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Apple Unveils New iPad
adeelarshad82 writes "As expected, Apple announced the new iPad complete with a Retina Display, quad-core processor, 4G LTE, and an improved camera. The new iPad will run the rumored A5X processor, which according to Apple will provide four times the performance of the Tegra 3. The revamped tablet will also include a 2048-by-1536 display, apparently the most in any mobile device. And finally with 4G LTE, the new iPad will provide up to 73 Mbps download speeds; partners for which include Verizon, Rogers, Bell, Telus, and AT&T."
Quad core graphics, not quad core CPU...
I want a keyboard.
is it still hundreds of dollars?
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techgasm.
I for one hate apple, but if this comes at a nice price I'm buying a few to use solely as monitors. Or does anyone knows of displays of comparable quality (we still have to see this one), size and resolution?
Glad to see this finally announced/released and while I'd love to exchange for my iPad2, I don't see a compelling reason to upgrade. Without Steve Jobs doing the dramatics, watching the Live Blog was almost as exciting as Watching Grass Grow.
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The new iPad will use the A5X which is dual core but will have a quad core GPU from PowerVR. It appears this is Apple's solution to double the resolution is to have each core handle half of the screen. It's like Crossfire/SLI.
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How did Apple sneak that one out. They're like ninjas!
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And put it in a netbook with a Thinkpad-style trackpoint... I'd buy that right away.
Wow! You'll be able to reach your 3GB cap in 5.19 minutes! What'll you do for the rest of the month? :D
So it displays a picture of the retina? I thought it would be cool if it could scan your retina. I'm sure its another feature that apple will patent and charge us more for. Hers your own retina, its our technology that allowed us to take a picture of it and show it to you. Either way Apple fans will buy it.
so, that way, you can reach your monthly limit in under 6 minutes with the AT&T 3 Gig limit.
2. Smaller screen than my desktop monitor. Not as many buttons as a Galaxy Tab. Lame.
3. (drooling) You had me at "Apple".
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They managed to pack a 5 megapixel camera, into that tiny tablet! Wow, we wouldn't have dreamed that was possible back when the iPad 2 came out. It's amazing how far we have come in a year.
Yes, I bought an iPad 2 nearly 3 months ago and yes, I am bitterly disappointed that I didn't think to consider how shitty the camera was before making my decision. Hindsight is 20/20, even if the camera on my piece of shit iPad 2 isn't.
It's a fraction of a millimeter thicker than the iPad 2 and .7 pounds heavier. I guess the product wasn't going to go on getting thinner and lighter asymptotically.
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Now, if only someone could get Android to run on it, I'd buy it in a second.
Higher resolution than my 42" TV.
Is the screen glossy or matte?
but she's got a new hat
Apple also announced a new Apple TV that will have 1080p for the same price as the current generation: $99. I didn't read any other changes.
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I can just see it now. Taking home the new ipad3, turning it on for the first time, excited for the fast download speed and massive processor, and the first message that appears:
You have exceeded your bandwidth quota for the month. All network apps disabled
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Maybe I'm wrong, but every Apple announcement I've seen has been up on their website within minutes, but this is nowhere to be found.
Put it in 14 inch laptops
or atleast start putting 1920*1200 displays in 14inch laptops
This launch proves that the display isnt exorbitantly expensive or impossible to manufacture
And a monitor with a similar resolution (though larger size) display costs 2x the cost of the iPad3
I am pretty surprised that siri is not fully implemented on this device. it is only being used for dictation
Buy the latest model or be excommunicated and banned from the Store. Go forth and buy, my children.
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Nothing compelling to upgrade for me, but I do know a few people who didn't like the display in the 2 and who will buy a 3 now as a first time adopter.
From the iPad 1 to the iPad 2 there was the addition of the cameras and a substantial boost to power - that was compelling enough for me.
I'm trying to think of what would be a compelling upgrade for me from my iPad 2 and there really isn't much I can think of. Maybe the generation after this one will have a sufficient boost to power, battery life and other features to get me interested, but I dunno.
Since I can't tell them apart, I treat all ACs as the same person.
From the summary alone, it sounds interesting. There's still one huge, giant problem with it.
It's an Apple product, I'm more of an Orange guy.
What do I know, I'm just an idiot, right?
Seriously, do they really think anyone who would care about white balance would actually use an iPad as a camera?
First question after seeing this was "When can I order?".
You will never get that speed on the device. I have a 4G LTE cell phone and it doesn't even get 10% of that speed.
Hell it shouldn't even be allowed to be called 4G. The 4G standard is 100Mbps for high mobility devices (cellphones in cars) and 1Gbps for low mobility devices (people walking down the street or in their homes). This is a fraud in advertising.
That screen is just incredible. I mean, here I am working on a dual monitor setup - two 22" 1680x1050 monitors, side by side. That's about 3.5 megapixels. But along comes the new iPad, with a 3 megapixel screen in a 10" form factor - 85% of the pixels in about 15% of the area. Crazy. I'm not planning on buying one right now (already have iPad 1, which at this point I'll use until it dies), but I'm really glad that somebody is pushing screen resolutions above the relatively low 1080p we seem to be stuck with today on virtually every LCD.
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for everyone to sell their old iPad! My biggest pet peeve, it's the most expensive "disposable" personal electronic device. It seems like it's embarrassing to be seen with the not-quite-latest version. (flamebait, i apologize.)
Is literally the new name. Am I the only one that thinks this is lame. Would Steve have ever okay this?
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... no he is no Steve Jobs, he even forgot to tell the public WHAT THE NEW IPAD IS CALLED! ... ipad 3, ipad HD? iPad Retina?
He could have done better!
I'm just hoping I'll finally be able to get a monitor with a similar resolution for a reasonable price. If Apple can make a 10" display with that many pixels, plus other computer guts, for $500, I don't think a 22-24" monitor with that resolution for $500 is too much to ask.
Now you can reach the data cap in under a minute ...
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I am in wallow with my inner money grubbing capitalistic pig. ... Oink!
Getting Http/1.1 Service Unavailable from their site just minutes after the press event ended.
So what is apple calling it? There were rumors it would be called the iPad HD. So it is it iPad 3, iPad HD, iPad 4G, or just iPad (3rd gen)?
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I'm trying to think of what would be a compelling upgrade for me from my iPad 2 and there really isn't much I can think of. Maybe the generation after this one will have a sufficient boost to power, battery life and other features to get me interested, but I dunno.
At some point, they're going to hit the "Good Enough" plateau that has plagued the mainstream PC business. And they'll saturate the market of likely buyers. At that point the market will change into two separate segments:
People who are upgrading simply because the Lithium battery pack is shot. The goal with these people will be to keep them from defecting to Android or Windows.
An entry level market that we haven't seen yet (Kindle Fire territory), consisting of children and people in developing markets.
if you have one you're going to take it places like family functions and vacations so that it will probable be in your hands unlike your phone which may be useless outside the US.
so you will use the ipad like a camera/camcorder
That's OK. iPad is still in the rapid growth phase. They need to appeal to people who don't yet have an iPad, not people who already have a slightly older model.
Everyone who ever took a photo cares about white balance. They might not know the phrase white balance. But they care if the pictures look too orangey or too blue. And auto white balance means that problem is mostly fixed without ever having to learn what white balance means.
This is exactly what everyone predicted, and I'm fine with that. I'm just a hair disappointed that the front camera is still VGA. Even if FaceTime is bandwidth-limited or someting, it'd be nice to take pictures of, say, yourself and your kids in greater than 0.3MP.
Oh, and the name--iPad, iPad 2, The new iPad. :-( Reminds me of my file versioning system: index.html, index-old.html, index-new.html, index-newer.html, index-newest.html, index-final.html, index-absolutely-final.html, index-final-i-swear-to-god-i-mean-it-this-time.html...
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
Hahah.
Wait. you were serious?
sorry.
Great a thinner, higher resolution tablet which still doesn't come close to matching the playbook. In this case sales doesn't equal quality!
Are you sure about the resolution
New iPad release: At the start of the presentation, "and it's only $499" then at the end of the presentation "oh and by the way if you want a data plan it's actually $629 kthxbye. *door slam*
"Without Steve Jobs doing the dramatics, watching the Live Blog was almost as exciting as Watching Grass Grow."
Tim Cook may be as wooden as a door, but that man knows distribution. Jobs may have had the charisma, but Cook deserves a lot of the credit getting Apple to where it is today.
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Graphics is so highly parallel that the concept of a core doesn't really apply to graphics processors, at least ones I've seen. You talk about them in terms of shaders, ROPs, TMUs and so on.
Is basically to keep up with the higher resolution display?
MOAR=Better I guess, though I really don't see the tangible benefit of these "retina" displays at all.
Seems like their gilding the Lily, and are offering nothing at all new in the realm of functionality. Personally, I'd rather see them open the platform to allow the type of apps I want. But then, that's why I have an Android tablet.
If by "quality" you mean a tablet that many reviewers called rushed and incomplete, after a year, finally got the features everyone expected at launch, and has very few applications to this day, I'd hate to see what you call "poor".
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I agree. I'll be keeping my iPad 1 until it dies.
The most exciting thing to me was the other thing that got announced: the 1080p capable Apple TV. I know, for the majority of folks watching movies on a 30-40" LCD TV, 720p vs. 1080p is a wash. But I just put a home theater projector in the basement, and watching 720p on a 90" screen is just as bad as watching standard-def on a 50" LCD.
And with places like Blockbuster going under, it's getting harder to find sources for Blu-ray disc rentals. RedBox is great when they have something, but that's about it. As far as I'm aware this is the first time anybody's offered downloadable (well, legally downloadable) 1080p content. But it's not clear when that will be available, if it's Apple TV exclusive (not available in iTunes on OS X / Windows), etc.
Puff, puff, pass. I think that last bit is the part you're missing.
It is an impressive list of statistics, but for the end-user (consumer) who is not a nurd, what improvements does it actually offer? What is new besides the brand names and measurements?
excuse me here, but i thought a retina display implied ~300dpi
this one falls a fair bit short of the mark if i'm not mistaken
so once again apple marketing triumphs over all
Glad to see this finally announced/released and while I'd love to exchange for my iPad2, I don't see a compelling reason to upgrade. Without Steve Jobs doing the dramatics, watching the Live Blog was almost as exciting as Watching Grass Grow.
When I saw the rumored specs, I actually went out and sold my android tablet. I loved the thing, but I also managed to get a touchpad in the firesale. I use the touchpad the most of all, but I really want that retina display. I use my tablet for RDP/VNC all the time. Can't wait to use RDP without having to scroll around to use my machine.
I don't think people will actually buy new devices just to replace the battery. If we reach that plateau I'd expect to see the many existing third-party shops that do iPad/iPod/iPhone battery replacement to do more business, that's all.
Not sure why people think this is a big issue. Battery replacements for laptops can already be like $150 sometimes. Adding 20 minutes of moderately-skilled labor to that equation doesn't change much.
I have seen the future, and it is inconvenient.
Fingers crossed also that it might prompt a return to a more useful aspect ratio in affordable monitors.
... which will hopefully have an open platform version somewhere so I can run my own stuff on it.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
And, compared to the iPad2 event, I'm going to say that is a good thing. It has what has been rumored, for the most part.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
Considering that Apple would have to make it worse than an iPad 1 to get closer to the Playbook, I think they are more than justified in continuing their current direction.
