Complaining that someone on the sidewalk is using your open AP is like complaining that someone on the sidewalk is watching your TV... when you left it facing the front window, and didn't close the blinds. If you don't want people to watch your TV, you're negligent if you don't realize it's facing that window or that the blinds can be closed.
Similarly, if you don't want people using your AP, you're negligent if you don't realize it's advertising its existence or that you can turn on encryption. Ignorance is not an excuse. A reasonable person would realize that if he can connect his own laptop to his wireless network simply by turning it on, anyone else will also be able to connect to it the same way.
The "law" of gravity tells you that if you drop an object on Earth, it'll accelerate toward the ground at 9.8 m/s^2.
A theory of gravity tells you why that happens. Maybe it's because mass curves spacetime, or because mass emits gravitons which then impart a reverse force when they strike another mass, or because the Invisible Pink Unicorn is magically pushing everything together all the time. A good theory will agree with the common observations of gravity we see every day (i.e. the law), but will also make predictions about less common cases that can be tested experimentally.
How are we suppose to reward people for creating new material?
The same way you reward someone for designing a house or cutting your hair. You pay him for his labor, and then he doesn't have to worry about what you're going to do with the song he wrote (or the house he designed, or the stylish 'do he gave you) because his job is done.
If he asks more than you're willing to pay on your own, then you get your friends together, tell them about what a great artist he is, and ask them to chip in.
For us to reward people for creating new material, we'd have to actually pay the band/record producers -before- they even made the album. I suppose that could work though--as you pay your 20 bucks and reserve a CD. Actually, that might work as the company would be able to collect all the money, and -then- release the album.
Exactly, and if there are any concerns that the band might take the money and run without producing anything, that's what escrow is for.
No longer would artists have to worry that something they spent months or years creating won't sell. Instead of working for free to create something and then trying to sell it, they'll know ahead of time how much demand there is for it.
Then again, I bet you'd wait for it to be on the internet so you could just pirate it.
First off, it wouldn't be considered piracy, since it would be released for anyone to use as they see fit.
Second, if they can't convince me their work is worth paying for, that's their problem. If their first album comes out and I'm blown away by it, I'll chip in for the second one. Like many (if not most) people who download stuff from P2P, I have no problem paying for something if I know it's going to be good, and I've bought many albums purely because of hearing the band's other work via P2P.
This isn't about trying to benefit society or some other dumb-clucky thing; this isn't even about freedom from corporate america. This is about selfishness, greed, and people thinking the world owes them something.
You're right.. but not in the way you think. What you're describing is the motivation of those who support copyright. They think the world owes them something--not just money, but control and deference--because they wrote a song, or a book, or drew a picture. "You can't read it unless you do what I want, and neither can your friends! It's MINE! I demand the right to tell everyone what they can do with those words!"
They're too greedy and selfish to actually keep working; they want to make something once and then milk profit out of it for decades to come, by selling copies long after the real creative work has already been done. They think there's something magical about their job that entitles them to special treatment, when really they're just using their skills to perform a service like millions of other people.
You should also remember that most people know the difference between copying and stealing. That's why so many people are willing to download from P2P networks even though they wouldn't shoplift.
Not entirely unnecessary. Inline search often has trouble finding search terms that are in plain sight.. maybe it doesn't look inside iframes or something.
Why do so many people think it is right to be able to copy movies and music for free?
"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density at any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation. Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property." - Thomas Jefferson
So you've heard it from Jefferson, but now let me ask you something. Suppose we lived in a world where Star Trek-style replicators were as easy to come by as computers are now. Anyone who wanted to could point their replicator gun at a car, a house, an air conditioner, a steak, or anything else they wanted, and instantly have a free copy without taking anything away from the person who owned the original.
Such a device could end poverty and hunger as we know it. No one would have to live in a run-down apartment, eating top ramen and setting a fan next to an ice chest to try to stay cool; they could have a fine home, fancy meals, and all the modern amenities simply by pressing a button.
