i have no doubt in my mind that there is a "safe" list of IPs that will never receive a subpoena. i'm sure getting added is just an embarrassing phone call away.
i'll restate that i have no doubt that Bin Laden deserved what he got.
the principle i'm trying to defend against a tide of batshit crazy revenge-bent yanks is that justice must be seen to be done.
i can guarantee that shooting an unarmed man in a country you didn't warn and had no authority to strike in will piss would-be trrrsts off a lot more than simply capturing him (even in the same way, but without killing him, if that's possible of course. i'm sure the SEALs were doing what they could) and putting him on trial.
if your enemies are so volatile, there's even more reason to do things properly. to make sure there's no possible reason to doubt you. to serve justice as justly as humanly possible. because any tiny doubt or shortcut will be seized by your enemies and used against you.
fighting the good fight is always going to be hard. the "bad guys" of the world have no qualms about committing evil themselves, but if they spot you doing anything slightly questionable, they'll use it against you, regardless of how much worse they behave. you have to be completely beyond reproach if you are to fight the good fight effectively. anything that's brought into question, you must have an adequate answer to.
i agree that celebrating someone's cold-blooded killing is a bit morbid, but i think the US has been quite subdued, all things considered.
remember the "we got him" press conference with Saddam Hussein? talk about gloating. there wasn't even discussion about whether the muslim world would see their handling as being a bit distasteful. this time round there's more sensitivity than i've seen from any "winning side". credit where it's due... it's not perfect, but you can't say the handling of this wasn't thought about.
also, consider how "the enemy" handles similar situations. they behead people and put in on youtube. they parade their own dead children through the streets, shouting and shooting AKs in the air. and it goes on and on.
imagine what the headlines would have been if Al Qaeda had captured George W Bush?
dammit, my 15 modpoints disappeared before i could use any.
you were so getting a troll mod.
EVERYBODY deserves a fair trial, no matter what they've done.
"fair trial" does not mean "let them go with a slap on the wrist". in OBL's case, a "fair trial" would no doubt be a death sentence. but the trial must happen regardless.
at the very least the SEALs could have dropped their weapons, asked the women present to leave and duked it out like honourable scoundrels.
in military slang, "used his wife as a human shield" no doubt actually means "the wife was closest to the door when we kicked it open, so we shot her first".
there's a problem with Sony having no liability, as it was not their information to be careless with.
i sincerely hope breaches like this lead to legislation that forces a duty of care for any company that collects customer information.
if Sony have indeed been negligent in their security practices (which i think most slashdotters would agree they have been), they should be legally liable for it. as should anybody who holds information about others.
medical records are kept safe by law. CC details should be no different.
i could go into the fun i've had getting my USB sound card working.
linux is user-friendly if all you want to do is browse, tweet, IM or email.
as soon as you try anything else, you're in "this is unsupported. it's not our fault. there's a patch here, or is it here. you'll have to recompile the kernel, then recompile ALSA, then compile and install wineasio, jack-dev, and wine-dev, then configure everything. oh, you mean you're not running this really old kernel? well, there's no kernel headers for your version, so you wont be able to recompile ALSA at all. it's not our fault - blame the manufacturer of your hardware".
linux's user-friendliness is a veneer. once you peel it away, you still wind up doing everything in terminal, just like you have for the last 20 years.
note that this is not a big criticism - i love how far it's come. i'm just saying it has further to go, and needs to get along with (often hostile) hardware manufacturers a little better to provide the kind of experience windows or osx can provide, security holes or not.
well, the internet runs on linux. but it also runs on semi-competent admins who don't open up all the ports, so it would still be harder to hack into.
consumer friendly linux, rest assured, would be quite insecure, even if the OS is built to be bulletproof. no point in high security when the root password is a three letter word, like the one on my sandpit box is.
if linux were to be brought to the level of user-friendliness that windows and osx are at (ie, be a "consumer ready" OS with all that entails), i wouldn't be surprised if people did start running it as root all the time.
