It makes no sense to me to spend $250 per year on a netbook when an iPad will last for three and you can sell it for $200 when you upgrade.
It only makes sense to spend $250 to $500 on a netbook if that's what you want. A light weight notebook of flabby construction, underpowered, but cheap. If you want a $1000 lightweight, not underpowered notebook, they make those too. But the people who keep comparing $250 Asus netbooks to iPads as if they are the same thing are nuts! Netbooks at that price point don't have 2048x1536 screens, LTE 4G modems, touchscreen interfaces.
I would never hang on to an iPad for 3 years. I sold my iPad 1 for about $125 less than I paid for it, and did a one time transfer of my AppleCare to the new iPad 2 before I sold it. I just sold my iPad 2 for $150 less than I paid to preorder the iPad 3, and since it's been about 2 years, the AppleCare I had to buy... well I had to buy that anyway!
If you sell them to a coworker, you save all the eBay commissions and shipping nonsense too.
Ummm, an iPad in a cover with a built in bluetooth keyboard, how is that different from say a netbook at 1/3 the cost?
They make netbooks for less than $500 with a 2048x1536 screen, a 10 hour battery life, under 1.5lb, touch screens and LTE modems? (Someone is going to mention their netbook has a USB port, no doubt) - so you win, you have VGA and USB, I have the tablet I want.
Good point.
IANAL; my understanding is: in small claims court one can't sue for punitive damages, just actual damages, so this is apparently how the judge arrived at the amount.
Then again, isn't $85 greater than what he was paying per month anyway, so he must be getting some "extra" money above and beyond his actual damages, right?
The contract probably was $85 a month. AT&T never sold $30 unlimited Internet for mobile phones. It was sold on top of a plan.
Which is it? I guess my DropBox isn't free either, although I don't think I've ever paid.
Also, to the guy that said Apps are too big so you can't back up in 5gb... I have an iPod Touch, iPhone and iPad, and have used about 2gb of my 5gb storage. You see, apps don't count (you redownload them for free). Music doesn't count (you redownload for free). Photos don't count (PhotoStream doesn't subtract from the free storage). It's for settings and documents.
Sort of like how Android by default "spreads FUD" about apps not coming from the Android market? Since, you know, you have to check the "other sources" option in order to sideload apps? Yes, even on the vanilla versions of Android from Google it defaults to blocking sideloaded apps.
Of course in my case, I didn't choose to go ith AT&T. I have an iPhone since the original, so my only choice was to stay with them.
I have always seem poor coverage in South Florida on Sprint and TMobile, and much better with Verizon and AT&T. In addition, I do regularly use voice & data simultaneously, and not always in places where I have wifi available.
Being grandfathered with unlimited data, I am real careful about considering a change.
Yes, it did. You could download one of many apps and have email just like every other tablet. You could optionally tether it to a blackberry and get proper corporate email (unlike every other tablet, which couldn't even hope to do that). Bridge offered you better security anyway. If an employee loses a tablet, all your data is safe -- unlike every other tablet.
Sorry, you're judging email on the PlayBook by a totally different standard than you are other tablets. The PlayBook, from DAY ONE, could do email just as wel as every other tablet on the market. It could also do email better, thanks to Bridge.
You're spreading nonsense.
EVERY tablet except one ships with a native email client. This includes Android, iOS, WebOS, and even heavily modified Android tablets such as Kindle Fire and the Nook Tablet. There is no native email client on the Playbook, it will appear in version 2.
Android, iOS and WebOS have native Exchange support in their tablets out of the box. PlayBook does not.
What PlayBook does have in common with the others, is that there is no tablet with BES support. Including RIM's own tablet.
Tethering to my smart phone to read email is so far removed from ideal.
If an employee loses a tablet, all your data is safe -- unlike every other tablet.
That's what remote wipe is for. Besides, what happens when you lose your Blackberry phone. As if the data isn't stored there.
Have there been any widespread corporate (or consumer) adoptions of the PlayBook? From what I understand, people love Blackberry for email and BBM. I suspect that's why sales of the PlayBook are lagging. It has every feature you need except those two.
We obviously have differing opinions on what "it comes with email means", but to me, it means I open the box, and configure my email account. Absolutely IMAP, preferably Exchange, and in the case of a product marketed by RIM, BES support. Not download a third party client from the App Store. And not wait until version 2.0. Not "tether up your phone". Seems like a nice form factor - I have a Kindle Fire. If it did email, I might get one, if they are still selling them for $199.
