre.
It compares fairly well? In what way? Impact to the mobile industry? Intuitive UI? Customer satisfaction numbers? Touchscreen interface?
Sorry, those are dogs in comparison. They didn't make an impact because they were non-remarkable.
And I present to you. . . .the iPhone!! Something that Nokia, Samsung, HTC, etc. DON'T have, and even their closest competing products are not at a lower price.
You asked for it, I delivered it. You're welcome!
Not quite. Not understanding that the iPhone IS desired, and thus the site is struggling to keep up with demand is a bit lamer.
I know of more people who love their iPhones. They aren't dumb fucks who party their ass off in clubs while pretending they are happy. They don't discuss science before going to be because that is just plain dumb. And they actually HAVE chicks, which is exactly why they aren't wasting their time talking about science in bed.
Go back to drinking yourself stupid, going home alone, staring at the walls and posting about science to other losers who aren't happy.
"see what "most" people are actually DOING on the internet."
- Gambling? Casino sites? Really, is that what MOST people are doing on the internet? You might want to take your own advice and pull your head out of your ass and realize that MOST people are not doing that on the internet. Youtube does not require Flash, nor does Facebook. Feel free to learn about what you're trying to pontificate about before coming off as an uninformed ass.
"does not make it any better than anything else available (5 years ago)"
- Implying, of course, that phones 5 years ago had these features. Which phone was that exactly? You know, the one that had the great UI, touchscreen interface, 200k+ apps, etc? Since this mystery phone had all these features 5 years ago then it obviously sold as well as the iPhone (maybe I missed it) because people seem to LOVE their iPhone. More than any other phone, it leads customer satisfaction ratings, for the 2nd or 3rd year in a row now.
"Sensible people like to CHOOSE what they can do with their mobile device, not to be TOLD"
- Yes, they do. That's why I have tons of choice on my iPhone. 200k+ apps. And let's not forget how the iPhone has changed the mobile landscape and taken back a lot of power from the carriers. But hey, let's not ruin your bullshit with reality. Let's get back to blindly hating Apple. . .
Don't you get tired of being stupid?
Right, because all those phones were better than the iPhone, which explains why they changed the mobile landscape so much. . . .
Pull your head out of your backside and realize your feature list fixation is a stupid way to judge a product. The reason the iPhone has people waiting in line is because of the whole package. Now go back to your shitty 2 year old 5800 and multitask on your high resolutions screen.
If you don't like the product then don't buy one, but kindly STFU because it gets old listening to stupid people like yourself who pass yourself off as superior but are too damn stupid to understand why this product is so popular.
Oh look, another hater who is too stupid to understand why people love Apple products and who misrepresents past Apple headlines. . .
stop being a Hater, and find a better use for your time..
Prophet Jobs can be correct too....
FTFY
Wow, speaking of RIAA comparisons, your hyperbolic statement reminds me of many things the RIAA has said . . . . complete and utter bullshit.
Hater!
I care.
"I think it's insulting to the people that buy Apple's products"
- Oh please, what a bunch of faggoty melodrama.
It's called marketing. If you want to tout your product's features in ad campaigns is it going to look better to say "so dense that your eyes won't be able to distinguish individual pixels" or is it better to say Retina Display? Answer, you want to say Retina Display because it is Branding 101.
Again, why do you care? What difference does it make if he did what you said or called it a Retina Display? Your feigned indignation is more pathetic than anything that was said during that Keynote.
Except for maybe your definition of "capable" is not what people want. Maybe they want something that is easy to use, intuitive, fun, great form factor, and DOES WHAT THEY WANT IT TO DO.
As for marketing over product quality, that is bullshit. I'm sure that helps you sleep at night, but the facts don't bear your out. Apple has LED everyone else in customer satisfaction and customer support for SEVERAL YEARS now. Slick marketing doesn't earn you those accolades, a quality product does.
Funny how that works, isn't it? The Android fanbois just can't seem to understand that feature lists are not the sole deciding factor in the consumer's decision. Until you can understand that you can hardly look down your nose at anyone else.
This entire thread is so full of misinformation it is ridiculous. Apple did NOT ban other advertisers. They simply said you need user permission before sending analytic info back to the advertiser, and that advertisers with their own mobile hardware/software platform are prohibited.
So this is not an attempt to take away all advertising competition from iAd. It's giving users the choice about sending their info to advertisers (those bastards giving users choice!!) and it prohibits mobile hardware/software vendors from stealing Apple's valuable iPhone ecosystem data.
This thread is so full of blind Apple haters and I don't think I've seen one post that was accurate. I know Google doesn't have Eric on the Apple board as a spy any more, but that doesn't give them the right to compete unfairly by using data from Apple users to push the Android platform.
Google is the one turning into the old Microsoft. Buying or stealing ideas because they can't come up with their own. It's too bad the Android fanbois can't see that reality.
Yes, he said a foot. I guess he was slightly off. If he would have said 18 inches he would have been right on the money.
Despite the minor technicality, is this really worth fighting over? It has a much higher resolution display, whether you hold it 12 inches or 18 inches. This is a non-issue.
Wow, Archos has an Android tablet out for months and no one knows about it. Quite the successful product.
Apple has one out for 2 months and it's still getting good reviews and is selling left and right.
I guess people are voting with their wallet and Android is losing.
Go away Android fanbois, the world is tired of your psuedo-open platform already.
Jeez, you don't really understand what is happening, do you? The breach happens in the order you listed because:
1. Apple is a high profile target. Hacking them gets your name printed everywhere.
2. Since you own it if you hack it, people compete to win the Mac first (who wants to compete to own a cheap ass commodity box)
3. Linux is the next highest profile target. Not as glitzy as the Mac, but hacking Linux still gets you some respect.
4. Hacking Windows is like dating your sister. Sure, you did it, but it's not anything you can really gloat about.
I think your innacurate headline qualifies for the real bait and switch. This is AT&T's fault, not Apple's. In my case it will end up saving me money. If you want to Apple bash then at least try for something legitimate. You might as well blame Apple for the Gulf oil spill.
I can almost tell instantly now that a comment is stupid if it contains the subject or opening phrase of "Hmmmmm". It's like it must be the sound stupid people make before the actually say or write the stupid thing they are thinking.
Just for the record, your comment did not deviate from my previous observations of this phenomena.
This is another attempt by Microsoft (and soon to be followed by Apple) to control your fonts. And we all know that only a free and open font base, that can be used and scaled and anti-aliased by anyone, will give us the font freedom we desire. I don't want to have to jailbreak my fonts and run the risk of a font being bricked because I had to hack the font to be able to use it in the document I want. And how do I know what fonts will be allowed into Apple's walled garden. Will I have to develop fonts using the Apple SDK or can I use third party font compilers?
At least we know that I can put any font I want on Android and then use those fonts to multi task and SSH into a mainframe sitting next to me.