That was one of the most impressive proof of concepts I've seen in a slashdot post for a long time. Hell, if I were him/her I'm pretty sure that would send a shiver down my spine.
All that and you're just a slahdotter who knows the magic word for getting information, google.com.
Oh, I think I get it, you're not worried about the tags actually getting to a client, just throwing off comcast on the way to slashdot, right? Or am I missing something too?
I really don't know the answer to this, but what about AMD's hypertransport? Is that what you're looking for? From what I can gather it's basically PCI-e but with processor scale latencies and bus speeds.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought when I saw this too, also that it might be the beginning of the end for high-powered single-function console type computers. You know, like professional midi controllers, high end audio processing gear, video editing boards, stuff like that. Looks to me like pretty soon people are going to be able to use the same platform for all of those, with different processor combinations.
Like if you had a platform with, I dunno, say 4 chips per system.... server: 4x general purpose CPUs , at quad cores that's 16 cores of hot server love. archiving: 1x CPU 3x compression/decompression chip, or 1x CPU 2x codec chips and 1x encryption chip... I could go on and on like this, it's fun to think about actually.
And imagine the new market for chips! They have produced (or are in the works) things like a game AI chip, a physics simulator chip, all manner of codec chips, encryption chips, graphics, sound, servers of all types (http+scripting, network fileserver, irc, whatever)on a chip, floating point... wow. Now we'll start seeing things like a Google search chip at Wal-Mart (you can probably get a Google rack unit at Sam's now, come to think of it, but that's beside the point) and possibly even something like game companies putting whole game engines on a chip and slingin them bad boys with a certificate to let you pick out 2 of the tens or hundreds of the games that run on it or something.
One added bonus, to ME at least, but I know there's other out there... Ever since I was a little boy with my VIC-20 I've dreamt of pretty much exactly this. I mean pretty much exactly. This mix and match bag of actual processors is a hacker(original usage)'s wet dream, allowing optimized execution of any ole processing you need done.
So, in short, like the announcer from the game Smash T.V. IIIIIIIIIIII LIKE IT!
Okay, really, I'm not trying to be a dick here, but I still don't see what the big difference is. Yes, there are many cosmetic differences, but what you linked to seemed to me to be like an advanced for of auto-surveys. Cool, we know what people are listening to... Radio stations ALREADY know what people are listening to...
Yes, many many differences, but all of them are variations on the same business model. And none of these changes require such draconian methods of capital regulation. Read the original article again, really. This isn't standard business, this is extortion.
And regarding the last bit, just because the action isn't criminal doesn't mean the people pulling it off aren't.
Man, when are you middle class capitalists going to understand how unfavorably the table is being tilted away from you. I'm not a communist, I'm pointing out an example of how people of OUR (middle) class are ever so steadily sliding away from real economic gains.
Selective snipping and taking things out of context as you have, shows rather a lot of bias. WTF?!?! I posted one link to one article and didn't even comment on the damn thing! Call the dogs off there Attacky McOffense and stop putting words, hell, apparently whole RANTS into my mouth.
I regularly read the sight that the article I linked to links to, but I posted the about.com article because I thought you might like that source better than a progressive news service webpage commondreams.org, and the site that THAT article originally came from is a pay-subscription site... I was trying to link to a non-partisan source for you, in spite of my 'bias' that somehow came shining through in 10 words. If I picked that site out of any 'flaw' of mine it was laziness, as in too lazy to do an in depth search for someone who I knew wasn't interested in hearing it anyways, and just wanted to be a smart ass.
I agree with you about that whole thing being a 1st amendment right, and have been aware of that aspect of the story for a while now. Just cause he's allowed to say it doesn't make it less suspicious. If there is an outbreak of hangings in a town where the KKK just happens to be exercising their 1st Amendment rights up and down the street every day for a month, would you be suspicious? You SHOULD be, unless the hangings don't bother you too much.
There is an abundance of evidence that both the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen, yes STOLEN, as in theft, as in took my vote from me. Why doesn't THAT piss you off? because they took mine and made it more like yours? It would piss ME off if they took YOURS and made it more like MINE.
And to all the cute little 'well why didn't it work in 2006 then?' comments, I've got a theory. Maybe they've (they as in the GOP machine) run the probabilities through a anti-unrest database to predict how many votes they can steal before the threat of armed uprising becomes too significant. Maybe they didn't wanna see how far into the red they could dip. I dunno, just a theory, but it's enough to kick "there was no fraud because the republicans didn't win this time" crap right in the nuts.
