And how exactly do you do it with your mythical Windows Mobile phone without buying it through the device or using another PC? Does it magically appear? I can't wait to find out how you've circumvented the laws of physics by making mp3's or pdf's appear magically from another dimension and show up on your Windows phone.
Really? You logic is not that Apple is against Flash because it runs bad, but that they are afraid faster hardware will make it run good? Did you even think that through?
Adobe's problems can not be solved by hardware. They have buggy, crash-prone, security hole riddled bloatware. The only thing hardware will fix is that the bugs, crashes and security compromises will appear quicker in faster hardware. Sorry, but your analysis doesn't hold water.
Jeez, refuting you people gets tiresome at times. . .
"Jobs is going to loose the smart phone wars just like he lost the PC wars."
- You mean like he lost the MP3 player wars. . ..ooops, he won that one. How about how he lost the digital music store wars. . . . dang, Apple won that one too! . . ..Maybe it's time you woke up and realized it is not the 80's and the war you are using as your reference may not have much relevance in the market you are discussing? There have always been multiple manufacturers, multiple OS versions, multiple form factors in the cell market and I don't see that changing, nor do I see anyone owning it all.
"My phone has a better . .."
- 5 words in and I can already see YOU JUST DON'T GET IT! The iPhone's popularity has nothing to do with point by point feature list comparisons. If you think that is a valid argument in this market then you obviously have no idea why the iPhone is popular to the average consumer.
"If he doesn't get on other cell providers this year, it is game, set, match. "
- Really? Care to put a firm timetable on your prediction? Maybe wager some money? Don't bet anything you're not prepared to lose. As one person on here has pointed out, I'm not too worried about the doom and gloom prognosticators, Apple has been about to die for 30+ years not and not only are they not dead, they are stronger than ever.
"his 2-6% being users obsessed with devices they believe to shiny beautiful and magical."
- I'm sure this ridiculous statement allows you to sleep at night, but the blatant truth is that is not reality. It goes back to my previous point, YOU DON'T GET IT. . . . Which is fine, you don't understand the market appeals of the iPhone then you aren't the target demographic, but in your attempt to explain away your own ignorance don't be a simplistic fool and something so ridiculously stupid.
Assuming, of course, that the number of bars between different models of phones is a useful measurement. I kind of doubt you can put much stock in this comparison because the metric for showing how many bars on a particular manufacturer's phone probably differs enough to make this measurement irrelevant.
You can trust it more? Seriously? That's your highbrow intellectual response? So you can trust it 39% versus only trusting another app 35%? What exactly does that offer me? You can either trust it 100% (the very definition of the word trust I might add) or you don't trust it completely. The decision IS binary.
"Astroturfers love to push this dishonest nonsense. Again pushing the false dichotomy. And pretending that open source doesn't give the entire world, billions of people, access for review. . . . Open source means any number of groups can review it"
Blind open source advocates love to push this dishonest nonsense. Open doesn't mean better. It doesn't mean safe. It only means open. You can't honestly take anything more out of it than that.
Aren't you being a bit hypocritical in your post? "freedom of choice" only means freedom to choose the way YOU think they should build their OS/phone/App Store. Is there any room in your world of "freedom" for people who want a consistent, predictable, non-technical, safe consumer phone experience with no hacker-fest options built in? It never ceases to amaze me that the people who espouse freedom in this Apple/iPhone argument don't really believe in freedom at all, only the type of freedom they want you to have.
Real freedom is the way it is now. You are free to choose the iPhone and it's business model, or you can choose something else. Quit trying to shove your freedom down everyone else's throat.
"Paul Thurrott, the prolific technology analyst and Windows expert,"
Prolific just means he spouts a lot of hot air, not that he is ever accurate. He's a known paid shill for MS and as your post said, he has a long history of hyperbolic arguments that turn out to be incorrect. This will be just added to the final tally of lies he's spouted.
It's a good job if you can get it I guess, but making a living lying your ass off has got to eat a man up inside!
How does using or not using Flash lock anyone into the app store? If you don't jailbreak then you are using the App Store. If you do jailbreak then you can put your Flash compiled junk on your iPhone in addition to using the App Store (if you choose). NOTHING has changed.
The whole idea that people are more "locked" in by Apple now is utter BS!