By the way, it's a little messed up to have two CEOs. At least they fixed that. Also there was the promotion where you could order off their web site a PlayBook for $199. 16gb, 32gb or 64gb. All $199. That's a bit bizarre. I'm just not 100% getting it, sorry.
No, notreally. It's almost ready, the native client that is. But until then, no corporate mail support in the Playbook. You have to tether a Blackberry phone to it. Don't have a Blackberry? Too bad. Battery on your phone dead? Too bad.
Like I said, I would wait for them to ship an email client first. Even HP shipped one for their tablet.
Considering that XBMC doesn't run on the iPhone, I assumed he was talking about video decoding. Given other posts in the thread, I'm not so sure anymore.
Bic Pens Inc now claims exclusive distributorship rights for anything created with one of their writing implements.
Not to be outdone, Starbucks now claims exclusive distributorship rights for anything created while under the influence of their beverages.
So people would stop using Bic pens. They'd buy a PaperMate or whatever other pens are out there. Same thing with iBooks. You don't have to exclusively sell with them. You can go use any other tool on the market, output a ePub, and sell it on every ePub store including the iBook Store.
People are just complaining because it seems like a really nice tool and Apple didn't want it to prop up Sony's bookstore. HINT: Apple could care less about a Sony eReader, a Nook, or anything else. They don't even care about Kindle, which is probably why the tool won't output Mobi.
Not really, people distributing their works for money aren't typically going to also distribute them for free. That would undermine sales. Some people will distribute works under a pay what you can, pay what you want or pay what you think it's worth model, but in any of those cases it's going to be a commercial distribution.
It might be technically a misstatement, but it's correct in virtually all cases.
That's not what the terminology is for. What it means - you can use the authoring tool to sell content with Apple. You can also use it all you want to produce and distribute free content. In other words, free for non-commercial use, but you can profit through it too - we will be your exclusive distributor.
Amazon has signed authors to exclusive deals as well. The difference is, they cannot distribute eBooks on other platforms. With Apple, you can do whatever you want with any tool you want. If you use their tool, you can still do whatever you want... but to sell books on another platform, you need to use another authoring tool.
What makes you think Google cares how many music players ship?
That's like saying what makes you think Microsoft cares how many netbooks ship? An OS developer would tend to care about things like marketshare, profits, etc. Apple makes a lot of money on iOS, and not JUST from phones.
I don't know the real numbers, but Android could still be winning. It's not as if all of the different manufacturers have one joint financial statement.
Winning what? Marketshare? That's _A_ component of a company's success, but Android isn't a company, and marketshare isn't a quarterly profit.
If you want Netflix, get a plan with a bigger limit.
But does AT&T even offer plans with a big enough limit? Say I wanted to download a multi-GB game from PSN, and I live too far from the DSLAM and outside the cable service area. What should I do?
Move, get satellite internet, or DON'T CHOOSE the 300mb plan. Maybe the $50 plan makes more sense?
So? You either have enough bandwidth for Netflix or you don't.
Why not just put all the wired bandwidth going to their DSL infrastructure in my area to the closest towers, and then give every one a 4G hotspot?
You can talk about spectrum space this and that, but DSL is just as limited in regards to physical infrastructure. (IE must be X miles from a DSLAM to get speed Y).
Why not make the ultimate set-top box? You only have to plug it into the wall and your TV. The unit is completely wireless (4g or whatever newer tech), and also acts as your wifi hotspot.
Wireless spectrum costs more to build out then adding a new DSLAM to serve a new area. They don't charge $50 a month for 150gb of DSL bandwidth and $50 a month for 5gb of 3G/4G bandwidth JUST because. This isn't a statement on whether either $50 is worth it or not, but the reality is, it's an order of magnitude cheaper to deploy wired to your house than offer you a few hundred gigs of wireless spectrum.
Sprint does offer a better plan yet people stay with AT&T because it feels right. Morons who use AT&T deserve AT&T.
What an incredible insight. Sprint doesn't necessarily offer a better plan. They offer unlimited data at a cost that other carriers currently offer a couple of gigabytes. It might be that you need the higher throughput that AT&T offers, but overall use just a gig or two a month. It might be that you just use a gigabyte a month, but want data & voice simultaneously. Your house may get better coverage on AT&T versus Sprint.
I happen to be on AT&T by choice. Not because I just wasn't smart enough to switch to Sprint.