Judging from the history of these things, Apple probably has the entire supply tied up for the next 18 months.
The best camera is the one you have with you. The iPad in your backpack is better than the DSLR in your closet at home.
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Any word on the battery life of this thing?
So, there are two models, an AT&T one and a Verzon one, but they both have UMTS/HSPA/GSM bands that would cover the "world" but also AT&T 3G service.
So, can I buy the Verizon model and slip in an AT&T card for now? 4G won't get to my area for a couple of years yet, but Verizon is more likely to have the better coverage when it happens.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
I guess that will all just chew through the battery faster.
Am I able to take the SIM card out of my Verizon LTE phone and stick it in one of these tablets to get data using the same plan I have for my phone? Without paying extra, that is.
Or do they have something to block this?
I need a pad to watch movies while running in a gym. Is this new marvel going to have a bluetooth that does not delay? Friends, anybody knows of any bluetooth pad/headset pair that is friendly to each other and solve that horrible buffering issue?
Costello: What’s the name of the new iPad?
Abbott: The new iPad.
Costello: Yes, the name of the new iPad?
Abbott: The new iPad.
Costello: Yes, the device just released today by Apple.
Abbott: The new iPad.
Costello: I know! What’s the name of the new iPad?
Abbott: The new iPad.
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No Sprint, huh? You'll get to watch a total of one movie on that beautiful display before you're throttled back to smoke-signal speeds, you horrible user of what you paid for.
Who actually carries their huge ass iPad with them?
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Wasn't this the same pricing as the iPad 2. News would be if it was different somehow.
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Screw 20". Send me a 30" monitor with 6144x4608 resolution. If the smallest model is $500, and half of that is the screen (doubtful it's that much), that would put it at only $2250. Then I just need a computer with a thunderbolt interface to drive that many pixels.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
No. That's how I get my Apple products. People who buy them new have to have the latest version so badly that I buy the old one off them cheaply.
if you have one you're going to take it places like family functions and vacations so that it will probable be in your hands unlike your phone which may be useless outside the US.
so you will use the ipad like a camera/camcorder
Um, what? I'm sorry I can't parse that.
So if you go to family functions in a foreign country, you will be able to take pictures with your ipad 3 but not your phone? And you wouldn't just take a small dedicated camera, which takes better photos/video than either and isn't nearly as clunky to use as an ipad for taking pictures? Like that?
Does this happen a lot?
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
People who travel with it instead of their laptops/smart phones. The chance of someone having their tablet with them is much higher than someone carrying around a DSLR. I would carry a DSLR if I knew I would be taking pictures. I would carry a tablet much more often.
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the only interesting thing about it is that apple has cut their profit margin to compete with android.
That's OK. iPad is still in the rapid growth phase.
Really? You think so?
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A big yawn there.
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"excuse me here, but i thought a retina display implied ~300dpi this one falls a fair bit short of the mark if i'm not mistaken so once again apple marketing triumphs over al"l
264 dpi, 2048x1536 in 10 inches... maybe your complaint is about some imagined deficiency, but if you'd care to explain how this is actually a failure, I'd love to hear it. Are you actually complaining that if you freeze frame and squint really hard from two inches away you can actually make out... (gasp)... pixels? Because you couldn't make them out at normal viewing distance.
In other words, tell me how your post isn't just a knee-jerk, pointless, anti-apple jab with no redeeming value.
if you have one you're going to take it places like family functions and vacations so that it will probable be in your hands
You should try going to family functions and on vacation without being tied to an electronic device. It's much more rewarding.
Seriously, who in Apples massive marketing department decided that "The new iPad" is a good name for a product?
What's the iPad 4 going to be called? "The newer iPad"? Seriously guys, it's a terrible name.
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You clearly haven't used a playbook, if you have then your blind. Reviewers can say what they want, it doesn't make them right, after all some reviewers would of called Hitler's method's a new view to solve a problem.
Just what I'm looking for -- a distribution professional to do my PR.
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The new iPad device has 2048 pixel horizontal resolution, yet they still only show FOUR icons across. What is with Apple (and Microsoft, and Gnome, etc) all wanting to put a GUI designed for a small phone device, onto devices which are obviously more capable than phones?
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The iPad one is the lowest quality tablet I have ever used, I'm not joking. It's to big, has a horrible OS installed on it, has a cumbersome feel and user experience and to top it off it doesn't support flash. I fail to see any comparison, even the iPad 2 which I've also used doesn't compare, being thin doesn't make you better, it just makes you look like you care about about your look then your users experience. The iPad 2 suffers from all the same issues and it adds the new feature of being to thin.
In general I hate almost everything apple puts out because they never seem to care about how there user will use there products, they just know when they put an apple on it some people will buy out of impulse. I have yet to find an apple product ( minus the iPod ) that delivers a decent user experience from the OS up the esthetics.
Android wins again!
AP is reporting that the new iPad's name is simply "iPad". It's not iPad 3 or iPad HD, it's simply "iPad".
Wonder how the retailers are going to assure their customers that "iPad" is better and newer than "iPad 2"?
You are entitled to your opinions however you can't dispute facts. And the facts are the PlayBook was missing many features at launch. It does not have a great library of apps. Please discuss which of these are untrue. Also please list which specs of the PlayBook were superior to the iPad.
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You can already get 28"+ monitors at that resolution, have been able to for years. What really excites me is quad HD for TV. 3840 x 2160.
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I miss the old Apple Computer.
Thanks Apple, maybe now you'll push the monitor and tv makers to go over 1080 vertical resolution.
Why do all notebook displays suck in dpi?
Because so many applications suck in DPI. Vertical market applications may not have been tested at any DPI other than the Windows default of 96. So if you set your window system's DPI so that text remains readable, your applications are likely to become ugly at best or unusable at worst. This has caused a lack of demand for laptop-sized high-DPI panels.
Alright, so count me as a doubter that didn't think they'd pull out the super hi-res screen and keep it at the same price. So all of a sudden Apple comes out of nowhere with screen resolution that leapfrogs everything out there, including pretty much all of the LCD desktop monitors that I've used. So where is everyone else with super hi-res screens on commodity LCD monitors, laptops, etc.? Let alone Android tablets? When and where will we see those?
Pixels aren't everything. In the film days, a 35mm slide had significantly higher resolution that the new iPad screen. That does not mean one would want to have a screen only 35mm as it would be very difficult to see for any real work.
While I am all for higher resolution, ultimately the physical size is important, too. Take your two 22 inch screens, if you were to put all of the data on those two screens on the single iPad screen, would you be able to work just as effectively?
The Jumbotron at the stadium has lousy resolution compared to a modern iPad, but it definitely works better than using a single iPad as the Jumbotron.
Why pay $500 for this when a Playbook is $200 and runs droid apps?
you can take pictures on your phone but you will be careful due to the the data charges. sitting on the beach you will probably have an ipad in your hands reading a book or watching a movie and not an iphone
All the major OSes today support that res and higher.
I understand this. But for one thing, a lot of end users don't know how to set the window system's DPI, and for another, a lot of obscure yet business-critical applications have never been optimized for high DPI displays. Please see my other comment.
I *want* things to be clear at 1/4th the size onscreen!
Senior citizens with failing eyesight would find such small text unreadable.
I still will wonder what Apple marketing is doing. How the hell can you call your new gizmo iPad? That's like backtracking. Usually things go like this iPad, iPad 1, iPad2, iPad 3/iPad HD. Someone in marketing isn't doing their job....or they let some geek name it?
See the specs anyway: http://tech-factor.blogspot.com/
Err...Netflix? I get blurays from them, and they work out great!!
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for everyone to sell their old iPad! My biggest pet peeve, it's the most expensive "disposable" personal electronic device. It seems like it's embarrassing to be seen with the not-quite-latest version
Indeed it is! Everybody must sell their old iPad for cheap! To penny-pinching bastards like myself, who would like an iPad to play with, but can't justify handing over $500+ for one...
Anyone know the best place to get a good deal on a used-but-still-working-reliably iPad?
Apple wants everybody to buy a new iPad but doesn't really want them to sell their old iPad for cheap. If the market is flooded with used iPads, the used iPad price will drop. When that happens, it will be harder for Apple to sell new iPads at the current price. Why buy a new iPad 3 for $600 when I can buy a used iPad 2 for $200?
While some people will sell their old iPads to buy an iPad 3, then when Apple releases the iPad 4, they won't have to worry about competing against android or microsoft tablets, the stiff competition will be their own used products.
Why would somebody with a smartphone *not* carry it with them? And if they're not carrying it, what's the odds that they'd carry a tablet in that same situation?
How many people go to foreign countries for family functions?
I'd have to guess that would be a very , very tiny niche market? Don't most people in the world, live in the same country as the majority of their family?
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Trackpoint is owned by IBM, so you'll never see that.
It's owned by Lexmark and used on Lenovo laptops, but both Lexmark and Lenovo have historic ties to IBM. U.S. Patent 5,521,596 expires in May of next year though.
Hmm...I'd guess anyone that would drop some serious cash to get a DSLR, would likely be invested and interested enough to carry it around with them...especially on vacations, where people often see new sites and take lots of pictures.
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I expect they will, maybe not as a large proportion of people with shot batteries, but as a large percentage of new iPad sales.
(i.e. 10 million iPads with failing batteries, 9 million send it in for replacement, 1 million just buy new iPad; combined with maybe 10% growth, or 1 million new owners buying their first iPads. Most users (90%) replace the battery, but fully half of sales go in the shot-battery column)
The reason some will buy new tablets is that Moore's law holds (and if/when it stops holding, there'll still be progress year-to-year, just not as good). So if you need to lay out cash anyway to replace the battery, may as well spring for the newest model, eh?
That's OK. iPad is still in the rapid growth phase. They need to appeal to people who don't yet have an iPad, not people who already have a slightly older model.
But that's not how Apple operate. Their fans are supposed to buy the iDevice + 1 model. If not, they're dis-communicated and treated like ex-Scientologists?
For whatever reason, the PowerVR mobile GPUs are described in number of cores.
Well there's a technical reason. To go back to the grand parent:
You talk about them in terms of shaders, ROPs, TMUs and so on.
These are organised in a module. The various different models in a range a distinguished by the number of such modules. (That's what the number of "Streming Multiprocessor" is in tables of GeForce cards).
Either by product binning: the factory makes GPU with 8 such modules, then test how many of these are actually usable and how many have defects and then activate between 1 and 7 of them and sells them as a different product in the same range. From "GPU Destructor 990 XL-Deluxe Elite" (with 7 of the 8 core activated - and needs 3 12v connectors) down to "GPU Destructor 120 Light Laptop Edition (only 1 usable core, but sips only 30 Watts). (And some time less core are activated than actually usable due to demand and offer economic laws, leading to users who try to unlock core and convert one card to the next one in the series simply by flashing a new firmware - a classic with some GeForce series).
Or by producing variants: Desktop range a based on a 8-module design, Laptop range have a 4 module design at a finer process, so it uses a lot less energy.
(I know some ATI/AMD GPUs are organised so).
In the case of PowerVR, from what I remember, GPUs were designed to be able to work in parallel (I think: each GPU taking care of a different tile of the deferred tile-based rendering). So it's very likely that maket speak "4 core GPU" means "4 modules" which in fact is "4 powerVRs working in parallel" (for a speed increase approaching 4x).
