You are a complete idiot. You so want words to mean what you think they should mean rather than what they mean, that you fail to respond in any meaningful way to my arguments. You entire argument boils down to, "We're Doctors. We know
best. You can't possibly understand. Shit Happens!"
Since you don't think doctors should be held financially responsible for their actions and their should be no recourse in tort law for injured parties, then I think that people who are injured should be able to exact restitution from you in any way they themselves deem appropriate.
I would love to get a list of your patients and forward your diatribes here to them. I think it would be a wonderful eye-opener for them.
It was a "Routine" hysterectomy (their words, not mine) that presented with no complications. It was gonna be in and out with no problems. The only reason they were doing it was because my wife was having a lot of pain (for a number of years) during her cycles. She went to the surgeon originally because her doctor recommended Endometrial Ablation. The surgeon said that wasn't going to help. She had had a Tubal Ligation several years earlier after her last child. They said they needed to do the Hysterectomy because she had cysts (non-cancerous/non-life-threatening) on her Ovary. It was, they said, only going to continue to cause ever increasing pain and that this was the only alternative. It was routine though. No complications that would cause them to expect anything other than a routine, easy hysterectomy.
Now, it is obvious to me based on the responses from those who claim to be doctors and/or medical practioners, that they all believe that they should never be held culpable for anything. Their attitude can be summarized as "Shit Happens". This experience, coupled with the kind of responses to what I said, as well as what others are saying on this topic, has drastically changed my perception of the Medical Profession. It is obvious to me that most (I'm sure there are exceptions) practioners see themselves as some kind of infallible gods. They don't make mistakes! No, there are complications! Us mere mortals could never possibly understand the complexity of what they deal with. We should thank our lucky stars that they even lower themselves to the indiginity of actually attempting to address our health problems. We should bow down, kiss their feet, and worship their skillZ!
Again, thanks to all those who expressed concern. And for those other smart-asses, I only hope that you don't have to face this sort of thing and learn the hard way (as I have done) how unprofessional, and uncaring this system really is.
I, for one, will never again question the legitimacy of "All the Frivolous Lawsuits" that get filed!
Oh, and for those doctors that don't think their Malpractice Insurance should have to pay for someone's ongoing care when they make this kind of mistake, I say to you, since their is no other recourse, I recommend that anyone who has their family member or loved one killed or serioulsy injured, hunt you down and injure or kill you. After all, it's only fair!
What exactly did I play into? What am I saying that indicates I'm a child? Who is trying to have fun and who is making a serious argument? Come on and come see this faggot-pussy: 2807 Summit Road, Copley, Ohio 44321. Come visit me and we'll see who is the faggot pussy! Bring it on you little wimpy ass bitch! Come fuck me if you think you're such a badass. I'll rip you apart you fucking leech!
You are completely ignorant. How does someone "Choose to drive at a speed that they knew was unsafe for conditions if the believed they were traveling at a safe speed?"
Then you say, "This is why we have laws that regulate speed,..." Yeah, and we also have laws that regulate medical safety. So what the fuck is your goddamn point?
"Did I pass my driving test," you say. Did you pass your medical exam? What's the difference?
With your terrible example you are expected to know how to perform a medical procedure safely. Do you remeber that test you had to take before getting your license to practice medicine? You cannont "accidently" suture or cauterize an unrelated organ or system when operating on another.
I think you lack reading comprehension. Failing to take reasonable care is not the same thing as deliberate. You just proved my point. You so want to believe that a medical mistake is not negligence, that you will twist words to mean what you think they should mean rather than what they in fact mean. I feel like I'm arguing with Bill Clinton over what the meaning of the word "is" is.
Where is "Deliberate" or "On Purpose" in any of that? Now I see why health practioners object to lawsuits. They don't think they are negligent because they don't even know what the goddamn word means!
Syn: Careles; heedless; neglectful; regardless; thoughtless;
indifferent; inattentive; remiss.