Yup. There are totally no tablets on the market. Windows 8 ARM tablets haven't shipped yet, but since they are a monopoly like you say, that means there are no tablets on the market. There's no choice. Now that WebOS is dead, Microsoft officially has no competition in tablets. Please don't mention Apple, Asus, Samsung, Toshiba, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, RIM, Acer, Motorola, Sony, Fujitsu, Lenovo, Archos, Pandigital, Velocity Micro Cruz, Kobo, Advent, AOC, Augen, Coby, Entourage, ViewSonic, Vizio, a few dozen other players marketing rebranded tablets, and about 500 different brands of Chinese imports. Microsoft cannot possibly have a monopoly in an industry with a hundred competitors, a single company with 3/4 of the marketshare (Apple), and multiple operating systems available. PS: Do you know how many Android tablets are locked? Plus iPad and PlayBook come locked too.
I am one of those regular visitors to Yahoo. Use them (almost) daily to play online card games (bridge specifically). There probably are other board that offer it, but Yahoo works fine and I'm used to the culture and game play conventions (very important when playing bridge) on that board.
That said I always wonder how they make money off of that. There is an interstitial ad when navigating to the game room the proper way; I never see it because if I use that route it's blocked for being flash, and normally I access the room directly - just bookmarked it. Furthermore the game itself is free, just requires a Yahoo login which I have since the late 1990s. And occasionally I visit their finance page for forex rates, usually via a Google search.
There's a lot of companies getting used without making a dime. I still go to Barnes and Noble all the time, browse the books in person, pick out one, and buy it on my Kindle. Sometimes I'll grab a cup of coffee for $2 and sit down and read $20 worth of magazines.
When you trust your mail to a third party, for free, you deserve everything you get. I hope Yahoo sells me the nudes of your ugly girlfriend, and gives me your moms social security number.
Most of us don't send sensitive information by email anyway. And if we do we use encruption.
Not me. I've been known to use encryption however.
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It makes no sense to me to spend $250 per year on a netbook when an iPad will last for three and you can sell it for $200 when you upgrade.
It only makes sense to spend $250 to $500 on a netbook if that's what you want. A light weight notebook of flabby construction, underpowered, but cheap. If you want a $1000 lightweight, not underpowered notebook, they make those too. But the people who keep comparing $250 Asus netbooks to iPads as if they are the same thing are nuts! Netbooks at that price point don't have 2048x1536 screens, LTE 4G modems, touchscreen interfaces.
... well I had to buy that anyway!
I would never hang on to an iPad for 3 years. I sold my iPad 1 for about $125 less than I paid for it, and did a one time transfer of my AppleCare to the new iPad 2 before I sold it. I just sold my iPad 2 for $150 less than I paid to preorder the iPad 3, and since it's been about 2 years, the AppleCare I had to buy
If you sell them to a coworker, you save all the eBay commissions and shipping nonsense too.
Ummm, an iPad in a cover with a built in bluetooth keyboard, how is that different from say a netbook at 1/3 the cost?
They make netbooks for less than $500 with a 2048x1536 screen, a 10 hour battery life, under 1.5lb, touch screens and LTE modems? (Someone is going to mention their netbook has a USB port, no doubt) - so you win, you have VGA and USB, I have the tablet I want.
It still costs more than a laptop and does less than a laptop.
It costs less than my laptop.
Good point. IANAL; my understanding is: in small claims court one can't sue for punitive damages, just actual damages, so this is apparently how the judge arrived at the amount. Then again, isn't $85 greater than what he was paying per month anyway, so he must be getting some "extra" money above and beyond his actual damages, right?
The contract probably was $85 a month. AT&T never sold $30 unlimited Internet for mobile phones. It was sold on top of a plan.
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.
Which has nothing to do with how long a human may live, but was a prophecy about the coming flood.
iCloud isn't free.
5GB is free
Which is it? I guess my DropBox isn't free either, although I don't think I've ever paid.
Also, to the guy that said Apps are too big so you can't back up in 5gb... I have an iPod Touch, iPhone and iPad, and have used about 2gb of my 5gb storage. You see, apps don't count (you redownload them for free). Music doesn't count (you redownload for free). Photos don't count (PhotoStream doesn't subtract from the free storage). It's for settings and documents.
Sort of like how Android by default "spreads FUD" about apps not coming from the Android market? Since, you know, you have to check the "other sources" option in order to sideload apps? Yes, even on the vanilla versions of Android from Google it defaults to blocking sideloaded apps.
That's different. It's open.
Of course in my case, I didn't choose to go ith AT&T. I have an iPhone since the original, so my only choice was to stay with them. I have always seem poor coverage in South Florida on Sprint and TMobile, and much better with Verizon and AT&T. In addition, I do regularly use voice & data simultaneously, and not always in places where I have wifi available. Being grandfathered with unlimited data, I am real careful about considering a change.
