First off I doubt you've ever heard Schlong's PunkSide Story.
2nd Opera, etc is pompus BS. Speaking as the brother of an opera singer, Opera is for rich people to show off how "cultural" they are, and none of them gives a shit about the actual music, story, etc. It is all about "see and being seen", except maybe for 2 or 3 of the actors/singers in the show. Besides almost all that epic storeytelling has the depth of a Brothers Grimm/Disney fairytail.
Get bent. Why not come up with a wacky technological history and become a kind of BountyHunter for patents. Then go IPO, god knows every IPO is worthwhile and is never badly executed or is inefficient. Besides CEO-only hottubs are so cool.
Nothing Herr Jobs "invented" was not already present in the wonderful implementation of Xenix on TRS-80 model 12 and 16 hardware. Simply fantastic, just because people are too snooty to go down to Radio Shack to by their corporate systems, did Xenix slowly perish. Otherwise you linux script-kiddies would all be Xenix JCL-kiddies and the Zilog Corporation would currently be rulling the entire known world. And I would be sitting fat on all my Zilog Stock, you bastards!!!!!!!
The only this worse than NAZIs are Frenchmen. If they don't fucking like what is on the internet then let those fucking frogs cut their link to the outside world. Who needs them?
Why not just make a screen-scraper type proggie that detects and automatically generates a mouse click on every "ok" button that pops up in a dialog box? Nifty, and cool.
How do you enforce a law making it illegal to commit suicide?
Simply! By making such a terrible and henious crime into a capital offense. What about the children!? We simply cannot allow such a bad example to continue!
or just statically compile them, ban the lib!!!! down with/usr/lib. # find / -name "*.so" -exec rm {} \;
Make the prog, no matter how big, to be just one file, put it in/usr/bin and give them one/etc/(progname).conf to config it. Sure, that'll work. That would simplify installing Xfree. We could even call it xfree.exe. And erase all those wacky/dev/ files, just make one file, let me see we could call it sys.config or something similarly wacky, that would list all of the devices and their drivers, cool!!!!
Installing from source would not really break your system. If you say compiled the latest mozilla source, and did not install it in/usr/local (the ideal place for non-package managed software) THEN you decided to say install a netscape or mozilla deb, then you might have some problems, but then anyone who doesn't realize that should not be installing software, just using it.
The hard part about that suggestion is to get the developer to document all of the potential problems in such a ports/autoconf/make system. Most RPMs and debs are made by maintainers, not the original developer, so someone else is cleaning up after the coders. Plus how much data must be maintained? When you multiply the number of packages, by the number of libs, by the number of distro's by the number of hardware platforms, by the kernel versions, by etc etc.... ... . it could get pretty thick. O(n^n) or something close...
If you think a prog will work without the demanded lib, you can always do a "forced" install, and try it out. Nothing except fear to keep you from giving it a whirl....
Yeah, like me and all my cool linux friends are totally like laughing at you and what not!;)
What you need is a recent cheapbytes debian cd and some cool t-shirts, six-pack of jolt + a bottle of voka, then you can join in the fun! Driving around, looking for BSDer's and yelling crap at them, "you call that liscense free!!!" "microsoft could take yer code, and sell it!!" "you smell funny!" "Cut your hair, the early 90's sixties revivial ended last century!!!" etc and then burning tread, peeling away as the cops whip it around with the lights flashing... ah to be linux and young..........
Fine, but don't put cocksucker-marketing dorks looking to fill this market in charge of my linux. That will be the death of it. Debian GNU/Linux, in particular is quite fine as it is. Let corel or someone else do the luser-related tweaking, and simplification stuff, just make that a schmeer on top, one that I can always wipe off when it gets in my way. What I want is a real server OS (that is not BSD licensed, sorry no flames meant, its just the truth), that you can make into a desktop, if you want.
Then don't do the "install everything" install. I use dselect to get exactly what I need. For a server that means less than 70megs installed, for a gnome desktop there is more, but if you take a little time to pick and choose, it is still quite reasonable.
Although I won't discourage you from using tar and compiling source, it's a good skill, but if you've got the time for it, then I say good luck to you. I just don't like admining boxen that I have little idea what is installed, and precious few tools to find out, mainly cd and ls.
The old libaries are often from non-free binary-only progs, that can't be recompiled anyway, no ones got the source or is allowed to re-distribute it, etc.
I don't quite get by what you mean "depend conflicts", unless you're trying to get 2.2 installed in under 50megs, which is a bit hard, because debian wants to install a semi-full system, internationalization support, nurses, a large terminal db, dpkg, plus things like debconf, which is debatable. In that case there is at least 1 debian derrivative meant for the embeded market.
it is a listing of all the software in unstable (woody) its a very simple listing of the programs, but the html file is over 550k, half a meg just to list the names and a 7 or 8 word description of all the damn software!! with roughly 10849 lines of text. Each proggy gets 2 lines so we're talking over 5000 programs all for fucking free, in both senses.
