to quote the infinite wisdom of "The Matrix" - the movie..
"the problem is choice"
or rather its not.... I can choose to take my own life.. i can choose to do alot of shit.. makes little to no sense why on earth i shouldnt be able to choose an experimental therapy form if im terminal..... then let it be MY choice to donate my body to science... got a problem with a superior being making superior choices ? then fuck you too.
"I have no opinion on which of the two systems is better; I just pointed out that Java is falling behind ASP.NET, so it doesn't look like it's the future." - No you did not "just point out".
"I'm sorry it makes no sense to you; if you actually were in the business of writing high quality cross platform software, it would." - Will Robinson, your logic has deep technical flaws, i assume you acknowledge that since you fail to comment on it.
"Good that you acknowledge it. Now, you may believe that a proprietary standard is a good standard, but I disagree." - Again, i wasnt disagreeing on the open standard part, in fact i have no oppinion whether it would be better than the jcp. But you allready know that, since this is the part you choose to single out of the argument.
"Well, with people like you in this industry, it's no wonder that software quality is so awful." - Aw.. thats just plain mean!:).. gotta do better than that
So Java equals JSP and Swing ? Java is a shitload more than that.
Let me ask another question, is asp.net superior to jsp ? No ? Then is it "jsp" itself you're putting down or the people marketing it? If windows is the choice for 98% of business servers, does it make sense that there's more asp than jsp pages outthere? The desktop application market?
Are you seriously stating that you we're cheering on a company that claimed to remove windows programs from the windows operating system and replacing them with JAVA applications ? AWT ? Swing ? allrighty then.
"And Java is only "portable" to the degree that it limits the degree to which you can access platform-specific features." - omfg.. that makes next to no sense at all unless you're suggesting the "java operating system" -wich of course you'd be cheering on for world domination as well?;) NO its not an open standard, but it IS portable. Besides that there's no point to be made no matter how hard you try double or triple negating shit.
"All I'm saying is that people like you are making false statements about Java. Java is a commercial failure compared to its initial hype, it has deep technical flaws, and it is clearly not the future." - There you go again.. let me polish your boolean logic for ya'... here you go 'All im saying is that people making false statements about java is making false statements about java'. Again, double negating your shit may impress and convince your average.not dumboi's but really... c'mon.!!. Deep technical flaws ? Like what ? (honestly interrested!)
I work with both java and.net developers on a daily basis, mainly integration between different business constructs, and this is my subjective take on usability roubustness and performance; the java envoriment can be extremely crappy, the.net envoriemnt is crappy and the java envoriment can be pretty good. Let it be said, that it's easier to drown in the massive amounts of bloat and marketing hype in the java section than to get it 'right' the first time around, but you CAN get it right. a respectible rdmbs, subversion, hibernate, resin/orion, IntelliJ IDEA etc. and you're close to an optimal development configuration. Of course, this is *just* the spice.. with out the right management your shit no matter how good your tools are. On another note, i too will migrate my primary core competences to.net, not because its superior but because its the monopoly of today and, its my prediction, its the monoploy of tomorrow. I still dont care much for microsoft, but on the other hand if it wasnt microsoft it'd be another large corporation (IBM?) dictating everything and everything.. the future looks alot like that old-old-game.. what was it.. syndicate(s) ?
Im done. I got pulled in to begin with but i have little time for fanboi' wars.. i suspect you do to. We all need to vent from time to time.
Going by that weighting of the positron, i suppose ie is superior to firefox as well.
Are you guys listening ? Cause here it comes.
Yes.. Java is bloated. API's EVERYWHERE... its both hell and a blessing... hell navigating, and a blessing cause you can get very very productive _fast_.
The gold ; BLOAT IS A SIGN OF SUCCESS.
Take it to the bank guys'. Bloat is a consequence of success.
Wake up: Java is history.
- Indeed it is; history, present and future.
Compared to its initial hype and promise, Java has been a dismal failure.
- You would need to quantify these constructs, but thats hardly going to happen, now isnt it?
The question you should be asking is: "who the hell uses Java these days".
- A hell of alot
Java promised to be an open standard, a platform for high quality cross platform applications.
- And it is. My java apps _are_ portable across systems, even my enterprise application is.. to top that, even my enterprise container, written in java, is portable to any given platform supporting a recent enough jdk. It is like it _should_ be.. zip directory.. move zip.. unzip.. java -jar MyShit.jar.
Dont MAKE me spank your C#.net.win32 microsoft visual c++ runtime exception throwing java-lookalike-wannabe enterpreted excuse for a dev envoriment.
But who the fuck cares about a few core semantics. Right ? For fucks sake i sure dont.. Im a problem solver, ill pick the best tool for the job, but fanboi's.. fanboi's must die.. MOVING on to the _place_ that actually matter... YOUR ENTERPRISE ENVORIMENT.. the IIS is such a bitch.. granted there are alot of CRAPPY ASS appliaction servers for java outthere too.. But you have a CHOICE to avoid them and go with something like orion or resin and make your life a happy one. But the IIS is such a bitch(repetition is in order here).. my god, the exceptions it has thrown at me, the 500's and what would look like a general hardware failure (but is not).