Since this artice IS about diebold and e-voting if you'd like I'll dig up link after link for you about the vote being stolen - in many different ways.
That's not free market adaptation, in fact, it's the antithesis of free market adaptation, but you (should) already know that.
And what, exactly, IS the big difference between the business models we're talking about here? Enlighten me.
Oh, and I'm not in the radio business, online or offline, I was just calling you on your free-market buzzword tossing BS that was completely anti-free-market.
My original point stands as presented: Just because an action favors the big guy doesn't make it free-market, white-collar criminals just like to say it does.
I suspect you make many more dollars than I do, but I think I make more sense. (bad pun, but I thought it was cute)
I'm not arguing, but I can't find where the Educational Community License 1.0 fails to qualify as free software, under gnu.org's definition. I mean, it's not on the list, but it's not on the list of licenses that AREN'T free either, it's not been listed at all.
Right, like the record labels are 'adapting' by begging the government for a law-backed anti-technology campaign. Seriously, you don't see this draconian extortion scheme being pushed on the tradition over-the-air broadcasters do you? Why? it's the same business model, just different a transport service. Something to do with content control would be MY guess.
And since WHEN does a free-market economy mean lobbying for more regulation? Just because an action favors the big guy doesn't make it free-market, it's just fun to pretend it does while browsing your stock portfolio.
If this is all news to you, then I guess the only thing to say is...
Welcome to slashdot. This is a place where we talk about issues of the day that relate (even if only vaguely) to technology. Over the past decade or so the running commentary has included lots and lots of stories about the very topics mentioned by the GP (grandparent-poster, the person you responded to).
I'm not your google, so if you really want to know what the GP was talking about, just search slashdot for the terms you surrounded with ellipses.
A quick look at your user number shows that you've been here longer than I've had this current handle (which is a while now) so you should damn well know better than to feign ignorance to those topics. If you disagree that's one thing, but to act like the GP was making all that up is just being a troll/flamebait.
By the way "Utopian Socialist", I have an outdoor structure I need built. Come on over and build it and I will give you some writing in exchange. Well, judging by the contents of your post, any writings you've done are gonna have a pretty fucking low value-to-volume ratio. I'd say a Britannica sized volume should be worth the time I could put into making you a, say, shoe shine box? The market is flooded with shit-mouthed sarcasm at the moment, so you shouldn't expect much demand, economics and all, you know.
See, right there you fail in your logic, and I'll tell you why, though I suspect you already know this.
DRM stops NO ONE from copying music illegally. That's right, pirates don't care about DRM from their pirate point of view because DRM can be removed. Every kind of DRM so far? Yep, every single kind.
So no, it doesn't stop anyone from copying music, what it DOES do is slow down the computer, annoy the piss out of legitimate users and, here's the important one, make criminals out of people who are doing something they are completely within their rights in doing, like backing up a DVD, or even taking a virtual copy of it with you on the road as a file on your laptop.
As far as the "most people are just leeches...blah blah blah, bullshit, trite faux-wisdom" bullshit you and your ilk spout, well I think you immoral fucks are just projecting your own anti-social behaviors onto us decent folk. Stop saying that I'm a menace to society because YOU have the urge to be.
Oh, and when you tell someone to grow up, then sling a "twats" out there like that, it's a hit to your credibility as a critical thinker, just a tip.
Which is why -I- don't write articles... I think it would probably be similar.
But, a suggestion to you, someone who seems to know a bit about text presentation, help the GP out and organize the information for them. I mean, if you care enough, I don't know if you do or not. Or at least a small chunk of it, just as a preview. Sometimes really creative people get caught in the creativity (and creativity doesn't mean 'making things up' it can be connecting the right dots in the jumble as well) at the expense of organization and clarity of presentation.
If this comes across as a sarcastic bash or something like that, it's not meant to be such, it's meant to be a helpful suggestion.
While you do draw very valid distinctions between the two, and I don't think that the original poster implied an EQUALITY between the two organizations, there are surely some similarities also.
I think the big similarity being pointed at is the tendency of both organizations to 'bully' smaller competitors (even if said competition is purely potential or even imagined potential) through unreasonable means. Though MS may not resort to outright PHYSICAL assault on it's prey (and it DOES have 'prey') it HAS been known to resort to propaganda attacks, fiscal assaults and even coercive intimidation. They both use their weight to knock around anyone who does toe the line, and invariably it is a line they they themselves have drawn.
Again, murder is far far worse than a forceful buyout and liquidation, but both are strongarm techniques.
