I think so, were you the black-booted thug (I say black-booted instead of jackbooted because it's the boots he wore that got him caught) that was a cop PRETENDING to be a protester and actually trying to start riots?
You know, the ones wearing black, with black handkerchiefs covering their faces, and their police issue (oops) footwear that happened to be noticed by one of the 'rioters' who was trying to stop the violence from happening?
Sooo, how the Hell are you? I noticed you disappeared from the justice system as soon as your buddies put you in the back of the car, I assume you got your paycheck instead of an indictment...
Well, it's been swell reminiscing, I'll let you get back to your provocation.
(in all fairness, I may be confusing two protests that happened in the same time period)
Well then you should get rid of the WMDs that our sources say you're building. We can't have the proof that you're building them be a mushroom cloud, so we'll be right over to check things out.
*speaking to the troops* Guard the mines boys, while our weapons inspector, led by Mark Fuhrman, plant^Wsearch for "inappropriate" materials.
Sooooooo, how many unwanted babies HAVE you adopted? Riiight.
I think the whole abortion debate could be ended quickly with a PUBLIC vote. You go in, and if you pull one of the stronger 'no abortion' choices, you get to go home with a brand new unwanted (in more than one way now) baby.
That would put a REAL QUICK end to the circle-jerk of hypocrisy that is the 'Right To (a shitty) Life" movement.
Now, I know some of you REALLY DO put your life (AND money, lots of it in fact) where your mouth is, and HAVE adopted. Good for you, and you get a free pass on my 'hypocrite' claim for actually standing up for your convictions. Your contributions will continue to be considered, the rest of you should put up or shut up.
I hate to break it to you, but human suffering doesn't even come CLOSE to ranking anywhere on any scale of 'important cosmic events".
If you want to 'wax philosophical' about a supreme being of some type, try imagining all the destruction that occurs when a star ignites, or explodes for that matter. What about when galaxies collide?
There are far FAR more important things going on in the universe than humanity. Ouchy-booboos (even torturous death) are COMPLETELY INSIGNIFICANT in the grand scheme of the cosmos, and expecting any Grand Cosmic Architect (if such exists) to plan the universe in a way that minimalizes human suffering is hubris of the highest order.
I happen to find speeding more morally offensive than non-armed robbery, drug use, embezzlement, etc. (many many more).
Nope, not being a troll, it's absolutely true, but maybe that's because speeding KILLS (a close member of my family, actually), but many other crimes are either victimless (LOL @ victimless "crimes") or they are property denial crimes.
See, that's the part I don't get about gun control... Liberals -KNOW BETTER- than to trust the police, so why is it when the discussion turns to gun control do the police all of the sudden become some shiny-armored knight, trusted with the awesome power of destruction above all others? What about that piece of tin on their chest makes them more moral, or more humble (arrogance + the only gun allowed = professionalism?!?), or more reasonable? I've known cops, and there's nothing NOTHING about them at all that makes them any more capable of using a firearm correctly, in fact many of the cops I've known were aggressive bully types, precisely the kind of people you DON'T want getting access to arms.
I really don't get it. I'll be in favor of gun control when it's UNIVERSAL, including the tin-shielded overlords.
You're saying that that's the meaning of life? To correlate some vast database? Wow, that explains some things. From at glance at human society, I'd say that we're crunching some backwater (from the superuniversal scale, of course) marketing database.
I want to simplify what parent is saying: science is by definition without bias. It doesn't care if lightening is electricity or God's Wrath Made Manifest, it just provides a way to determine the causality of the phenomenon.
Okay, so we know science has weighed in on my example, and it's electricity. Cool. It may very well happen that we'll find out that electricity is symptomatic of God's Wrath (okay, probably not, but run with it). Science, REAL science, will likely POINT TO THAT CONCLUSION. It doesn't care, it's not offended, and when people think science is "at war" with ANYTHING they become guilty of conceptual-personification on the order of any theologian, IMHO.
Here's my outlook on that: yeah, it's science, but once you realize that science is a big spinning wheel (Observe, Hypothesize, Experiment, GOTO Observe) and that String Theory is stuck in it's first revolution (unable to reach 'Experiment' properly) it becomes clear that it's not going anywhere yet.
