It never went up to 1MB, the ROM. In the very beginning it was 256k, on a5oo and forwards it was always 512k. The only machines with more than 512k on ROM was the CDTV and the CD32, but that was just becasue they had a second ROM with CD-player software on them (lots of gfx)
Well, all I can say is that I'm not getting in, even when I let my browsers spoof as mozilla4.5 for windows. It might be they are checking for flash plugin as well? I also have that, but it might very well be that my browsers dont answer "correctly" on that request.
I have the technology needed, the only problem is that my browser doesnt run under macos or windows. In their javascript they specificly ask for either netscape or IE, everything else is stopped, no matter how advanced.
Tell the witch-hunter to scan through all the offices for porn mags, see how popoular that is Tell him it's not your job to monitor if people work or not, tyour job is to make sure the systems work. Do you really want to work for a company that bothers with porn? Quit, get a new job:)
Speaking of LZW and image formats; How about all those LZW compressed TIFFs out there? I myself use an amiga as workstation, and I do not have any software that can read those LZW TIFFs, as all painters/image-processing/viewer programs specificly do not support it, due to licensing. Still I find almost 95% of the TIFFs used in window manager bitmaps and backdrop over at themes.org etc, compressed with LZW.
Tells you something about the so called open/free communities, doesnt it?
Why am I using an amiga as desktop workstation in stead of a freenix box? Good question, one simple answer is that X11 with all it's glorious toolkits and windowmanagers dont have the "instant" feeling I have when I use amigas. Also, no real screen concept as on amiga, no good animation programs as on amiga, no nice and simple to use paintprogram, no consistancy in the user interfaces, no autodetection and automounting of devices, no full screen video playback (with genlocking) etc. No unix has a real GUI, X11 and whatever you run on top doesnt know much about the OS kernel, and doesnt communicate much with it anyways. And the kernel doesnt know about X, so you can never expect the OS to give you f.ex error requesters, you'll have to build stuff like that yourself using various toolkits, perl and whatever.. *yawn* Well, that was only a few points, I could go on, but I dont see the point, as noone will take notice anyways.
You obviously are suffering from the "The only other OS I tried was Windows".
Now you get a clue, this is not about wizards. This is about functional graphical user interfaces, about makeing things easy and efficient, to use the correct UI for given tasks, be it CLI or GUI. A powerful CLI is very well, add to that a powerfull GUI and we're talking, integrate them in a powerfull easy to comprehend and use graphical operating environment and I'm even willing to sign for a license.
Dont expet this to happen with linux, or any other unix, nor windows for that matter, anytime soon.
Oh, and for DLL's.. ldconfig and all those version strings in the filenames, as well as the symlink jungle in carious/lib,/usr/lib,/usr/X11R6/lib etc etc isnt much more elegant than the windows mess IMHO.
I look at your desktop shot, and I can tell you it suck.
Why? Becasue it doesnt show a real functional desktop, it's just another one of those X11 dumps with a bunch of terminals, as if it was grabbed out of the "unix haters handbook" itself. And then there is the consistency and userfriendlyness. Or rather, the lack thereof, from the screenshots I cannot even determine if I should close windows from the upper tight or upper left corner, or perhaps I'd have to use the mmb to choose close. The only familiar gadgets are those on the x11amp (or xmms) as thei're "stolen" from winamp.
Please give us something that shows the brilliance of X11 and linux tied together in an integrated graphical operating environment.
Oh, no can do? How strange, and how sad. Duh.
Just for kicks, just to have something your oh so superiour desktop got some competition, take a look at this. It's my amiga's primary desktop, spiffd up with some system configuration tools just for you, oh an unlike X I can have several screens in various resolutions and depths. And I can use them more flexible, I often run X on one to connect to my linux machines, and I use a small 640x480 one for my VNC client to connect to my NT server at work, and I run MacOS on a macemulator every now and then on one too. And ofcourse a game every now and then, like napalm or quake, on their seperate screen, and they all multitask well and I an jump between them as I like. And it's not some windowmanager that makes this possible, it's the OS itself.
Oh.. and did I mention that I use truetype fonts as well?
"People like linux because it does look better the windows"?
I dont think so, most people like linux simply because you get the job done, it's not great as in "wow", it's just very ok at a very low price. Compare this to windows (also NT) which is totally obscure, propritaire, limited, and expencive.
