I heard that IBM and Apple were genuinely scared when the A1000 came out, but when they saw that Commodore was going to market the thing as a games machine they knew that Commodore had screwed up and did not understand what they owned. Commodore were idiots.
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I heard that Linus almost got an Amiga, and was gutted to get a PC instead. I guess it worked out okay in the end though - if he'd had an Amiga he wouldn't have needed to write a decent OS (Linux) to run on it.
"I herad in Ireland they can vote for a 2nd and 3rd choice (etc?), and if their 1st choice is loosing the vote goes to the 2nd."
You're quite right - in the Republic of Ireland they use the Single Transferable Vote (STV) system (a form of proportional representation). There are a number of different systems of PR, each with their pros and cons. Any of them however are better than first-past-the-post.
If 10% of voters nationally vote for a fringe party, shouldn't 10% of your representatives come from that fringe party? Is a system in which not everyones votes count truely democratic?
Linus doesn't say anything about expecting these machines to supercede the x86, he's just saying which 1994 platforms he'd like to see Linux ported to. They seem like a good choice to me - I read somewhere that Linus would have preferred to have got an Amiga over a PC when he was at uni, and everyone loves Alphas don't they.
In a first-past-the-post system like the one employed in the US, a vote for any party other than the 2 front runners is a wasted vote. Until you get a system where everyones votes count (such as proportional representation) you must effectively vote against which of the 2 front runners you dislike most.
"He had absolutely no regard for human life. I believe he was a cowboy. There were four or five that I noticed earlier and this one had broken off and was on his own when he attacked us. He'd just gone out on a jolly." ... "To be honest, I think they are just ignorant. I don't know if they haven't been trained or are just trigger happy."
"We had far left radicals like Dean and Kucinich..."
I think it shows how skewed America is to the right when people start describing Dean and Kucinich as "far left". The truth of the matter is that the Republicans are a far right party and the Democrats are centre right.
"The U.S. military is the most technologically advanced, well-armed, and well-trained army in the history of the world."
I'll agree with most technologically advanced and well-armed, but they are most certainly not the most well-trained, as any family who has lost a son to American friendly fire will testify.
What could be better then drag and drop for visual feedback? Issues about windows not closing when the close widget had been clicked are implementation problems - a good GUI will close the window instantly.
An anonymous reader writes "I found this while searching for Perl Jobs in India: "The Microsoft Next Generation Shell Team is designing and developing a new command line scripting environment from the ground up. The new shell and utilities, based on the.NET Frameworks, will provide a very rich object-based mechanism for managing system properties. To be delivered in the next release of Windows, it will include the attributes of competitors' shells (e.g. aliases, job control, command substitution, pipelines, regular expressions, transparent remote execution) plus rich features based on Windows and.NET (e.g. command discovery via.NET reflection API's, object-based properties/methods, 1:many server scripting, pervasive auto-complete)."
don.g writes "As reported by NTK, ESR appears to have embarked apon the process of recasting the Jargon File in his own image, adding terms like "Aunt Tillie" and "GhandiCon" that he dreamt up and seemingly no-one else uses, and various terms from (of all places) the warblogging community, where he is active. He's also updated the "Hacker Politics" page to be more closely aligned with his own views."
"point-and-click and drag-and-drop don't encourage any actual understanding of ways in which a computer interprets commands."
How does moving a file using the command line rather then dragging and dropping it in a GUI encourage "understanding of ways in which a computer interprets commands"? They're just different interfaces.
If I install some speech recognition software on my Mums Windows box, will the new command based interface encourage "understanding of ways in which a computer interprets commands"?
While most users who know how to use the command line also have a good understanding of how computers work, this knowledge is not the result of them having to use the command line.
I guess if you'd had an Amiga or Atari ST during the late eighties/early nineties you might think a little differently. The majority of games for those platforms was European (probably because these machines didn't sell well in the US market).
Back then of course you could still write a game yourself and take it to a publisher. Nowadays it's all teams of 50+ people, and noone will risk investing in a quirky idea anymore. It's a shame really.
"this same outdated religious code tells us to love one another"
Funny that. If you compare America which is by all accounts pretty religious with the much more secular Europe, which has more murders? Which frequently attacks less powerful countries?
Atheists can have morals. And when they do it's not because they're scared of going to hell if they don't.