Similarly, a pickup truck stuck in 5 feet of mud isn't going anywhere, but it's still a 'vehicle', and could even still be called a 'method of transport', unfortunately unable to perform it's function properly.
Hey, look on the bright side though, once someone comes around to pull that truck out of the mud, you now have your vehicle. If we don't extinct ourselves first, we might just get String Theory out of it's mud pit. Even then, it might not be correct, but that's okay too. As per the truck analogy, what if you get it pulled out of the mud, but you need to transport 35 people? Well, getting it out of the mud would let you use the truck to make it to a bus (theory wrong per test data, data leads to new theories).
Point is, don't be so hard on String Theory, but continue to point out it's immobile status to people who keep getting in and spinning it's wheels. Exceptions can be made for the rare brilliant mechanic who comes along, and though not freeing the truck, adds a feature that will make it (possibly) more useful when it does become usable. Most people should continue walking towards where we need to go though, as sitting in the cab and making engine noises isn't going to get us anywhere.
I agree, mostly. It's been a while, but I remember the Scientific Method as being: Observation, Hypothesis, Experimentation, GOTO Observation. You've already described how the system can be useful in the Observation stage, and I submit to you the idea that it also is assisting the Hypothesis stage as well.
For some reason, you seem to insinuate that with the new 'data blob' method, you Observe, Hypothesize, and then run with the results as if that's all that need be done. For example, I'll suggest that your 'ice-cream, drowning' correlation (though simplistic, it's a good analogy) is EXACTLY the type of correlations that we humans have made over the years USING the scientific method, but because of the cyclical 'GOTO Observe' step of the SM, we test the new models we've built and find that there is a flaw in our model. There is nothing about this new technique that makes further refinement and testing of the model unapplicable.
That being said, the very first line of my post still stands, I agree with you, in that at most this new technique will represent a tool of learning. People will need to do much of the 'fine tuning' (and outright rejection) of the models presented to us, as well as being (IMHO) incredibly more efficient at the 'design' phase of the 'Experimentation' step, due to our natural creativity. Whether said 'creativity' can be simulated is a topic for another thread, and would only apply in highly advanced models of the system we are talking about, so it's not relevant to this real-world-tech conversation.
pssst; iSex is called "cyber" and there is NO protection that will stop your 19 y/o female bisexual cheerleader cyber-partner from turning back into the male 45 y/o laid-off McDonald's manager when "she's" done.
Loss of income and loss of entertainment. That's one bad-ass trojan. Perhaps we should give it a name to honor the RIAA, with whom it shares so many lovely traits.
Well, if it were REQUIRED to jump off of a bridge to reproduce, we'd either jump or go extinct, right?
I guarantee you that if jumping off bridges was a biological imperative necessary to the act of reproduction, that cute little saying you used wouldn't exist, EVERYONE'S parents would have jumped off of bridges, and NOT jumping off of bridges would be considered abnormal behavior.
I've heard Microsoft talking about it for a while now, telling everyone how they finally have the tools more traditional HPC systems have. That's that "Innovation" we hear so much about, right?
When the average person has a "thyroid disorder", it's no longer a disorder. Perhaps we should say that humans (somehow, specifically industrialized nation-dwelling humans) have evolved into a heftier variety. Perhaps not, because then some smart-assed scientist will just come along and point out that fat asses are FAR more common than thyroid problems after all.
Seriously, I used to weigh about 340 lbs. (154 kg) and never ONCE did I blame it on my "thyroid", I was even OFFERED the excuse my some kind-hearted but misguided people. No, my fat ass was Doritos and Mountain Dew congealed on top of my pelvis, and I think if you stop and pay attention to what the fat people are eating in the restaurants (count ALL the courses, and both appetizers) they'll realized that if there's a thyroid problem then the thyroid MUST have something to do with picking stuff up and putting it in your mouth.
I know, I sound harsh, and it's not really pointed at you some people, (probably like your dad) really DO have an actual thyroid issue, but for the vast majority it's just a super-great word that relieves them of all responsibility of action, and makes the 3 Big Macs they just ate a moot point, as they would be fat anyways, right?