Now, this would naturally reduce demand for manufacturing and construction. Some people might find themselves out of work and try to get this device banned. But wouldn't the benefit to society be worth keeping it? In fact, wouldn't it be immoral to deny everyone the standard of living this technology would give them, just so a few people could keep making a buck the way they always have instead of changing with the times?
Free sharing of copyrighted works, similarly, might reduce demand. But I believe the benefit of giving everyone access to decades' worth of material would greatly outweigh the cost, and furthermore, it would allow us to concentrate on rewarding people for creating new material in the first place instead of just for producing copies.
By modifying the seem (compare to modifying the registry), you still haven't modified the device from its manfacturer specifications.
I guess we'll just have to wait for Verizon to cancel some litigious hacker's service to see exactly what the courts will consider "manufacturer's specifications".
CDMA phones can also be locked to prevent them from being used on another carrier's network... it's just that Verizon doesn't do that. The 6-digit security code controls access to the programming menus (and over-the-air programming); it's different from the user lock code that just keeps the phone from being used by strangers.
America's Choice plans can be set up for NationalAccess MOU (minutes of use), which is billed just like a phone call. This might already be set up on your account, especially if your phone uses 1x for mobile web or Get It Now. If not, you can get customer service to add it, although it's not advertised and theoretically may stop being offered at some point.
There are also NationalAccess monthly plans, separate from the voice plans, if you want to pay for a MB allowance or unlimited use. These are described on the business section of their web site.
Windows let light out as well as in, and any reasonable person knows this. It's your responsibility to get one-way glass if you don't want people to be able to look through your front windows. The police don't need a warrant to look at things that are in plain sight; why should a civilian get in trouble for doing the same?
One of the few soapboxes I really stand on all the time is cell phones and fscking CDMA carriers' lock down on phones. [...] If I get one free from the cell company, I unlock it ASAP.
Well, even though they do disable some features for dumb marketing reasons, you may be pleased to know that Verizon doesn't lock their phones. The security code has been the default 000000 on every phone I've gotten from them, whether I paid or not.
I'm not limited by whatever selection Verizon or Sprint offers. I don't have to tell them which phone I'm using or pay them for ringtones.
Verizon's network will allow you to activate phones that Verizon doesn't sell, and you can transfer all the ringtones you want for free via data cable (or for the price of a picture message via email).
I would argue that ignoring the fact that your wireless network is unsecured is as negligent as ignoring the fact that your TV is facing a public sidewalk, so the front window is a more apt analogy than the rear window. (Of course, if there's a public alley behind your house, you don't have any expectation of privacy through a rear window either.)
The router's range is typically advertised on the box it came in, and if your laptop connects to it automatically (or at least with no special setup required), you should realize that everyone else's laptop will too.
Agreed. I don't understand a lot of Verizon customers. Verizon's only major advantage is a coverage area that's a little better than most carriers
There are a couple other advantages. First is high speed data - when my cable modem goes out, or when I'm out someplace where there's no WiFi, I can get online at a decent speed with 1xRTT (faster than landline dialup). If I lived in a bigger city, and had the money to spend on it, I could get online at DSL speeds with 1xEV-DO.
Second is unlimited "in network" calling. This may be less of an advantage for you, but I know several other Verizon customers, and I can talk to them for free.
and their phone prices are outrageous compared to the other carriers. Who the hell goes for the two year agreement just to get the crappiest phone for $30?
If you've already been a customer for 2 years and you renew your contract, you get an extra $100 off the regular subsidized price of a new phone (under a promotion called New Every Two). That's how I got a free VX7000.
And hey, if you manage to get the phone you want somewhere else for less, you can probably use it on Verizon anyway. Unlike Sprint PCS, they don't have a policy to only activate phones they sold themselves.
Finally, the crappiest phone is $20 (for new 2-year contracts), not $30, at least in my market.;)
But if you leave your TV facing the front window, and you don't close the blinds, you shouldn't be surprised when people on the sidewalk look through your window and watch the TV you're paying for.
An open wireless network is hardly a "back door" - it advertises its existence to the world, and it blankets an entire area. Walking in through a back door means targeting a specific house and looking for a way in, but it may not even be possible for the average person to figure out which house is hosting a particular wireless network.