Here's my attempt. . . (i)-(v) All are partially false, conceited, grandiose claims by scientists who don't have the knowledge to understand the complex interactions on our planet.
There, done. I've provided just as much proof for my claim as you provided for yours. Look like I can grandstand too!!
That reasoning is so full of crap it borders on the ridiculous. Suppose I have a product that I want to sell, one that I made in my own manufacturing process, and I want it to be in Walmart, Target, etc. but they won't put it in their store. They find that the product's shoddy construction will reflect poorly on their stores and their corporate image if they put this product in their stores. Would you be upset then, would any of the Flash whiners be upset at that? No, they wouldn't. It's the same thing, except you've got this sense of entitlement about where you want your apps sold. You think it is your right to sell them anywhere you want. Unfortunately Apple has a image and an ecosystem to protect and nurture and including your crappy, Flash cross-compiled piece of crap of software is going to potentially hurt their reputation because when YOUR app fails or performs poorly, Apple will be the one blamed.
Sorry, your argument is BS. Your comparison to the MS antitrust case is simplistic and incorrect.
"you can get productive work done on a Mac/PC but not on an iPad" "What Apple has done is re-invent the portable telly" "Apple has made. . . a nice toy"
Are these the lies you tell yourself so you can sleep at night. Everyone of those is such utter bullshit. I can get plenty of productive work done on an iPad. If you hate Apple or the iPad then just say it and quit wasting our time. Posting this stupidity just makes us wade through more false prose to come to the conclusion that the author (you) is just a hater.
Maybe you should understand the point of his post before flaming him? He wasn't reliving the OS wars. He was making the point that OS support of multi-tasking and chip support of multitasking are apples and oranges.
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And how exactly do you do it with your mythical Windows Mobile phone without buying it through the device or using another PC? Does it magically appear? I can't wait to find out how you've circumvented the laws of physics by making mp3's or pdf's appear magically from another dimension and show up on your Windows phone.
I call bullshit!
Except, of course, that it does.
Really? You logic is not that Apple is against Flash because it runs bad, but that they are afraid faster hardware will make it run good? Did you even think that through?
Adobe's problems can not be solved by hardware. They have buggy, crash-prone, security hole riddled bloatware. The only thing hardware will fix is that the bugs, crashes and security compromises will appear quicker in faster hardware. Sorry, but your analysis doesn't hold water.
Jeez, refuting you people gets tiresome at times. . . "Jobs is going to loose the smart phone wars just like he lost the PC wars." - You mean like he lost the MP3 player wars. . . .ooops, he won that one. How about how he lost the digital music store wars. . . . dang, Apple won that one too! . . . .Maybe it's time you woke up and realized it is not the 80's and the war you are using as your reference may not have much relevance in the market you are discussing? There have always been multiple manufacturers, multiple OS versions, multiple form factors in the cell market and I don't see that changing, nor do I see anyone owning it all.
"My phone has a better . . ."
- 5 words in and I can already see YOU JUST DON'T GET IT! The iPhone's popularity has nothing to do with point by point feature list comparisons. If you think that is a valid argument in this market then you obviously have no idea why the iPhone is popular to the average consumer.
"If he doesn't get on other cell providers this year, it is game, set, match. "
- Really? Care to put a firm timetable on your prediction? Maybe wager some money? Don't bet anything you're not prepared to lose. As one person on here has pointed out, I'm not too worried about the doom and gloom prognosticators, Apple has been about to die for 30+ years not and not only are they not dead, they are stronger than ever.
"his 2-6% being users obsessed with devices they believe to shiny beautiful and magical."
- I'm sure this ridiculous statement allows you to sleep at night, but the blatant truth is that is not reality. It goes back to my previous point, YOU DON'T GET IT. . . . Which is fine, you don't understand the market appeals of the iPhone then you aren't the target demographic, but in your attempt to explain away your own ignorance don't be a simplistic fool and something so ridiculously stupid.
Nice try, but security through obscurity has been debunked countless times.
Assuming, of course, that the number of bars between different models of phones is a useful measurement. I kind of doubt you can put much stock in this comparison because the metric for showing how many bars on a particular manufacturer's phone probably differs enough to make this measurement irrelevant.
Problem solved!
Looked and can't find it. Can you provide a link?