The new Pascal ? Are you insane ? The new Cobol ? Are you more insane ? Infact where cobol IS getting phased out, it is my distinct impression that it is being replaced with Java (IBM Anyone ? mpe/hp3000/9000 ?).
Replacing cobol is like recieving a blessing from god himself.
Where is your persistence frameworks?
I understand you're about to get SQLJ support in your dev envoriment ? lol, congrataltions on that. And where is your IntelliJ IDEA / Eclipse competitive ide's ? to quote karatekid 3 ; best way to avoid punch, is not be there.
And I guess your app really is portable.. atleast between windows 2000 and 2003.. think it'll fuck up on vista ? yea me too...
And as for porting to Linux, Java is one of the worst choices for that: it's proprietary, closed source, and single-vendor.
- I think ill just pull a C#.Win32.PostMessage(you,WM_CLOSE,0,0) on your ass on that one.
All that aside..
could this result in your own personal IQ-upgrade-kit ?.. especially if you're not going to inject your own dna.. could i order some einsteinium-brain-stemcells please thank you ? 200.000$ ? i only got a fiver.. gimme the bush ones then..
(..seriously?)
.. Yes, indeed, it is worth it...
a little coding skills
a little hacking skills
and your good on your way creating bots... real cash making robots...
instead of running seti or whatever, why not use those idle cycles creating CASH!!!!!
Yeeeaaaa buddy... light weight....
That makes alot of friggin sense..
Dont get me wrong, im as big a sucker for tech as the next/.'er... but in this regard, selfpreservation, it just might make sense to cut down on the military budget and up the dollar going to the third world and elsewhere..
If its going to be resolved through conflict, i suggest we do it sooner rather than later (later when doomsday bombs is an over-the-counter item).
If not, i suggest we help the rest of the the world reach a welfare level that overall produces less terrorist candidates.
There is that third choice though; world domination!.. mm wonder if democracy is really fit to span worldwide...
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to quote the infinite wisdom of "The Matrix" - the movie.. "the problem is choice" or rather its not.... I can choose to take my own life .. i can choose to do alot of shit .. makes little to no sense why on earth i shouldnt be able to choose an experimental therapy form if im terminal ..... then let it be MY choice to donate my body to science... got a problem with a superior being making superior choices ? then fuck you too.
"I have no opinion on which of the two systems is better; I just pointed out that Java is falling behind ASP.NET, so it doesn't look like it's the future."
:) .. gotta do better than that
- No you did not "just point out".
"I'm sorry it makes no sense to you; if you actually were in the business of writing high quality cross platform software, it would."
- Will Robinson, your logic has deep technical flaws, i assume you acknowledge that since you fail to comment on it.
"Good that you acknowledge it. Now, you may believe that a proprietary standard is a good standard, but I disagree."
- Again, i wasnt disagreeing on the open standard part, in fact i have no oppinion whether it would be better than the jcp. But you allready know that, since this is the part you choose to single out of the argument.
"Well, with people like you in this industry, it's no wonder that software quality is so awful."
- Aw.. thats just plain mean!
So Java equals JSP and Swing ? Java is a shitload more than that.
.. that makes next to no sense at all unless you're suggesting the "java operating system" -wich of course you'd be cheering on for world domination as well? ;)
.not dumboi's but really... c'mon.!!.
.net developers on a daily basis, mainly integration between different business constructs, and this is my subjective take on usability roubustness and performance; the java envoriment can be extremely crappy, the .net envoriemnt is crappy and the java envoriment can be pretty good. Let it be said, that it's easier to drown in the massive amounts of bloat and marketing hype in the java section than to get it 'right' the first time around, but you CAN get it right. a respectible rdmbs, subversion, hibernate, resin/orion, IntelliJ IDEA etc. and you're close to an optimal development configuration. .net, not because its superior but because its the monopoly of today and, its my prediction, its the monoploy of tomorrow. I still dont care much for microsoft, but on the other hand if it wasnt microsoft it'd be another large corporation (IBM?) dictating everything and everything .. the future looks alot like that old-old-game.. what was it.. syndicate(s) ?
Let me ask another question, is asp.net superior to jsp ? No ? Then is it "jsp" itself you're putting down or the people marketing it? If windows is the choice for 98% of business servers, does it make sense that there's more asp than jsp pages outthere?
The desktop application market?
Are you seriously stating that you we're cheering on a company that claimed to remove windows programs from the windows operating system and replacing them with JAVA applications ? AWT ? Swing ? allrighty then.
"And Java is only "portable" to the degree that it limits the degree to which you can access platform-specific features."