WiFi isn't designed to work while you're in motion, and handoffs between access points aren't nearly as seamless as handoffs from one cell tower to the next. You might be able to use such a phone while you're standing in one place, but forget about keeping a call connected while you're moving in a a car, bus, or train.
No? Read this part of the Verizon customer agreement you linked to:
Our Rights To Limit Or End Service Or This Agreement You agree not to resell our service to someone else without our prior written permission. You also agree your wireless phone won't be used for any other purpose that isn't allowed by this agreement or that's illegal. WE CAN, WITHOUT NOTICE, LIMIT, SUSPEND, OR END YOUR SERVICE OR ANY AGREEMENT WITH YOU FOR THIS OR ANY OTHER GOOD CAUSE, including, but not limited to: [...] (i) modifying your wireless phone from its manufacturer's specifications
That could easily be applied to installing modified firmware, don't you think?
They're controlled by software on WiFi devices too. It's not like the device gets recertified every time Linksys releases a new firmware on their routers; (they could very easily modify their firmware to violate FCC regulations).
You're right, but WiFi operates in a different frequency range, one that's used by various other consumer devices (like cordless phones) and I suspect less tightly regulated than the 800 and 1900 MHz bands reserved for cell phones. I don't know the specific details of the regulation, but it doesn't sound like you do either.
I switched from Verizon to T-Mobile and have been very happy with them except for lack of coverage in some places. I can dial up my favorite ISP with my bluetooth phone for no extra fee
You can do this with Verizon too... as long as you're on an America's Choice plan, and your favorite ISP is Verizon.;)
There's no extra fee, but it does use your minutes just like a regular phone call (so it's free between 9 PM and 6 AM, and all day Saturday, Sunday, and many holidays). Just connect the phone to your computer and make a dialup connection with the following info:
Presto, you're online. You may want to download the Venturi client, which will do some compression to make web browsing faster, but it's not required. As an added bonus, since you're using Verizon's 1xRTT network (packet data) instead of a regular circuit data connection, you'll probably get speeds of 60-80 kbps or higher, instead of the 14k or so you'd otherwise get with a cellular data call. (If you're outside the 1x coverage area, you can still connect at a slower speed, but the settings are different.)
Bullshit - they *sold* him the phone. They didn't license it to him, they *sold* it. You buy the phone, and license the service.
Yes... but when he signed the contract to get that service, he may have agreed not to modify his phone.
Also, FCC regulations may prohibit him from modifying it - the phone has to be certified not to transmit at unacceptable power levels or on the wrong frequencies, and those functions are controlled by software. Even a minor firmware change like this may require recertification, AFAIK.
As for wallpaper, it's not bad if you've got a data cable (or built-in IR (like I've got) or Bluetooth), because it's free (unless the bastards at your phone company disabled it. Shenanigans like that are why I won't look at Verizon
Verizon doesn't disable that feature, at least not on all phones. The LG VX7000 I have now, and the LG VX4400 I had before it, can both transfer ringtones and wallpapers over the data cable for free. You don't even need to buy Verizon's cable; you can get one for $10 at Radio Shack or on eBay.
Unfortunately, Verizon Wireless cripples their phones so that you have to use their fee-based service in order to add new ringtones, or to transfer the pictures you take with the camera.
This might be true for a few specific phones, but not in general.
I recently got an LG VX7000, which is a camera/video phone. Verizon naturally wants me to use their services to purchase ringtones and wallpapers and to retrieve the photos and videos I capture, but with BitPim and a simple USB cable ($10 on eBay), I can transfer all the pictures, ringers, and videos I want to and from the phone. Verizon even sells a cable as part of their Mobile Office kit.
Now, if only I could develop my own BREW applications...
There is no evidence that GM foods "do" anything to the animals that consume them (including humans), nor any reason to think they would.
Many, if not most, of the foods we have today have already been genetically modified in a slightly different sense: ears of corn weren't nearly this big a few hundred years ago, for example, but you don't see anyone worrying about what the effects of today's monster corn might be on cows and milk.
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Those "normal people" are misinformed, then.