I'm not a health nut, in fact I still look kinda mushy naked, but it's 190 pounds of mushy, not 340, and all the difference in the world was food regulation. It's not like I eat great, I'm drinking a high-sugar soda right now (no corn syrup though, it's Jones) but I stop after 1 Big Mac, or after 2 (sometimes 3) pieces of pizza, not 3 Macs or a Large pizza to myself, like before.
In summary, thyroid issues can be a problem, but they are a very popular scapegoat as well.
I'm sorry, the right answer is unacceptable to you? Then keep doing it the expensive way. And inflating the actual work required to get the prices GP mentioned, that's priceless; it engendered a picture of people kept in a cage for 3 1/2 hours after making a normal 1/2 hour worth of purchases.
"In fact, until recently, the cheapest diet you could get was strictly fast-food."
Do you have any kind of source to back this up? I find this little nugget very very hard to swallow. A VERY CHEAP combo meal from any fast food place will cost you $4 U.S. per person while I've been feeding a family of 7 for about $10 a meal. That $10 can cover a wide variety of meals, and it feeds the whole family every time.
I think the Dollar Menu mentality has made people forget that the pack of pasta that costs $2, mixed with a can of sauce that costs $4 produces the same amount of food as 10 - 15 Dollar Menu items at any fast food place.
(sorry about bad formatting, slashdot seems to be being silly)
And the last time I checked the World Wildlife Fund hasn't gotten into professional wrestling. Not only that, but they get REALLY PISSED when you goad their bears into it.
Have you seen "That Ain't Right?", Bob Saget's latest comedy special? If not, I highly recommend it, especially if you think of Saget as Danny Tanner, it's outrageously amusing.
No, Saget isn't Carlin, not even close, but the comparison the GP used is a valid one, from that particular point of view.
You've gone from offensive language based on vocabulary to psychological manipulation to the point of being worse than violence? Wow, that's a hell of a stretch. I'll let you know now, that the only mental path that goes from the former to the latter leads directly to irrelevancy and derision.
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I think so, were you the black-booted thug (I say black-booted instead of jackbooted because it's the boots he wore that got him caught) that was a cop PRETENDING to be a protester and actually trying to start riots?
You know, the ones wearing black, with black handkerchiefs covering their faces, and their police issue (oops) footwear that happened to be noticed by one of the 'rioters' who was trying to stop the violence from happening?
Sooo, how the Hell are you? I noticed you disappeared from the justice system as soon as your buddies put you in the back of the car, I assume you got your paycheck instead of an indictment...
Well, it's been swell reminiscing, I'll let you get back to your provocation.
(in all fairness, I may be confusing two protests that happened in the same time period)
Well then you should get rid of the WMDs that our sources say you're building. We can't have the proof that you're building them be a mushroom cloud, so we'll be right over to check things out.
*speaking to the troops* Guard the mines boys, while our weapons inspector, led by Mark Fuhrman, plant^Wsearch for "inappropriate" materials.
Sooooooo, how many unwanted babies HAVE you adopted? Riiight.
I think the whole abortion debate could be ended quickly with a PUBLIC vote. You go in, and if you pull one of the stronger 'no abortion' choices, you get to go home with a brand new unwanted (in more than one way now) baby.
That would put a REAL QUICK end to the circle-jerk of hypocrisy that is the 'Right To (a shitty) Life" movement.
Now, I know some of you REALLY DO put your life (AND money, lots of it in fact) where your mouth is, and HAVE adopted. Good for you, and you get a free pass on my 'hypocrite' claim for actually standing up for your convictions. Your contributions will continue to be considered, the rest of you should put up or shut up.
LOL, humans and our egocentric worldview.
I hate to break it to you, but human suffering doesn't even come CLOSE to ranking anywhere on any scale of 'important cosmic events".
If you want to 'wax philosophical' about a supreme being of some type, try imagining all the destruction that occurs when a star ignites, or explodes for that matter. What about when galaxies collide?
There are far FAR more important things going on in the universe than humanity. Ouchy-booboos (even torturous death) are COMPLETELY INSIGNIFICANT in the grand scheme of the cosmos, and expecting any Grand Cosmic Architect (if such exists) to plan the universe in a way that minimalizes human suffering is hubris of the highest order.