Frozen which is days away from being stable & released, has about 4415 such progs, so check facts before you slag.
Of course that ignores the fact that debian is not the only source of debs, the actual count is even bigger.
Maybe straight debian will never be the linux the majority of newbies or non-technical people install, but then that's what the debian derrivatives are for: Stormix, Corel, libranet, ad naseum. For shits and giggles I installed corel once, and you don't need to know a damn thing to get it completely running. The only thing you might need help with is sound, but otherwise it installs itself, assuming you can manage clicking an "ok" button a dozen or so times.
hurd is fairly usable now, I've got it on a spare machine. I don't really have enough time for it, but I run through installs, etc to help test it bit. check the hurd mailing list sometime. http://lists.debian.org/debian-hurd-0008/threads.h tml
I think their release cycle is faster than winblows 2000 anyway. Search slashdot, and you can find a link to a hurd webserver, the story is like 8 months or older.
Gee, Thanks King Knowledge! I'll go away ashamed of having wasted my life as punk. Fuck you, why don't you go negate the existence of someone who might actually buy your line of shit. That you would even consider the sex pistols as being anything other than a prentenious joke to sell the clothes of Maclaren shows how little of punk you know.
Yeah, basically. Why does the windows GUI lack network transparency? Because when it was written, current pc's had less than 2meg of ram, to upgrade from dos to windows a lot of people had to buy their very first harddrive. While in those days X/unix was built on much more powerful vax, sparc, etc systems. Even cruddy 386 unix systems (I've got 2 rusty AST/Tandem 386's with VME boards in the closet, they're basically the same as the dos boxes of the time, but had more ram, and bigger drives, and other expensive stuff in them) cost thousands of bucks more than crap 486SX-16 with vga. So all the geeks bought what the could afford and unix was regulated to huge companys and universities, while Gates became the richest human on the planet selling (affordable, semi-usable) crap.
Hell, at that time almost hardly anyone networked pc's. Windows didn't even include the software to do ether at all, let alone telnet or ftp clients.
I've got several vaxen and old sparcs. I've got a IPX with 16meg of ram that runs debian 2.2 quite nicely, even with X. Some of the vaxen I've got have less than 2meg RAM (no sims either just chips in sockets on the mobo), so modern PDA's totaly blow them out of the water, and could easily run their software (CPU-cycle-wise I mean), which even in 1987 could do some cool shit. Load them up with a lean, slightly optimized linux, and watch the magic.
So when I'm in my office, I can plug it into an etherport and run the PDA apps on my 21" monitor, and use a full keyboard/mouse, that's why.
Or I could run a remote X app on my PDA, with wireless ether you could config your servers from a friken airplane.
IE the (standard) cool shit unix/linux/X gives you in the first place, why hell would you want to lose that especially when PDA's come into play in a places like airplanes, siberia or where ever you can't/ don't want to carry 15lbs of laptop or 100lbs of desktop. Bring up a wireless connection, and your whole corporate network is at your disposal.
only only problem with CLI's is whether or not there is an easily found way of discovering the commands, and their syntax. The idea of a GUI is to give some hints about how to do things, by building on real world models. But GUIs are cumbersome, and often just badly designed. If you do not know mv is a command to move a file from one location or name to another, then exactly how are you supposed to find out? DOS had nothing, and neither did most early OSes. Unix has man and info, which are good, but are geared towards helping experts remember the exact syntax of commands, etc. Particularly since you need to know ahead of time what the command man does, and the name of the command you're interested in. How-to's are helpful for newbies, and it might be a good thing to incoprorate them into man and info. A nice touch for a CLI would be a "help" command that tells you how to run man and info, that/usr/share/doc exists, how to use less, and mentions the use man -k and maybe a few basic commands. It would be a rather small thing, that would be a great help to somone looking at a CLI for the first time, to get a nice little message, along the lines of, "hello, how are you, here is how you get things done around here. Goodluck."
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First off I doubt you've ever heard Schlong's PunkSide Story.
2nd Opera, etc is pompus BS. Speaking as the brother of an opera singer, Opera is for rich people to show off how "cultural" they are, and none of them gives a shit about the actual music, story, etc. It is all about "see and being seen", except maybe for 2 or 3 of the actors/singers in the show. Besides almost all that epic storeytelling has the depth of a Brothers Grimm/Disney fairytail.
13 million varieties of cheese-dicks! Down with the french, deport them to algeria, then they'll get what they deserve!!!