"the british legal system seems to be based on the concept of writing broad, generalize laws"
Britains legal system uses case law or common law like the US and other countries that were part of the British empire. "Broad generalised laws" suggest civil law (where law is based on universal principles), a system that is not employed in the UK.
It depends what you're coding. If you're just programming Java then you're right - it's not that hard, but there are areas where programming is difficult. At these levels coding is an aptitude - you've either got it or you haven't.
I use fluxbox as my current window manager, but I'm not to happy with it. It's fast, functions well but really is missing somethings (file explorer, configuration menus, things like that).
My point was that FluxBox is not missing anything - it's not (and doesn't pretend to be) a desktop environment. You can use KDE/GNOME apps with FluxBox if you like though.
"- For whatever reason, my desktop occasionally gets switched to a Firefox virtual desktop I often keep open. Probably due to some javascript/focus thing with Firefox, but I hadn't noticed it before. Of course, somewhere along the line I upgraded Firefox, but I don't have the problem on a RH 8 system."
"MacOS users are used to slamming the cursor up to the top of the screen and clicking."
My current window manager, WindowLab goes one step further by constraining the mouse pointer to the menubar and only having one level of menus. While you can't have a hierarchy of submenus this does make it very quick to use.
"I use fluxbox as my current window manager, but I'm not to happy with it. It's fast, functions well but really is missing somethings (file explorer, configuration menus, things like that)."
FluxBox is a window manager. That is to say, it is a program that manages windows.
KDE and GNOME are "desktop environments". They are not single programs but suites of programs including a window manager that use the same toolkit.
Personally I don't see why people feel compelled to use these desktop environments. Mix and match your programs to find the combination that work best for you.
"Did you ever notice the help forums at code guru are very similar to product specs from rent-a-coder?"
A lot of the projects listed on rentacoder.com are students asking for people to help with their homewrok. It would make sense for these students to try and do the work themselves and ask for help on codeguru.com for free before they have to fork out money for the homework to be done for them via rentacoder.
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I heard that IBM and Apple were genuinely scared when the A1000 came out, but when they saw that Commodore was going to market the thing as a games machine they knew that Commodore had screwed up and did not understand what they owned. Commodore were idiots.
I heard that Linus almost got an Amiga, and was gutted to get a PC instead. I guess it worked out okay in the end though - if he'd had an Amiga he wouldn't have needed to write a decent OS (Linux) to run on it.
"I herad in Ireland they can vote for a 2nd and 3rd choice (etc?), and if their 1st choice is loosing the vote goes to the 2nd."
You're quite right - in the Republic of Ireland they use the Single Transferable Vote (STV) system (a form of proportional representation). There are a number of different systems of PR, each with their pros and cons. Any of them however are better than first-past-the-post.
If 10% of voters nationally vote for a fringe party, shouldn't 10% of your representatives come from that fringe party? Is a system in which not everyones votes count truely democratic?
Linus doesn't say anything about expecting these machines to supercede the x86, he's just saying which 1994 platforms he'd like to see Linux ported to. They seem like a good choice to me - I read somewhere that Linus would have preferred to have got an Amiga over a PC when he was at uni, and everyone loves Alphas don't they.
In a first-past-the-post system like the one employed in the US, a vote for any party other than the 2 front runners is a wasted vote. Until you get a system where everyones votes count (such as proportional representation) you must effectively vote against which of the 2 front runners you dislike most.
from this article: Wounded British soldiers condemn US 'cowboy' pilot
"He had absolutely no regard for human life. I believe he was a cowboy. There were four or five that I noticed earlier and this one had broken off and was on his own when he attacked us. He'd just gone out on a jolly."
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"To be honest, I think they are just ignorant. I don't know if they haven't been trained or are just trigger happy."
"gpl is not valid in germany"
Blimey, isn't it? How come?
"We had far left radicals like Dean and Kucinich..."
I think it shows how skewed America is to the right when people start describing Dean and Kucinich as "far left". The truth of the matter is that the Republicans are a far right party and the Democrats are centre right.
"The U.S. military is the most technologically advanced, well-armed, and well-trained army in the history of the world."
I'll agree with most technologically advanced and well-armed, but they are most certainly not the most well-trained, as any family who has lost a son to American friendly fire will testify.