Now, desktops.. X11.. linux..GUI.. pfff...hah
Linux' desktop isnt a tad better than any other unix desktop, it's just X11 again.
A real desktop is alot more integrated to the OS than X11 with whatever window manager/desktop environment.
GUI, a graphical user interface, consisteny is a major point. X11? consistency? "your favourite toolkit of the month"?
X11 is bloat. X11 with gnome/enlightenment or KDE is bloat-gaga, even worse than windows.
I heard they gnome and KDE agreed on drag'n drop last year. Yahiee, progress.
Can you change resolutions on the fly in X11 yet? What, no? Not even after 15 years?
So, stop whine about how great the linux desktop is, it isnt that great, really. And it's just the same desktop you find on any other unixen or any of the BSDs. There are other systems out there you can compare with other than windows.
If you want to be the best you must stop comparing with the worst.
Oh, and I've used linux since 1.1.x days in '94. First booted a m68k 0.87 kernel or something on my amiga 1200 back in early '95, when linux/i386 was 1.1.x and has since continued to use linux on m68k, ix86 and ppc. Booting once a day? Last year I my a12oo was up 363 days nonstop with linux/m68k, untill it finally was killed by a teardrop attack (a security hole that was unknown upon bootup:).)
First, noone forces you to code under ASPL, it's totally up to you to choose wether to accept the terms or not, if the latter means you wount hack on MacOS X code, then fine. Second, you're quite right, the creative things in OS X is not OpenSource, only the dull parts you know already. So what?
I remember when I first made my all png homepage, like 4 years ago or so. The browser I used was old AMosaic for Amiga which supported png through the nice datatype-system of AmigaOS. If my memory doesnt play me a trick, png also worked with Arena.
Anyways, Amiga showing the way, as usual, not that anyone cares...:)
I have an A600, and I still use it :)
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It's cute, it's got a o3o+883 combo and 32MB of RAM and a pcmcia ethernet card and runs a samba server on the local LAN, when it is not busy showing off animations for dept. of psychology here at the univ where I work.
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It never went up to 1MB, the ROM. In the very beginning it was 256k, on a5oo and forwards it was always 512k. The only machines with more than 512k on ROM was the CDTV and the CD32, but that was just becasue they had a second ROM with CD-player software on them (lots of gfx)
-- kola
More like 800MHz G4+,
But, hopefully not only mac but also for the POP guys.
-- kolla
So why all this reviving of unix then? :)
http://www.vapor.com/
Well, all I can say is that I'm not getting in, even when I let my browsers spoof as mozilla4.5 for windows. It might be they are checking for flash plugin as well? I also have that, but it might very well be that my browsers dont answer "correctly" on that request.
Get it?
Tell the witch-hunter to scan through all the offices for porn mags, see how popoular that is :)
Tell him it's not your job to monitor if people work or not, tyour job is to make sure the systems work.
Do you really want to work for a company that bothers with porn? Quit, get a new job
Speaking of LZW and image formats; How about all those LZW compressed TIFFs out there? I myself use an amiga as workstation, and I do not have any software that can read those LZW TIFFs, as all painters/image-processing/viewer programs specificly do not support it, due to licensing. Still I find almost 95% of the TIFFs used in window manager bitmaps and backdrop over at themes.org etc, compressed with LZW.
Tells you something about the so called open/free communities, doesnt it?
Sorry dude, no way. You still have to double the CPU speed a few more times to reach the speed of a o6o/PPC combo. -- kolla
No, it's just resting, pining for commodore...
Why am I using an amiga as desktop workstation in stead of a freenix box? Good question, one simple answer is that X11 with all it's glorious toolkits and windowmanagers dont have the "instant" feeling I have when I use amigas. Also, no real screen concept as on amiga, no good animation programs as on amiga, no nice and simple to use paintprogram, no consistancy in the user interfaces, no autodetection and automounting of devices, no full screen video playback (with genlocking) etc. No unix has a real GUI, X11 and whatever you run on top doesnt know much about the OS kernel, and doesnt communicate much with it anyways. And the kernel doesnt know about X, so you can never expect the OS to give you f.ex error requesters, you'll have to build stuff like that yourself using various toolkits, perl and whatever.. *yawn* Well, that was only a few points, I could go on, but I dont see the point, as noone will take notice anyways.