You can trust it more? Seriously? That's your highbrow intellectual response? So you can trust it 39% versus only trusting another app 35%? What exactly does that offer me? You can either trust it 100% (the very definition of the word trust I might add) or you don't trust it completely. The decision IS binary.
"Astroturfers love to push this dishonest nonsense. Again pushing the false dichotomy. And pretending that open source doesn't give the entire world, billions of people, access for review. . . . Open source means any number of groups can review it"
Blind open source advocates love to push this dishonest nonsense. Open doesn't mean better. It doesn't mean safe. It only means open. You can't honestly take anything more out of it than that.
Aren't you being a bit hypocritical in your post? "freedom of choice" only means freedom to choose the way YOU think they should build their OS/phone/App Store. Is there any room in your world of "freedom" for people who want a consistent, predictable, non-technical, safe consumer phone experience with no hacker-fest options built in? It never ceases to amaze me that the people who espouse freedom in this Apple/iPhone argument don't really believe in freedom at all, only the type of freedom they want you to have.
Real freedom is the way it is now. You are free to choose the iPhone and it's business model, or you can choose something else. Quit trying to shove your freedom down everyone else's throat.
Really? Do you really believe that they are holding back the dogs because they are trying to achieve sainthood? Come on. . ..
Bring on more Apple stories, I'm not a blind hater like noonc!
You can get it towed maybe, but you sure as hell can't get the title transferred to you! What kind of crap are you making up
"Paul Thurrott, the prolific technology analyst and Windows expert,"
Prolific just means he spouts a lot of hot air, not that he is ever accurate. He's a known paid shill for MS and as your post said, he has a long history of hyperbolic arguments that turn out to be incorrect. This will be just added to the final tally of lies he's spouted.
It's a good job if you can get it I guess, but making a living lying your ass off has got to eat a man up inside!
How does using or not using Flash lock anyone into the app store? If you don't jailbreak then you are using the App Store. If you do jailbreak then you can put your Flash compiled junk on your iPhone in addition to using the App Store (if you choose). NOTHING has changed.
The whole idea that people are more "locked" in by Apple now is utter BS!
Can you explain what it is that Apple is "locking" you into? . . . . HTML 5? . . . . . Those open standard using bastards!!!
I thought the same thing when I read the summary. It wasn't hard to see which side of the debate that goon was on, was it?
Here's my attempt. . .
(i)-(v) All are partially false, conceited, grandiose claims by scientists who don't have the knowledge to understand the complex interactions on our planet.
There, done. I've provided just as much proof for my claim as you provided for yours. Look like I can grandstand too!!
That reasoning is so full of crap it borders on the ridiculous. Suppose I have a product that I want to sell, one that I made in my own manufacturing process, and I want it to be in Walmart, Target, etc. but they won't put it in their store. They find that the product's shoddy construction will reflect poorly on their stores and their corporate image if they put this product in their stores. Would you be upset then, would any of the Flash whiners be upset at that? No, they wouldn't. It's the same thing, except you've got this sense of entitlement about where you want your apps sold. You think it is your right to sell them anywhere you want. Unfortunately Apple has a image and an ecosystem to protect and nurture and including your crappy, Flash cross-compiled piece of crap of software is going to potentially hurt their reputation because when YOUR app fails or performs poorly, Apple will be the one blamed.
Sorry, your argument is BS. Your comparison to the MS antitrust case is simplistic and incorrect.
Shut up already and don't click on the link if you don't like it.
"you can get productive work done on a Mac/PC but not on an iPad"
"What Apple has done is re-invent the portable telly"
"Apple has made. . . a nice toy"
Are these the lies you tell yourself so you can sleep at night. Everyone of those is such utter bullshit. I can get plenty of productive work done on an iPad. If you hate Apple or the iPad then just say it and quit wasting our time. Posting this stupidity just makes us wade through more false prose to come to the conclusion that the author (you) is just a hater.
So you admit you were wrong and that Apple understands what consumers want better than you? How big of you.
You really ought to look up the word monopoly because you're using it wrong. And how is Apple worse?
Just say you hate them and leave it at that. At least I can respect your honesty with that post.
Maybe you should understand the point of his post before flaming him? He wasn't reliving the OS wars. He was making the point that OS support of multi-tasking and chip support of multitasking are apples and oranges.
Funny how all the sycophants who whine about freedom and Apple's "control freak" nature are noticeably absent on this story.