[1913 Webster]
Negligence has nothing to do with deliberate.
Negligent Neg"li*gent, a. [F. n['e]gligent, L. negligens,p.
pr. of negligere. See Neglect.]
Apt to neglect; customarily neglectful; characterized by
negligence; careless; heedless; culpably careless; showing
lack of attention; as, disposed in negligent order. "Be thou
negligent of fame." --Swift.
[1913 Webster]
This implies two things, 1. you knew that your chose speed was not sufficient for the conditions and 2. you still chose to drive at that speed.
No, it implies no such thing. I could believe I was driving at a safe speed all I want, but, the fact that I wrecked means I was driving too fast for conditions. You are the one mixing things up. You insist that a driver who makes a mistake is Negligent, but, a health practioner who makes a mistake merely needs to take responsibility. What do you even mean? You make no sense.
Instead, "snip, a bunch of rhetorical questions". What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Fuck You! You're not a good doctor, you're a piece of shit! You don't want to take responsibility for anything and you want everyone to kiss your ass because you know better and they are dumbasses. After all, you went to MEDICAL SCHOOL!
Noone can question you (with their silly Rhetoric)? No, you are beyond reproach and above criticism. Fuck You!
Just where the fuck did this idea come from? Who the fuck is selling this? Who the fuck is buying it?
Everyone wants to say this until they are the victim of someone else's mistake. If I drive too fast for conditions and I slide on the ice and wreck my car into your livingroom and kill your children, then I shouldn't be blamed. It was just a mistake. We should just work on better protocols to help keep me from doing this in the future. Maybe we can make the cars have ice sensors (temperature/humidity etc) that automagically govern the speed to a much lower value than otherwise. No need to blame me. After all, I was just driving in what seemed like a safe manner.
You speak up. They dismiss you explaining that that is not the way it is done. Who are you to argue. They're the doctor. Oh, but, don't hold them responsible if something goes wrong. After all, what they do is so completely, absolutely complicated that mistakes will happen. So suck it up and die schmuck!
I am not advocating increased lawsuits, as the *vast majority* of them are groundless.
Says who? Citation Please?
What makes a lawsuite groundless? Because you say so? Because you feel that what you do is so difficult that you shouldn't be held responsible for mistakes? What is a legitimate lawsuit? Deliberate? Deliberate is criminal in my book. Accidental? When I get in a car Accident, say, I was going a little too fast for the conditions, like black ice on the road (maybe I was even doing the speed limit or less), and I lost control of my car and plow into an intersection and kill a pedestrian in the cross-walk. It was an accident. It wasn't deliberate. It was unforeseeable. Nevertheless, me and my insurance will be sued and I and/or my insurance will pay and rightfully so. Do you not agree? So, explain to me what makes the *vast majority* of medical lawsuits groundless. I'd really like to hear this one!
...they don't have to worry about being invaded and having their resources taken away because other countries do all the heavy lifting in keeping the peace throughout the world and then take nothing but crap about it from everyone else.
I have a very similar problem. Chronic issues with breathing and nasal irritaion and pain. Stomach irritation and pain. Nothing seems to help. I had severe Asthma as a kid, so was diagnosed. Used to be highly allergic to just about everything. Supposedly, I outgrew those allergies, but, really all I did was outgrow such a strong reaction to them that I'd need to be hospitalized and put on oxygen or die. Now, everything is just pain and struggle to breather, but, hey, I'm alive. I should be thankful, right? Doctors don't know anything to help me. I gave up. It's not really their fault, they just don't really know that much about these kinds of conditions period. It sucks. But, it's noones fault.
Wish I had some answers for you. Maybe, since you are so young, that soon they'll figure some of these issues out and you won't have to live for 40 years with this problem. Here's hoping.