Get bent. Why not come up with a wacky technological history and become a kind of BountyHunter for patents. Then go IPO, god knows every IPO is worthwhile and is never badly executed or is inefficient. Besides CEO-only hottubs are so cool.
15bucks at ebay.
Wooo hooo!!!!
P.S. fag letter counting script wont let me put in enough o's to properly express my self about Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 going stable!!!!
Nothing Herr Jobs "invented" was not already present in the wonderful implementation of Xenix on TRS-80 model 12 and 16 hardware. Simply fantastic, just because people are too snooty to go down to Radio Shack to by their corporate systems, did Xenix slowly perish. Otherwise you linux script-kiddies would all be Xenix JCL-kiddies and the Zilog Corporation would currently be rulling the entire known world. And I would be sitting fat on all my Zilog Stock, you bastards!!!!!!!
The only this worse than NAZIs are Frenchmen. If they don't fucking like what is on the internet then let those fucking frogs cut their link to the outside world. Who needs them?
What kind of moron thinks that a kid seeing a titty will be the cause of anything?
Why not just make a screen-scraper type proggie that detects and automatically generates a mouse click on every "ok" button that pops up in a dialog box? Nifty, and cool.
How do you enforce a law making it illegal to commit suicide?
Simply! By making such a terrible and henious crime into a capital offense. What about the children!? We simply cannot allow such a bad example to continue!
or just statically compile them, ban the lib!!!! down with /usr/lib. # find / -name "*.so" -exec rm {} \;
/usr/bin and give them one /etc/(progname).conf to config it. Sure, that'll work. That would simplify installing Xfree. We could even call it xfree.exe. And erase all those wacky /dev/ files, just make one file, let me see we could call it sys.config or something similarly wacky, that would list all of the devices and their drivers, cool!!!!
/dev/hda just:
Make the prog, no matter how big, to be just one file, put it in
no more
device:=hdC:/
device:=hdD:/usr/bin
device:=mouse:/bin/gpm
MSDEX:=hdE:/bin/atapi.exe
cool, I think I'm on-to something here, I'll work on it and get back to everyone real soon.
Installing from source would not really break your system. If you say compiled the latest mozilla source, and did not install it in /usr/local (the ideal place for non-package managed software) THEN you decided to say install a netscape or mozilla deb, then you might have some problems, but then anyone who doesn't realize that should not be installing software, just using it.
.. . .. . it could get pretty thick. O(n^n) or something close...
The hard part about that suggestion is to get the developer to document all of the potential problems in such a ports/autoconf/make system. Most RPMs and debs are made by maintainers, not the original developer, so someone else is cleaning up after the coders. Plus how much data must be maintained? When you multiply the number of packages, by the number of libs, by the number of distro's by the number of hardware platforms, by the kernel versions, by etc etc..
If you think a prog will work without the demanded lib, you can always do a "forced" install, and try it out. Nothing except fear to keep you from giving it a whirl....
Yeah, like me and all my cool linux friends are totally like laughing at you and what not! ;)
What you need is a recent cheapbytes debian cd and some cool t-shirts, six-pack of jolt + a bottle of voka, then you can join in the fun! Driving around, looking for BSDer's and yelling crap at them, "you call that liscense free!!!" "microsoft could take yer code, and sell it!!" "you smell funny!" "Cut your hair, the early 90's sixties revivial ended last century!!!" etc and then burning tread, peeling away as the cops whip it around with the lights flashing... ah to be linux and young..........
Fine, but don't put cocksucker-marketing dorks looking to fill this market in charge of my linux. That will be the death of it. Debian GNU/Linux, in particular is quite fine as it is. Let corel or someone else do the luser-related tweaking, and simplification stuff, just make that a schmeer on top, one that I can always wipe off when it gets in my way. What I want is a real server OS (that is not BSD licensed, sorry no flames meant, its just the truth), that you can make into a desktop, if you want.
Then don't do the "install everything" install. I use dselect to get exactly what I need. For a server that means less than 70megs installed, for a gnome desktop there is more, but if you take a little time to pick and choose, it is still quite reasonable.
Although I won't discourage you from using tar and compiling source, it's a good skill, but if you've got the time for it, then I say good luck to you. I just don't like admining boxen that I have little idea what is installed, and precious few tools to find out, mainly cd and ls.
The old libaries are often from non-free binary-only progs, that can't be recompiled anyway, no ones got the source or is allowed to re-distribute it, etc.
I don't quite get by what you mean "depend conflicts", unless you're trying to get 2.2 installed in under 50megs, which is a bit hard, because debian wants to install a semi-full system, internationalization support, nurses, a large terminal db, dpkg, plus things like debconf, which is debatable. In that case there is at least 1 debian derrivative meant for the embeded market.