I happen to find speeding more morally offensive than non-armed robbery, drug use, embezzlement, etc. (many many more).
Nope, not being a troll, it's absolutely true, but maybe that's because speeding KILLS (a close member of my family, actually), but many other crimes are either victimless (LOL @ victimless "crimes") or they are property denial crimes.
See, that's the part I don't get about gun control... Liberals -KNOW BETTER- than to trust the police, so why is it when the discussion turns to gun control do the police all of the sudden become some shiny-armored knight, trusted with the awesome power of destruction above all others? What about that piece of tin on their chest makes them more moral, or more humble (arrogance + the only gun allowed = professionalism?!?), or more reasonable? I've known cops, and there's nothing NOTHING about them at all that makes them any more capable of using a firearm correctly, in fact many of the cops I've known were aggressive bully types, precisely the kind of people you DON'T want getting access to arms.
I really don't get it. I'll be in favor of gun control when it's UNIVERSAL, including the tin-shielded overlords.
You're saying that that's the meaning of life? To correlate some vast database? Wow, that explains some things. From at glance at human society, I'd say that we're crunching some backwater (from the superuniversal scale, of course) marketing database.
But I'm an optimist. :-)
I want to simplify what parent is saying: science is by definition without bias. It doesn't care if lightening is electricity or God's Wrath Made Manifest, it just provides a way to determine the causality of the phenomenon.
Okay, so we know science has weighed in on my example, and it's electricity. Cool. It may very well happen that we'll find out that electricity is symptomatic of God's Wrath (okay, probably not, but run with it). Science, REAL science, will likely POINT TO THAT CONCLUSION. It doesn't care, it's not offended, and when people think science is "at war" with ANYTHING they become guilty of conceptual-personification on the order of any theologian, IMHO.
Here's my outlook on that: yeah, it's science, but once you realize that science is a big spinning wheel (Observe, Hypothesize, Experiment, GOTO Observe) and that String Theory is stuck in it's first revolution (unable to reach 'Experiment' properly) it becomes clear that it's not going anywhere yet.
Similarly, a pickup truck stuck in 5 feet of mud isn't going anywhere, but it's still a 'vehicle', and could even still be called a 'method of transport', unfortunately unable to perform it's function properly.
Hey, look on the bright side though, once someone comes around to pull that truck out of the mud, you now have your vehicle. If we don't extinct ourselves first, we might just get String Theory out of it's mud pit. Even then, it might not be correct, but that's okay too. As per the truck analogy, what if you get it pulled out of the mud, but you need to transport 35 people? Well, getting it out of the mud would let you use the truck to make it to a bus (theory wrong per test data, data leads to new theories).
Point is, don't be so hard on String Theory, but continue to point out it's immobile status to people who keep getting in and spinning it's wheels. Exceptions can be made for the rare brilliant mechanic who comes along, and though not freeing the truck, adds a feature that will make it (possibly) more useful when it does become usable. Most people should continue walking towards where we need to go though, as sitting in the cab and making engine noises isn't going to get us anywhere.
I agree, mostly. It's been a while, but I remember the Scientific Method as being: Observation, Hypothesis, Experimentation, GOTO Observation. You've already described how the system can be useful in the Observation stage, and I submit to you the idea that it also is assisting the Hypothesis stage as well.
For some reason, you seem to insinuate that with the new 'data blob' method, you Observe, Hypothesize, and then run with the results as if that's all that need be done. For example, I'll suggest that your 'ice-cream, drowning' correlation (though simplistic, it's a good analogy) is EXACTLY the type of correlations that we humans have made over the years USING the scientific method, but because of the cyclical 'GOTO Observe' step of the SM, we test the new models we've built and find that there is a flaw in our model. There is nothing about this new technique that makes further refinement and testing of the model unapplicable.
That being said, the very first line of my post still stands, I agree with you, in that at most this new technique will represent a tool of learning. People will need to do much of the 'fine tuning' (and outright rejection) of the models presented to us, as well as being (IMHO) incredibly more efficient at the 'design' phase of the 'Experimentation' step, due to our natural creativity. Whether said 'creativity' can be simulated is a topic for another thread, and would only apply in highly advanced models of the system we are talking about, so it's not relevant to this real-world-tech conversation.