I mean, that's a nice sentiment and all, but posting an obscure 'we're not liable for anything, go fuck yourself' Terms and Conditions page somewhere in the maze of pages on your site doesn't make you any less liable under current advertising laws.
This is even worse. This is the same as you going in with your flyer, asking for the item at the price on the flyer and then being told "that's not our flyer, this is" and shown another flyer with a higher price on it, only this second 'official' flyer is for in store use only, and cannot be seen by those not in the store.
That's not just bait and switch, it's actually switching the bait and hoping you're stupid enough not to notice. Either way, it's illegal.
I was thinking about that myself recently, what 'people' means to the U.S. as a concept, specifically in the frame of 'government of the people, by the people and for the people'.
I think 'people' == 'corporations'.
Strange... Not quite the same as 'people' in PRC, but not too damn far from it either, from a hierarchal point of view.
...? What? What part of the GPs post is now being called into question?
Are you saying that the labels 'intelligent' and 'motivated' can only be applied to those with a degree? Or are you saying that because the guy isn't a doctor of theology somehow wiki is no longer a robust source of information?
And one last bit, it always makes me smile seeing some sorry assed AC sling a 'moron' or 'idiot' at someone who's point they didn't invalidate one tiny bit.
OTTAWA - Only days after the Supreme Court struck down parts of the security-certificate regime as unconstitutional, Prime Minister Stephen Harper vowed to "sustain" the system used to detain non-citizens believed to pose a national-security threat. Awww, isn't that cute, he thinks he's Bush.
I have a feeling Canadians won't take the same 'I'm the decider' bullshit a large chunk of my fellow Americans seem to think is how things get done.
I cannot think of one 'decision' that that man has made that worked out good for U.S. citizens, let alone other peoples of the world.
Don't let it happen to you Canada, I love your country, especially from the ages of 19 to 21, I really REALLY loved Canada. 30 minute drive, 20 minute border crossing, off to the bar!
No, just because someone doesn't use the Queen's English doesn't mean they aren't intelligent.
In fact, I think the more a person can deviate from standard usage while still successfully conveying the concept they are trying to communicate shows high creativity. Not the same as intelligence, but highly related, especially considering the specific type of intelligence we're talking about.
This is exactly what I thought when I read the original post. Lossy codecs are watermark killers, aren't they? I mean, even if they don't wipe it completely out, they would certainly chew it up a bit... In fact, assuming the watermarks are designed so that people can't hear them, wouldn't most compression routines pretty much ignore them, thus stripping them out?
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*whistles*
That was one of the most impressive proof of concepts I've seen in a slashdot post for a long time. Hell, if I were him/her I'm pretty sure that would send a shiver down my spine.
All that and you're just a slahdotter who knows the magic word for getting information, google.com.
No tags in my page source either.
Oh, I think I get it, you're not worried about the tags actually getting to a client, just throwing off comcast on the way to slashdot, right? Or am I missing something too?
I really don't know the answer to this, but what about AMD's hypertransport? Is that what you're looking for? From what I can gather it's basically PCI-e but with processor scale latencies and bus speeds.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought when I saw this too, also that it might be the beginning of the end for high-powered single-function console type computers. You know, like professional midi controllers, high end audio processing gear, video editing boards, stuff like that. Looks to me like pretty soon people are going to be able to use the same platform for all of those, with different processor combinations.
... I could go on and on like this, it's fun to think about actually.
Like if you had a platform with, I dunno, say 4 chips per system....
server: 4x general purpose CPUs , at quad cores that's 16 cores of hot server love.
archiving: 1x CPU 3x compression/decompression chip, or 1x CPU 2x codec chips and 1x encryption chip
And imagine the new market for chips! They have produced (or are in the works) things like a game AI chip, a physics simulator chip, all manner of codec chips, encryption chips, graphics, sound, servers of all types (http+scripting, network fileserver, irc, whatever)on a chip, floating point... wow.
Now we'll start seeing things like a Google search chip at Wal-Mart (you can probably get a Google rack unit at Sam's now, come to think of it, but that's beside the point) and possibly even something like game companies putting whole game engines on a chip and slingin them bad boys with a certificate to let you pick out 2 of the tens or hundreds of the games that run on it or something.
One added bonus, to ME at least, but I know there's other out there... Ever since I was a little boy with my VIC-20 I've dreamt of pretty much exactly this. I mean pretty much exactly. This mix and match bag of actual processors is a hacker(original usage)'s wet dream, allowing optimized execution of any ole processing you need done.
So, in short, like the announcer from the game Smash T.V. IIIIIIIIIIII LIKE IT!