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oh wait the stupid osx can't handle the resolution on a display so small.
there's a reason they go doubling the res, it's so that it's easy to scale the apps. they'll even rather do that than take the hard decision to bring not so nice upwards/downwards compatibility to app developers. but why can't the bastards give me selective doubling on osx and a decent screen on a macbook?
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Which is about as big as the group of people who carry a DS or 3DS with them to grab pictures...
That is, pretty damn nonexistant. I've never seen a picture with the iPad metatags.
The Verge reports that it's a feature of iTunes 10.6, which also released today.
If this were a discussion about an Android device like the Transformer, the Apple fanbois would all be mocking anyone dumb enough to want to carry around a huge tablet to take pictures with, just like they mocked voice controls before Siri. "Who would want to be seen talking to their PHONE?"
The funny thing about Apple fans. If their devices can do it, it's the most important function in the world and *everybody* should be using it. (but if anyone else DOES do it, they're merely copying Apple's brilliant innovations and should be sued all to hell) If their devices can't do it, *nobody* should be doing it because it's wrong; furthermore, it's blasphemous.
So, it has a much higher screen resolution for viewing photos and video, but still no more storage space than the iPad 2 (up to 64 GB). Does it really make sense to still limit the device to 64 GB, given the unavoidable increase in the file sizes it'll be handling?
I understand that there's an industry push to make everything "cloud-y", and streamed (all the better to prevent people actually owning copies of files), but it does make me wonder if the iPad 7 will actually only have enough internal storage space for a single photo...
This is ridiculous. Someone in the computer monitor business should get his ass kicked.
My 24" monitor has a resolution of 1920x1200 and even that was difficult to find - most were only 1920x1080 (a.k.a Full HD).
How come a puny tablet has more pixels than a 24" monitor and no one is doing anything about it?!
No, the 4:3 aspect ratio is not going to return, and for good reason: a monitor with 4:3 ratio has 12% more screen area than the same diagonally sized monitor that has a 16:9 ratio. To put it in other terms, a 21" monitor with 16:9 ratio has less screen area than a 20" monitor with a 4:3 ratio. That translates into cheaper manufacturing, less screen material to use for more diagonal size.
Sure, you rather have a 4:3 monitor and maybe you're willing to pay a bit extra... but here's what the advertising looks like:
21" wide-screen monitor for $188.44
20" monitor for $192.00
Which one are you going to choose? Which one do you think the average Joe going to choose?
note: my example prices are based on exactly $1 per square inch.
I spent about a year with a first generation iPad as my primary computing device. I'd purchased a blue tooth keyboard and it worked fine for what I needed it to do, most write term papers.
What I found is that it was a royal pain to switch back and forth between my text editor and my web browser (or PDF viewer). This was the largest draw back for me.
I also found Mobile Safari to be less than stellar. Now that I've switched to a Mac Book Air, I tend to have 20 to 30 Chrome tabs open at once. Good luck with that on Mobile Safari. And, worse, it would tend to refresh the page and lose its position when I switched to the text editor and then back. That makes it difficult to write term papers.
Lastly, my preferred text editing solution (LaTeX) was unavailable (and will always be unavailable) for iOS. This meant that I'd have to borrow my kids computer for a half hour to an hour to finish up my term papers. In the grand scheme of writing 10 or 15 thousand words from start to finish, that's not so bad.
I still miss the iPad. Gestures on the touch screen were a thing of brilliance. Lion makes up for some of that with the track pad. But it just isn't the same. I also miss the battery life and the ability to take it somewhere without the keyboard.
For many people, an iPad is probably all the computer they really need. For me, not so much. But the hardware limitations weren't what I bumping into. The problem was policy. Apple does not want apps that can run turing machines. LaTeX with its macro language is right out. Apple hasn't made a way to task switch back and forth between programs in an intuitive fashion. Maybe by the time it comes to replace my Mac Book, they'll finally be there. They aren't there yet.
It still costs more than a laptop and does less than a laptop.
I find being offended by me offensive.
ugh. I hope I never attend a family function where every relative is toting around a frickin ipad!
Some news that I'm not sure if you're aware of: cameras on phones don't magically stop working when you leave the country. I don't know anyone who would rather carry around a giant fricking ipad instead of a smart phone, unless they wear monster baggy pants with 12"x9" pockets.
sitting on the beach you will probably have an ipad in your hands reading a book
I assume that in your fantasy vision, it's a cloudy day? The iPad fails at visibility in bright sunlight. For reading in sunlight an eInk Kindle, Nook, etc. are going to be infinitely better -- almost as good as (gasp!) an actual book!
or watching a movie
Why even go to the beach if you're just going to watch a movie?
Besides, if you want to watch a movie, why would anyone pick a tablet? If you pick a tablet, why watch outside where you can barely see the display? Why additionally choose an environment that is decidedly hostile to electronics?
Have you ever been to the beach? For that matter, have you ever been outside?
you can take pictures on your phone but you will be careful due to the the data charges.
What? I can take as many pictures as my sd card will hold and not incur any data charges.
Seriously, a dedicated camera makes WAY more sense for a beach vacation than an tablet or mobile phone.
Also, if you're vacationing with your family put down the damn computer screen. Your wife and children will appreciate it greatly.
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That'a insane!
So far you haven't given a single coherent argument for why Playbook is better than iPad, except for "I hate almost everything apple".
I remember reading this somewhere, but apparently it is easier to make smaller panels with less flaws, and harder to maker larger panels with the same amount of flaws. It had little to do with actual resolution, but rather the surface area of the panel. So a super high res iphone / ipad sized display is nowhere near as hard to make as something of the same resolution but at say 24"
There are already a bunch of Android tablets announced with 1080p screens, starting with Asus TF700. They are probably not aiming higher than 1080p because Android apps can generally adjust pretty well to screen of a different size and proportions.
Seriously, you're pulling out Hitler to win an argument? Way to Godwin's Law it after just two posts.
As for the PlayBook itself, what makes it good in your mind? RIM is known for its e-mail system. It's been the biggest selling point on their BlackBerry devices for years. The PlayBook was missing any sort of legitimate integration with the BlackBerry e-mail system until just last month (almost a full year after launch). That's inexcusable. Similarly, it was missing a calendar app. Why, I have no clue, since that's so basic and so necessary that it should have been at the very top of their list of included apps.
Worse than all of those though, it has no cohesive way to develop for it. For instance, they've promised BlackBerry Java support, but have yet to deliver it. Android support was finally added last month (again, almost a year after launch), but only for Android 2.3 apps, and only if the developer repackages it specifically for the Playbook (how's that been going so far?). No word on support for Android 3.x or 4.x apps. They also support Adobe AIR apps, which is pretty much a hail mary attempt to say that their checklist is bigger than the other guys' checklist, since almost no one cares about Adobe AIR support on a tablet. Perhaps most importantly, they do support C/C++ apps, but judging by the fact that they have only a hair over 10,000 apps in total (counting all of these languages) a year after launch, I'm guessing there hasn't been much interest.
The entire thing has been a massive debacle in terms of design, engineering, and marketing. I have serious, serious trouble taking anyone serious if they actually advocate that the PlayBook was a good device. There's a reason the co-CEOs who founded the company stepped down a few months ago, and it's not because the PlayBook is a success.
There have been other like Sharp demoing high res screens. But that one appeared to be a prototype that was a long time away. I speculate the main reason you haven't heard is that Apple secured these displays a long time ago and have been working on getting them manufactured without all the PR as the company(s) behind them didn't need PR for customers as they were already bought.
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Awaiting the usual "fuck everything, we're going to 5G" comment.
The iPad fails at visibility in bright sunlight.
I've read on the iPad 2 out in the sun. You can see it just fine.
The new display is even brighter.
And none of the devices you listed are NEARLY as good now for reading. They simply do not have the combination of DPI and color, which (the DPI in particular) makes reading WAY nicer.
Seriously, a dedicated camera makes WAY more sense for a beach vacation than an tablet or mobile phone.
I agree with that, over a tablet.
The iPhone 4s though would happily replace a normal compact camera for me. It's more than good enough for that use and there are a TON of third party things like waterproof cases.
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haters gonna hate
1280 pixels is the sweet spot for browsing
It is silly to think in terms like that for browsing.
On a smaller screen the increase in pixel density is very useful, because you are mostly looking at fairly scaled down web pages. The text can render readably even down to as small as five points or so, which makes the whole browser more usable because you spend less time zooming in and out to read.
The iPhone4 screen has been fantastic for reading, I am REALLY looking forward to this newer high DPI screen for reading all kinds of things, browsing among them.
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For example, many insurance agents, coaches, doctors and pilots are moving to iPads because of vertical apps that make their professions easier.
If one doesn't fall into a profession where that is true, don't buy an iPad.
(And the various Android market places really do not compare to the Apple app store nor do the cases with blue tooth keyboards make an iPad thicker than most net books. But, to be fair, sometimes those Android market places do have apps that aren't on the iPad. But see the first two sentences of this post.)
with 4G LTE, the new iPad will provide up to 73 Mbps download speeds
So that means you can go through your "generous" and expensive 1 GB dataplan in 112 seconds or slightly under 2 minutes then.
Or less than 30 seconds with cheaper plans that allow maybe 250 MB/month.
Recent datalimits feel like it's still 1995 or something. Only without a cable attached.
Every expression is true, for a given value of 'true'
so the obvious choice is - The iPad Maxi !
That was a funny joke before there were a large number of 7" Android Phablets produced...
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I think that my use-cases for iPad as a camera are quite contrived. Maybe I'm reading out in public when something record-worthy starts happening, so instead of having to pull out my phone, I just switch apps. Or I know ahead of time that I'm going to want to do editing directly on the iPad, so I just record on it from the beginning. Otherwise, I would probably never use the iPad as a camera intentionally, preferring my iPhone or a dedi.
The iPhone camera is good enough to completely replace my point-and-shoot, though. It's worse quality, but not much, and there's great convenience in only having to carry the one device. If the iPad camera is similar, I guess I could see some people choosing to use it over a point-and-shoot, but only if they are trying to cut down on what they have to lug around and they want the iPad for other reasons.
Rather than having a case with a built-in keyboard, it may make sense for users to have a bluetooth keyboard at their desks. Then they can use the keyboard at their desks and grab just the iPad when going mobile for meetings, et cetera.
It seems to me that such would be great for insurance agents with a vertical app installed. They could use the iPad at the site of the insured to take pictures and complete the form but they wouldn't be bogged down by the additional weight of the keyboard.
It's expensive though. Eurocom has one model with an option for a 1920x1200 screen, and of course there's the 17" macbook pro.
Personally, I want a 24" monitor with the dpi of the ipad3.
> The iPhone camera is good enough to completely replace my point-and-shoot, though. It's worse quality, but not much, and there's great convenience in only having to carry the one device.
"It's worse quality" is a good enough reasons to carry a dedicated camera, as is being able to point and click a dedicated button rather than change apps, wait for the app to load, and then visually target a virtual shutter button. But I have a use case that no phone camera has been able to match so far.
Waterproof.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
Perhaps. But it's not better than the S95 also in my backpack...