Even better, install linux, debian gnu/linux that is!
ftp ftp.debian.org, and you can puruse the programs themselves, or try:
a ges.html
http://www.debian.org/Packages/unstable/allpack
it is a listing of all the software in unstable (woody) its a very simple listing of the programs, but the html file is over 550k, half a meg just to list the names and a 7 or 8 word description of all the damn software!! with roughly 10849 lines of text. Each proggy gets 2 lines so we're talking over 5000 programs all for fucking free, in both senses.
Frozen which is days away from being stable & released, has about 4415 such progs, so check facts before you slag.
Of course that ignores the fact that debian is not the only source of debs, the actual count is even bigger.
Maybe straight debian will never be the linux the majority of newbies or non-technical people install, but then that's what the debian derrivatives are for: Stormix, Corel, libranet, ad naseum. For shits and giggles I installed corel once, and you don't need to know a damn thing to get it completely running. The only thing you might need help with is sound, but otherwise it installs itself, assuming you can manage clicking an "ok" button a dozen or so times.
hurd is fairly usable now, I've got it on a spare machine. I don't really have enough time for it, but I run through installs, etc to help test it bit. check the hurd mailing list sometime. http://lists.debian.org/debian-hurd-0008/threads.h tml
I think their release cycle is faster than winblows 2000 anyway. Search slashdot, and you can find a link to a hurd webserver, the story is like 8 months or older.
deb meta packages!
good, lose some of that weight chubby! BTW, .deb's are far better! Get a grip, get a life, get a deb.
Gee, Thanks King Knowledge! I'll go away ashamed of having wasted my life as punk. Fuck you, why don't you go negate the existence of someone who might actually buy your line of shit. That you would even consider the sex pistols as being anything other than a prentenious joke to sell the clothes of Maclaren shows how little of punk you know.
Yeah, basically. Why does the windows GUI lack network transparency? Because when it was written, current pc's had less than 2meg of ram, to upgrade from dos to windows a lot of people had to buy their very first harddrive. While in those days X/unix was built on much more powerful vax, sparc, etc systems. Even cruddy 386 unix systems (I've got 2 rusty AST/Tandem 386's with VME boards in the closet, they're basically the same as the dos boxes of the time, but had more ram, and bigger drives, and other expensive stuff in them) cost thousands of bucks more than crap 486SX-16 with vga. So all the geeks bought what the could afford and unix was regulated to huge companys and universities, while Gates became the richest human on the planet selling (affordable, semi-usable) crap.
Hell, at that time almost hardly anyone networked pc's. Windows didn't even include the software to do ether at all, let alone telnet or ftp clients.
I've got several vaxen and old sparcs. I've got a IPX with 16meg of ram that runs debian 2.2 quite nicely, even with X. Some of the vaxen I've got have less than 2meg RAM (no sims either just chips in sockets on the mobo), so modern PDA's totaly blow them out of the water, and could easily run their software (CPU-cycle-wise I mean), which even in 1987 could do some cool shit. Load them up with a lean, slightly optimized linux, and watch the magic.
So when I'm in my office, I can plug it into an etherport and run the PDA apps on my 21" monitor, and use a full keyboard/mouse, that's why.
Or I could run a remote X app on my PDA, with wireless ether you could config your servers from a friken airplane.
IE the (standard) cool shit unix/linux/X gives you in the first place, why hell would you want to lose that especially when PDA's come into play in a places like airplanes, siberia or where ever you can't/ don't want to carry 15lbs of laptop or 100lbs of desktop. Bring up a wireless connection, and your whole corporate network is at your disposal.
only only problem with CLI's is whether or not there is an easily found way of discovering the commands, and their syntax. The idea of a GUI is to give some hints about how to do things, by building on real world models. But GUIs are cumbersome, and often just badly designed. If you do not know mv is a command to move a file from one location or name to another, then exactly how are you supposed to find out? DOS had nothing, and neither did most early OSes. Unix has man and info, which are good, but are geared towards helping experts remember the exact syntax of commands, etc. Particularly since you need to know ahead of time what the command man does, and the name of the command you're interested in. How-to's are helpful for newbies, and it might be a good thing to incoprorate them into man and info. A nice touch for a CLI would be a "help" command that tells you how to run man and info, that /usr/share/doc exists, how to use less, and mentions the use man -k and maybe a few basic commands. It would be a rather small thing, that would be a great help to somone looking at a CLI for the first time, to get a nice little message, along the lines of, "hello, how are you, here is how you get things done around here. Goodluck."
Lucky them, openwindows was/is terrible. It is so bad, CDE is a vast improvement.