People survive just fine with one arm? People survive just fine that are blind? People survive just fine who can't hear? People survive just fine with a permanent colostomy bag? People survive just fine with their tongue cut out? People survive just fine with one leg? People survive just fine with their face melted off with acid or burned off in fire? People survive just fine with their testicles mistakenly removed? People survive just fine with their dick cut off? People survive just fine without a bladder of any sorts?
You're welcome to accept any of these conditions any time you want jack-ass!
These "Highly Trained Morons" are working on killing my wife. She went in for a Hysterectomy and ended up with her ureter sutured or cauterized shut resulting in her kidney backing up and shutting down. Now she has a tube out her back to keep her kidney alive and in a few weeks they'll go in an cut her ureter above the blockage and reattach it to her bladder. All for the low, low, price of $$$$$$$$$$$$. Meanwhile, the nursing staff and E/R staff have done everything in their power to see how much additional damage they can do. No one has any common sense or care that I can see. I'm fit to be tied!
Evil Guy: You will now wire 1 gazillion dollars to my account in Switzerland or the Cayman Islands.
Noob: Ok, whatever you say, >
Evil Guy: I have won! I am a Gazillionaire! There is nothing you can do to stop me now
Noob: Oh, Nooooooooo! Release my daughter/wife/boyfriend!
Evil Guy: I have the money already, I'll just shoot them instead
Noob: No, I'll come crashing through the wall in a hail of bullets and stop you
*** Meanwhile, back in the real world! ***
Evil Guy: Send me the money...blah blah blah.
Actual Real Person: OK, here you go... >
Evil Guy: I have the money now, you get nothing
Actual Real Person (with FBI/Interpol agent): No, you have nothing but an entry on a computer screen. Gov't just froze those Assets and you don't even know it. Now, where is my daughter/wife/boyfriend whatever.
In other words, the second derivitive is increasing exponentially. Which means the third derivitive is inscreasing constantly. So what do these represent. Something is increasing. It's rate of change is increasing exponentially. The rate of change of the rate of change is increasing constantly.
The original point was that Mozilla can't just go ahead and use h.264 because of Patents. Call them software patents, call them patents on algorithms, call them patents on methods. It doesn't matter. As long as it isn't a "Patent on a Specific Implementation" then Mozilla can't use it without infringing it. You can't publish video using it (after December 2010) without infringing it. You can't consume/view said video without infringing it. You will need to license to produce and consume. This CANNOT work for Mozilla and open web standards, It is a DEAD END!
Did you even read what I said? What the fuck do you think you are educating me on? I just said it doesn't matter what it is in reality, but, what it is legally. The law doesn't give two shits about what logical people like you and I think about it. We can trumpet from the highest towers, "It's a software patent", and they will say, "Shut the fuck up!"
How do you know what problems I have or don't have? How do you know I get worked up about this because I actually give a shit about other people's right to communicate? You assume much and offer little. You like to dismiss people who "get worked up" because you never bother to "get worked up" for anything you don't think immediately affects you. So, I'm going to invoke Godwin: First, they came for the right to produce video communication, and I said nothing; Then, they came for the right to consume video communication, and I said nothing; Then, they came for the right to produce written communications, and I said nothing; Then, they came for the right to read written communications and I said nothing; Then, they came for the right to speak communication, and I said nothing (because they had cut out my tongue).
There is no such thing as a patent on an algorithm. It is a patent on a method. You and I may know better, but that has nothing to do with the law. You make the mistake of trying to logical rather than legal. Everyone makes this mistake all along. They actually believe in the law because they think it matches up with what is logical. It does not! Most laws exist to give some individuals or exclusive groups power over you and everyone else. Why won't you just swallow it like all the other lemmings? Oh, my bad, you are an intelligent thinking individual who can tell the difference between what should be fair and logical and what is legal. Now, if only most people could understand this we'd be somewhere. But, instead, we have butt-wads like "coryking" and their, "My smart-phone does h.264, what's your problem?"
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That sounds naughty!