Spec Wise iPad 1:
1GHz ARM Cortex-A8 processor
Apple A4 chipset
Dimensions: 242.8 x 189.7 x 13.4 mm
Weight: 730 g
9.7-inch LED-backlit TFT capacitive touchscreen with 768 x 1024 pixels resolution
Display features: scratch-resistant surface, multi-touch input method, accelerometer
256MB RAM
Internal storage: 16GB, 32GB, 64GB
Internet connectivity: WiFi + 3G; WiFi
Bluetooth 2.1
USB 2.0
TV-out 35mm audio jack
Spec Wise Playbook 1:
BODY Dimensions 194 x 130 x 10 mm
Weight 425 g
DISPLAY Type TFT capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 600 x 1024 pixels, 7.0 inches (~170 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch Yes
SOUND Alert types N/A
Loudspeaker Yes, with stereo speakers
3.5mm jack Yes
MEMORY Card slot No
Internal 16/32/64 GB storage, 1 GB RAM
DATA GPRS No
EDGE No
Speed No
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n
Bluetooth Yes, v2.1, EDR
USB Yes, microUSB v2.0
CAMERA Primary 5 MP, 2592x1944 pixels, autofocus
Video Yes, 1080p@30fps
Secondary Yes, 3 MP, 1080p@30fps
So off the bat:
The Ram on the playbook is increased greatly, The Video quality is better, the support codecs are better, There is flash support, The form factor is nice ( This is a preference but the iPad was WAY to big over it's Length and Width ), Weight is lower, Better USB Support, Better TV out as the playbook supports HDMI, Better sounds chipset drivers. Thats a simple first base analysis, you could go deeper and look at chips and code but based off this I would say the Playbook takes it.
On a side note I find iOS to be completely unusable, it has a very poor user experience. I find Apple has never really made a good GUI and when your dealing with an end product it's something you have to look at, the Playbook has a very natural and intuitive layout making it a joy to use every day, the iPad has everything mixed together, bad initial icon's and a silly over all design, of course this is just what I think and I'll take it that not everyone thinks this way so I'll leave this one to the side.
Why would you talk about smartphones vs tablets when the point was DSLR's vs tablets?
Paying $600+ for iPad/case/keyboard combos versus $250 for the netbook makes good business sense how?
The iPad is a lot more usable than a netbook, because iPad software is tailored to the device.
Using a Netbook means you are generally running software that usually was built targeting a much more powerful system - yes it runs, but not well.
The iPad is also more durable and has a much better resale value. It makes no sense to me to spend $250 per year on a netbook when an iPad will last for three and you can sell it for $200 when you upgrade.
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Consult a lower post where I compared them spec for spec also please note I did mention how the Apple user experience is horrible, which it is!
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.... Not everyone lives in the US? Some people live in countries where blockbuster is failing too so it can't work out for them!!
Errr
Perhaps the GP also lives in a country without Netflix
If I was witty I'd put something funny here but, as it stands, I am not and have just wasted seconds of your life
Yes if you consider Steve Jobs like Hitler which isn't a far extraction, he did mention how he wants to destroy an entire Operating System because he just didn't like it :-).
The Playbook had mail apps from the start, if you find it completely bothersome to have to click two or three icons to read your mail then no one can really help you. If you sync'd the Playbook with your blackberry you got mail and calender support, what did you get if you sync'd an iPhone with the iPad? The Playbook has better initial codec support on the device, it has better video quality supporting HDMI, it has flash support. The Playbook has HDMI out which is something the iPad can't say for itself, the Playbook is a reasonable size and not the size of a small TV ( iPad ). The Playbook is lighter ( which all apple fans should love ), I think that little list speaks up for the Playbook, I've used for an iPad and Playbook and right now I only use a Playbook because it's the only device which really delivers on what a user wants a tablet to do.
But it's roughly the same as my camera phone. I don't get the point of having a rear-facing camera on the ipad. For the price of the components, it's fine. The camera is so cheap they may as well have it. I just don't know why I'd ever use it. I'd much rather have a good front-facing camera for HD video chat. The ipad 2 vs iPad New comparison I saw on engadget showed them both as having the same resolution VGA cameras on the front. I suppose a 4:3 resolution makes sense for the ipad's front facing camera.. but that low resolution is a little painful. Maybe it's a higher-quality part that is simply scaled down to work nicely over a 3G/LTE-based connection? I suppose most consumer broadband has pretty low upload rates as well. But even so, it seems a shame it doesn't scale up to higher quality levels.
Comparing spec by spec is pretty pointless except for a few highly visible things (like pixel density or camera quality) - it doesn't matter if one has 512Mb RAM and the other has 1Gb, what matters is what can actually be done with that much RAM, and how smooth it all works. And, in practice, iPad seems to be offering a lot in "getting things done" department, whatever its specs.
Comparing weight and screen is pointless for devices of two different form factors. Of course a 7" tablet is going to weight less than a 10" one! But, personally, I would never consider a 7" device - for pocketability I already have my smartphone, and for a tablet I want something decently sized. Granted, this is subjective - but so is that entire argument, because it basically boils down to whether 7" or 10" is better.
The argument from usability is valid, but subjective. I don't much like iOS myself, preferring Android (ICS for tablets), but a lot of people seem to swear by it despite having tried alternatives.
So the only meaningful objective argument left is Flash support. Which is not really all that important for many people - I appreciate having it on my ICS tablet for those rare cases where I come across something that needs it, but in practice I've found that to be very rare.
It's not appreciably longer for me to pull out my phone and enable the camera than to pull out the camera and turn it on. The camera takes slightly longer to load than the iPhone app (from lockscreen). The volume up button now clicks the shutter.
The quality issue is going to be very subjective. I'm not trying to sell you on an iPhone--just explaining my own uses and comparisons.
There are waterproof cases for the phone, and my point-and-shoot isn't waterproof. Today, there's little reason for me to go back to my dedi. If I were going to consider buying a new one, it would be a hard choice. The cost would be fairly high for fairly little gain.
Sure, for $50,000, and you have to call Sony so that their representative can explain to you why your hospital needs their specialist displays for viewing medical X-Rays.
Ooohh... you meant consumer displays at a reasonable price? Then no, no you can't. I've checked.
I would bet few iPads and large percentage of iphones aren't disposed of. Giving my iPad 1 to my girlfriend when I get my iPad 3. Have given away 2 old iPhones still in use in my family. Because of the strong OS upgrade commitment and the quality, these devices last through multiple users. Much unlike my small but useless collection of old windows laptops, windows mobile phones and a couple of androids. Got 2 great years out of my $499 ipad, don't see any reason it won't be used for 2 more at least.
That sounds about right to me - and I'm going to say the 3 is probably that good enough plateau.
Since I can't tell them apart, I treat all ACs as the same person.
I didn't notice any missing features at launch. I had email, contacts, calendar, etc. through bridge -- as was intended (remember the "your blackberry, amplified" marketing?)
The UI is still above-par -- it's the best of WebOS with some great extras. The OS is technically superior as well. The hardware is rock-solid and the form-factor is perfect for portability.
None of the reviewers complained about the UI, OS, or the hardware -- they complained about the lack of a native email client. Never mind that you could get one of several email clients from App World or that Bridge met that need perfectly (I still prefer it over native, even without the amazing new features in the new client, it doesn't make any sense to me to have it set up separately on the tablet.)
As for Apps, I've found the selection more than adequate. What apps do you think are missing? (It's up to Microsoft to port Skype, and it's up to Netflix to port Netflix. Other than those two, I'm at a loss to find anything missing -- I'd add Hulu to the list, but Hulu worked just fine in the browser for about a week until they purposefully blocked the playbook!) The only category really lacking is games (which I don't care about), but they still have a good number of AAA titles (Dead Space, Modern Combat 2, Need For Speed, Asphalt 6, etc.) and just about all of the popular mobile games like angry birds and bejeweled.
The web browser is undeniably the best on the market. It's fast, great Flash support (it actually doesn't hurt performance), and has better HTML5 support that many desktop browsers -- and better HTML5 support than all other tablets. (WebGL? That works great too!)
Really, the PlayBook is a fantastic tablet that you'd be foolish to ignore when considering a tablet purchase. Try one out some time -- I guarantee that you'll be both surprised and impressed.
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Also please list which specs of the PlayBook were superior to the iPad.
Opps, I forgot to list the specs that were superior to the iPad (I thought specs didn't matter?)
The higher dpi display and twice the ram of the iPad2 come immediately to mind (four times that of the iPad). I have little doubt that I can hunt down more, these are just off the top of my head.
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You are comparing the iPad 1 with the PlayBook instead of the iPad 2 which released a month before the PlayBook. Right off the bat, it appears you do not intend be "fair". The rest of your comparison is rather moot.
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LOL!
I take it you haven't used a PlayBook?
The PlayBook holds it's own really well against the new iPad; not too bad for a year-old device. It's superior in many areas to the iPad 2. Comparing it to the iPad 1 is ... just silly. Side-by-side, you'd be hard pressed to find any reason to pick the iPad 1 over the PlayBook.
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or tits?
You may be more likely to have your e-reader (iPad) on hand than your non-working phone. On the other hand, the camera on it is really just a bonus - clearly based on the accessories, software, and it's inter-connectivity with iCloud, Apple is marketing this towards amateurs who want to do light duty photoshop and share images with others. It's hardly meant to be a primary camera, though it'll fill in - in a pinch.
I didn't notice any missing features at launch. I had email, contacts, calendar, etc. through bridge -- as was intended (remember the "your blackberry, amplified" marketing?)
Please. That tethering thing was a stopgap because it was rushed out. Also at the time of launch those mail and contacts support was promised "summer 2011". That date passed and it wasn't until Spring 2012 that the PlayBook had it.
None of the reviewers complained about the UI, OS, or the hardware -- they complained about the lack of a native email client.
Are you kidding? They all complained about the lack of email. That's why they called it "incomplete."
Never mind that you could get one of several email clients from App World or that Bridge met that need perfectly (I still prefer it over native, even without the amazing new features in the new client, it doesn't make any sense to me to have it set up separately on the tablet.)
If memory serves me the iPad didn't require you to have an iPhone. A Xoom didn't require you to have a Droid.
As for Apps, I've found the selection more than adequate. What apps do you think are missing? (It's up to Microsoft to port Skype, and it's up to Netflix to port Netflix. Other than those two, I'm at a loss to find anything missing -- I'd add Hulu to the list, but Hulu worked just fine in the browser for about a week until they purposefully blocked the playbook!) The only category really lacking is games (which I don't care about), but they still have a good number of AAA titles (Dead Space, Modern Combat 2, Need For Speed, Asphalt 6, etc.) and just about all of the popular mobile games like angry birds and bejeweled.
The web browser is undeniably the best on the market. It's fast, great Flash support (it actually doesn't hurt performance), and has better HTML5 support that many desktop browsers -- and better HTML5 support than all other tablets. (WebGL? That works great too!)
If the small selection of apps is fine for you, that's great. Most people (and I mean consumers) would want more apps.
Really, the PlayBook is a fantastic tablet that you'd be foolish to ignore when considering a tablet purchase. Try one out some time -- I guarantee that you'll be both surprised and impressed.
An Android or iPad are really the only choices that offer the best long term viability.
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Apple painted themselves into a corner resolution-wise. They have to double it, or not change it at all.
For some reason iOS developers all forgot how to code for multiple screen resolutions -- even though they've (for the most part) been doing it for years, and handling highly variable aspect ratios at the same time.