Yes, it did. You could download one of many apps and have email just like every other tablet. You could optionally tether it to a blackberry and get proper corporate email (unlike every other tablet, which couldn't even hope to do that). Bridge offered you better security anyway. If an employee loses a tablet, all your data is safe -- unlike every other tablet.
Sorry, you're judging email on the PlayBook by a totally different standard than you are other tablets. The PlayBook, from DAY ONE, could do email just as wel as every other tablet on the market. It could also do email better, thanks to Bridge.
You're spreading nonsense.
EVERY tablet except one ships with a native email client. This includes Android, iOS, WebOS, and even heavily modified Android tablets such as Kindle Fire and the Nook Tablet. There is no native email client on the Playbook, it will appear in version 2.
Android, iOS and WebOS have native Exchange support in their tablets out of the box. PlayBook does not.
What PlayBook does have in common with the others, is that there is no tablet with BES support. Including RIM's own tablet.
Tethering to my smart phone to read email is so far removed from ideal.
If an employee loses a tablet, all your data is safe -- unlike every other tablet.
That's what remote wipe is for. Besides, what happens when you lose your Blackberry phone. As if the data isn't stored there.
Have there been any widespread corporate (or consumer) adoptions of the PlayBook? From what I understand, people love Blackberry for email and BBM. I suspect that's why sales of the PlayBook are lagging. It has every feature you need except those two.
We obviously have differing opinions on what "it comes with email means", but to me, it means I open the box, and configure my email account. Absolutely IMAP, preferably Exchange, and in the case of a product marketed by RIM, BES support. Not download a third party client from the App Store. And not wait until version 2.0. Not "tether up your phone". Seems like a nice form factor - I have a Kindle Fire. If it did email, I might get one, if they are still selling them for $199.
By the way, it's a little messed up to have two CEOs. At least they fixed that. Also there was the promotion where you could order off their web site a PlayBook for $199. 16gb, 32gb or 64gb. All $199. That's a bit bizarre. I'm just not 100% getting it, sorry.
No, not really. It's almost ready, the native client that is. But until then, no corporate mail support in the Playbook. You have to tether a Blackberry phone to it. Don't have a Blackberry? Too bad. Battery on your phone dead? Too bad.
Like I said, I would wait for them to ship an email client first. Even HP shipped one for their tablet.
Considering that XBMC doesn't run on the iPhone, I assumed he was talking about video decoding. Given other posts in the thread, I'm not so sure anymore.
You need to be jailbroken, but yes it does.
Bic Pens Inc now claims exclusive distributorship rights for anything created with one of their writing implements.
Not to be outdone, Starbucks now claims exclusive distributorship rights for anything created while under the influence of their beverages.
So people would stop using Bic pens. They'd buy a PaperMate or whatever other pens are out there. Same thing with iBooks. You don't have to exclusively sell with them. You can go use any other tool on the market, output a ePub, and sell it on every ePub store including the iBook Store.
People are just complaining because it seems like a really nice tool and Apple didn't want it to prop up Sony's bookstore. HINT: Apple could care less about a Sony eReader, a Nook, or anything else. They don't even care about Kindle, which is probably why the tool won't output Mobi.
Not really, people distributing their works for money aren't typically going to also distribute them for free. That would undermine sales. Some people will distribute works under a pay what you can, pay what you want or pay what you think it's worth model, but in any of those cases it's going to be a commercial distribution.
It might be technically a misstatement, but it's correct in virtually all cases.
That's not what the terminology is for. What it means - you can use the authoring tool to sell content with Apple. You can also use it all you want to produce and distribute free content. In other words, free for non-commercial use, but you can profit through it too - we will be your exclusive distributor.
Amazon has signed authors to exclusive deals as well. The difference is, they cannot distribute eBooks on other platforms. With Apple, you can do whatever you want with any tool you want. If you use their tool, you can still do whatever you want... but to sell books on another platform, you need to use another authoring tool.
You should check out QNX on the Playbook -- It's undoubtedly rather heavily inspired by WebOS, and smooth as silk.
I think I'll wait for them to ship an email client first. I hear it's almost out.
Actually iOS ships on more devices than Android.
What makes you think Google cares how many music players ship?
That's like saying what makes you think Microsoft cares how many netbooks ship? An OS developer would tend to care about things like marketshare, profits, etc. Apple makes a lot of money on iOS, and not JUST from phones.
