A simplistic argument at best. You wouldn't be singing this tune if you had invented the iPhone or iPad, and essentially created two new markets with your unique design and then had tons of companies immediately start their photocopiers and try and blatantly rip you off by offering the same thing. Yes, I'm obviously an Apple fan, I am one of those 90% of satisfied customers. Apple is far from perfect, I do think they need to open up some aspects of their products to more flexibility, but they and they alone created these two markets and only a blind fool would think that these other companies are doing anything more than building off of blatant initial copies of Apple's work.
Hey, the Riddler has a question for you Batman. . . What is more blind, crazy, virulent and myopic than an Apple Fan? . . . . . Answer: An Android Fanboy!!
I saw it and came to the same conclusion. Since they're freely available you can look it up and read it for yourself just like I did. No, I'm not going to give you a page reference because you have no intention of changing your mind anyway, so it's a waste of my time.
Those who you agree with are climatologists. Those who you disagree with are "deniers".
This is one of the reasons people don't take this topic very seriously. It's a borderline cult mentality and if someone doesn't accept your opinion on climate change, or even asks a simple question, then you and your supposedly rational cohorts instantly begin to mercilessly attack them. Beware of any discipline where you are shouted down for asking questions or disagreeing.
Wow, you have really stuck your head in the sand. First of all the factual errors in your post, the iPhone did NOT track users. That is a fact and once the simple minded folks got past the FUD they should be able to see that. Second, for you to think this was an accident is beyond stupid. You have to code specifically FOR this scenario, it just doesn't happen accidentally. The iPhone had a cell tower database that was unencrypted and a but too large, both could be easily seen as accidents. Google IS invading people's privacy, this is just one more step in their weird decision making and for you to give them a free pass is unbelievable.
With this kind of record or respecting people's privacy I seriously have to question fandroids who rip on Apple. I had high hopes for Google but I don't trust them one bit. "Accident"? I don't think that accidentally happens, it was planned and they just got busted.
You might want to revisit your numbers and see how healthy Dell is nowadays. It's a sinking ship.
And spare me your fanboi rhetoric about how OS X being better than Win 7 is a pile of steaming BS. And spare me your fanboi rhetoric about how you prefer the Win 7 UI or Ubuntu. That's a pile of steaming BS too!
$189 million over 4 years? That's a far cry from the 30% profit my doom and gloom was espousing. Hence the term "near" break even levels. While that seems like a ton of money to most people, it is not the cash cow the haters make it out to be. The App store generates some income, but it's main purpose is being part of the ecosystem that sells the hardware.
Aside from the fact that your assertion is false that every article claims every apple product is running at break even levels, let's look at your next stupid statement, that you "don't care what your citation states". Why bother to discuss the topic with you if you insist on staying on your mountain of ignorance?
I wish there was a filter where I could automatically block anyone who says Apple has a monopoly on (itunes, iphone, ipad, app store, etc.). It would be great to automatically filter out those posters who are too stupid to understand what a monopoly is, let alone make an intelligent comment.
While I think this policy is going to end up shooting Apple in the foot, your analogy does not fit. If Apple pulled Google apps from the App Store then it would be like Google pulling Apple from search results. The analogy you provided was a bit apples to oranges (pardon the pun).
iOS doomed to failure? I don't see that at all and so far there is no indication that is going to happen.
Android becoming the Windows of the smartphone world? If that's a badge of honor to you then have at it, but essentially that means buggy, full of security holes, has to give it away to get into new markets (aka can't compete on the strength of the product) and everyone hates them. Actually you may be on the money. The first 3 appear to have happened and the 4th will happen soon enough.
I think you've lost your grip on reality if you think the phone or tablet markets are going to play out like personal computers. Different markets, different circumstances, and a vastly different Apple competing. Will Apple be number 1, I don't know and don't care. It's not necessary for them to be number 1 to be a great choice, make customers happy and be a successful business. Do I think Android is going to dominate? I don't know, who will Google copy from? I don't see them as a particularly innovative company. More like they copy a competitor, then give it away for free to try and take over the market, and then. . ..what?
I guess the first step in getting licensing is suing the bastards to bring them to the table. If they did steal iOS IP then they should pay or be shut down.
You probably should have been clearer, you should have said "I'm going to define a real computer as one that does something differently than an Apple computer because I hate Apple".
Thankfully you were here to set the record straight. I was under the impression that Apple was doing very well, outpacing the PC industry in growth, leading in customer satisfaction surveys, watched and emulated by other vendors in the same markets, I bought into it all, the headlines, the great products, the resurgence of Apple over the last 5 years, etc. Now that you've pointed out that Apple is on it's deathbed and all of this has been a ruse I can throw away my 3 macs, 2 iphones, 2 ipads, and 4 ipods, shut down my video production business which uses Final Cut Studio, and tell all my family who've bought Apple computers and love them, to throw out theirs too. Thanks so much, I don't know how you are the only one to know the truth, you must have been given a vision by God.
I think what the poster was referring to, and you obviously missed, was how we are subjected to this nonsense that the Android platform is inherently open because you can get any app from anywhere because it's all so "open" (yes, I get the difference between app and OS). As it turns out open isn't necessarily better, it's just open, and that comes with its own drawbacks.
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Now that made me laugh! I think I may have single handedly blown this hope out of the water!
A simplistic argument at best. You wouldn't be singing this tune if you had invented the iPhone or iPad, and essentially created two new markets with your unique design and then had tons of companies immediately start their photocopiers and try and blatantly rip you off by offering the same thing. Yes, I'm obviously an Apple fan, I am one of those 90% of satisfied customers. Apple is far from perfect, I do think they need to open up some aspects of their products to more flexibility, but they and they alone created these two markets and only a blind fool would think that these other companies are doing anything more than building off of blatant initial copies of Apple's work.