Complaining that someone on the sidewalk is using your open AP is like complaining that someone on the sidewalk is watching your TV... when you left it facing the front window, and didn't close the blinds. If you don't want people to watch your TV, you're negligent if you don't realize it's facing that window or that the blinds can be closed.
Similarly, if you don't want people using your AP, you're negligent if you don't realize it's advertising its existence or that you can turn on encryption. Ignorance is not an excuse. A reasonable person would realize that if he can connect his own laptop to his wireless network simply by turning it on, anyone else will also be able to connect to it the same way.
OTOH, if she approaches you, and your response is to ask for photos of her relatives, you should still expect to get slapped.
The "law" of gravity tells you that if you drop an object on Earth, it'll accelerate toward the ground at 9.8 m/s^2.
A theory of gravity tells you why that happens. Maybe it's because mass curves spacetime, or because mass emits gravitons which then impart a reverse force when they strike another mass, or because the Invisible Pink Unicorn is magically pushing everything together all the time. A good theory will agree with the common observations of gravity we see every day (i.e. the law), but will also make predictions about less common cases that can be tested experimentally.
How are we suppose to reward people for creating new material?
The same way you reward someone for designing a house or cutting your hair. You pay him for his labor, and then he doesn't have to worry about what you're going to do with the song he wrote (or the house he designed, or the stylish 'do he gave you) because his job is done.
If he asks more than you're willing to pay on your own, then you get your friends together, tell them about what a great artist he is, and ask them to chip in.
For us to reward people for creating new material, we'd have to actually pay the band/record producers -before- they even made the album. I suppose that could work though--as you pay your 20 bucks and reserve a CD. Actually, that might work as the company would be able to collect all the money, and -then- release the album.
Exactly, and if there are any concerns that the band might take the money and run without producing anything, that's what escrow is for.
No longer would artists have to worry that something they spent months or years creating won't sell. Instead of working for free to create something and then trying to sell it, they'll know ahead of time how much demand there is for it.
Then again, I bet you'd wait for it to be on the internet so you could just pirate it.
First off, it wouldn't be considered piracy, since it would be released for anyone to use as they see fit.
Second, if they can't convince me their work is worth paying for, that's their problem. If their first album comes out and I'm blown away by it, I'll chip in for the second one. Like many (if not most) people who download stuff from P2P, I have no problem paying for something if I know it's going to be good, and I've bought many albums purely because of hearing the band's other work via P2P.
This isn't about trying to benefit society or some other dumb-clucky thing; this isn't even about freedom from corporate america. This is about selfishness, greed, and people thinking the world owes them something.
You're right.. but not in the way you think. What you're describing is the motivation of those who support copyright. They think the world owes them something--not just money, but control and deference--because they wrote a song, or a book, or drew a picture. "You can't read it unless you do what I want, and neither can your friends! It's MINE! I demand the right to tell everyone what they can do with those words!"
They're too greedy and selfish to actually keep working; they want to make something once and then milk profit out of it for decades to come, by selling copies long after the real creative work has already been done. They think there's something magical about their job that entitles them to special treatment, when really they're just using their skills to perform a service like millions of other people.
Ah yes, that must be why music, art, and theater never existed until the first copyright law was passed.
You should also remember that most people know the difference between copying and stealing. That's why so many people are willing to download from P2P networks even though they wouldn't shoplift.
Not entirely unnecessary. Inline search often has trouble finding search terms that are in plain sight.. maybe it doesn't look inside iframes or something.
Why do so many people think it is right to be able to copy movies and music for free?
"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density at any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation. Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property." - Thomas Jefferson
So you've heard it from Jefferson, but now let me ask you something. Suppose we lived in a world where Star Trek-style replicators were as easy to come by as computers are now. Anyone who wanted to could point their replicator gun at a car, a house, an air conditioner, a steak, or anything else they wanted, and instantly have a free copy without taking anything away from the person who owned the original.
Such a device could end poverty and hunger as we know it. No one would have to live in a run-down apartment, eating top ramen and setting a fan next to an ice chest to try to stay cool; they could have a fine home, fancy meals, and all the modern amenities simply by pressing a button.