I don't know the real numbers, but Android could still be winning. It's not as if all of the different manufacturers have one joint financial statement.
Winning what? Marketshare? That's _A_ component of a company's success, but Android isn't a company, and marketshare isn't a quarterly profit.
Ok, but you can still move, or just regret living in a remote place far connected from broadband, but seemingly huge broadband needs.
If you want Netflix, get a plan with a bigger limit.
But does AT&T even offer plans with a big enough limit? Say I wanted to download a multi-GB game from PSN, and I live too far from the DSLAM and outside the cable service area. What should I do?
Move, get satellite internet, or DON'T CHOOSE the 300mb plan. Maybe the $50 plan makes more sense?
I go through 300 mb/month on Google Maps/Navigator alone.
Buy a GPS app with preloaded maps. I'm sure much of that 300 mb is navigation maps loading, not you pulling up *A* map a few times a day.
4G in my area is faster than DSL.
So? You either have enough bandwidth for Netflix or you don't.
Why not just put all the wired bandwidth going to their DSL infrastructure in my area to the closest towers, and then give every one a 4G hotspot? You can talk about spectrum space this and that, but DSL is just as limited in regards to physical infrastructure. (IE must be X miles from a DSLAM to get speed Y).
Why not make the ultimate set-top box? You only have to plug it into the wall and your TV. The unit is completely wireless (4g or whatever newer tech), and also acts as your wifi hotspot.
Wireless spectrum costs more to build out then adding a new DSLAM to serve a new area. They don't charge $50 a month for 150gb of DSL bandwidth and $50 a month for 5gb of 3G/4G bandwidth JUST because. This isn't a statement on whether either $50 is worth it or not, but the reality is, it's an order of magnitude cheaper to deploy wired to your house than offer you a few hundred gigs of wireless spectrum.
1,440 minutes is only 11 movies! It's not streaming 24/7 .. it's just 3 movies a week.
If you want to watch 3 movies a week, and aren't near WiFi most of that time, the reality is - cell phone Netflix apps just aren't a good choice.
Sprint does offer a better plan yet people stay with AT&T because it feels right. Morons who use AT&T deserve AT&T.
What an incredible insight. Sprint doesn't necessarily offer a better plan. They offer unlimited data at a cost that other carriers currently offer a couple of gigabytes. It might be that you need the higher throughput that AT&T offers, but overall use just a gig or two a month. It might be that you just use a gigabyte a month, but want data & voice simultaneously. Your house may get better coverage on AT&T versus Sprint.
I happen to be on AT&T by choice. Not because I just wasn't smart enough to switch to Sprint.
Yup. There are totally no tablets on the market. Windows 8 ARM tablets haven't shipped yet, but since they are a monopoly like you say, that means there are no tablets on the market. There's no choice. Now that WebOS is dead, Microsoft officially has no competition in tablets. Please don't mention Apple, Asus, Samsung, Toshiba, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, RIM, Acer, Motorola, Sony, Fujitsu, Lenovo, Archos, Pandigital, Velocity Micro Cruz, Kobo, Advent, AOC, Augen, Coby, Entourage, ViewSonic, Vizio, a few dozen other players marketing rebranded tablets, and about 500 different brands of Chinese imports. Microsoft cannot possibly have a monopoly in an industry with a hundred competitors, a single company with 3/4 of the marketshare (Apple), and multiple operating systems available. PS: Do you know how many Android tablets are locked? Plus iPad and PlayBook come locked too.
I am one of those regular visitors to Yahoo. Use them (almost) daily to play online card games (bridge specifically). There probably are other board that offer it, but Yahoo works fine and I'm used to the culture and game play conventions (very important when playing bridge) on that board.
That said I always wonder how they make money off of that. There is an interstitial ad when navigating to the game room the proper way; I never see it because if I use that route it's blocked for being flash, and normally I access the room directly - just bookmarked it. Furthermore the game itself is free, just requires a Yahoo login which I have since the late 1990s. And occasionally I visit their finance page for forex rates, usually via a Google search.
There's a lot of companies getting used without making a dime. I still go to Barnes and Noble all the time, browse the books in person, pick out one, and buy it on my Kindle. Sometimes I'll grab a cup of coffee for $2 and sit down and read $20 worth of magazines.
When you trust your mail to a third party, for free, you deserve everything you get. I hope Yahoo sells me the nudes of your ugly girlfriend, and gives me your moms social security number.
Most of us don't send sensitive information by email anyway. And if we do we use encruption.
Not me. I've been known to use encryption however.