windows tried to introduce similar user access control and they got caned for it (even though OSX has the same prompts, but whatevs).
i've become quite accustomed to typing sudo in front of everything these days.. i'm sure i'd be vulnerable to this if i didn't also watch what i clicked (or watched the computer's response to things i most certainly didn't click)
i'd contend that if nobody shared their intention with others, then there was no acting as a group.
even if "the leader of anonymous" performed this data grab, if they didn't tell anybody there's no way you can say "anonymous did it".
so IRC chat logs, postings on anonops or whatever they call it, etc. it's a trivial matter to look this stuff up if you want to find it.
if there's no sign of these places discussing hacking into PSN and stealing member's details, you can be pretty sure that Anonymous didn't do it.
i believe they've actually stated early on that their DDoS was hurting PSN users, and they didn't want that - they wanted to hurt Sony, but not gamers. so they changed their strategy (or at least, issued a statement saying "if you're DDoSing PSN, plz stop lol kthxbai", which is as much authority as anon can have over its own members).
of course, some internet tough guy might have got in during the anon attacks, who identified as anonymous, and decided to take it upon him/herself to steal shit and leave a calling card on behalf of his group. remember there's a lot of misfits out there.
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there's coal, natural gas and biofuels as well...
i'm not refuting, just expanding your model.
i have no doubt in my mind that there is a "safe" list of IPs that will never receive a subpoena. i'm sure getting added is just an embarrassing phone call away.
living in OBL's neighborhood would be a fair bit safer than plenty of places in the States.
i doubt he'd shit in his own nest.
go comment on some youtube clips or something.
what harm is there sending a few people off for shits and giggles?
jesus, you talk about lacking imagination. you sound like an old man shaking his fist at one of those horseless carriage things as it sputters by.
plan as soon as you like. let the practical aspects catch up.
your argument makes no sense - saying we should wait until we have the technology before we plan to develop the technology we are waiting for...
that's what disturbs me.
i'll restate that i have no doubt that Bin Laden deserved what he got.
the principle i'm trying to defend against a tide of batshit crazy revenge-bent yanks is that justice must be seen to be done.
i can guarantee that shooting an unarmed man in a country you didn't warn and had no authority to strike in will piss would-be trrrsts off a lot more than simply capturing him (even in the same way, but without killing him, if that's possible of course. i'm sure the SEALs were doing what they could) and putting him on trial.
if your enemies are so volatile, there's even more reason to do things properly. to make sure there's no possible reason to doubt you. to serve justice as justly as humanly possible. because any tiny doubt or shortcut will be seized by your enemies and used against you.
fighting the good fight is always going to be hard. the "bad guys" of the world have no qualms about committing evil themselves, but if they spot you doing anything slightly questionable, they'll use it against you, regardless of how much worse they behave. you have to be completely beyond reproach if you are to fight the good fight effectively. anything that's brought into question, you must have an adequate answer to.
so ronery
try returning a Sony laptop after installing linux on it, smartarse.
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i agree that celebrating someone's cold-blooded killing is a bit morbid, but i think the US has been quite subdued, all things considered.
remember the "we got him" press conference with Saddam Hussein? talk about gloating. there wasn't even discussion about whether the muslim world would see their handling as being a bit distasteful. this time round there's more sensitivity than i've seen from any "winning side". credit where it's due... it's not perfect, but you can't say the handling of this wasn't thought about.
also, consider how "the enemy" handles similar situations. they behead people and put in on youtube. they parade their own dead children through the streets, shouting and shooting AKs in the air. and it goes on and on.
imagine what the headlines would have been if Al Qaeda had captured George W Bush?
but haven't we always been at war with Eastasia?
i think you'll find most countries have different rules in war time.
it's a war on an abstract concept, but a war nonetheless.
exactly - nobody likes a micro-manager.
the public service should be trusted enough to do their jobs without interference, and competent enough to do so without fucking anything up.
if a boss can't trust their staff, you either need new staff or a new boss..
dammit, my 15 modpoints disappeared before i could use any.
you were so getting a troll mod.