Even when I'm targeting a specific mobile device, I make sure that the layout adapts correctly to various resolutions and aspect ratios. It takes very little extra work and the rewards are great when your needs change in the future and you need to port it to a different device or class of devices with different resolutions and aspect ratios.
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Higher display DPI isn't really a feature when your screen is smaller. The 1024x 600 on a 7" isn't really a better display than a 1024x768 on a 10". If you want a smaller screen, go for it. As for RAM yes it was twice that of iPad2. I didnt see that it mattered much when it came to performance.
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That's why I take my superzoom with me, so that the best camera I have is a good one. If your DSLR is sitting in your closet you have too much camera, a pocket point-and-shoot is a better choice for a camera if you don't actually intend to carry a camera bag, not something as unwiedly as an iPad (the best camera being the one that is with you when your backpack isn't, the fact that it's technically better is just icing). This argument applies to phones, not tablets.
Analogies don't equal equalities, they are merely somewhat analogous.
Yes I'm comparing version numbers, Playbook 1 and iPad 1, fair is fair. Playbook 2 and iPad 2 get compared etc..... The original Playbook was to release long before it did closer to the iPad 1 so it is still a fair comparison, that change that caused the delay effected the uC and that forced a layout rework and hence the delay.
Your move, Einstein.
Please. That tethering thing was a stopgap because it was rushed out. Also at the time of launch those mail and contacts support was promised "summer 2011". That date passed and it wasn't until Spring 2012 that the PlayBook had it.
Odd, I didn't know that they'd take a 'stopgap' measure that actually takes more effort to produce than a native client -- especially one that requires that they make an email, contacts, and calendar app that takes advantage of Bridge!
That's just laughable.
And yes, I prefer Bridge, as do many other happy PlayBook users. Again, if you really really wanted a native client, it was just a download away from day one. Consumers had it even better -- they could actually just use their web mail like they do on their desktop, with the full desktop browsing experience that RIM gave you out of the box.
None of the reviewers complained about the UI, OS, or the hardware -- they complained about the lack of a native email client.
Are you kidding? They all complained about the lack of email. That's why they called it "incomplete."
Reading comprehension fail!
If the small selection of apps is fine for you, that's great. Most people (and I mean consumers) would want more apps.
No, they don't. They've been told that they want more apps. In reality, consumers on average have less than 50 apps installed on their mobile devices. They don't want a zillion apps, they want a few specific ones. App World has over 60,000 apps right now -- a small number compared to iOS and Android, but a number that more than adequately meets the needs of the average consumer. I haven't found App World at all limiting.
An Android or iPad are really the only choices that offer the best long term viability.
LOL! PlayBook sales are up post OS2 and RIM continues to grow their customer base every quarter. Their new OS, back-end tools, and new innovative features (not found on other platforms) are just part of the new RIM -- they're also expanding into new industries where they've shown great potential and have formed great b2b relationships. In short, I highly doubt RIM isn't going anywhere any time soon.
Even if they closed up shop tomorrow, would that make the user experience on the PlayBook any less impressive? That you think they're doomed has no impact at all on how astonishing the PlayBook is today. Just compare something simple like multitasking on the PlayBook to iOS and Android.
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No it does not.
Apple's definition of "retina display" factors in typical viewing distances. Since iPads are held further away than the iPhone in normal usage, pixel density can be lower, and the average human eye still cannot distinguish individual pixels.
As for RAM yes it was twice that of iPad2. I didnt see that it mattered much when it came to performance.
Try out a PlayBook some time. The difference in performance between that an the iPad 2 is very noticeable -- especially when you're multitasking -- which the PlayBook UI actually encourages you to do -- and/or when you have a lot of tabs open in the browser.
Of course, a lot of that is likely also helped by the next-gen OS that the PlayBook uses.
As for the higher DPI, yes, that's a good thing no matter what size the display is! That is, unless you want to argue that the higher DPI display on the new iPad doesn't offer you anything over the old iPad display? (Of course it does!)
Still when you write:
You are entitled to your opinions however you can't dispute facts.
You were just kidding, right? Because it sure looks like you're disputing facts here!
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You must upgrade or you will be missing the entire experience and unable to form a true intimate relationship with the device.
Steve would have this no other way. Stop with this 'no need to upgrade' nonsense, it's shamefull.
But...but... I thought Apple was always playing catchup! Thats what the mindless /. drones are always yelling...
How can you sign up for 4G with Canadian telcos Rogers or Telus? According to the announcement:
"Apple's Tim Cook said. It will support U.S., U.K., and Australian English, French, German and Japanese voice dictation."
So there's no support for Canadian French or Canadian English.
I don't think Rogers or Telus are equipped to deal with foreign languages.
Its all driven off off flash memory prices. Apple is shipping so much stuff they practically determine how fast prices can fall, and with volumes ramping so much, they probably can't fall as quickly as they once did. Maybe, if you're real lucky, you'll get 128GB next year. I wouldn't count on it though.
As for the higher DPI, yes, that's a good thing no matter what size the display is! That is, unless you want to argue that the higher DPI display on the new iPad doesn't offer you anything over the old iPad display? (Of course it does!)
Using higher display DPI is a meaningless metric when comparing a 7" display with a 10" display. All the phones that have 960 x 480 and higher resolutions have a higher display DPI than your PlayBook. But you wouldn't compare them now to a PlayBook, would you? Because the Motorola Droid 3 destroys your PlayBook. You are basically using a metric to try to force a comparison that isn't comparable.
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The playbook has a 250+ dpi screen?
Cool!
There are moments when it's simply not worth taking the time to reply for one reason or another (e.g. trolling, massive ignorance, refusal to recognize reality). This is one of them.
I'm glad you enjoy your PlayBook. Have fun.
Great, do they deliver to the UK?
Alright, so count me as a doubter that didn't think they'd pull out the super hi-res screen and keep it at the same price. So all of a sudden Apple comes out of nowhere with screen resolution that leapfrogs everything out there, including pretty much all of the LCD desktop monitors that I've used. So where is everyone else with super hi-res screens on commodity LCD monitors, laptops, etc.? Let alone Android tablets? When and where will we see those?
What about trackpads? The Unibody Macbook (and MBP) in 2008 ushered in a whole new era of unbelievable trackpad usability that is as of yet unmatched in the PC world. I have literally tried dozens of trackpads, trackpoints and trackballs in the PC world and they all have issues (the trackpoint is my fallback for the windows laptop - it is good, but my 2011 thinkpad still exhibits ghost-movement).
So, regarding screen resolution - don't hold your breath. It might take a LONG time, if ever that it comes to the commoditized PC world. Apple would be quite happy to be an exclusive provider of retina displays.
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iPad 2 release date: March 11, 2011
PlayBook release date: April 19, 2011
Yes I'm comparing version numbers, Playbook 1 and iPad 1, fair is fair. Playbook 2 and iPad 2 get compared etc.....
So you're admitting that you don't intend to be fair. Comparing by version numbers instead of comparing by time. By that logic, IE 4 (1997) is the same as Firefox 4 (2011).
The original Playbook was to release long before it did closer to the iPad 1 so it is still a fair comparison, that change that caused the delay effected the uC and that forced a layout rework and hence the delay.
What facts do you have? First of all, the PlayBook was released with Qnx. RIM did not acquire Qnx until April 9, 2010 (iPad 1 release: April 3, 2010) so I don't see how RIM expected to release the PlayBook closer to the iPad 1 unless they have some sort of time machine. Qnx isn't some minor add-on; it's their OS. Second, all these excuses do not bar the facts that the PlayBook was not finished when they did release it in 2011.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
What? When we're talking about DPI, we're talking about clarity. Yes, other devices have a higher DPI than the PlayBook -- consequently, they have sharper displays. This isn't rocket science.
You asked for specs that are higher on the PlayBook than the iPad 2 -- the DPI is indeed higher. Consequently, it has a sharper display.
If you want to ignore that, I really don't care. Though I do wonder why it doesn't count in this instance, when you seem to think it counts when it comes to reading ebooks as you bash lower DPI eInk displays even though they have different screen sizes and resolutions. [ I may have you confused with a different user here. If so, just disregard that last bit. ]
Using higher display DPI is a meaningless metric when comparing a 7" display with a 10" display. All the phones that have 960 x 480 and higher resolutions have a higher display DPI than your PlayBook. But you wouldn't compare them now to a PlayBook, would you?
I wouldn't compare them because those are phones and the other is a tablet. If we were going to compare displays, then yes I would. As you can see above, I unashamedly admit that those displays are sharper than the PlayBook's display. As we're talking about specs between two tablets -- one which has a higher DPI than the other. In that case, the PlayBook clearly has a sharper display.
Why is this so difficult for you to accept? No one product in any category is superior to others on all fronts. The iPad isn't the best tablet for all use cases -- neither is the PlayBook, the Kindle Fire, the Asus Transformer Prime, or any other tablet. Each has their own strengths and weaknesses.
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If it isn't clear to you, the stop gap was RIM always intended the PlayBook to have native clients; but it wasn't ready at the time of launch. I suspect email wasn't the problem. Secure email was the problem. However the stopgap was they marketed the PlayBook as an "accessory" to cover up the fact it wasn't ready. Almost no one but you believed the whole "accessory" thing.
I haven't found App World at all limiting.
Good for you. Unfortunately most consumers disagree with you as they can't find the apps they want. It's not about you.
LOL! PlayBook sales are up post OS2 and RIM continues to grow their customer base every quarter.
Of course they are up. When you start from 0, your sales can only grow up. Also how much of the sales do you think is related to the more than 50% price cuts. Remember when TouchPads didn't sell until HP dropped the price significantly. That doesn't mean the product is successful. If PlayBook sales increased with no price drops, then you might have had a point.
Even if they closed up shop tomorrow, would that make the user experience on the PlayBook any less impressive? That you think they're doomed has no impact at all on how astonishing the PlayBook is today. Just compare something simple like multitasking on the PlayBook to iOS and Android.
If you find the user experience impressive that's your opinion. Most consumers have not.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
The best camera is the one you have with you.
Which is exactly why we have more photos taken than ever, but the average quality is hovering around Zero (as in stinks).
The icameras are the best of the bunch, but they are the world's tallest midgets in that respect.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
I really can't tell if you're trolling, serious or genuinely developmentally challenged.
Well played. Well fucking played.
You are using metric to compare two things not comparable. My motorcycle has better gas mileage than your average car, but it's meaningless to use it compare two things of different classes. As is comparing a truck based on seating capacity to a van. Comparing two vehicles of the same class is how things are normalized. When comparing a 7" tablet with a 10" normalized, you don't compare things that are affected by overall size. In the same vein, I can say the iPad has a much larger sized battery which is true but is also meaningless. The metric that should be gauged is battery life.
Why is this so difficult for you to accept? No one product in any category is superior to others on all fronts. The iPad isn't the best tablet for all use cases -- neither is the PlayBook, the Kindle Fire, the Asus Transformer Prime, or any other tablet. Each has their own strengths and weaknesses.
If you are going to compare two things, use the right comparison.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
so i guess they probably will wait until the ipad 5 comes out... see if they can get a 4 on ebay.
Sooo... Anyone actually gonna waste their money on this new shiny?
The phone in your hand is probably better.
Just sayin'.
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Good luck finding a netbook at 1/3 of that price, $133. Even with an added keyboard, the netbook would have to clock in at $150 to be 1/3 of the price.