- omfg
NO its not an open standard, but it IS portable. Besides that there's no point to be made no matter how hard you try double or triple negating shit.
"All I'm saying is that people like you are making false statements about Java. Java is a commercial failure compared to its initial hype, it has deep technical flaws, and it is clearly not the future."
- There you go again.. let me polish your boolean logic for ya'... here you go 'All im saying is that people making false statements about java is making false statements about java'.
Again, double negating your shit may impress and convince your average
Deep technical flaws ? Like what ? (honestly interrested!)
I work with both java and
Of course, this is *just* the spice.. with out the right management your shit no matter how good your tools are.
On another note, i too will migrate my primary core competences to
Im done. I got pulled in to begin with but i have little time for fanboi' wars.. i suspect you do to. We all need to vent from time to time.
Going by that weighting of the positron, i suppose ie is superior to firefox as well. Are you guys listening ? Cause here it comes. Yes.. Java is bloated. API's EVERYWHERE ... its both hell and a blessing ... hell navigating, and a blessing cause you can get very very productive _fast_.
The gold ; BLOAT IS A SIGN OF SUCCESS.
Take it to the bank guys'. Bloat is a consequence of success.
and what the fuck happend to my formatting of that text. little patience i have, will robinsion, for such.
Wake up: Java is history. - Indeed it is; history, present and future. Compared to its initial hype and promise, Java has been a dismal failure. - You would need to quantify these constructs, but thats hardly going to happen, now isnt it? The question you should be asking is: "who the hell uses Java these days". - A hell of alot Java promised to be an open standard, a platform for high quality cross platform applications. - And it is. My java apps _are_ portable across systems, even my enterprise application is.. to top that, even my enterprise container, written in java, is portable to any given platform supporting a recent enough jdk. It is like it _should_ be .. zip directory .. move zip .. unzip .. java -jar MyShit.jar.
Dont MAKE me spank your C#.net.win32 microsoft visual c++ runtime exception throwing java-lookalike-wannabe enterpreted excuse for a dev envoriment.
But who the fuck cares about a few core semantics. Right ? For fucks sake i sure dont.. Im a problem solver, ill pick the best tool for the job, but fanboi's .. fanboi's must die.. MOVING on to the _place_ that actually matter ... YOUR ENTERPRISE ENVORIMENT .. the IIS is such a bitch.. granted there are alot of CRAPPY ASS appliaction servers for java outthere too.. But you have a CHOICE to avoid them and go with something like orion or resin and make your life a happy one. But the IIS is such a bitch(repetition is in order here) .. my god, the exceptions it has thrown at me, the 500's and what would look like a general hardware failure (but is not).
The new Pascal ? Are you insane ? The new Cobol ? Are you more insane ? Infact where cobol IS getting phased out, it is my distinct impression that it is being replaced with Java (IBM Anyone ? mpe/hp3000/9000 ?).
Replacing cobol is like recieving a blessing from god himself.
Where is your persistence frameworks?
I understand you're about to get SQLJ support in your dev envoriment ? lol, congrataltions on that. And where is your IntelliJ IDEA / Eclipse competitive ide's ? to quote karatekid 3 ; best way to avoid punch, is not be there.
And I guess your app really is portable .. atleast between windows 2000 and 2003 .. think it'll fuck up on vista ? yea me too...
And as for porting to Linux, Java is one of the worst choices for that: it's proprietary, closed source, and single-vendor.
- I think ill just pull a C#.Win32.PostMessage(you,WM_CLOSE,0,0) on your ass on that one.
uhm .. where does the raptor fit in this equation ? still no.1 dog ?
thats nice.. meanwhile you'all crowding up my space .. my personal space.. just hit 400 users .. dambit... go away.. heh
All that aside ..
could this result in your own personal IQ-upgrade-kit ? .. especially if you're not going to inject your own dna .. could i order some einsteinium-brain-stemcells please thank you ? 200.000$ ? i only got a fiver .. gimme the bush ones then..
(..seriously?)
omg.. bill gates with a clue? .. where the hell did he find it!
.. Yes, indeed, it is worth it... a little coding skills a little hacking skills and your good on your way creating bots... real cash making robots... instead of running seti or whatever, why not use those idle cycles creating CASH!!!!! Yeeeaaaa buddy ... light weight....
or is this old patent concept ~1790 due for a rewamping anno 2005 ? this is about as ridiculus as certain software patents.
That makes alot of friggin sense.. Dont get me wrong, im as big a sucker for tech as the next /.'er ... but in this regard, selfpreservation, it just might make sense to cut down on the military budget and up the dollar going to the third world and elsewhere..
If its going to be resolved through conflict, i suggest we do it sooner rather than later (later when doomsday bombs is an over-the-counter item).
If not, i suggest we help the rest of the the world reach a welfare level that overall produces less terrorist candidates.
There is that third choice though; world domination! .. mm wonder if democracy is really fit to span worldwide...