You are a complete idiot. You so want words to mean what you think they should mean rather than what they mean, that you fail to respond in any meaningful way to my arguments. You entire argument boils down to, "We're Doctors. We know best. You can't possibly understand. Shit Happens!"
Since you don't think doctors should be held financially responsible for their actions and their should be no recourse in tort law for injured parties, then I think that people who are injured should be able to exact restitution from you in any way they themselves deem appropriate.
I would love to get a list of your patients and forward your diatribes here to them. I think it would be a wonderful eye-opener for them.
It was a "Routine" hysterectomy (their words, not mine) that presented with no complications. It was gonna be in and out with no problems. The only reason they were doing it was because my wife was having a lot of pain (for a number of years) during her cycles. She went to the surgeon originally because her doctor recommended Endometrial Ablation. The surgeon said that wasn't going to help. She had had a Tubal Ligation several years earlier after her last child. They said they needed to do the Hysterectomy because she had cysts (non-cancerous/non-life-threatening) on her Ovary. It was, they said, only going to continue to cause ever increasing pain and that this was the only alternative. It was routine though. No complications that would cause them to expect anything other than a routine, easy hysterectomy.
Now, it is obvious to me based on the responses from those who claim to be doctors and/or medical practioners, that they all believe that they should never be held culpable for anything. Their attitude can be summarized as "Shit Happens". This experience, coupled with the kind of responses to what I said, as well as what others are saying on this topic, has drastically changed my perception of the Medical Profession. It is obvious to me that most (I'm sure there are exceptions) practioners see themselves as some kind of infallible gods. They don't make mistakes! No, there are complications! Us mere mortals could never possibly understand the complexity of what they deal with. We should thank our lucky stars that they even lower themselves to the indiginity of actually attempting to address our health problems. We should bow down, kiss their feet, and worship their skillZ!
Again, thanks to all those who expressed concern. And for those other smart-asses, I only hope that you don't have to face this sort of thing and learn the hard way (as I have done) how unprofessional, and uncaring this system really is.
I, for one, will never again question the legitimacy of "All the Frivolous Lawsuits" that get filed!
Oh, and for those doctors that don't think their Malpractice Insurance should have to pay for someone's ongoing care when they make this kind of mistake, I say to you, since their is no other recourse, I recommend that anyone who has their family member or loved one killed or serioulsy injured, hunt you down and injure or kill you. After all, it's only fair!
What exactly did I play into? What am I saying that indicates I'm a child? Who is trying to have fun and who is making a serious argument? Come on and come see this faggot-pussy: 2807 Summit Road, Copley, Ohio 44321. Come visit me and we'll see who is the faggot pussy! Bring it on you little wimpy ass bitch! Come fuck me if you think you're such a badass. I'll rip you apart you fucking leech!
You are completely ignorant. How does someone "Choose to drive at a speed that they knew was unsafe for conditions if the believed they were traveling at a safe speed?"
Then you say, "This is why we have laws that regulate speed, ..." Yeah, and we also have laws that regulate medical safety. So what the fuck is your goddamn point?
"Did I pass my driving test," you say. Did you pass your medical exam? What's the difference?
With your terrible example you are expected to know how to perform a medical procedure safely. Do you remeber that test you had to take before getting your license to practice medicine? You cannont "accidently" suture or cauterize an unrelated organ or system when operating on another.
You are making even less sense than before.
I think you lack reading comprehension. Failing to take reasonable care is not the same thing as deliberate. You just proved my point. You so want to believe that a medical mistake is not negligence, that you will twist words to mean what you think they should mean rather than what they in fact mean. I feel like I'm arguing with Bill Clinton over what the meaning of the word "is" is.
Where is "Deliberate" or "On Purpose" in any of that? Now I see why health practioners object to lawsuits. They don't think they are negligent because they don't even know what the goddamn word means! Syn: Careles; heedless; neglectful; regardless; thoughtless;
indifferent; inattentive; remiss.
[1913 Webster]
Negligence has nothing to do with deliberate.