Okay, really, I'm not trying to be a dick here, but I still don't see what the big difference is. Yes, there are many cosmetic differences, but what you linked to seemed to me to be like an advanced for of auto-surveys. Cool, we know what people are listening to... Radio stations ALREADY know what people are listening to...
Yes, many many differences, but all of them are variations on the same business model. And none of these changes require such draconian methods of capital regulation. Read the original article again, really. This isn't standard business, this is extortion.
And regarding the last bit, just because the action isn't criminal doesn't mean the people pulling it off aren't.
Man, when are you middle class capitalists going to understand how unfavorably the table is being tilted away from you. I'm not a communist, I'm pointing out an example of how people of OUR (middle) class are ever so steadily sliding away from real economic gains.
I regularly read the sight that the article I linked to links to, but I posted the about.com article because I thought you might like that source better than a progressive news service webpage commondreams.org, and the site that THAT article originally came from is a pay-subscription site... I was trying to link to a non-partisan source for you, in spite of my 'bias' that somehow came shining through in 10 words. If I picked that site out of any 'flaw' of mine it was laziness, as in too lazy to do an in depth search for someone who I knew wasn't interested in hearing it anyways, and just wanted to be a smart ass.
I agree with you about that whole thing being a 1st amendment right, and have been aware of that aspect of the story for a while now. Just cause he's allowed to say it doesn't make it less suspicious. If there is an outbreak of hangings in a town where the KKK just happens to be exercising their 1st Amendment rights up and down the street every day for a month, would you be suspicious? You SHOULD be, unless the hangings don't bother you too much.
There is an abundance of evidence that both the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen, yes STOLEN, as in theft, as in took my vote from me. Why doesn't THAT piss you off? because they took mine and made it more like yours? It would piss ME off if they took YOURS and made it more like MINE.
And to all the cute little 'well why didn't it work in 2006 then?' comments, I've got a theory. Maybe they've (they as in the GOP machine) run the probabilities through a anti-unrest database to predict how many votes they can steal before the threat of armed uprising becomes too significant. Maybe they didn't wanna see how far into the red they could dip. I dunno, just a theory, but it's enough to kick "there was no fraud because the republicans didn't win this time" crap right in the nuts.
Since this artice IS about diebold and e-voting if you'd like I'll dig up link after link for you about the vote being stolen - in many different ways.
http://uspolitics.about.com/b/a/207510.htm
Third paragraph in.
That's what the GP was talking about.
That's all -I- needed to do, and got a mild chuckle out of it.
A mild chuckle is pretty good, and at least I got the joke.
Mod parent up! This is sanity rarely seen on this or any other forum.
That's not free market adaptation, in fact, it's the antithesis of free market adaptation, but you (should) already know that.
And what, exactly, IS the big difference between the business models we're talking about here? Enlighten me.
Oh, and I'm not in the radio business, online or offline, I was just calling you on your free-market buzzword tossing BS that was completely anti-free-market.
My original point stands as presented: Just because an action favors the big guy doesn't make it free-market, white-collar criminals just like to say it does.
I suspect you make many more dollars than I do, but I think I make more sense. (bad pun, but I thought it was cute)
I'm not arguing, but I can't find where the Educational Community License 1.0 fails to qualify as free software, under gnu.org's definition. I mean, it's not on the list, but it's not on the list of licenses that AREN'T free either, it's not been listed at all.
Just trying to see what you mean.
Right, like the record labels are 'adapting' by begging the government for a law-backed anti-technology campaign.
Seriously, you don't see this draconian extortion scheme being pushed on the tradition over-the-air broadcasters do you? Why? it's the same business model, just different a transport service. Something to do with content control would be MY guess.
And since WHEN does a free-market economy mean lobbying for more regulation? Just because an action favors the big guy doesn't make it free-market, it's just fun to pretend it does while browsing your stock portfolio.
If this is all news to you, then I guess the only thing to say is...
Welcome to slashdot. This is a place where we talk about issues of the day that relate (even if only vaguely) to technology. Over the past decade or so the running commentary has included lots and lots of stories about the very topics mentioned by the GP (grandparent-poster, the person you responded to).
I'm not your google, so if you really want to know what the GP was talking about, just search slashdot for the terms you surrounded with ellipses.
A quick look at your user number shows that you've been here longer than I've had this current handle (which is a while now) so you should damn well know better than to feign ignorance to those topics. If you disagree that's one thing, but to act like the GP was making all that up is just being a troll/flamebait.
See, right there you fail in your logic, and I'll tell you why, though I suspect you already know this.