Ha! Very astute analysis.
Hey, the Riddler has a question for you Batman. . . What is more blind, crazy, virulent and myopic than an Apple Fan? . . . . . Answer: An Android Fanboy!!
Listening to them whine is the ultimate in irony.
WTFE!! I don't believe an ounce of the "poor little oil company" line in this story. Sell that crappy story to someone else because I'm not buying it.
I saw it and came to the same conclusion. Since they're freely available you can look it up and read it for yourself just like I did. No, I'm not going to give you a page reference because you have no intention of changing your mind anyway, so it's a waste of my time.
Those who you agree with are climatologists. Those who you disagree with are "deniers".
This is one of the reasons people don't take this topic very seriously. It's a borderline cult mentality and if someone doesn't accept your opinion on climate change, or even asks a simple question, then you and your supposedly rational cohorts instantly begin to mercilessly attack them. Beware of any discipline where you are shouted down for asking questions or disagreeing.
Hey dumbass, he DID explain why the groupthink explanation does not apply. Go back and re-read the post you just replied to.
I guess he was right, you're too busy being full of yourself and making strawman arguments to have a meaningful discussion.
Wake up douchebag, this is real news.
Got a laugh out of that one!
Wow, you have really stuck your head in the sand. First of all the factual errors in your post, the iPhone did NOT track users. That is a fact and once the simple minded folks got past the FUD they should be able to see that. Second, for you to think this was an accident is beyond stupid. You have to code specifically FOR this scenario, it just doesn't happen accidentally. The iPhone had a cell tower database that was unencrypted and a but too large, both could be easily seen as accidents. Google IS invading people's privacy, this is just one more step in their weird decision making and for you to give them a free pass is unbelievable.
With this kind of record or respecting people's privacy I seriously have to question fandroids who rip on Apple. I had high hopes for Google but I don't trust them one bit. "Accident"? I don't think that accidentally happens, it was planned and they just got busted.
You might want to revisit your numbers and see how healthy Dell is nowadays. It's a sinking ship.
And spare me your fanboi rhetoric about how OS X being better than Win 7 is a pile of steaming BS. And spare me your fanboi rhetoric about how you prefer the Win 7 UI or Ubuntu. That's a pile of steaming BS too!
$189 million over 4 years? That's a far cry from the 30% profit my doom and gloom was espousing. Hence the term "near" break even levels. While that seems like a ton of money to most people, it is not the cash cow the haters make it out to be. The App store generates some income, but it's main purpose is being part of the ecosystem that sells the hardware.
Aside from the fact that your assertion is false that every article claims every apple product is running at break even levels, let's look at your next stupid statement, that you "don't care what your citation states". Why bother to discuss the topic with you if you insist on staying on your mountain of ignorance?
I wish there was a filter where I could automatically block anyone who says Apple has a monopoly on (itunes, iphone, ipad, app store, etc.). It would be great to automatically filter out those posters who are too stupid to understand what a monopoly is, let alone make an intelligent comment.
As it turns out Google already does this with Adwords. But of course it's okay when Google sends business your way and takes a cut, right?
While I think this policy is going to end up shooting Apple in the foot, your analogy does not fit. If Apple pulled Google apps from the App Store then it would be like Google pulling Apple from search results. The analogy you provided was a bit apples to oranges (pardon the pun).
iOS doomed to failure? I don't see that at all and so far there is no indication that is going to happen.
Android becoming the Windows of the smartphone world? If that's a badge of honor to you then have at it, but essentially that means buggy, full of security holes, has to give it away to get into new markets (aka can't compete on the strength of the product) and everyone hates them. Actually you may be on the money. The first 3 appear to have happened and the 4th will happen soon enough.
I think you've lost your grip on reality if you think the phone or tablet markets are going to play out like personal computers. Different markets, different circumstances, and a vastly different Apple competing. Will Apple be number 1, I don't know and don't care. It's not necessary for them to be number 1 to be a great choice, make customers happy and be a successful business. Do I think Android is going to dominate? I don't know, who will Google copy from? I don't see them as a particularly innovative company. More like they copy a competitor, then give it away for free to try and take over the market, and then. . . .what?
I guess the first step in getting licensing is suing the bastards to bring them to the table. If they did steal iOS IP then they should pay or be shut down.
Admitting you have a problem is the first step in healing. . . .
You probably should have been clearer, you should have said "I'm going to define a real computer as one that does something differently than an Apple computer because I hate Apple".
Thankfully you were here to set the record straight. I was under the impression that Apple was doing very well, outpacing the PC industry in growth, leading in customer satisfaction surveys, watched and emulated by other vendors in the same markets, I bought into it all, the headlines, the great products, the resurgence of Apple over the last 5 years, etc. Now that you've pointed out that Apple is on it's deathbed and all of this has been a ruse I can throw away my 3 macs, 2 iphones, 2 ipads, and 4 ipods, shut down my video production business which uses Final Cut Studio, and tell all my family who've bought Apple computers and love them, to throw out theirs too. Thanks so much, I don't know how you are the only one to know the truth, you must have been given a vision by God.
You do understand that a phone is not a Mac, right?
I think what the poster was referring to, and you obviously missed, was how we are subjected to this nonsense that the Android platform is inherently open because you can get any app from anywhere because it's all so "open" (yes, I get the difference between app and OS). As it turns out open isn't necessarily better, it's just open, and that comes with its own drawbacks.