Negligent Neg"li*gent, a. [F. n['e]gligent, L. negligens,p.
pr. of negligere. See Neglect.]
Apt to neglect; customarily neglectful; characterized by
negligence; careless; heedless; culpably careless; showing
lack of attention; as, disposed in negligent order. "Be thou
negligent of fame." --Swift.
[1913 Webster]
This implies two things, 1. you knew that your chose speed was not sufficient for the conditions and 2. you still chose to drive at that speed.
No, it implies no such thing. I could believe I was driving at a safe speed all I want, but, the fact that I wrecked means I was driving too fast for conditions. You are the one mixing things up. You insist that a driver who makes a mistake is Negligent, but, a health practioner who makes a mistake merely needs to take responsibility. What do you even mean? You make no sense.
Instead, "snip, a bunch of rhetorical questions". What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Fuck You! You're not a good doctor, you're a piece of shit! You don't want to take responsibility for anything and you want everyone to kiss your ass because you know better and they are dumbasses. After all, you went to MEDICAL SCHOOL!
Noone can question you (with their silly Rhetoric)? No, you are beyond reproach and above criticism. Fuck You!
Just where the fuck did this idea come from? Who the fuck is selling this? Who the fuck is buying it?
Everyone wants to say this until they are the victim of someone else's mistake. If I drive too fast for conditions and I slide on the ice and wreck my car into your livingroom and kill your children, then I shouldn't be blamed. It was just a mistake. We should just work on better protocols to help keep me from doing this in the future. Maybe we can make the cars have ice sensors (temperature/humidity etc) that automagically govern the speed to a much lower value than otherwise. No need to blame me. After all, I was just driving in what seemed like a safe manner.
You speak up. They dismiss you explaining that that is not the way it is done. Who are you to argue. They're the doctor. Oh, but, don't hold them responsible if something goes wrong. After all, what they do is so completely, absolutely complicated that mistakes will happen. So suck it up and die schmuck!
I am not advocating increased lawsuits, as the *vast majority* of them are groundless.
Says who? Citation Please?
What makes a lawsuite groundless? Because you say so? Because you feel that what you do is so difficult that you shouldn't be held responsible for mistakes? What is a legitimate lawsuit? Deliberate? Deliberate is criminal in my book. Accidental? When I get in a car Accident, say, I was going a little too fast for the conditions, like black ice on the road (maybe I was even doing the speed limit or less), and I lost control of my car and plow into an intersection and kill a pedestrian in the cross-walk. It was an accident. It wasn't deliberate. It was unforeseeable. Nevertheless, me and my insurance will be sued and I and/or my insurance will pay and rightfully so. Do you not agree? So, explain to me what makes the *vast majority* of medical lawsuits groundless. I'd really like to hear this one!
...they don't have to worry about being invaded and having their resources taken away because other countries do all the heavy lifting in keeping the peace throughout the world and then take nothing but crap about it from everyone else.
...to thank all those who expressed concern. Wasn't intended as a sympathy shopping expedition, but, thank you anyway.
I have a very similar problem. Chronic issues with breathing and nasal irritaion and pain. Stomach irritation and pain. Nothing seems to help. I had severe Asthma as a kid, so was diagnosed. Used to be highly allergic to just about everything. Supposedly, I outgrew those allergies, but, really all I did was outgrow such a strong reaction to them that I'd need to be hospitalized and put on oxygen or die. Now, everything is just pain and struggle to breather, but, hey, I'm alive. I should be thankful, right? Doctors don't know anything to help me. I gave up. It's not really their fault, they just don't really know that much about these kinds of conditions period. It sucks. But, it's noones fault.
Wish I had some answers for you. Maybe, since you are so young, that soon they'll figure some of these issues out and you won't have to live for 40 years with this problem. Here's hoping.