You obviously are suffering from the "The only other OS I tried was Windows".
Now you get a clue, this is not about wizards. This is about functional graphical user interfaces, about makeing things easy and efficient, to use the correct UI for given tasks, be it CLI or GUI. A powerful CLI is very well, add to that a powerfull GUI and we're talking, integrate them in a powerfull easy to comprehend and use graphical operating environment and I'm even willing to sign for a license.
Dont expet this to happen with linux, or any other unix, nor windows for that matter, anytime soon.
Oh, and for DLL's.. ldconfig and all those version strings in the filenames, as well as the symlink jungle in carious /lib, /usr/lib, /usr/X11R6/lib etc etc isnt much more elegant than the windows mess IMHO.
And.. hum.. REAL programmers go where the $$$ is.
Try again.
I look at your desktop shot, and I can tell you it suck.
Why? Becasue it doesnt show a real functional desktop, it's just another one of those X11 dumps with a bunch of terminals, as if it was grabbed out of the "unix haters handbook" itself. And then there is the consistency and userfriendlyness. Or rather, the lack thereof, from the screenshots I cannot even determine if I should close windows from the upper tight or upper left corner, or perhaps I'd have to use the mmb to choose close. The only familiar gadgets are those on the x11amp (or xmms) as thei're "stolen" from winamp.
Please give us something that shows the brilliance of X11 and linux tied together in an integrated graphical operating environment.
Oh, no can do? How strange, and how sad. Duh.
Just for kicks, just to have something your oh so superiour desktop got some competition, take a look at this. It's my amiga's primary desktop, spiffd up with some system configuration tools just for you, oh an unlike X I can have several screens in various resolutions and depths. And I can use them more flexible, I often run X on one to connect to my linux machines, and I use a small 640x480 one for my VNC client to connect to my NT server at work, and I run MacOS on a macemulator every now and then on one too. And ofcourse a game every now and then, like napalm or quake, on their seperate screen, and they all multitask well and I an jump between them as I like. And it's not some windowmanager that makes this possible, it's the OS itself.
Oh.. and did I mention that I use truetype fonts as well?
"People like linux because it does look better the windows"?
I dont think so, most people like linux simply because you get the job done, it's not great as in "wow", it's just very ok at a very low price.
Compare this to windows (also NT) which is totally obscure, propritaire, limited, and expencive.
Now, desktops.. X11.. linux..GUI.. pfff...hah
So, stop whine about how great the linux desktop is, it isnt that great, really. And it's just the same desktop you find on any other unixen or any of the BSDs. There are other systems out there you can compare with other than windows.
If you want to be the best you must stop comparing with the worst.
Oh, and I've used linux since 1.1.x days in '94. First booted a m68k 0.87 kernel or something on my amiga 1200 back in early '95, when linux/i386 was 1.1.x and has since continued to use linux on m68k, ix86 and ppc. Booting once a day? Last year I my a12oo was up 363 days nonstop with linux/m68k, untill it finally was killed by a teardrop attack (a security hole that was unknown upon bootup :) .)
with linux, apache and a few databases, and it works just
dandy for my use.
So your point is?
Uh.. we've had plan9 here for years.
Perl on palm pilot? How small can you get perl these days? One of the great things with rebol is that it's very small.
First, noone forces you to code under ASPL, it's totally up to you to choose wether to accept the terms or not, if the latter means you wount hack on MacOS X code, then fine.
Second, you're quite right, the creative things in OS X is not OpenSource, only the dull parts you know already. So what?
I remember when I first made my all png homepage, like 4 years ago or so.
The browser I used was old AMosaic for Amiga which supported png through the nice datatype-system of AmigaOS.
If my memory doesnt play me a trick, png also worked with Arena.
Anyways, Amiga showing the way, as usual, not that anyone cares...
It's cute, it's got a o3o+883 combo and 32MB of RAM and a pcmcia ethernet card and runs a samba server on the local LAN, when it is not busy showing off animations for dept. of psychology here at the univ where I work.
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Actually, it was a whopping 7.14MHz :)
Did you ever see an a5oo webserver?
amiga.nvg.org