Now, this would naturally reduce demand for manufacturing and construction. Some people might find themselves out of work and try to get this device banned. But wouldn't the benefit to society be worth keeping it? In fact, wouldn't it be immoral to deny everyone the standard of living this technology would give them, just so a few people could keep making a buck the way they always have instead of changing with the times?
Free sharing of copyrighted works, similarly, might reduce demand. But I believe the benefit of giving everyone access to decades' worth of material would greatly outweigh the cost, and furthermore, it would allow us to concentrate on rewarding people for creating new material in the first place instead of just for producing copies.
By modifying the seem (compare to modifying the registry), you still haven't modified the device from its manfacturer specifications.
I guess we'll just have to wait for Verizon to cancel some litigious hacker's service to see exactly what the courts will consider "manufacturer's specifications".
CDMA phones can also be locked to prevent them from being used on another carrier's network... it's just that Verizon doesn't do that. The 6-digit security code controls access to the programming menus (and over-the-air programming); it's different from the user lock code that just keeps the phone from being used by strangers.
America's Choice plans can be set up for NationalAccess MOU (minutes of use), which is billed just like a phone call. This might already be set up on your account, especially if your phone uses 1x for mobile web or Get It Now. If not, you can get customer service to add it, although it's not advertised and theoretically may stop being offered at some point.
There are also NationalAccess monthly plans, separate from the voice plans, if you want to pay for a MB allowance or unlimited use. These are described on the business section of their web site.
Windows let light out as well as in, and any reasonable person knows this. It's your responsibility to get one-way glass if you don't want people to be able to look through your front windows. The police don't need a warrant to look at things that are in plain sight; why should a civilian get in trouble for doing the same?
One of the few soapboxes I really stand on all the time is cell phones and fscking CDMA carriers' lock down on phones. [...] If I get one free from the cell company, I unlock it ASAP.
Well, even though they do disable some features for dumb marketing reasons, you may be pleased to know that Verizon doesn't lock their phones. The security code has been the default 000000 on every phone I've gotten from them, whether I paid or not.
I'm not limited by whatever selection Verizon or Sprint offers. I don't have to tell them which phone I'm using or pay them for ringtones.
Verizon's network will allow you to activate phones that Verizon doesn't sell, and you can transfer all the ringtones you want for free via data cable (or for the price of a picture message via email).
I would argue that ignoring the fact that your wireless network is unsecured is as negligent as ignoring the fact that your TV is facing a public sidewalk, so the front window is a more apt analogy than the rear window. (Of course, if there's a public alley behind your house, you don't have any expectation of privacy through a rear window either.)
The router's range is typically advertised on the box it came in, and if your laptop connects to it automatically (or at least with no special setup required), you should realize that everyone else's laptop will too.
I think New Every Two has been around for at least six years. I used it for my new phone, and the one before that, and IIRC the one before that.
Verizon doesn't modify the firmware. The phone manufacturer makes separate firmware versions according to each carrier's requirements.
Agreed. I don't understand a lot of Verizon customers. Verizon's only major advantage is a coverage area that's a little better than most carriers
;)
There are a couple other advantages. First is high speed data - when my cable modem goes out, or when I'm out someplace where there's no WiFi, I can get online at a decent speed with 1xRTT (faster than landline dialup). If I lived in a bigger city, and had the money to spend on it, I could get online at DSL speeds with 1xEV-DO.
Second is unlimited "in network" calling. This may be less of an advantage for you, but I know several other Verizon customers, and I can talk to them for free.
and their phone prices are outrageous compared to the other carriers. Who the hell goes for the two year agreement just to get the crappiest phone for $30?
If you've already been a customer for 2 years and you renew your contract, you get an extra $100 off the regular subsidized price of a new phone (under a promotion called New Every Two). That's how I got a free VX7000.
And hey, if you manage to get the phone you want somewhere else for less, you can probably use it on Verizon anyway. Unlike Sprint PCS, they don't have a policy to only activate phones they sold themselves.