DRM stops NO ONE from copying music illegally. That's right, pirates don't care about DRM from their pirate point of view because DRM can be removed. Every kind of DRM so far? Yep, every single kind.
So no, it doesn't stop anyone from copying music, what it DOES do is slow down the computer, annoy the piss out of legitimate users and, here's the important one, make criminals out of people who are doing something they are completely within their rights in doing, like backing up a DVD, or even taking a virtual copy of it with you on the road as a file on your laptop.
As far as the "most people are just leeches...blah blah blah, bullshit, trite faux-wisdom" bullshit you and your ilk spout, well I think you immoral fucks are just projecting your own anti-social behaviors onto us decent folk. Stop saying that I'm a menace to society because YOU have the urge to be.
Oh, and when you tell someone to grow up, then sling a "twats" out there like that, it's a hit to your credibility as a critical thinker, just a tip.
Which is why -I- don't write articles... I think it would probably be similar.
But, a suggestion to you, someone who seems to know a bit about text presentation, help the GP out and organize the information for them. I mean, if you care enough, I don't know if you do or not. Or at least a small chunk of it, just as a preview. Sometimes really creative people get caught in the creativity (and creativity doesn't mean 'making things up' it can be connecting the right dots in the jumble as well) at the expense of organization and clarity of presentation.
If this comes across as a sarcastic bash or something like that, it's not meant to be such, it's meant to be a helpful suggestion.
While you do draw very valid distinctions between the two, and I don't think that the original poster implied an EQUALITY between the two organizations, there are surely some similarities also.
I think the big similarity being pointed at is the tendency of both organizations to 'bully' smaller competitors (even if said competition is purely potential or even imagined potential) through unreasonable means. Though MS may not resort to outright PHYSICAL assault on it's prey (and it DOES have 'prey') it HAS been known to resort to propaganda attacks, fiscal assaults and even coercive intimidation. They both use their weight to knock around anyone who does toe the line, and invariably it is a line they they themselves have drawn.
Again, murder is far far worse than a forceful buyout and liquidation, but both are strongarm techniques.
I mean, that's a nice sentiment and all, but posting an obscure 'we're not liable for anything, go fuck yourself' Terms and Conditions page somewhere in the maze of pages on your site doesn't make you any less liable under current advertising laws.
This is even worse. This is the same as you going in with your flyer, asking for the item at the price on the flyer and then being told "that's not our flyer, this is" and shown another flyer with a higher price on it, only this second 'official' flyer is for in store use only, and cannot be seen by those not in the store.
That's not just bait and switch, it's actually switching the bait and hoping you're stupid enough not to notice.
Either way, it's illegal.
Mod parent informative, please.
This is something people should really understand.
I was thinking about that myself recently, what 'people' means to the U.S. as a concept, specifically in the frame of 'government of the people, by the people and for the people'.
I think 'people' == 'corporations'.
Strange... Not quite the same as 'people' in PRC, but not too damn far from it either, from a hierarchal point of view.
...? What? What part of the GPs post is now being called into question?
Are you saying that the labels 'intelligent' and 'motivated' can only be applied to those with a degree?
Or are you saying that because the guy isn't a doctor of theology somehow wiki is no longer a robust source of information?
And one last bit, it always makes me smile seeing some sorry assed AC sling a 'moron' or 'idiot' at someone who's point they didn't invalidate one tiny bit.
I have a feeling Canadians won't take the same 'I'm the decider' bullshit a large chunk of my fellow Americans seem to think is how things get done.
I cannot think of one 'decision' that that man has made that worked out good for U.S. citizens, let alone other peoples of the world.
Don't let it happen to you Canada, I love your country, especially from the ages of 19 to 21, I really REALLY loved Canada. 30 minute drive, 20 minute border crossing, off to the bar!
I'm not gonna take my time arguing with you. It is apparent to me that you are a spoiled child with no concept of anything but your personal desires.
And a troll, a big fucking troll, your sig is all the proof of that that anyone needs.
Like someone said earlier, grow up.
No, just because someone doesn't use the Queen's English doesn't mean they aren't intelligent.
In fact, I think the more a person can deviate from standard usage while still successfully conveying the concept they are trying to communicate shows high creativity. Not the same as intelligence, but highly related, especially considering the specific type of intelligence we're talking about.
This is exactly what I thought when I read the original post. Lossy codecs are watermark killers, aren't they? I mean, even if they don't wipe it completely out, they would certainly chew it up a bit... In fact, assuming the watermarks are designed so that people can't hear them, wouldn't most compression routines pretty much ignore them, thus stripping them out?