People survive just fine with one arm? People survive just fine that are blind? People survive just fine who can't hear? People survive just fine with a permanent colostomy bag? People survive just fine with their tongue cut out? People survive just fine with one leg? People survive just fine with their face melted off with acid or burned off in fire? People survive just fine with their testicles mistakenly removed? People survive just fine with their dick cut off? People survive just fine without a bladder of any sorts?
You're welcome to accept any of these conditions any time you want jack-ass!
These "Highly Trained Morons" are working on killing my wife. She went in for a Hysterectomy and ended up with her ureter sutured or cauterized shut resulting in her kidney backing up and shutting down. Now she has a tube out her back to keep her kidney alive and in a few weeks they'll go in an cut her ureter above the blockage and reattach it to her bladder. All for the low, low, price of $$$$$$$$$$$$. Meanwhile, the nursing staff and E/R staff have done everything in their power to see how much additional damage they can do. No one has any common sense or care that I can see. I'm fit to be tied!
Evil Guy: You will now wire 1 gazillion dollars to my account in Switzerland or the Cayman Islands.
... >
Noob: Ok, whatever you say, >
Evil Guy: I have won! I am a Gazillionaire! There is nothing you can do to stop me now
Noob: Oh, Nooooooooo! Release my daughter/wife/boyfriend!
Evil Guy: I have the money already, I'll just shoot them instead
Noob: No, I'll come crashing through the wall in a hail of bullets and stop you
*** Meanwhile, back in the real world! ***
Evil Guy: Send me the money...blah blah blah.
Actual Real Person: OK, here you go
Evil Guy: I have the money now, you get nothing
Actual Real Person (with FBI/Interpol agent): No, you have nothing but an entry on a computer screen. Gov't just froze those Assets and you don't even know it. Now, where is my daughter/wife/boyfriend whatever.
Negotiation begins...
In other words, the second derivitive is increasing exponentially. Which means the third derivitive is inscreasing constantly. So what do these represent. Something is increasing. It's rate of change is increasing exponentially. The rate of change of the rate of change is increasing constantly.
The original point was that Mozilla can't just go ahead and use h.264 because of Patents. Call them software patents, call them patents on algorithms, call them patents on methods. It doesn't matter. As long as it isn't a "Patent on a Specific Implementation" then Mozilla can't use it without infringing it. You can't publish video using it (after December 2010) without infringing it. You can't consume/view said video without infringing it. You will need to license to produce and consume. This CANNOT work for Mozilla and open web standards, It is a DEAD END!
It will be the middle 80% and they will win. Society will devolve and human-kind will come to an end.
Did you even read what I said? What the fuck do you think you are educating me on? I just said it doesn't matter what it is in reality, but, what it is legally. The law doesn't give two shits about what logical people like you and I think about it. We can trumpet from the highest towers, "It's a software patent", and they will say, "Shut the fuck up!"
How do you know what problems I have or don't have? How do you know I get worked up about this because I actually give a shit about other people's right to communicate? You assume much and offer little. You like to dismiss people who "get worked up" because you never bother to "get worked up" for anything you don't think immediately affects you. So, I'm going to invoke Godwin: First, they came for the right to produce video communication, and I said nothing; Then, they came for the right to consume video communication, and I said nothing; Then, they came for the right to produce written communications, and I said nothing; Then, they came for the right to read written communications and I said nothing; Then, they came for the right to speak communication, and I said nothing (because they had cut out my tongue).
There is no such thing as a patent on an algorithm. It is a patent on a method. You and I may know better, but that has nothing to do with the law. You make the mistake of trying to logical rather than legal. Everyone makes this mistake all along. They actually believe in the law because they think it matches up with what is logical. It does not! Most laws exist to give some individuals or exclusive groups power over you and everyone else. Why won't you just swallow it like all the other lemmings? Oh, my bad, you are an intelligent thinking individual who can tell the difference between what should be fair and logical and what is legal. Now, if only most people could understand this we'd be somewhere. But, instead, we have butt-wads like "coryking" and their, "My smart-phone does h.264, what's your problem?"