EVERYBODY deserves a fair trial, no matter what they've done.
"fair trial" does not mean "let them go with a slap on the wrist". in OBL's case, a "fair trial" would no doubt be a death sentence. but the trial must happen regardless.
at the very least the SEALs could have dropped their weapons, asked the women present to leave and duked it out like honourable scoundrels.
in military slang, "used his wife as a human shield" no doubt actually means "the wife was closest to the door when we kicked it open, so we shot her first".
there's a problem with Sony having no liability, as it was not their information to be careless with.
i sincerely hope breaches like this lead to legislation that forces a duty of care for any company that collects customer information.
if Sony have indeed been negligent in their security practices (which i think most slashdotters would agree they have been), they should be legally liable for it. as should anybody who holds information about others.
medical records are kept safe by law. CC details should be no different.
TMI didn't get hit by a freaking 9.0 earthquake and 14 metre tsunami...
you think perhaps that could cause some damage?
i'm using it now, buddy.
i could go into the fun i've had getting my USB sound card working.
linux is user-friendly if all you want to do is browse, tweet, IM or email.
as soon as you try anything else, you're in "this is unsupported. it's not our fault. there's a patch here, or is it here. you'll have to recompile the kernel, then recompile ALSA, then compile and install wineasio, jack-dev, and wine-dev, then configure everything. oh, you mean you're not running this really old kernel? well, there's no kernel headers for your version, so you wont be able to recompile ALSA at all. it's not our fault - blame the manufacturer of your hardware".
linux's user-friendliness is a veneer. once you peel it away, you still wind up doing everything in terminal, just like you have for the last 20 years.
note that this is not a big criticism - i love how far it's come. i'm just saying it has further to go, and needs to get along with (often hostile) hardware manufacturers a little better to provide the kind of experience windows or osx can provide, security holes or not.
well, the internet runs on linux. but it also runs on semi-competent admins who don't open up all the ports, so it would still be harder to hack into.
consumer friendly linux, rest assured, would be quite insecure, even if the OS is built to be bulletproof. no point in high security when the root password is a three letter word, like the one on my sandpit box is.
if linux were to be brought to the level of user-friendliness that windows and osx are at (ie, be a "consumer ready" OS with all that entails), i wouldn't be surprised if people did start running it as root all the time.
windows tried to introduce similar user access control and they got caned for it (even though OSX has the same prompts, but whatevs).
not if you RTFA.
i've become quite accustomed to typing sudo in front of everything these days.. i'm sure i'd be vulnerable to this if i didn't also watch what i clicked (or watched the computer's response to things i most certainly didn't click)
the hills have eyes, and they're alive with the sound of music.
i'd contend that if nobody shared their intention with others, then there was no acting as a group.
even if "the leader of anonymous" performed this data grab, if they didn't tell anybody there's no way you can say "anonymous did it".
so IRC chat logs, postings on anonops or whatever they call it, etc. it's a trivial matter to look this stuff up if you want to find it.
if there's no sign of these places discussing hacking into PSN and stealing member's details, you can be pretty sure that Anonymous didn't do it.
i believe they've actually stated early on that their DDoS was hurting PSN users, and they didn't want that - they wanted to hurt Sony, but not gamers. so they changed their strategy (or at least, issued a statement saying "if you're DDoSing PSN, plz stop lol kthxbai", which is as much authority as anon can have over its own members).
of course, some internet tough guy might have got in during the anon attacks, who identified as anonymous, and decided to take it upon him/herself to steal shit and leave a calling card on behalf of his group. remember there's a lot of misfits out there.
http://xkcd.com/645/
this is not analogous to the "she shouldn't have dressed like that" argument though.
more like the "she shouldn't have left the door unlocked, windows down when she had all that gold sitting on the passenger seat".