The point that netbooks are less expensive, I think, is a fair one. But the low end ones typically come with anemic software (e.g. Windows 7 Home Starter) and are underpowered for doing much of anything. Once you add in the cost of software on machines that will run that software, netbooks start being about the same price as iPads. So the original claim, which I understand that you were not making but a post upstream was making, that netbooks have 1/3 the cost of iPads is pretty silly.
A better argument is utility. While there are some niche applications where iPads are obviously the better machine, in most cases a netbook or low end laptop will be a more appropriate choice.
Not really, tablets can always get thinner, lighter, more battery life, and faster. The first three for usability, and faster because developers can then do more with it. Along the way companies making tablets will also figure out new features they want to include, but they won't be as important as thinner, lighter, more battery, and faster.
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I've already addressed the 'stopgap' nonsense, so I won't bother again.
As for the claim that "most users disagree" I'm willing to bet that you can't support that claim with actual facts. On sites like crackberry, the consensus seems to be that the apps available are more than adequate, lacking only a few "key" apps (netflix and skype)
You're 100% wrong on the claim that the playbook sold no units before the os2 update. You're just making things up now.
As for the completely unsupported claim that "most consumers" don't prefer the PlayBook UI I contend that most tablet buyers haven't even tried using a PlayBook, or even seen one used. To say that they don't prefer something they've never seen is just absurd. It's pretty obvious that you've never used one. Again, I recommend you try one out. Even if you bash it after that, at least you'll have some actual basis for comparison!
I should also point out that reviewers nearly universally praise the PlayBook slick UI. Not that you care -- you don't seem interested in actual discussion.
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Why wouldn't you compare gas mileage between a motorcycle and a car? If you're choosing between the two,it's certainly a factor!
It could be a key point when choosing which one to take to work or on a trip. It's perfectly reasonable to compare gas mileage between the two!
You're out of your mind.
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All the high resolution screens are in the Asian countries but they put one on the side of a moving truck, and it made people nauseous to watch it, so they pulled it.
Let me troll here just a little bit ...
I suspect that it is not so much that iOS developers have forgotten how to code for multiple screen resolutions and aspect ratios as never having learned to. The way things are going, I am afraid that they are not going to learn to, either.
I may be false, but I have got the impression think that most of the people who design iOS apps are much the same people who design web pages by painting pictures in Photoshop and translating them into web pages with a fixed width.
Microsoft is also encouraging this behaviour with Metro. A Metro app needs only to support a few different resolutions, and you are encouraged to align your text and other display elements to the same pixels as in other apps. No scaling here, either.
"We mustn't be caught by surprise by our own advancing technology" -- Aldous Huxley
Not sure why people think this is a big issue. Battery replacements for laptops can already be like $150 sometimes. Adding 20 minutes of moderately-skilled labor to that equation doesn't change much.
So you figure it's $200 after labor and markup and they can fix their iPad version N - 1. Or they can spend the same $200 on a brand new Kindle Fire version N + 1, which has whatever level of 'better' they manage to put in it given three or four years of technological progress.
You can kind of see how there might be a lot of converts.
just another way to separate morons from their money
There's an element of truth, but having photos as memories for later can be rewarding too. The trick is to know when to take photos and when to put the camera/phone down and enjoy the moment(s).
This seemed like a reasonable sig at the time.
Eh, but short of some revolutionary thing (foldable, maybe, like plastic sheets?) I don't see those being big issues for the consumer market the iPad is aimed at.
Since I can't tell them apart, I treat all ACs as the same person.
Rim might of made a few mistakes on release but there very small and really never hindered the tablet, I've used the iPad, iPad2 and Playbook and Playbook 2 and from HOURS and HOURS of testing and comparison, Rim wins all the time. I gave you the comparable stats that are meant to face each other so if you want to try and grab stats from somewhere else we can put them up with each other lets do that.
iPad2 Stats Taken from Apple!
1GHz dual-core A5 CPU
512MB RAM
16GB, 32GB, 64GB storage options
Front & Rear Cameras, front is VGA, rear is 720p
9.7 LED display with 1024×768 screen resolution at 132ppi
GPU said to be 9x faster
Video output supports up to 1080p
Runs iOS 4.3
10 hour battery life
White & Black color options
3G models are AT&T and Verizon compatible
1.3 lbs
Thinner build
Okay so the iPad2 has 1080p out, so does the Playbook so tie there, The iPad2 DOES NOT have a true HD camera so they lose there. The iPad2 is still MUCH heavier which is a down side so they lose there, the Playbook still has more memory so Apple again loses there, The battery life is the same on listing but the Playbook battery doesn't degrade as fast I know from person use so Apple loses another point. I think were not looking good here for the iPad2 ...... The CPU is faster and a better overall architecture in the Playbook so another Apple loss. They don't have a touch interactive frame so another point taken. Okay so the IPad2 takes another fail, the Playbook beats out both of them! I'll give Apple one point for being thinner but being thin and lacking features shouldn't earn them a point.
Great a thinner, higher resolution tablet which still doesn't come close to matching the playbook. In this case sales doesn't equal quality!
I'm still waiting for someone to create an argument which actually disproves this statement.
You offered and opinion (that the Playbook is better than the new iPad [which you've never seen], and the original iPad and iPad 2 by extension).
I (or anyone else) can't disprove that, because it's an opinion that you hold. I can provide various objective measures that can attempt to quantify such things, such as system specs, app ecosystem, sales figures, user experience polls etc, but in the end it comes down to an opinion that you have. Such things are often used but aren't everything - as you say, often the most popular thing isn't the best thing, or the most powerful spec device might not be the best etc. It's never that simple.
If you think the Playbook is better then good for you - go and buy one. The existence or not of the iPad doesn't change that.
With this post though, you've let it slip, since you're definitely trolling. If you're not... well... I really hope you're trolling.
I doubt I will be able to see the difference... :)
The problem is apps do not. There's nothing Windows can do to fix that. You adjust the DPI scaling in Windows and it works great with the OS and apps that are DPI aware. You can set it to extreme values and the scaling is fluid and flawless. The problem is not all apps are and there is fuck all Windows can do in terms of forcing them. Worse still, some apps are "kinda" aware. Like they'll do their UI layout in absolute pixels, but their fonts will be rendered with sizing per DPI scaling so if you turn it up, the UI breaks.
This has been one of the things holding high rez displays back (there are others, anyone who thinks it is simple and unproblematic has their head in the sand) is that scaling can be problematic. Windows has no catching up to do at all, ever since Vista it has had flawless scaling. However they can't make people write their apps properly, and programmers are lazy. It'll take time for stuff to catch up.
Even newer shit can be problematic. Firefox doesn't listen to Windows. On my laptop I have 125% scaling due to the higher DPI. IE works as expected, everything, text, images, layout, is scaled up. FF doesn't listen, it keeps everything at the default size, it wants me to use its internal controls.
Also notices Apple "cheated" a bit: The new display is precisely 2x in each direction of the old one. That means apps that can't handle it can just be pixel doubled. Fair enough, but not so feasible on a desktop. The real answer is apps need to listen to the OS and properly render their UI elements at the size specified. Developers are being slow on that.
Same as colour managed shit. Windows has top rate colour management built in to it. However apps actually have to listen to the colour management profiles Windows stores. Few do. They just blithely assume everything is still sRGB and go on their way, even though the OS provides all the tools they need to find out the actual colour space of a device, and to map to it.
Well, a new iPad battery is $50 on iFixit, plus labour cost if you don't want to swap it yourself.
That has been my argument against tablets in most cases: If you have a smartphone and a laptop, which nearly all tablet owners do, your tablet is useless. It doesn't fill a need, it is just a shiny toy. That's the reason I don't own one. I own a lot of tech and I'm always up for more toys, but I can't see what need it fills that is not better filled by my laptop or my smartphone.
I've also observed this at work. A number of professors bought iPads the day they came out (and iPad 2s, and I'm sure they'll do the same here). I see them messing with them from time to time, but never using them for work. They don't use them to give presentations, they use their laptop. They don't use them to check appointments, they use their smartphone. They don't use them to write papers, they use their desktop. They have no need for the thing, it was a "Ooooo shiny!" kind of purchase. They try to invent users for it like "Well I can check my e-mail on it," which of course they could do on any of the other devices.
This isn't to see I've never seen a valid "This does things better," kind of use for tablets, but far less then the numbers sold. Most people have no use for them. That is not to say they cannot find things to do on them, just to say they have other devices that already do those things as well or better.
I really should write this up and save it on my computer since I seem to have to give this talk on Slashdot fairly often. High rez displays are NOT a simple issue. There are a number of technical things that have to happen before they are feasible. Now these things are all finally coming together, but only quite recently. Thus it should be no surprise we haven't seen them yet. So some of the issues are:
1) Proper DPI scaling. If displays are going to get much smaller than the 72DPI standard, then things need to scale up properly so people can still see shit. If you are 18 with laser sharp vision you may not understand but trust me, you will. Well the problem is that many programs still don't do that well. Windows itself does, and has since Vista (XP supported scaling but there were some issues, Vista and 7 do it flawlessly) but some apps do not. Some just don't scale, some break their UIs, etc. So this has to be largely hashed out before higher DPI displays will take off.
2) Interconnect bandwidth. Lots of pixels takes lots of bandwidth and that is not an nontrivial issue. Even 1920x1080x24bpp@60Hz. That takes almost 3gbps raw (not counting control signals or overhead). So say you want that doubled in both dimensions, now you need almost 12gbps raw. DVI can't handle that. DP can, but only the new 1.2 spec which didn't happen until the very end of 2009 (and of course implementation takes time after specification). Now what if you also want deep colour (more than 8bpp) and 120Hz?
3) Video memory. You have to take the entirety of the screen you want to display and double it (double buffering) to get an idea of how much VRAM you need for a basic framebuffer. More for advanced composting. Well that is 64MB just for basic framebuffer for a 3840x2160 display at 24bpp (you store it as 32 bits for various reasons). Not a problem with a 1GB video card, which is common today but not long ago 256MB was "high end" and as I said, you need more than the minimum to do anything useful, like desktop composition.
4) GPU power. No point in having a nice ultra high rez display if everything has to be rendered low rez because there is insufficient GPU power. You need some heavy hitting hardware (lots of ROPs in particular) to push that many pixels. Even today's high end GPUs would strain to do it on complex things and of course it needs to be useful on more budget GPUs.
Of course after all that there is still the issue of cost. Each sub pixel is a transistor (or two transistors in the case of IPS) and transistors cost money. Quadruple the number of transistors, you are increasing the cost of the panel and the LCD market has been extremely cost sensitive.
So it is coming at some point, but there are technical issues, most of which have only recently been overcome and some which still lurk. You can find 4k monitors on the market, if you like you just don't really want to know what they cost.
Their old 2G and 3G phones don't have sims because they are CDMA not GSM. CDMA doesn't use sim cards so they don't have them, it isn't any hatred thing. LTE however, uses sims. Different kind from GSM but still a sim card. Any LTE phone comes with one. I have a Verizion LTE phone, it has a sim in it and it is user replaceable. I had to swap phones and the procedure was to swap the sim card out.
No, those people work at Foxconn, not Foxcomm.