What could be better then drag and drop for visual feedback? Issues about windows not closing when the close widget had been clicked are implementation problems - a good GUI will close the window instantly.
look here http://slashdot.org/articles/02/12/29/1349230.shtm l?tid=109
.NET Frameworks, will provide a very rich object-based mechanism for managing system properties. To be delivered in the next release of Windows, it will include the attributes of competitors' shells (e.g. aliases, job control, command substitution, pipelines, regular expressions, transparent remote execution) plus rich features based on Windows and .NET (e.g. command discovery via .NET reflection API's, object-based properties/methods, 1:many server scripting, pervasive auto-complete)."
An anonymous reader writes "I found this while searching for Perl Jobs in India:
"The Microsoft Next Generation Shell Team is designing and developing a new command line scripting environment from the ground up. The new shell and utilities, based on the
ESR - Is that you?
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don.g writes "As reported by NTK, ESR appears to have embarked apon the process of recasting the Jargon File in his own image, adding terms like "Aunt Tillie" and "GhandiCon" that he dreamt up and seemingly no-one else uses, and various terms from (of all places) the warblogging community, where he is active. He's also updated the "Hacker Politics" page to be more closely aligned with his own views."
"point-and-click and drag-and-drop don't encourage any actual understanding of ways in which a computer interprets commands."
How does moving a file using the command line rather then dragging and dropping it in a GUI encourage "understanding of ways in which a computer interprets commands"? They're just different interfaces.
If I install some speech recognition software on my Mums Windows box, will the new command based interface encourage "understanding of ways in which a computer interprets commands"?
While most users who know how to use the command line also have a good understanding of how computers work, this knowledge is not the result of them having to use the command line.
I guess if you'd had an Amiga or Atari ST during the late eighties/early nineties you might think a little differently. The majority of games for those platforms was European (probably because these machines didn't sell well in the US market).
Back then of course you could still write a game yourself and take it to a publisher. Nowadays it's all teams of 50+ people, and noone will risk investing in a quirky idea anymore. It's a shame really.
"this same outdated religious code tells us to love one another"
Funny that. If you compare America which is by all accounts pretty religious with the much more secular Europe, which has more murders? Which frequently attacks less powerful countries?
Atheists can have morals. And when they do it's not because they're scared of going to hell if they don't.
"the british legal system seems to be based on the concept of writing broad, generalize laws"
Britains legal system uses case law or common law like the US and other countries that were part of the British empire. "Broad generalised laws" suggest civil law (where law is based on universal principles), a system that is not employed in the UK.
It depends what you're coding. If you're just programming Java then you're right - it's not that hard, but there are areas where programming is difficult. At these levels coding is an aptitude - you've either got it or you haven't.
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Subversion is so obviously the way to go - it's CVS with all of its limitations removed.
Ah right - it sounded like some sort of scary Active Desktop rip off.
What are they doing teaching people how to use CVS? Don't they know that Subversion 1.0 finally came out today?
You also said (as I previously quoted):
I use fluxbox as my current window manager, but I'm not to happy with it. It's fast, functions well but really is missing somethings (file explorer, configuration menus, things like that).
My point was that FluxBox is not missing anything - it's not (and doesn't pretend to be) a desktop environment. You can use KDE/GNOME apps with FluxBox if you like though.
"- For whatever reason, my desktop occasionally gets switched to a Firefox virtual desktop I often keep open. Probably due to some javascript/focus thing with Firefox, but I hadn't noticed it before. Of course, somewhere along the line I upgraded Firefox, but I don't have the problem on a RH 8 system."
What's a "Firefox virtual desktop"?
"MacOS users are used to slamming the cursor up to the top of the screen and clicking."
My current window manager, WindowLab goes one step further by constraining the mouse pointer to the menubar and only having one level of menus. While you can't have a hierarchy of submenus this does make it very quick to use.
"I use fluxbox as my current window manager, but I'm not to happy with it. It's fast, functions well but really is missing somethings (file explorer, configuration menus, things like that)."
FluxBox is a window manager. That is to say, it is a program that manages windows.
KDE and GNOME are "desktop environments". They are not single programs but suites of programs including a window manager that use the same toolkit.
Personally I don't see why people feel compelled to use these desktop environments. Mix and match your programs to find the combination that work best for you.
"Did you ever notice the help forums at code guru are very similar to product specs from rent-a-coder?"
A lot of the projects listed on rentacoder.com are students asking for people to help with their homewrok. It would make sense for these students to try and do the work themselves and ask for help on codeguru.com for free before they have to fork out money for the homework to be done for them via rentacoder.