Well, ya can't blame them, two hits of double-dipped polygamy can really boost your outlook on life!
pssst; iSex is called "cyber" and there is NO protection that will stop your 19 y/o female bisexual cheerleader cyber-partner from turning back into the male 45 y/o laid-off McDonald's manager when "she's" done.
Well, if it were REQUIRED to jump off of a bridge to reproduce, we'd either jump or go extinct, right?
I guarantee you that if jumping off bridges was a biological imperative necessary to the act of reproduction, that cute little saying you used wouldn't exist, EVERYONE'S parents would have jumped off of bridges, and NOT jumping off of bridges would be considered abnormal behavior.
"Windows has reported an error:
Cluster:fucked
Press any key on any terminal to reboot"
When the average person has a "thyroid disorder", it's no longer a disorder. Perhaps we should say that humans (somehow, specifically industrialized nation-dwelling humans) have evolved into a heftier variety. Perhaps not, because then some smart-assed scientist will just come along and point out that fat asses are FAR more common than thyroid problems after all.
Seriously, I used to weigh about 340 lbs. (154 kg) and never ONCE did I blame it on my "thyroid", I was even OFFERED the excuse my some kind-hearted but misguided people. No, my fat ass was Doritos and Mountain Dew congealed on top of my pelvis, and I think if you stop and pay attention to what the fat people are eating in the restaurants (count ALL the courses, and both appetizers) they'll realized that if there's a thyroid problem then the thyroid MUST have something to do with picking stuff up and putting it in your mouth.
I know, I sound harsh, and it's not really pointed at you some people, (probably like your dad) really DO have an actual thyroid issue, but for the vast majority it's just a super-great word that relieves them of all responsibility of action, and makes the 3 Big Macs they just ate a moot point, as they would be fat anyways, right?
I'm not a health nut, in fact I still look kinda mushy naked, but it's 190 pounds of mushy, not 340, and all the difference in the world was food regulation. It's not like I eat great, I'm drinking a high-sugar soda right now (no corn syrup though, it's Jones) but I stop after 1 Big Mac, or after 2 (sometimes 3) pieces of pizza, not 3 Macs or a Large pizza to myself, like before.
In summary, thyroid issues can be a problem, but they are a very popular scapegoat as well.
I'm sorry, the right answer is unacceptable to you? Then keep doing it the expensive way. And inflating the actual work required to get the prices GP mentioned, that's priceless; it engendered a picture of people kept in a cage for 3 1/2 hours after making a normal 1/2 hour worth of purchases.
"In fact, until recently, the cheapest diet you could get was strictly fast-food."
Do you have any kind of source to back this up? I find this little nugget very very hard to swallow. A VERY CHEAP combo meal from any fast food place will cost you $4 U.S. per person while I've been feeding a family of 7 for about $10 a meal. That $10 can cover a wide variety of meals, and it feeds the whole family every time.
I think the Dollar Menu mentality has made people forget that the pack of pasta that costs $2, mixed with a can of sauce that costs $4 produces the same amount of food as 10 - 15 Dollar Menu items at any fast food place.
(sorry about bad formatting, slashdot seems to be being silly)
"With a name like Painful Rectal Itch, it has to be good."
--Saturday Night Live skit, late 1970s(?)
I bet Smuckers thought that was just HILARIOUS.
You missed what just happened, the GP let slip his encryption technique... ROT31.
Have you seen "That Ain't Right?", Bob Saget's latest comedy special? If not, I highly recommend it, especially if you think of Saget as Danny Tanner, it's outrageously amusing.
No, Saget isn't Carlin, not even close, but the comparison the GP used is a valid one, from that particular point of view.
If your 'integrity' is reliant on other people's vocabulary choices, it's not very integral, now is it?
You've gone from offensive language based on vocabulary to psychological manipulation to the point of being worse than violence? Wow, that's a hell of a stretch. I'll let you know now, that the only mental path that goes from the former to the latter leads directly to irrelevancy and derision.