Finally, the crappiest phone is $20 (for new 2-year contracts), not $30, at least in my market.
But if you leave your TV facing the front window, and you don't close the blinds, you shouldn't be surprised when people on the sidewalk look through your window and watch the TV you're paying for.
An open wireless network is hardly a "back door" - it advertises its existence to the world, and it blankets an entire area. Walking in through a back door means targeting a specific house and looking for a way in, but it may not even be possible for the average person to figure out which house is hosting a particular wireless network.
WiFi isn't designed to work while you're in motion, and handoffs between access points aren't nearly as seamless as handoffs from one cell tower to the next. You might be able to use such a phone while you're standing in one place, but forget about keeping a call connected while you're moving in a a car, bus, or train.
No? Read this part of the Verizon customer agreement you linked to:
That could easily be applied to installing modified firmware, don't you think?
They're controlled by software on WiFi devices too. It's not like the device gets recertified every time Linksys releases a new firmware on their routers; (they could very easily modify their firmware to violate FCC regulations).
You're right, but WiFi operates in a different frequency range, one that's used by various other consumer devices (like cordless phones) and I suspect less tightly regulated than the 800 and 1900 MHz bands reserved for cell phones. I don't know the specific details of the regulation, but it doesn't sound like you do either.
I switched from Verizon to T-Mobile and have been very happy with them except for lack of coverage in some places. I can dial up my favorite ISP with my bluetooth phone for no extra fee
;)
You can do this with Verizon too... as long as you're on an America's Choice plan, and your favorite ISP is Verizon.
There's no extra fee, but it does use your minutes just like a regular phone call (so it's free between 9 PM and 6 AM, and all day Saturday, Sunday, and many holidays). Just connect the phone to your computer and make a dialup connection with the following info:
Number: #777 (spells PPP)
Username: <your 10 digit phone number>@vzw3g.com
Password: vzw
Presto, you're online. You may want to download the Venturi client, which will do some compression to make web browsing faster, but it's not required. As an added bonus, since you're using Verizon's 1xRTT network (packet data) instead of a regular circuit data connection, you'll probably get speeds of 60-80 kbps or higher, instead of the 14k or so you'd otherwise get with a cellular data call. (If you're outside the 1x coverage area, you can still connect at a slower speed, but the settings are different.)
Bullshit - they *sold* him the phone. They didn't license it to him, they *sold* it. You buy the phone, and license the service.
Yes... but when he signed the contract to get that service, he may have agreed not to modify his phone.
Also, FCC regulations may prohibit him from modifying it - the phone has to be certified not to transmit at unacceptable power levels or on the wrong frequencies, and those functions are controlled by software. Even a minor firmware change like this may require recertification, AFAIK.
As for wallpaper, it's not bad if you've got a data cable (or built-in IR (like I've got) or Bluetooth), because it's free (unless the bastards at your phone company disabled it. Shenanigans like that are why I won't look at Verizon
Verizon doesn't disable that feature, at least not on all phones. The LG VX7000 I have now, and the LG VX4400 I had before it, can both transfer ringtones and wallpapers over the data cable for free. You don't even need to buy Verizon's cable; you can get one for $10 at Radio Shack or on eBay.
Unfortunately, Verizon Wireless cripples their phones so that you have to use their fee-based service in order to add new ringtones, or to transfer the pictures you take with the camera.
This might be true for a few specific phones, but not in general.
I recently got an LG VX7000, which is a camera/video phone. Verizon naturally wants me to use their services to purchase ringtones and wallpapers and to retrieve the photos and videos I capture, but with BitPim and a simple USB cable ($10 on eBay), I can transfer all the pictures, ringers, and videos I want to and from the phone. Verizon even sells a cable as part of their Mobile Office kit.
Now, if only I could develop my own BREW applications...
There is no evidence that GM foods "do" anything to the animals that consume them (including humans), nor any reason to think they would.
Many, if not most, of the foods we have today have already been genetically modified in a slightly different sense: ears of corn weren't nearly this big a few hundred years ago, for example, but you don't see anyone worrying about what the effects of today's monster corn might be on cows and milk.