Not really. The devices are - or at least were, when the first ones came out - resource constrained. On a resource constrained device, you do things to save memory, processing power, etc. Arbitrary scaling consumes memory and processing power, so they eliminated that to make the devices more efficient. The problem is backwards compatibility. If you were to take an app from the original iPhone and put it on a putative new iPhone with, say, 50% more pixels, the icons and other screen elements (many of which are bitmaps, not vector graphics) would be smaller than expected. Since the interface is touch, the size of the elements in absolute measurements (not pixels) is critical, and the user experience would be crap. So Apple has chosen to go with simple doubling, rather than resolution independence, to maintain backwards compatibility and keep the user experience high.
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I have no problems reading whole books (hundreds of pages) in a straight go on an iPhone, or even an iPad.
The retina displays make it much nicer to read...
One key thing for long term reading though is contrast of lighting between the display and the ambient light around you. A book is easy to read because generally the book and the room around you have the same level of illumination.
A screen can be harder on your eyes if it's much brighter. But if the device controls brightness well (which the iPad does) then reading is not too hard on the eyes.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Yet another prediction of Apple's imminent demise by some out-of-touch spec-humper. Yawn, I'm going to take a nap now while my Apple stock appreciates another 20%.
for work? No one in point-of-sale, inventory management? What about all the disabled people who are able to use an iPad as an augmentative communication device?
I think what you meant to say is that *you* don't need a tablet for work, and since you are an obnoxious jerk you couldn't care less about what anybody else needs.
if "Marketing" is the best explanation you have for why hundreds of millions of people are happily using some piece of technology.
Sad, just really pathetic.
either "hate" or "everything"--unless you really plan on intentionally buying something that you hate.
It will be nice someday when I no longer have to listen to insecure geeks who feel like they have to preface every post with "I hate everything about Apple", right before they declare their intention to buy an Apple product.
Arbitrary scaling consumes memory and processing power,
Just about everything you do with a computer "consumes" memory and processing power. Still, scaling or re-flowing a layout isn't exactly a CPU intensive task. One less transition effect per session and I think you'd more than make up the cost! I guarantee that efficiency wasn't a factor when .. deciding what exactly? To encourage developers to target a specific resolution?
The problem is backwards compatibility. If you were to take an app from the original iPhone and put it on a putative new iPhone with, say, 50% more pixels, the icons and other screen elements (many of which are bitmaps, not vector graphics) would be smaller than expected.
Yes, that's why Apple was basically forced to exactly double the horizontal and vertical resolution -- it's the only way to guarantee consistency when automatically scaling everything up.
Since the interface is touch, the size of the elements in absolute measurements (not pixels) is critical
This is basic stuff when it comes to working with arbitrary display sizes/resolutions. IIRC, even as far back as Windows 3.1 sensible developers were working with twips instead of pixels. Again, it's not difficult to make sure that your UI adapts properly -- this is a long-solved problem. You seem to have a decent grasp of the concepts and problems so I'm not sure what your objection is (or even if you're objecting to something I've written)?
I'll be honest with you, I'm really not sure what you're trying to say with your post at all. What is it that you wanted me or other readers to take away from your post?
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That's a little mean considering that I didn't say that no one needs a tablet. Though I will argue that the cases where tablets are essential for work are extraordinarily rare, and likely consist primarily of those who write tablet software and need to test on actual hardware.
That tablets can be useful or helpful for some people in their work or for accessibility reasons is different than saying that they're necessary (a need).
Traditional computers have become, through circumstance, a need for many workers. That is, the only way they can do their job is with a computer. A tablet, no matter how useful, hasn't become a need in that sense at all. Even in the disability case you mention tablets are naively used in place of other established methods and don't bring anything new aside from novelty.
A need would take them from being unable to perform some function required of them to being able to perform said function. A needed device doesn't mean "makes my job easier" it means "I can do my job now when I couldn't before" or "I can't do my job at all without it" if you prefer.
Here's a car related analogy: An auto mechanic needs a set of wrenches. They do not need a set of those new wrenches with the built-in ratchet. One is necessary for them to work, the other just makes their job easier. Do you see the difference?
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"The tablet comes in at 9.4mm and 1.4 pounds, and will be available in black and white. It's 9.5 inches high, 7.31 inches wide, and 0.37 inches deep."
So, a high resolution display, but monochrome. I will get an android tablet with a colour screen, thanks.
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Ok, I hate everything about Apple except the fact that they brought a high-resolution LCD to market. Happy now?
Chances are the phone in your pocket is better than the iPad in your backpack.
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This device, or more accurately, its display, is going to finally convince me to buy into Apple's ecosystem. That 4:3 display, with close-to-paper aspect ratios and 260+ DPI, should finally offer a pleasant experience for viewing multi-column full colour PDFs.
If there was an Android competitor in the offing, I'd wait for it. But I can't find anything other than tech demos from Samsung, which they had no plans to turn into a consumer product. The best competitor appears to be a 1920x1200 tablet, but the widescreen form factor (aka narrowscreen in portrait mode) is nothing like as good for looking at documents.
My last two phones were Androids (HTC Desire, Motorola Atrix), but depending on how the iPad experience turns out, I think my next phone purchase might hop the fence. (I'm sick of buying premium phones that are abandoned by their manufacturers months later... the Atrix hardware is great, but I'm pissed that Motorola isn't going to give it Android 4).
A desktop is not in the "portable" category, so it "does less" than a laptop/tablet in that regard.
That's why I always have a dslr or equivalent close at hand. Not to say I haven't snapped the odd shot on the phone/pad, but the control is so much greater on the dslr that is makes it worth it to pack it everywhere, no question.
They should create an iPad which fits in your pocket!
A laptop is in the "portable' category, but not in the 'mobile' category, such as the iPad. So it "does less" than an iPad in that regard.
Your move. If you insist of using stupid marketing labels, I can play too.
Write boring code, not shiny code!
You're an incredibly huge fucktard.
There are two important differences:
1. I can buy a replacement laptop/phone/other tablet battery off eBay or at the local shop and fit it myself. In fact many of these devices have a quick-release mechanism for the battery so that heavy users can carry a spare.
2. When the device is dead and I need to dispose of it the battery should be separated and put in a recycling bin. This should be easy to do and not require special tools.
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Says the guy who carries his desktop, power cables, keyboard and monitor with him.
120 characters ought to be enough for anyone
The retina display makes the iPad a perfect media consumption device.
Apple's app ecosystem (iLife + iWork + Camera Connection Kit) make the iPad a fitting computing device for 80% of the public.
LTE allows that 80% to not need to buy anything else for their computing needs - no dedicated internet service with associated modems, no WiFi access point, etc.
Five minutes after purchasing an LTE iPad you have a fully functioning broadband internet connected computing device which is all most people need.
I didn't know Blockbuster operated outside the US either....so....
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
consumption
Which makes me think of consumption the disease. Can we get a more precise word in there?
It's not built for content creation though.
And this is where the problem comes. Someone who has already sunk $499 into a viewing-only device and then gets an urge to start creating works is likely to have no money left to buy a device for creating and thus to end up just deciding not to create. That's why I bought a netbook instead of an iPad.
if they buy it because they were deceived
People have been deceived every day since 3760 BC. Someone may be deceived about his or her own future intent, whether he or she is going to want to start creating works within six months. Someone may be deceived about there being "an app for that", unaware that Apple excludes .
they are quickly going to go back to a computer.
If they can afford one while still paying off the iPad. "I just bought you an iPad six months ago, Staisy. You don't need a computer."
The problem comes six months after "an iPad fills all of their computing needs", when they end up finding that "their computing needs" have changed and an iPad no longer fills them, but they have no money for a proper PC.
Watch the announcement video.
Android apps don't flow nicely on large screens. It looks like when you browse to a site meant for a phone on a tablet.
granted you could just have multiple views and flow layouts based on screen resolution, size, DPI, etc. But that sounds like a giant pain in the ass.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
You sound like a fanboi. It's not worth the money.
Your going by release dates, Using your logic then a product doesn't exist before it's released! The playbook was released after the iPad but BEFORE the iPad2, BEFORE Rim even knew that there would be a iPad2 so how can you compare them.
What?!! The iPad 2 (March 11, 2011) was released BEFORE the PlayBook (April 19, 2011). Unless in your world, March follows April, you clearly are confused. As for RIM not knowing when the iPad 2 would be released, that is utter BS. Apple holds very public product launches attended by hordes of media. Unless RIMM lived in a cave without access to Internet, they would have known about it March 2. If they had any clue, they would have guessed Apple would launch it weeks earlier when Apple set up the event and sent out invites.
The Playbook was meant to compete with the iPad NOT the iPad2, NOT the iPad3 etc..... There for to draw the conclusion you compare Apples to Apples and there for you compare the iPad and the Playbook, just like the Playbook2 is meant to compare to the iPad2.
Please. That's your excuse and denial talking. What you are saying is that RIMM or any company wants to be at least a year behind their competitor and targeting a product that their competitor would soon be ending manufacturing. And that company wants to be a year behind all the others in that field.
Rim might of made a few mistakes on release but there very small and really never hindered the tablet, I've used the iPad, iPad2 and Playbook and Playbook 2 and from HOURS and HOURS of testing and comparison, Rim wins all the time. I gave you the comparable stats that are meant to face each other so if you want to try and grab stats from somewhere else we can put them up with each other lets do that.
You have a PlayBook; you find that it works for you. That's great. I don't want to have to buy a fucking Blackberry just to get email. That was a deal breaker for me.
The battery life is the same on listing but the Playbook battery doesn't degrade as fast I know from person use so Apple loses another point.
Opinion is not fact.
The CPU is faster and a better overall architecture in the Playbook so another Apple loss.
Again, opinion is not fact. And you should check your facts. Both use a dual-core Cortex A9.
They don't have a touch interactive frame so another point taken. Okay so the IPad2 takes another fail,
Opinion is not fact. It seems the entire point of your diatribe is you prefer the PlayBook. More power to you. However you seem somewhat threatened that someone who has different needs than you chose differently. This has led to a need to insult another person's choice as if you need to justify your choice. If I was in the market for a tablet, the first negative was no email. RIMM promised it would be ready "summer 2011". That passed. Then the rumor was winter. Finally early Spring, the patch was released. As a potential customer it does not give me confidence.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
There is something called "normalization" that occurs in analysis to perform a fair comparison. That's why car magazines compares vehicles in the same class together. They never compare a Mercedes E class sedan to a Toyota minivan. If that's not clear let me demonstrate a fair comparison:
Motorola Xoom (10.1 1280x 800) has higher DPI than the iPad: fair
Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 (1280 x 800) has higher DPI than the iPad: fair
Samsung Galaxy Tab (7" 1024 x 600) has higher DPI than an iPad: not fair.
If this isn't clear, then there's no hope.
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You have a PlayBook. If it works for you then go with it. You also seem to ignore that people without a fucking Blackberry are completely turned off by the need to buy one to get email on a $500 smart phone "accessory" that costs more than they paid for their smart phone. Why is that so hard for you to understand. The rest of your post is a rant about how much you like the interface. Again good for you. But you seem completely unhinged that someone does not like the interface as much as you.
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It's much easier than you think.
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Whatever makes you feel better.
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What? How do you mean "unhinged"? It's pretty clear that you're not familiar with the UI -- or any other aspect of the tablet at all. All I suggested was that you try it out before you pass judgement.
As for needing a BlackBerry to make full use of the PlayBook, that's just completely not true.
All I did was answer your questions -- that the facts don't match your faulty assumptions isn't my fault. Get over yourself.
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Given all the people I've talked to who bought a DSLR because their friends did (status symbol), and then promptly left it in a closet after 6 months, I'd say there are a lot of them. "Serious cash" to some people is not "serious cash" to others.
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Technically? Sure.
But the creative side? Making sure that the UI flows correctly and maintains cohesion with the smaller screens?
That's a non-trivial task.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
Lots of disabled folks can't afford $5000 for an augmentative communication device but can afford $500 for an iPad.
But that's irrelevant. It doesn't matter if some other device could theoretically do roughly the same job, if a tablet does that job better for that person then I don't see why anyone should feel like an indulgent elitist prick for buying one--which is exactly what you are implying.
Basically, you don't like iPads because someone who wears nicer shoes than you likes their iPad. It's pathetic, transparent, and boring.
I guess that depends on the developer. I've never had any trouble with it.
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It's part of basic analysis. Anyone who has a clue of data analysis understands this. Apparently you did not.
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It's completely clear that you can't stand it when someone doesn't like the PlayBook. Again, if it suits your needs, have a blast. Not everyone shares your opinion.
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LOL! Please, get over yourself! This is so damn sad and pathetic! We're comparing two tablets, for goodness sakes. You seem to think that 7" vs 10" is a massive difference that put them in two totally different classes. I clearly disagree. Now consider that we're talking about specs, and that we're *already* comparing the two tablets! You decided that this particular spec isn't comparable (based on what?) and then call this a "part of basic analysis". You're seriously stretching in an effort to make sure that no spec is actually higher in the tablet you dislike. You dismissed the RAM spec and you seem desperate to dismiss the DPI spec.
So, tell me, what range of sizes are comparable in your mind? Do those apply equally across all devices, or just tablets? what about 13" compared to 10"? Is that okay? What about 7" and 8" ? How about 8" and 10"
I'm willing to bet that you don't have any objective criteria and that you're just making shit up as you go along.
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Is it? It seems to me that you're not qualified to comment on the topic at all, never having used the product. Your second-hand understand is, as I've pointed out, terribly flawed. Your beliefs don't match the facts. Your opinions, based on faulty beliefs, aren't grounded in reality.
Remember: Opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it.
All I've asked is that you check it out. I've even said that even if you choose to bash it after giving it a try, at least you'd have some basis for your opinion.
If my rationality conflicts with your preconceptions, that's your problem, not mine.
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If you are using a metric affected by size, you should try to normalize the size by comparing things of similar class for that metric to have any meaning. Of course this aspect of critical thinking seems completely lost on you. By your logic, an iPod Touch is just a really small tablet; it destroys the iPad and the PlayBook and every tablet out there in terms of DPI. No metrics need to have any context according to you. A subcompact car should have all the same characteristics as a full size car. A laptop CPU should have the same performance as a serve CPU. That is the basis of your logic? If you ever looked at any real comparisons of cars in any car magazine, they group them in classes. If you looked at any comparison of laptops by manufacturer they group them by size. Have you noticed a trend here or has all of this escaped your attention?
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Which facts were not true from the beginning? PlayBook did not have native email or that it took them a year to get it. All you really had is you liked the PlayBook better. That isn't your rationality. That's your lack of acceptance that not everyone has your needs. But that's what you are sticking with.
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> You may be more likely to have your e-reader (iPad) on hand than your non-working phone.
Why would your phone be non-working? Are you stipulating that you go to take a photo with your 4s, and oops, the phone is busted? Or, I don't have an iPhone, so it could be that this escapes me, but are you saying that the iPhone will not take pictures unless it has service? And the iPad will?
I still don't see the scenario where this would make sense.
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That would be a rather bulky and heavy tablet. This is why Steve Jobs never did market research.
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Okay, so you DON'T have any objective criteria then for classifying tablets by size.
That figures. I didn't think you put any thought in to it at all.
Like I said before, whatever makes you feel better.
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Name one company that beat Apple to market with a better first-gen tablet. Degree of difficulty: How did it actually sell if it was so good?
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the big difference being that Apple screws developers more than users.
Total bullshit. Apple has paid developers billions they would not have made otherwise. Apple doesn't even make money on the App Store.
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Which facts were not true from the beginning?
This has already been addressed. Of course, you don't care about facts that don't fit your completely uninformed preconceptions.
PlayBook did not have native email
Again, a native email client was just a download away from day one.
As I've also pointed out, Bridge was not a stopgap (it took more effort to create than a vanilla mail client) -- it was how it was intended to work. That you disagree with what the company stated officially is entirely your problem. Was it promised? Yes, but only after they took an undeserved beating in the press.
You know what's funny? My computer didn't come with a "native" email client, but no one claimed that it was missing features!
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Have you been alive the last year when tablets came out? They are categorized by size, OS, and manufacturer. There are 10" tablets, 7" tablets, even 5" ones. Everyone seems to classify them as such but you. It seems something as simple as classifying things into readily identifiable groupings is hard for you to grasp.
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So if it was intended of that was how it was supposed to work, why the hell did RIMM promise to fix it by summer 2011. Then by Spring 2012? That destroys your logic doesn't it.
As for email, every tablet before it had email. That destroys your logic again.
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It's not that their categorized, it's how their categorized -- more specifically, it's how their categorized in such a way that you think DPI is incomparable between the two.
You also don't seem to understand that there are often more than one way to group or categorize things and that different items will be in the same or different groups depending on the criteria you use to categorize things.
So, again, I ask -- what criteria do YOU use to determine if DPI is comparable between two variously sized displays?
I think that the answer is "nothing" because you're just making this up as you go along. If not, feel free to tell me if 9" display is comparable to a 10" display and why it is or is not comparable. Then apply that same criteria to a 7" and 8.5" display and then to an 8.5" display and a 10" display.
Is it merely the diagonal size or does the aspect ratio also factor in to your alleged criteria?
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Nobody who was holding off on buying an ipad was doing so because the screen resolution wasn't high enough or their wasn't enough processors.
No. They promised to add native functions only AFTER they were lambasted in the press. They did not initially promise said app.
I've already explained this to you. I guess when facts don't fit into your preconceptions, you just ignore them?
By your "everyone else had it" criteria then, was the iPhone "incomplete" because it lacked features that every other smartphone had (such as copy/paste, apps, MMS)?
Is the current iPad incomplete because it lacks features that all the other major tablets have?
Again, the PlayBook had ALL of the features from day one that you claim it didn't have. (Email contacts and calendar.) Just because you didn't like how they implemented them doesn't change that fact. Again, if you wanted a native email app, it was just a download away on day one. Are you upset that RIM didn't pre-install it? You're REALLY stretching here.
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No indeed. But different people buy in at different points of the technology adoption cycle. From early adopters to laggards. There's two pints to consider:
1) For those that don't care about resolution or having the latest thing, the price of the existing base model iPad2 has just reduced by $100. Reducing prices is one of those things that brings in more adopters.
2) As people do adopt tablets, Apple wants them to buy iPads rather than a competitor. And that requires periodic updates to keep ahead. With the doubling of resolution, iPad is now way ahead of competitors and will be for some time.
As I've also pointed out, Bridge was not a stopgap (it took more effort to create than a vanilla mail client) -- it was how it was intended to work.
Okay, so let's grant that RIM actually thought this Bridge stupidity was a better approach than including a full native email client, dramatically reducing the Playbook's desirability to anyone who didn't have a Blackberry. Just one thing, then -- Remind me why anybody should buy something from a company so clearly bereft of competent leadership?
You know what's funny? My computer didn't come with a "native" email client, but no one claimed that it was missing features!
You know what's funny? That you didn't notice the bar for minimum tablet functionality was set by Apple, the market leader. One reason they walked away with so much of the market is that from day 1 of the iPad, you've been able to pull an iPad out of the box, spend 10 minutes setting it up, and blam, you've got an awesome web browser and email machine. Web and email are the two killer Internet applications, so that right there answers a lot of people's questions about "Why do I want to buy this?".
If you bought a Playbook, though, NO SOUP FOR YOU. The official answer was that you had to buy another device. And a service contract. And use BB email, rather than your existing mail account.
Really, it's been quite comical watching you and your fellow troll try to defend RIM. They screwed up the Playbook in almost every conceivable way other than the hardware, which by all accounts is reasonably good. The problem is, hardware alone doesn't sell the tablet...
Since when? Laptops (notebook form factor PC's) have had all the features of desktops since the early 90's.
Well, actually they do have one hugely annoying thing missing compared to desktops: you can't easily update system components (like the MB or video card, etc.)
If this were a discussion about an Android device like the Transformer, the Apple fanbois would all be mocking anyone dumb enough to want to carry around a huge tablet to take pictures with, just like they mocked voice controls before Siri. "Who would want to be seen talking to their PHONE?"
Yeah, all those Apple fanbois making fun of iPhone users since June 2009. And then they had to wait a year so they could make fun of Fandroids.
Fandroids hate facts.
Glad to see this finally announced/released and while I'd love to exchange for my iPad2, I don't see a compelling reason to upgrade. Without Steve Jobs doing the dramatics, watching the Live Blog was almost as exciting as Watching Grass Grow.
Yeah, this will be a failure just like the last product Cook tried to sell. What was it called again?
Fandroids hate facts.
I'm saying that in a scenario where your phone does not have service, you're less likely to keep it on you.
Anyone know of a non-capacitive glove other than this one? I want to be able to rest my hand on the tablet. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/josephbell/the-hand-glider
No. They promised to add native functions only AFTER they were lambasted in the press. They did not initially promise said app.
Please, you are in serious denial. Googling the initial PlayBook reviews from before it was launched is pretty easy to do. All of them including this one from Wired on April 13, 2011 says "If you don’t have a BlackBerry phone, you’re out of luck until summer, when RIM says a future software update will bring native clients to the PlayBook." April 13. That is a week before it went on sale meaning Wired had to have a loaner one for their review. Which means that it was RIMM's plan all along to have email but it wasn't ready by launch.
By your "everyone else had it" criteria then, was the iPhone "incomplete" because it lacked features that every other smartphone had (such as copy/paste, apps, MMS)?
Please. That one has been done to death. Not having email as a major part of functionality is nowhere in the same league as not having cut and paste. Also you seem to forget that RIMM promised to have it "summer 2011" but it wasn't until 2012 that they fulfilled that promise. I don't remember Apple ever saying that they would release cut and paste when the iPhone came out.
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You also don't seem to understand that there are often more than one way to group or categorize things and that different items will be in the same or different groups depending on the criteria you use to categorize things.
You seem to lack common sense when it comes to categories. Size is a major category when it comes to computers and tablets and cars.
So, again, I ask -- what criteria do YOU use to determine if DPI is comparable between two variously sized displays?
And I keep telling you a metric affected by size should be normalized when comparing things of two different sizes. Otherwise the comparison is somewhat meaningless. It's why you don't compare battery size between a 7" tablet and a 10" tablet because the 10" one will always have a bigger battery. The metric that is most important is battery life.
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"Nothing compelling to upgrade for me..."
I'd have to see that screen first. It might be quite compelling...
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This guy has a nice review for the new iPad. http://creativefisher.blogspot.com/2012/03/ipad-3-kahaani-and-corruption.html